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Minutes. First Meeting of the National Commission on Smoking and Public Policy.
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Place: The Ualdorf-Astoria
,vew York, P'ew Yor.k--
Meeting: TuFsday, February 1, 1977
First :leeting of the ratio;ial Conmission on Smol::in~, and 1'uhlic Policy
Co-nraission :.embers Present
David t,;altimore, Ph. D.
Dr. I)enn=s Chamot
:terlin K. DuVal, M:D.
Charles E. Eberso).
Dr. Rcbert Y.ol.ley
Alice S. Huang, Ph.D.
Tirs. Robert W. Huff
Allan K. Jonas
George Kneeland
Baldwin Maull
J. QutKg Newton
C-Ornelius W. (T.aens
Mrs. Marlin Perkins
11. Marvin Pollard, `I.D.
Harvey C. Russell
Robert Shank, M.D.
Scott Simonds, Dr. P.R.
Mrs. Marietta Tree
Kerr White, M.1).
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Coc ;nis:iion Members Excused
Benjamin F. Byrd, Jr., M.D.
:Iarshali Evans
Phili p Lea, Pt. D.
Dr. Salvador E. Luria
William H. Wendel
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Guests Present
Ms. Ruth Cl.ark
Cuyler Hac;mond, Sc. D.
Dr. Luther Terry
ACS Staff Present
A1an Davis
Allan Erickson
Institu`e of Public Affairs
Ms. Eileen McCormack
Dr. Frank R4uscher
Dr. Jesse Steinfeld
Thomas Ulmer .
Irving Rimer
Zis. Carol Warner
Victor Wetngarten

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M.=t. UL`i!:R 1delco:r:eJ the Co~rmi.ssion on behllf of the ACS board and
pledged the full resources of the Society to assist it
in i ts work.
He described the importance the Society attaches to the
Co:n-iission's work in view of t!:e or~ani.zation's major
comrnitmznt to the Target 5 antt--smoking campaign.
He said the Society looked to the Corr,nission to gather
new evidence in tLie field of the success or failure, to
date, oL that campaign, to weigh the data it collects
carefully, and to recommend possible new approaches on
smoking and public policy.
He extended both the Society's appreciation and his own
to the Cor.unission members for agreeing to undF:rtake this
' task, and emphasized thlt the effort will have the full
support of the Society and- its man.bers.
:iR. hEI?:GaRTE\ Restated for the Commission the extend of the problem
caused by cigarette smoking, which the 1975 Public Health
Service report to the Congress said was "the largest single
unnecessary and preventable cause of illness and early deat;l".
The most recent Public Health Service figures indicate that
89,000 persons died from lung cancer in 1975, niid 250,000
other ILmericans died from coronary heart dj.sels~-, v:+r.ious other
forms of cancer, and respiratory diseases largely attributed
to excessive cigarette smoking.
He reported the Society's most recent stirdies which indicated
more than 90 percent of all cigarette smokera wure fully
aware of the dangers of excessive smoking yet, despite this
knowledge and awareness:
s in 1975, the tobacco industry produced .601 bil.lion
cigarettes - an all-time high. In 1976, that fiPure
was increased to 670 b:llion - more than 3,000 cigarettes
for every man, woman and child in the United ;:tctes.
0 of that number, less than 12 percent was of the low-tar,
low-nicotine variety.
lie reported that the tobacco industry's aulvertisin!; ex-
penditures in 1971, the last year cig:.re:t*_e ldvurg tisang wzs
permitted on radio or TV, exceeded $200 million. In 1975,
the figure was $300 million, and for 1976 it was estimated
that expenditure was $321 million.
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`;R. lie tlien. reoorted the r.e:ults of the new National Clearing
contd. Nouse s,.Irvoy which indicates that A:nericans favor increasec2
social action against smoking. For example:
0 70 percent want greater restrictions on smoking in public
places;
0 56 percent believe all cigarette advertising should be
banned from all inedia; 40 percen.t of smokers af;ree with
this
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0 73, percent believe management should-have the right to
bar, smotiing in the work place;
o more t^an 75 percent believe that teachers, nurses, and
physicians should set an exai,iple by not scaolany, and 60
percent of smokers agree with thi.s. . .
It is evident from the above that there is a new clirlte of
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. public opinion that affords the American Cancer Society new
opportunities to lift its anti-smoking camp:3ign to new height.s.
ACS has an ambi tiou5 f ive-year program to reduce sn:oking a::ion,
adults by 25 percent - 12-1/12 million men and wu,aen - and
among tean-agers by 50 percent - approximately 4-1/2 million
youngsters. This is a formidable goal.
One purpose of this new Nationa]. Comiaission .is to find oxit on
a regional basis what is being done, wi;at ir r.o': beir; don?!,
and possibly what should be clone to help move tiii:, thorny
public health problem along desirable public l:ines.
He described the methodology being used i.n organizin.y for
the Regional forums at which testimony will be taken, and
said that f ive Regional. Planninl; Councils had already been
formed - Los Anfielec:, Denver, Seattle, St. Louis and Chicago -
and that Councils would be forotied in Boston, Philade lphia,
and Atlanta within the next two weeks.
The function of the Regional Planning Council is to a;on
an agenda forr that region's Forum, identify the wicnasses
who can testify to each oZ thF agenda items, secure th1~-
participation of that witness, and al;:o be responsible for
the actual logistics of the Forum. I:ach of the f iva regi.ons
to date, the host cities of which are Los Angeles, 1),--nver,
Seattle, St. Louis, and Chicago, h:we resPonded exceptionally
well to this responsibility. Agendas have been a,;recd itpon
which conform almost ideuti.c::Illy with that proposed in the
original prospectus, and as m.any as 60 and 70 potential
witnesses have been identified in each region.
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As it no:4 appears, there willl be witnesses from virtu.all.y
:t;t. I:STNGARTE:N
contd. every state that will include: Governors, U.S. Senators,
mentiers of the Congres:; concerned with tcib.u.r.o lcf;ir.lat-ian,
State Le~,ist<<tors who have bcen aetive Sn intrculucinf; anti-
snoking lebis.lation, a]ar.f;e number of physicians with
special expertise in hrub]e:ns of prcm.ature birth:; chic to
cigaret.e s-,oking, epi.deeiioloT;ists, Stzte Conunissioners of
Health, dentists who have been involvccd with oral cancer
due to smo'.<ing, footbnlll and basket.~oall c:ozches, educators,
and students who have been involved in anti-smoking campaigns
(some from the fourth grade level), restaurant owners who
have banned cigarette smoking in their establishments, and
a number of entertainment industry and sports celebrities
who have had personal experiences with various aspects of
the smoking problem and wlio will appear not as celebrities
but peo?le who have an interest in the subject and something
. to co:a.:~unicate. On this 1.ist, for example, nr.e Roger Staubach,
quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys whose mother died of lung
cancer, Vicki Carr who will not appear in a night club which
pernits smoking, Sl.ick Watts of Seatt]o who is very active ic:
the anti-smoking campaign, Bill Russell, and Donnie and 11,I::rie
Osmond, who have a particular message for young people.
It now appears that each Forum will bear at least 30 witnesses.
Each city is hosting a reception for Commission members and will
use that occasion to involve new groups of public officials
and othars who might be helpful in the anti-smokincc., effort.
In addition, we anticipate very extensive niedia coverage, not
only of the Forums themselves, hut in the form of interviews
with me:abers of the Commissioll as well as many of the witnesses.l
As of the present time, there are'no negatives to report. The
Planni;,g Council meetings have gone exceptionally well, and
enthusiasm remains unusual]y high. '
DR. S'=EI2:FELD Outlined the "Health Consequences of Smoking" as stated in
Iten `:o. 4 of the agenda. He stressed the point that, while
the results of passive smoking - ths exposure to nicotine of
adults in public places, or even by embryo in n smoking mother'
womb - had not had sufficient epi.demioloy,icall prooF as a cause
of cancer, the possibility should not be taken .l:i,htly.
A recent study in London, h-- said, showed that babies of smokin
mothers are often stunted and frequently premature. As a
reason, he advanced the theory gained from laboratory tests
with ani:aals that carbon dioxide in the blood of babies born
to s-mo king mothers was ten timcs as high as that in babies born
to non-smoking mothers. Children of smoking parents, he added,
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DR. STI:INYELU are 1ikc:Jy to be, accordiur; to tests, more suscccptibic to
contd. respiratory infection and pneumonia than the offspring of
non-::mokcr s .
TiIC::;e ta'lllc;('.nti11 (lililin.(!rs to health c%III:;C'd by Sm(lkli) g and
stnokcrs have not been emphasized strong.ly enough, Dr. Stein-
feld felt.
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The recent industry emphasis on the low-tar, ]ow-nicot.ine
.cigarettes may raise awhole new set of questions. Has the
reduction of one or more dangcrous components in a_cil;arette,
in fact, decreased the risk and danRcrs from other possibly
unknown components? If cigarettes Were cate--orized as food,
they could be banned on the basis of the danger of their
additives. Since there is not legislation of this kind
governinp, the tobacco industry, cigarettes are not controlled
. by federal agencies on the- basis of their ingrndi.ents, and
little is known of.their exact components.
If the carcinogenic hydrocarbons were to he removed frorm
cigarettes, we would still be faced with the pos~ibili',;y that
there art, other disease-causing agents within c igarc:ttes.
For example, the number of people who die of heart disease
far exceed those who die from ].ung cancer.
Contrary to the popular myth that cigarette smoking takes
many years to show its harmful effects, it has bncome evident
that even high school students who smoke can show effects of
pulrr.oriary disease. Ci.narette smoking is carcinogenic for both
men and c:omen, and lung cancer has become more prevalent znor:g
women than in the past. Among cancers, in men, it is the
number one cause of death and in women, it is number four.
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ripe and cigar smokers are not ir,unune rom cancer. ~u7 i
chances of developing oral cancer are high. The c;eath rates
fron oral cancer are equal to those of lung cancer. There is i
also an additional danger for pipe and cigar smokers who in-
hale because they have sho:m a pronounced susceptibility to
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cancer of the bladder or pancreas. '
Out of the 1,000 or more components of a cigarette, nicotine
and carbon monoxide.may be the greatest cause In the develop-
ment of cancer, and certainly carbon monoxide has bcen iden-
tified as a major factor in the cause of heart disease. It is
dif f icult to measure the e::tent of c.lrbon lnonoxide, and this
obstacle ha&made it almost impossible to control it. Al.though
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i)1:. STf:::i ELll a smo :er w;to "yui ts" decreases hi s chance . of heart attack
contd . to the I evel of a non-smoker in a f ew months, this does not
hold true <:s far as the continued developmentt of cancer is
concerned. Cancer, unfortunatcly, is influenced by the
1en;th of time a person has smoked, the number.of cigarettes
smoke~ an_-~ the amount of smoke inhaled, and, depending on the
gro,ath and expansiori of cancer cells, nott only in _the lungs,
but to othcr parts of the body, sncir as the larynx and lrharyn:c,
take aT-reat deal longer before the affected parts can be re-
habilitated, if ever.
I In surmation, Dr. Steinfeld noted that the "safc<st" cigarette
( is the one that isn't smoked, and the time has come to protect
lll not only the smoker from himse.lf, but to protect all soc:iet:y.
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DR. TER: `' Revie:red the events since his famous 1964 Surgeon General's
report on the dangers of smol:ing and thc subsequent rtiling
in 1970 chich banned cigarette advertising on radio and
television, effective in January of 1971.
One unfortunate by-product of this much desired radio/TV
ban, said Dr. Terry, was the corg reshondinl; ban placed by th:.
networks on any and all public service anti-smoking n,tssanc-
which had been previously accepted on an "equal t:L;re" basis.
Because of this, such anti-smoking agencies as the Amcrican
Cancer Society and others were forced into a passive, rzt,hi:r
than a:,ili:ant, role and denied the opportunity, t'nereaf.ter,
to obtain any significant broadcast time.
Although the 1970 law required the inclusion of a::tron~^r
version of the Surgeon General's warning ori each pack of
cigarettes - saying smoking is harmful rather than the
original mav be - Dr. Terry fclt that efforts should be niide
to make the c:arning still stronger today.
He noted that several bills have been Introduced in' past
Congresses and a number or state leoislatures concerring
smokina in recent years. But lie also noted that mcst of them
had died be_ore the Congress or legislatures adjourned. Dr.
Terry is not now aware of any significant anti-smol:ing
legislation that has been introduced in the n.:c/ Congress
but stressed the point that, in the face of the strong pro-
cigarette and tobacco lobby, it would take a strong concerted
effort by the anti-smoking forces to obtain passage of any
desirable laws. He expressed the hope that the puhlicity
given to the work of this Commission at its many Regional.
Forucs could contribute to the desired goal if effectuating
meaningful change.
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DR. Dr. Terry pointcd out that progress weis being nade and
contd. cited the fact that before 1970 there %:cre if nny
sUIte or federal l.aw:; about ::moki.nf;. A,,;ainst this, he
cited 1975 statisLics, wherein 48 stILCS had introduced
and health and that, at least,
423 bills relatin; to smoking
60 statutes in 31~ states had been cnactea covertnb a wide
variety of matters, including effective limitations on -
smoking in public places, cigarette advertising, sales zu
mittors, and insurance costs. 0ne of the more exemplary of
these. lat-.,s, passed in Minnesota in 1975, states that "the
UePartmcnt of Labor and Industry shall establish rules pro-
hihitin; smoking in places of work wheree the close proximity
of workers, or the inadequacy of ventilation, causes pollution
detrimental to the health and comfort of non-smoking employees".
One of the FTC's roles in the smo':ini; problem has been to
' determine from the tobacco industry why people smoke. The
agency has attempted to obtain market research studie:; from
the cigarette manufacturers and has subpoenaed their rec.ords,
but this action is now being challenged in the courts, :^::d
it T-ay be years before a decision is handed down. Another
area of FTC regulation is billboard advertising by ciSarette
manufacturers. Court actions are now in process again;tt scn.ie
cigarette companies because the mandatory health warning is
no longer being displayed in the type-size or promincncs
required by law.
Another governmental agency, the Interstate Co.-nrerce Commission,
is playing an important role in the anti-smoking battle.
It.has, in recent years, required.that all trains must provide
a non-smoking area equal to 50 percent of the passenger space
available with the proviso that the facilities may not be mixed.
If there is only one car, it must be a non-smoker. Smoking is
not pernitted in dining cars, but it is allowed in bar cars
under ICC rules. On buses, the ICC has ruled that bus campanie:
may prohibit smoking but, if smoking is allowed, it is restrtcte
to the rear 30 percent of the bus.
The Civil Aeronautics Board now requires airlines to provide
non-s»o':cing seating areas. There has been a running controversy
about the amount of space to he allocated to smokers and non-
smokers. The CAB is now consider inF, special f tiF;lits forr non-
smokers, prohibiting smoking on airplanes entirely, limiting
non-smokers to minimum space on the plane. The toblcco industr)
in an effort to solve this dilemma, is now soliciting the
signatures of smokers and non-smokers at airports to protect
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DR. 'fGl:la their respectivc rights on airpl.lues. To date, petitions
contd. signed by smokers outnumber the non-smokers by about f.our
to one, due larFc:ly to the intensive paid campaign by the
industry now under way at many airports.
Dr. Terry citc!d the case of the Pontiac Stadium in Mic:hic;an
which, by the nature of its construction, dehends on positive-
air pressure to keep its collapsible ruof in place and tlws -
is unable to adequately dispose of smoke through its air
circulation equipment. Many of the people attending events
in the Stadium have complaincd about smoking in the Stadium
and retained a la4ryer in their defense. By measuring the
density of the smoke and the pcrcent:age of carbon dioxide
present in the Stadium, the complainants proved that,
because of smo:ang, visibility was reduced' by virtual.ty 85
percent before the end of the first half. Upon presentation
of this and other evidencc, the Court ruled that smoking should
be prohibited in the Stadium's stands for the good of the
players and spectators.
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Employces'rights are another area gradually affecting
regulation of smoking in public places. Recently a woman
in Jersey brought her employer, Bell Telephone, irto
court arid won a decision in herr favor wNich required the
employer to provide a non-smoking work area for non-smol:ing
employees.
NS. CLAI',K Presented the findings and views expressed in her recent
statistical study of teen-age smoking. The anti-smoking
message has been heard by this group but not heeded,
because teen-agers believe that everyone smokes except
doctors and athletes, and because the incidence of smoking
in their peer group is so heavy, they resort to the con-
venient rationalization e:hich says, smoking is addictive
and thus difficult to stop. Both of these myths must be
laid to rest before a lasting incentive to stop smoking
can be created for these young people.
The problem, IIs. Clark added, is not helped by school.a
which provide smoking rooms for teen-age students. Where
such rooms are provided, one out off every two students
smoke and there Is always the danger of the non-smolcc:r
being converted. Where no smoking roums exist, the lack
of facilities and the inconvenience tend to reduce the
amount of smoking substantially. These facts should not
be overlooked as a contributing cause of the teeO-age
smoking problem.
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MS. C;.:.Z= In a recent study of the American fruoily, about 50 per-
contcc cent of the children between ages 6.1nd 32 admitted to
having a friend who scnokes, wlrich shows how e1r].y thc
smoking hibit.can become intrenched in our children.
As reasons for the up-surge in youth smoking, Ms. Clark
citc:d :
- The "do your own thing" philosophy that now prevails
anong the young.
- Peer pressures to do what the others are doing.
- The emotional well-being (or ].ack of nervousness)
that smoi:inb is supposed to generate.
- The general lack of militancy of today's youth by
comparison with thosc off tLe 1960s.
- The diminishing scare-effect of the 1964 Surgeon
. General's report. _
- The removal of cigarette advertising from TV in 1971
and the attendant elimination of the very effective
anti-smo'<ing television spot announcements at that
time. r
One means of combatting the smoking problem of our yo::ti: as
well as its general apathy to the dangers of smoking .,c~sld
be to r.!ount a campaign, said Ms. Clark, that would makc the
drive against smoking a real cause - a crusade, if you :~il.l -
against one of the most prevalent purveyors of death knoan
to man.
A 30-ninste discussion followed, which elaborated on sonic of the above topics,
as follows:
DR. D~_VAL Few messages have gotten across as clearly as the ant.i-
smokinfi messages, and, yet, it: appears obvious that young
girls have opted for slim figures rath:r than longer lives.
The issue of self-image and self-esteem is bound to be a
lot r.iore important to young pcople than the question of
health, slnd for that reason, smol:in; should b~- pre:;ented to
them as a socially unacceptable habit that is damaging to
the general impression they present to society.
MRS. PFD:I\S Smoking rooms in schools can do nothing but set a very poor
- example to our youth. This is completely alien to the im-
portance of educating them properly nrainst the dangers of
smoking. The very young, from kindergarten age on, should
be reached in an effort to combat any desires they might
develop in later life to start smoking. It could be
presented to them in a "good-guy, bnd-guy" fashion in their
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:(f;S. story boo!:; or cartoons. The pod-,;uy, of course,
contc:. being the nnn-smol:r..r, ;ind the bad-f;uy being the Fmuke.r.
The adu1t s:;oker should be vn-3tten off acs they arc: already
set in thc:i.r habits and are not i;oinl; to quit. We nwst
start no:r to educate our youtig children in school on the
dan, er. s of smoking so that they will not hecotie the lost
adults of tomorrow.
DR. Agreed with Mrs. Perkins on the importance of educating
our very young and sugs;ested the possibil.ity of riaking
the tobacco industry our allies instead of our enc:my.
llIt. SI`;v`:DS RaisLid the question of the non-smokers bearing the brunl
for the s-mokers-as evIdeuced by insurance premiums.
i`ER: RUSSELL Stressed his concern that the Commission should be careful
. not to be viewed as a group that patrols the l:tves of other
people. We can regulate many things, he.suggested, such
as the amount of tar, the avai]ahility of cig=irettes to minors,
etc., but he is opposed to legislation uhich would control
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t7e should not be prohibitionists.
DR. 1' L::0`rl) Opened the af ternooa session wi th a slide presentatio:: on
the 1960-1972 study of male and female cigarette sr.iokers
by category of tar and nicotine content of their cir,arettes
(low, nediuM, and hifih). Further on this subjcct, he
stated that the problem is not to 'develup the "safe"
cioarette hut to find out if we have already do;~e so.
To date, we don't have a completely satisfactory system
for this purpose. Dr. Hammond then anscaered questions,
and a lengthy discussion ensued among the Commission
members about the following:
a.) effects of inhaling/not inhaling while smoking
cigzr--ttes;
b.) scoking pipes and cigars vs. cigarettes;
c. ) chec-.,ing tohacco;
d. ) illnesses of children c<<uscd by passive smoking;
e. ) the possibility of the elimination of tar/nicotine
from cigarettes and the retention and development
of other agents ehat could be just as dangerous.
The full text of Dr. Hammond's published report, which he
summarized at the meeting, is attached for your information.
