RJ Reynolds
Pacific Tobacco Corporation Vs the American Tobacco Company. Oral Deposition of Stuart E. Marion.
Fields
- Type
- DEPOSITION
- Site
- Rjri
- Law
- Request
- Minnesota
- 1rfp8
- Named Person
- Gray, B.
- American
- B&W
- Philip Morris
- Rjri
- Ti
- I, B.S.
- I Tpg
- I Mhc
- Pacific Tobacco
- Morris, J.E.
- Tilbury
- Univ, O.F. Mo
- Newport Reynolds
- Keseti, F.
- Campeaux, R.
- Dunkin, W.
- Judge, C.
- Smith, W.
- Myer, F.
- Galloway, A.
- Mcgee
- Save, O.N. Drug
- F Roger
- Bel Aire Pharmacy
- Hammer, R.
- Grout, D.
- F Frank
- Garden Home Pharmacy
- Steinbach, H.
- Bass, A.G.
- White, T.S.
- Larson, R.E.
- Still, J.A. Jr
- Swaney, L.J.
- Pryor, D.A.
- Sullivan, H.E.
- Rayburn, R.L.
- Coffin, J.R.
- Ritter, C.W.
- Rictor, C.W.
- Robinson, A.W.
- Brown, W.D.
- Tx Assn, O.F. Tobacco Dealers
- Natd
- Belknap
- Us Surgeon General
- Collins & Wilmes
- Smith
- Hubert
- Bernstein
- Safeway
- Payless Drugs
- Pay & Save
- Myer & Frank
- Us Tobacco
- Wilhelm, R.
- Moore, L.
- Hf Smith & Son
- Robertson Pharmacy
- Collins, W.
- Canteen
- Bersos, I.
- Smith, J.W.
- Proudy
- Massaere, R.A.
- Kane
- Mccolloch
- Dezendorf
- Spears
- Souther
- Kinsey
- Cake
- Jaure Guy
- Hardy
- Buttler
- Fed Bureau, O.F. Investigation
- Marion, S.E.
- Mcewen
- Huppin, I.
- Hartman, S.
- Cooper, D.E.
- Albertson
- Kend, D.
- Keno
- Or Tobacco Tax Div
- Campf, S.
- Georgopulo & Co
- American
- Referenced Document
- Cancer Advertising Code.
- Date Loaded
- 27 Feb 1998
- Author
- Marion, S.E.
- Morris, J.E.
- Tilbury, R.
- Tilbury & Kane
- Hillard, W.
- Mccolloch Dezendorf & Spears
- Spaulding, B.
- Souther Spaulding
- Mcewen, D.W.
- Cake Jaureguy Hardy Buttler Mcewen
- Morris, J.E.
- Box
- Rjr3340
- Characteristic
- Marginalia
- Brand
- Camel
- Doral
- Salem
- Vantage
- Winston
- Winston 100
- Winston Menthol 100
- Other Brands
- Doral
- UCSF Legacy ID
- zji29d00
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Q OK. IS HE THE NEXT MAN UNDER THE PRESIDENT
HIMSELF?
A YES.
Q Ar:D 11H0 WAS THE PRESIDE+lT?
A MR. ^CINIATs C^AY OR ALEC GALLa;'AY. LET' S SEE?
WHAT-- I GUE SS IT 1-'AS 't4ISTFR-- LCT' S SEE.
MISTER--
MS'. HILLIARD: DO YOU HAVE IT, I'OGcR?
A (CONTINUING) I AM NOT SURE. I DON'T KNO;:. IT
WAS E I T1-!E R 1i17 ..~'OLLC GALLO`.,AY OR MR. t3010t4AN GRAY.
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(BY ViR. TILiiURY) ALL RIGHT. THERE Z1AS A CHANGE
SOMETIME DURING THAT PERIOD?
A UH HU19.
I BELIEVE.
ALL RIGI-IT. THERE IS IN TNE ANSti,ERS TO INTER-
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ROGATOf:I ES A ~ tENT I Ot. OF A CONS I DERAT I ON BETWEEN
MR. WALTEF. DUNKIN AND MR. MC GCE, I BELIEVE IS--
M-C G-E-E--OF BROUSI ('>' WILLIAMSON IN CONNECTION
WITH A FLIGHT THAT WAS EVIDENTLY MADE FROM
SEATTLE TO BOISE, AT WHICH THE SUI3JCCT OF
PACIFIC TOBACCO, Cl1PaCEP, CIGARETTES, AROSE.
HAVE YOU HAr OCCASION TO DISCUSS
EITilER PAC!FIC TOFACCO OR CANCER CIGARE:TTES
V! I TH t'iT:. DUt; t: I tE?
!tR. SPAULDING : MR. DUNKIN, DID YOU SAY?
f"';. TILBURY: YES.
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1' Q ALL R I Gt1T. At;p CAN YOU G I VE US THE YEAP,, FOR
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9 A 0H, PE;ObA^LY 1967. SSOMETIME DURINI G THAT PERIOD.
10 ."+S ~.P:Y;~tjl ' c:: t.S~ ?*.ES L~IT DUf: I tyG THE D I SCU S S I ON
oUf: I tiG THA't' l'LAR,---DUfi I Nr THE D I SCUSS I aN?
12 A FrAttiKLY, I UC}IN' T Y.IuG;4, BECAUSE I CAPd' T REMEMBER
13 ANY PARTICULAR DI yCUScInN.
14 Q fK; iG YCU ~Ct'LP1iiCK THE PLACE I.i-lEftE THE DIS-
15 CUSSIQ.: TOOK PLACE?
16 A I T Cc:U LD HAVE i?EEN I N MY COMPANY AUTQMGs I LE OR
17 I'N 'A'( CF FICC, IIMSAN, THIS IS NORMALLY WHERE
18 1lC DISCUSS OUR CCE1!'ASlY [3USINrSS. ~
19 Q ALL RIGHT. I f?ELIEVL THAT YOU IN'DICATED T!-1AT'
20 YOUR TITLE !iAS DIVISION MA~AGEE r.'
21 A Tt;AT' SRICt-iT.
22 Q ...AT THAT TI;1!=?
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A 0H, YES. I DISCUSSED CANCER CIGARETTES WITH
GUt1KIN' .
c~ (UY Mi2, TILCURY) AND tr+-;C'~d DID YOU HAVE THE
DISCUSSION?
A I G'.1;:SS ;':-Uf2I:'~G T!;I5 TI~1E-: IN nUESTIOt4. TO PItv-
F'OIt;T IT, I CGULD;I'T DO IT.
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I S THIS CALLC'D THE PCf'TL"r:U DI V I S I CN, OR i'tiAT
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A RIGHT. PORTLAND DIVISION.
Q AND FiOI! MUCH AREA IS Ct:COMPASSED IPd THE PORTLAND
DIVISION?
A WELL, 1:E WENT FRO;1--IdE HAD A LITTLE PART OF
VA'NCOUVER, !vASHI,tiGTOt:, SAY, ON DOWN THROUGH
SOUTHE.:Z:e CALIFORNIA--I t;EAN, TFIf;OUGH CALIFORNIA--
N0RTtiI~R;: CAL I FO;;N IA; THE :-1HOLE EASTERN PART OF
OREGOfti.
MR. SPAULDINIG: EASTERN OR WESTERN?
THE WITiYLSS: EXCUSE ME. WESTERN PART.
THE EASTERN P;..RT 1IAS HANDLED BY IDAHO.
EXCUSE 14E.
Q (BY t'iR. TILBURY) AP;D'VrHAT DIVIDES THE EASTERN
AND THE 1`tESTMN SEGMENTS OF OREGON?
A A LINE OF DIVISION--OR, A DIVISIONAL LINE, AND
FOR THE L I FE OF ME I COULDN' T TELL YOU k'HERE
IT P;AS, bUT ITfS DIVISIONAL i30UNDARIES, SO MANY
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MANY COUttTIES WERE IN THE IDAHO DIVISION.
Q I SEE.
A I THINK IT :JA s NOSTLY SECAUSE OF THE CONVENIENCE.
Q D'':E:S IT "GUGYLY FOLLO:v' Ti-1C CASCADE MOUNTAINS,
FOR EXA"!PLE?
A WELL, I T WAS ON TlIE OTHER S IDL OF THE CASCADE
MtUUNTljIr:S. THE DIVISION t-!AS ON THE EAST SIDE
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7 Q OK. N0W, 1-'F-AT IWAS SAID AT THIS DISCUSSION
8 E3ET'dEEN YOURSELF AND MR. DUddY:IN, AS YOU RECALL IT?
9 A ABOUT WHAT, NOW?
10 Q ...ON THE SUBJECT OF PACIFIC TOBACCO AfJD CAPICER
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CIGARETTES?
A PACIFIC TOBACCO I HAD NO IDEA THAT IT EVER
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EXISTED UP UNTIL RECENTLY, WHILE CANICEfi CIGAi:ETTE
WE DISCUSSED IT AS YOU WOULD ANY OTHER CIGARETTE.
AtdD SPECIFICALLY I C/1NfT RECALL. ANYTHING THAT
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT-- PERHAPS IF YOU ASK ME
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17 SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT--I
18 DOtJ' T KNOW. WE D I SCUSSED ABOUT THE D I STR I f3UT I 0N,
jg UNDOUBTEDLY, HOW THEY WERE SELLING. THI SWOULD
20 BE A NOf:MAL QUESTION THAT HE WOULD ASK ME:
21 "HOW !!RE THEY SELLING, STU?"
22 Q ALL RIGHT. DID HE MENTION THIS FLIt,H't THAT I
23 REFERRED TO EARLIER, ;0(HERE HE HAD A DISCUSSIO~~
24 WITH A MR. fAIC GEE?
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Q AT THE TIME OF YOUR DISCUSSION DID HE HAVE ANY
PRIOR TMFORP4ATION CONCERNING CANCER CIGARETTES,
AS FAi' AS YOU KM^W?
A I CAN'T ANSWER WHETHc R HE HAD THAT INFORMATION
OR. NOT.
Q ALL RIGHT.
A A!rD I HONESTLY DON'T KhOt!.
8 Q ALL RIGHT. HAD YOU THE FACTS AVAILABLE OR KNOWN
9 TO YOU AT THE T I'-tE THAT YOU HAD THE D I SCUSS I ON
10 TI AT YOU RELATED TO HIM?
11 A Th-iE FACT ABOUT t!l-iAT?
12 Q ABOUT CANCER CIGARETTES A11D ABOUT HOW IT VIAS
13 C, I STR I BUTED OR SOLD, OR S'HATEVER?
14 A IIELL, I HAD SEEN THEt" ON THE MARKE T. ~,
15 Q ALL RIGHT.
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j7 Q t1IiFRE iiAD-- EXCUSE ME.
18 A I HAD SEEN THEM ON RETAIL ACCOUNTS AND UNDOUBTEDLY
19 TtdIS IS WHAT l~lE DISCUSSED.
20 Q 0}:. WHERE HAD YOU SEEP: TH EM DI SPLAYED?.
21 A WELL, I AM NOT TRYING TO B E EVASIVE, EUT, TO TELL
22 Y^U EXACTLY 1;F4ERE AND IN 4IHAT STOI:ES, I COULDN'T
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24 THERE tfAS ONE DRUGSTORE THAT I CAt4
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I S THE NAMiE OF THAT Df?UG STOF',E? I S SAVE-ON DOWN
THERE? I THINK IT'S SAVE-G,N: DPUG. THEY HAD THEM.
PAYLESS? 1'OULD THAT BE IT?
IT'S RIGHT THERE I+. LLOYD CENTER.
Q C0 YOU F;ttp" ,lHl'.T PART OF LLOYD CENTER IT IS?
A l;'H f:T PART'
Q ...1!FiAT LE%'EL?
A 0!-', 140. 1T'S RIGHT ON THE MAIN FLOOR DOWNSTAIRS--
'THE BIG DRUf STORL" DOWN THEP.E:.
Q ON' TfiC t'dC;'.TIH S I i?E, OR DO YOU ,^.t CALL?
A Yrlm. YEAH.
t,'A S I T JUST AN I SOLATED CARTON THAT YOU SAW OR
11014 WAS I T D I S PLAYED?
A I THINK IT ;-lAS DI SPLFYED 1~ITH OTHER CIGARETTES.
t.d0"!~'.LLY Th°IS IS '4HAT MY -f:YES' SCAN rIHEt~ I WALK
IN TO ANY C?LL. I LOOK FOR DISTRI BUTION AND
tiHL N I SEE SOMETHIr.G THAT IS OTHER THAN THE
PYC^MAL LI"?;= I NATU?ALLY AM CURIOUS ABOUT IT.
Q DID YOU GO TO THIS PARTICULAR DRUGSTORE IN ORDER
TO CHECK ABOUT THE PRESFNCF OF CANCER CIGApETTES
OR WAS IT i'~r'ELY I"yCIDENTAL THAT YOU SAW IT?
A ":C. 1'`tIS '4AS MY FIRST EXI'OSUf?E, I THINK, TO
THE CrAf;D, IN THF hFUGSTOF:f:, I THIf:K, WHEN I
SA.4! IT EXHIBITED.
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A Ws.LL, !F I SAID 1967 WOtlLn THAT 8E TOO EVASIVE?
IRL'AL.LY I'0t7LD HATE TO BE PIP:*ZED D01:N.
0 i hJ1 ?-~^T T^YI"aG Tn DRIVE YOU INTO ANY CnnNER AND
IF YOU EinN'T :?rCALL, ti1HY, JUST TELL ME ti;liAT YOU
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DID YOU MAYE A REPORT OF THIS
IVCIDr":T't
A 01', YES. I AL:!AYS D4 ON C(?MPFTITIVE ACTIVITIES.
V4,:IT KINf:' OF QEPJ!`TS DID YOU NORMALLY IMAKE MOST
Dr...'ra?
A Y,ELL, ^": f1Y DAILY REPORT ll.E tiAVE AN AREA FOR
REPORTS FOR COMPETITIVE ACTIVITIES AND SUGGESTIONS
A~V!D THINGS LIKE THAT, A-N0 I AM SURC IMiUST HAVE
rEPrr.,TcD IT .3ECP=.USE IT'S STANDARD PROCEDURE WITH
OUR COMPANY TO t'EP0^T IT.
Q DO ALL THE SALESt1EN MAKE SOMEWHAT S IMI LAR TYPE
REPORTS EVERYDAY?
A p:i, YES. DAILY. A!tD IT'S TO T:AEIf' BEtJEFIT TO
BE ALERT AND TO FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON It:
THE INDUSTRY.
Q Wi£'2: YOU SAY ITi' S T() T}-PEIR 13E*3EFIT, :'HAT DO YOU
V:':AT t'AY?
IF I SAI~ "';~ tf`;{'IE PnIS~TS", ;!OULD YOU WNIDEP,STtiND
n, Yr:UI H.%''`. A.t;Y ID1SCUSSiC'":S ?:ITH !`,'NY (`F THE
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PEOPLE WORKING TNEFtE AT THE DRUGSTORE ABOUT CANCE
CIGA??ETTES t:!-9EN YOU SAV, THEM?
A DID I HAVE AtdY DISCUSSION? I PROBABLY DID. I
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Ps:OLABLY DID. I F1L-AtI, IT WOULD t,E A NOPMAL
TH I t;C FCR NIE TO DO At:D---
;l=3AT D I D YOU SAY? ...A.':Y I DE1`.?
A WELL; I WOULD NORMALLY SAY THIS WITH ANY BRAND:
"HC~!I LONG HAVE YOU HAD THE'M?...14
YOU MUCH DO THEY RETAI L FOR?"
C!'~T11E,:Itdu INFOR!1ATI0;: TO REPORT TO MY COMPANY.
Q D I D YOU MAKE ANY COl1IMENTS COfICERN I P,G THE NAME
"CAtCER" IN CONNECTION WI Tt-I THE C IGARETTES?
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A I~1fIN THE DRUGSTORE?
Q YES.
A I AM SURE I SAID "CAtVCER CIGARETTES." I MEAN,
".?01,? LONG HAVE YOU HAD THESE CANCER CIGARETTES?"
THAT IS THE BRAND NAME.
MR. HILLIARD: F"R. MARION, JUST AS A 1,.'ORD
HERE. Dt) YOU ACTUALLY RECALL THE
COr'VCRSATIOIN OR ARE YOU SItsPLY TELL1fJG
iIR. TILCURY WHAT YOU =:1OULD NOf:,HALLY
DO?
T;'C S-lITt:C:SS : NO. I'lti TELLING WHAT I
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MR. SPAULDIPdG :
YOU SHOULD LIMIT YOUR A;dSWERS
TO WHAT YOU CAN REMEMBER.
THE 1,ITNESS: OH, WELL, I DON'T REt1E'1FER
THE CONVE.fiSATION IN THAT DETAIL.
t"R. MC EtJf:td: IT'S BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING
UP TO THIS POINT, F;R. TILSURY, THAT
ALL OF THIS HAS CEEN SUPPOSITIVE ON
THE wITNESS' PART. IT' S JUST WHAT HE
t:C^MAL1.Y HAS DONE. HE IS P!nT RECALLING
THAT HE RECALLS IT INCIDENT DY INCIDENT
OR WORD E;Y WORD.
ISN'T THAT TRUE, MR. IIARION?
THE tJITNESS: THAT IS TRUE.
T I LSURY : THAT WOULD BE TRUE WITH ALt4OST
ALL OF US. WE COULD NEVER RECALL WITH
THAT DEGREE OF QREC I S I Otd. BUT MY
UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF HE CANNOT
RECALL PF'ECISELY HE CAN RELATE TO THE
PEST OF HIS KNIGI:'LEDGE WHAT IT 1;AS.
t'R. t1C C!rEN: I AM NOT QUAP,RELii1IG WITH THAT,
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Q (_:'f TILBURY) ;V!HAT, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, WAS
S .°ID?
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A I DOr1'T BELIEVE SO.
I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
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.iR. MARION, DO YOU t:ECALL SF'EIPdG
CANCER CIGARETTES DISPLAYED ANYPLACE ELSE?
A YE S. I CAN. WHERE--I MEAN, I F YOU ASKED ME
TO PIt;PGIP~T THE CALLS, I COULDN'T DO IT,
Q ALL RIGHT. OTHER THAN THE POf:TLAttD AREA?
YES. t3UT THAT l!AS MY MAIN AREA.
Q ALL RIGHT. DO YOU RECALL THE TYPE OF CPERATION?
...1:'AS IT A DnUGSTORE?...btAS IT SOME OTHER TYPE
OF RETAI L STOt:E, OR WHAT?
A WELL, I AM SORRY AGAIN. I KNOW I HAVE SEEN THEM,
PUT EXACTLY WHERE ICOULDtv'T TELL YOU.
Q ALL F:I GtiT.
A ... Tllc; TYPE OF STORE.
Q D I D YOU, ON ANNY OCCAS ION, PURCHASE ANY OF THE
CAI-ICEt? CIGARETTES?
A YES. I DID. I PURCHASED TWO PACKS FROM THE
DRUGSTORE.
Q Ff:O!1 THE DRUGSTORE IN LLOYD CENTER?
A YES.
Q . . . Tt(AT YOU RELATED?
A YES.
n 1!riAT i); D YOU DO 1;tI TH THE CIGARETTES?
A hi)I LEP THEM TO OUR C7IMPAtdY.
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