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TABLE DES MATI~RES Vol. Page Causes: 500-05-009755-883 C.s.M. 500-05-009760-883 C.s.M. October 25th, 1988 EXAMINATION ON AFFIDAVIT OF NEIL E. COLLISHAW NElL E. COLLISHAW Examination by Me Irving III 164 Cross-examination by Me Bienvenu III 184 Cross-examination by Me Baker IiI 189 Cause: 500-05-009755-883 C.s.M. April 12th, 1989 EXAMINATION FOR DISCOVERY AFTER CONTESTATION OF NEIL E. COLLIS~LhW NElL E. COLLISHAW Cross-examinatin by Me Irving III 192 Cross-examination by Me Cherniak III 268 April 13th, 1989 EXAMINATION FOR DISCOVERY AFTER CONTESTATION OF NEIL E. COLLISHA~ (CONT'D) NElL E. COLLISHAW (Cont'd) Cross-examination by Me Cherniak III 296

164 NEIL COLLISHAW (for the Applicant) Examination by Me Irving i0 2O CAUSES: 500-05-009755-883 C.s.M. 500-05-009760-883 C.s.M. October 25th, 1988 APPEARANCES: MAITRE COLIN J. IRVING (Attorney for Reynolds Tobacco) MAITRE ROGER BAKER (Attorney for the Attorney General of Canada) MAITRE PIERRE BIENVENU (Attorney for Imperial Tobacco Limited) 3O 4O EXAMINATION ON AFFIDAVIT OF NEIL COLLISHAW AS APPEARED: MISTER NEIL COLLISHAW Forty-one (41) years of age, Sociologist, residing at 134 Caroline Avenue, Ottawa, Ontario, WHO, after having been duly sworn in, doth depose and say as follows:- EXAMINATION BY Me COLIN K. IRVING (ATTORNEY FOR REYNOLDS TOBACCO): Q. Mr. Collishaw, I think the record should show that at the request of your counsel I'm going to ask you questions in English although the affidavit you wrote is in French. A. Fine. Q. Do you have the affidavit in f~ont of you? A. Yes, I do.

165 NEIL COLLISHAW (for the Applicant) Examination by Me Irving i0 2O 3O 4O Q. Who wrote it? A. It was written largely by one of my lawyers. Although I read French and I speak French quite fluently, it's just that I preferred to work in English. Q. Now, you say in Paragraph 2 of the affidavit that you were responsible for the.., let us call it Bill C-51. A. Yes. Insofar as the work of civil servants is involved in the preparation of the Bill, I had the subject matter responsibility in the Department of Health and Welfare. Q. That goes back quite a long way I think, doesn't it? A. Yes. Well, all matters pertaining to legis- lation and similar subjects that fall within the responsi- bilities of the tobacco products... I'm Chief of the Tobacco Products and the Tobacco Products Unit is responsible for subject matter questions concerning legislative matters concerning Tobacco, and as such, I've been involved with the preparation of the Tobacco Products Control Ac~. Q. Which is what I referred to as... A. As Bill C-51. Q. And I suggest for convenience we just refer to Bill C-51, if that's all right, Mr. Collishaw. A. All right, if you wish. Q. Simply for the purpose of the Examination. Now, since Bill C-51 has been passed, what responsibilities have you had? A. Again, the responsibilities have pertained to implementation of the legislation. I've been involved in consulting with my colleagues about regulations to be developed under the Bill, I've been involved with the Department of Justice in preparing responses to the legal actions that have been brought against the Bill, and making plans for administration of the Bill generally. Q. You say in conjunction with the Department of Justice. Is it your evidence that somebody in the Justice Department in Ottawa is also responsible with you for the preparation of the cases now pending in Court? A. I'm sure you know that in the public service many people get involved in things like the preparation of legislation and the preparation of defenses, of challenges

166 NEIL COLLISHAW (for the Applicant) Examination by Me Irving i0 2O 3O 4O to legislation, and sure, all the lawyers in the Federal Government work in the Department of Justice, so it's natural that they would be involved. Q. Let me preface my question by saying: When I read your affidavit it appears that you are solely responsible for finding witnesses and so on. My question is: Are there not members of the Department of Justice in Ottawa as well who are working on the defense to the Court challenges against Bill C-517 A. I believe there is one member of the Department of Justice in Ottawa working on defense, yes. Q. And has that person been working on it from the outset as far as you know? A. Well, it's difficult to know where the outset is. There have been three challenges filed. To which one are you referring? Q. Let's start with the first one. A. Okay. Q. The statement of claim in the Rothmans action was, in fact, served on July 20th... A. Yes. Q .... 1988. When were you made aware of that? A. At that time I was on holidays and I heard it on radio, read it in the newspaper while I was at my cottage. Q. I see. When did you return from holidays? A. It would have been the first week of August. Q. Now, as far as you know, are there individuals in the Department of Justice who are also working on that case in preparing evidence to support the Government's position? BY MAITRE ROGER BAKER: I wonder what the relevance of the Department of Justice lawyers working on the Rothmans case is to the case presently before the Quebec Courts. BY MAITRE IRVING: I thought it was obvious. I simply want to know if Mr. Collishaw knows who in the Department of

167 NEIL COLLISHAW (for the Applicant Examination by Me Irving i0 2O 3O 4O Justice has been involved in getting evidence together to meet the challenge launched first by Rothmans -- if he knows. BY MAITRE BAKER: Well, perhaps you should ask Mr. Collishaw, given that he's testifying on his own affidavit and the affidavit does say certain things, Mr. Irving, test the veracity of the affidavit on what he has done, not what members of the Department of Justice have done in terms of evidence gathering. BY MAITRE IRVING: Well, I want to know whether people in the Department of Justice are also working on the matter. If you're going to direct the witness not to answer, Mr. Baker, go ahead. I think it is entirely relevant. BY MAITRE BAKER: You haven't indicated that it's relevant or what the relevancy is. BY MAITRE IRVING: I think I have. I've said that this affidavit... in reading the affidavit, it's not clear that anyone, other than Mr. Collishaw, has the responsibility of finding witnesses, preparing evidence and, generally, preparing for a defense of Bill C-51. My question is: Is it not true that there are people in the Department of Justice, apart from Mr. Collishaw who is in Health and Welfare, who have been working since -- for the moment I ask -- who have been working since July 20th of 1988 on this very issue. If Mr. Collishaw doesn't know, he can saw he doesn't know. BY MAITRE BAKER: But, Mr. Irving, you have asked really two questions in one. Are you talking about exclusively