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... For Education If He Will State (A) the Amount of Money Allocated to Vec's This Year; (B) When Such Finance Was Allocated; (C) the Amount Received by Each Vec Committee; (D) the Number of ...

Date: 18 Oct 1978
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.. 50094 2179 617 Quurfons- 13 OcrOatx 1973. for Esacs:/cn tf 1:c will state (z) t!u ;.:nount af r„or.:y sitotatcd to VEC's this )'c:.:: (b) wh:n such :inancc was al- lo:.ac:]: (c) till anJuGt r.:civcct by each \'EC Co:r.r.t:ct:c; (d) thc nur:tl:u of •^!:cr.::s carri;d out by VEC's with this tcr.::r.cc; znc (c) if he has :.ny pla ne fur t:1.:Cac in tae :rl!Jcatio:l of lut:c:s tJ V 1:C's. p )i,ist:r fot F:aucaciun ('.Ir. Wi!•. 3n)t (:t) Tllc tc:tal au:ltoriscJ allocztcd to thc ?2t :.1uc(/tion committCes tliis )•car 1:as F46•3ci:,S71 fo: th:ir o:dina:; ^:: f.F,3h:,3tn'1 for tha :.t:.c • -c;:Ga_t (h) ".'re r.l- h•::.:inrts acrc tnadc oa 25 s.at:m:•cr i978. at::1 G Uc:ober res(:.:tiVCly ;(c) Tn: 2r•tot:nt :Iloc::tc.i :o cach voc;:iot.al CJCi7nl(te: t:r,d cach n•riatlal t..lr:ic:J co:lc;,c is, •:s p:r :Itiachcd s: 1': c to :he r,ot ir: ad: • a:•n uf rn t::; v:IfVlu1 eJrrf.t;y:u ar.:,i: (J) l.:ach uf tt•e ,'•a vn.•1, ,,:,,1 c1cc..aUn coa::Llt:Ca I:S ot.'l SCItQ:Ae Whic11 ta\•t:IVCs in ycarrat tl:c antl J:vc:cp: :cnl of cl!j.:.tiun t.it:.in its, t+u a:ca. Tl:is in- clud'- t:lc yayt-t Gt :)f ia ti. ::Lc..,:s a,:J clr.•.c.: tilc t:chnical c:::::; es, :I,,;dic•al:, sn;l :hc r,l:kin;; of prv;xian for sc::~rar.! i~: ;:nJ ;;rzats, Thry arq: a::u Cu;:ly in:u:vcJ in tL•: orl;adiia:iJ•l Oi cours:s :Ind a„t:cn- t:, .o.u::s ::nd in t:t: p:::.r.u:io n.K paa:t :p:,- fc) 1. i: n:y i:t• t.nuc•:1 to c:mt.: t:c to provi.,:on ta co:»::tittccs f,:: :hc cycr.,tio:t ar.d Jcvulopment of th:ir scl::mcs. F,:'loM•ing arc the dcta?ls of the In:ou:tts: VLC OttD:.1/A,tY ZCitt:xtts ('.ly c.( Ccrl ... ... Cdy ai '•L,t,hn ... ... ... ... C:ly.'Lin.na ... ... ... ... C,ty n( ,v..:.r:ard ,•, ,.. .. T.,wnc(t:r.&y •„ ,,, •,• •. ' T-~wa Lf lJ:..;t•ula ••• ••• •. ltIrlutA .ra1Nr/l Oi{ (Atr. S:cr.r,y.I ~ ~ t L xLaitu n'n" of M"a 1.1.0 T.It.n o(C.Jway Y3s:a ol aijo ... ... To•.•no:':lcaiord Co. C.uto.v Co. Cwsn Cu. C•..rc .•• Co. C.uk ••. Cu. I )c:•: La<1 ... ... ... Cc+. OaolUn ••• „• ••• C~I. t::Jray ... ... ... Co. t:i:Jarc ... ... ... ... ... .., Co. t:itk:nny ••. ••• ••. Co. t.rci1 •.• .•• ••• Co. t: m:::ck .. ... ... ... Co. Lan;:ic(sl ..• ••• Co.:.Ulth ••• ••• ••• Cc..A!c:•.1 ,,.• ,•• ••• Cn. \u.,t0 • ••. •,• Co. kt:.aayh,tn• ... ,,, :C.t.u::ay •. •,• ••• Co. ;tos,:UmROn .,• . CI•. .:I,;o . ,•. • Cu. I., t:cts:ry (\a).. •,• ,.. ::u.(Sit) .,• .,, Cu.'•:a.ri.,rd ... ... ... Ca ,.. ,•• „• Co. W.a(;,:C ... ... ... ... ... 1 Y::.)S) Cu. ':.'ial~w ... ... ... ... ... t!i'i: 21 AIEGIC?JAL T:?Ct:%tCAL COt-LCGtd AU.Ot:AT:ONS ~t (:•,t± :!: r i:. ... ... ... ... ~':,Z:J 1n':.t::(urJ 1' T.C, ,•• ,•• ••, C.1••.ay 't.T.C . ... ... ... ... t.~ i `.eJ3 S:a:o 1t.T.C . . ... t)1„ t~, lk... ... ... t~,lk It.1'•t: • 7ss,s4• lAa •rkcnaY " T•C•~ ~ .~• ~:• •.• f•G.,91 S /.t:.1•r1. a.i.C. :t•i.C• :: .:: :.: 1 : C~c1uu It:i.C. ... :.. ... ... Ll u6,I11 Qxst`on \o. 505 witl:draarn. Caitlcbar Vocation3l Sct.ool. • S06• !•:cr•n)' nskcd thc. Nti.ti:tsr for liJ;,ca:ion titl: rosition rct-arCinZ t1c pruo-isiu , ot a r,•:.•: vo::ction:•i sehJUl in (:as.l:h::r, COu.^.t•y Ll,'1 wacn wuck Hilt cor•,at:.n:c. 11Y•n;>tcr fur 1'sttncatian (:/!r• tiVil.on): 41y L::;tallr.tc:u r:ccntiy :'.t:wast.J tha Cc..:uty At:.)'o `: cc':.tionr.l :.wucaiaa Coml:tit::c w p:coar: the b;i1 ct quc:.- tit:a for this proj-i-ct. It is cx?4:t:d taat 649 Tuboeeo lroC.cu d0rlL li C+e'roasr• 197R. 1978 ] yral;e 6:0 bui!dinb wcr: may..ammence Lefo:c.thc miJJto of 1979. Sl/urts Incentivice• 507. Mr. l:cnny nsketl tt:c iititastcr .for F•ds:cation his I)cpar,tr.cnt's cttiatde tnwards a rcccnt stct:atcctt by tha Frea;!t \ar.s!cr for S*.o:t t;:at s;..:cIal i.:ccn:::es sl:ozlJ be of:a•cd ta pGaiti:J chanpion ut::;ct:s t:t wors Class kvcl• At:tiistcr for Cduc:X-on (Atr• Wilaon): I do not tltiak titat it v.•o:.td be t.p• p:optia:c for me to cot:trncnt 011 a statc• m:r.t mad: by aM6iu:istcr of nnoti:cc GoVCrn:n.:nL Youth 2r.:F!uymcnt. 1 S0S. .1Sr. tienny as:;cd ttte Ninister I for ircoao:.iic I'ianning and Ucvc:ol• 1 m:nt the c~!imat.c: shor:fall in ;.hc for I yuutt; 1).opa by t1he Crtd c* 1970; and how it is intcr,dcd to mea this shortf«1l. ltinis::r for : : ,r.u:a!: ttsnair.y ::n.i iJct.l.,,'..ICa (1':nta.nr• U'I:ur,cl~!.u.;: 'fhc I):(+aiy pruuana:liy h:,+;a n:ind the G.IVenua.nt's : t+c.ia.t p:ugrait: :, fvr the .•.rcatioa af 5.6 jJ j:)a: iar ynun: rco- p:c attl:..uncrJ in th: '1'It%; cur• reat c:a:cst::iiu t is tnat tcroct of S,LVO ;::`s tttill !r: ful:y act::cv.L by the ur,u of. t1>r ycar aa.i that thcrC \Y') t>,: no shortfa!1. Tobaccu taroducts (Control of Advcriis- inL, S:.Gnsoral,ip and Sales t`ronsu:ion) Lit!, 1973: Second St•rie. Itliel~:ct tilr 1l.:dth (:.tr. 11:nl;lroy)t I movc: •''1'hr,t tl:: 1tiL' be now ;cad a S;- co7t:* Tir.w." Tht3 lii;i r,tt:y v:c:1 be acc of the slor:zst l:iils introc:uced in the prescnt session uf f)ail Li:can;t but it is, in my vie.v r:cs;:its its brcvity, an impot•tant p'ccc of I:ca!1!t h:Si+lat:oa. ! The p:.r;,'sr oi t„;s ;::1 is to r•rc1•idc 1 fnr thc c•:: :n!, b;' s:alt'tur) rtl;taa:ion, ~ 1 of tLu U, ~ mt l.Ul..,~:ct:: • tt:5:,a:a ;ir~..Iacis n r,l.: cf ii:'+ :,;, by t th, tt:a ::cu iadt:at:y, ~ • TLc 1. isl;::io1 wilt enable thc hl:nia:r for H:c,!t1t tc prultib:t p.t:ticu!ar kinc:i of cdvarciua~ znd s,cr.icr:'/i?, :o r~a:li:t c::fcnc!;:ia ta~s~ as, :~.JsGS+:a• lr0l t:7c ;Ot.:: A1111 CULtOnt Jl tol7»CCo 0 • . , l' }~tw,{ ov.l.v :ulvealctn3• t: r!c•u~Y...'.~C•S far the fsr- n;si:i:l^, to atu `iia:acr f::r :•:c; !ti:, cf :r:• forl:t:itin;t for •l:c ;._:•),c.:ca of tho iii!1. A11. this is C:-r::a`.-.d itt ''1:4 kcy scciiun, scctinn 2. 'Cita oth:r four scc• tinn•: cf t:t. Cltl cocttaia the st.urt tiac, dciinitioaa and p:ovisioa for e.yc:t:os ur,J I s!lal! cnJrctl'our to • o,:''inc for wlt:,:h t1his lc~vi:.i: ::.>:t -i~ b::: ; i:1- t:tp!U1h:t1, the Gdat for it r.1St: I1:J ;t•:a.r.`.l tinc% alorti; which 1 ptapusc to yro.c:d wita its ir.Ip:.atcGtdGJ:1. Dcy,7ti.^s ure •twa:u tas: Ih:01:;tiGta the rccNfun: world crery.v`„rc . rc inrcair,;;:y cc s:~:l:r:': M Ili :It: C4::C of (a.: V.7C I:alia an11 t1.C f:71•t, d1 ti1Jt it1mn+Siltit CXi1Ctt:1ltate la i:ot nutwltcw hy A carr,.ranJ:rn1: i1nh:G•r.• ntcat ict gcncr,ll h.:•lt!t aaJ 1.•::!•I:ci:iK• Tk:is cur,.:,at clc::r:y f•o;t the rc:twra ; a:nt+ u; in th: ailct'tia : c,l' in ; Ss m:l::: .!)' as a.re. :'u: t:1]: :C.':J:t Ct r fiotlc) t..) tui:.i ul, ::t.: Jtvcl.:p t:'t.t (:ct•u,:ive f.:aait.n sl,ic by siJ: tt ith tiu h:rnitw ul:e. .\al c s- xst;.tl clctni ri of this p: licy i!: to :up;t.rt tno.c i:t the cun:: :u,.ity w!:o a:: .r nic ~s to Gl:tir:::Cn y.`t`u a w ta re :1`-:r. : rf •:c V;:W that ca,::t of us ha. a :~:ce x.a• :i:~:' :y to r.cc ia away t:u,t w:;l nt:::ata:a, as far as twossihla, :criln:t Flt;';i:al and m:n::.l ilcaith. ln tac ct:n.:)t yc:.r we hmc u:,dc:- ta'&cr, a nt,mt•cr of eanlp; i"na :.7 c:f; :•C tl:C ss%J xcpl ort thasc who :c » tc: ,:1:: to '1it,cc iltc' :dc a carn- p::i~n, currcatly, a r:n:p :;:t uc ;i, r.:c to inr I+:ca upctt thc rucd ('ur mo`cra- tiu,) on ai;d u: • ta : in- u:vic:u:a 11: I/;ic(np:ir.L to s.lc!t a Fasitive hc:.lth Wli.y, we im^1:1:• .ay cc:r•t oto uP a;ainst tL: ptu'alcr.t uftiga:cu: 5.110::iCP ::n11 tlic WIt:CSpdca'., Sta4.tlilVe, .-'!a:::xuus aciof :obacco p:onucts. 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; T wt /wlat4or ard.Pro.llsnr It OCTOSaA 1979. Soclstks B1l4 197111 692 • Mr. OTootcr Ir the erit:rion 1rid down by Dcputy Drowne eor.ccrnit:g r.ccrj3.:= is that if ar•c is a smoa•cr o: : is a r.: e: et:c it is k>-:tcr to dceiere ocrsclvcs on :?.Es ;.:°•r.: uz;t::l:y. I vclcor.:: :is iiil to 1at•a t:.op;.or- tu:J:y ot•;f.cai:ins a'oout wh:.t I cors:dtr t:e L`.e advsnt_gcs i.•t it. I:1so hoN to offcr som: constnctive criticism with rcZ;.1J to what the present position is. I b:5cvc the Bill was produ:cd in Fc+od f.i;;t, that it is b;.scd on a cc:ta:n dvt:cr of hope aad taat for tts p::.: e:~at ~n ec:t:ir.'G(.;,r:c cf er.;:r.ty ts ?:rhaps too m_ch :ltaricy is rcou::ed when or.e coasidcrs ty: fs;lings of humcn n_turc. Vllu1: the i`Sinis:cr r-..ust bc lacd:j for his efforts to have a hcalt?:i:r Iwulation there is a ccrta;n a:i:.::r.t of con:act in h;s :,p roach. WhC:t c:: 10: wi At t!:.' massive n:c :ur Yav::c>! tii: css, whi,'J he has taurc!.G, t).roc~!t iavoa•:rrent in sport r.,i:1 ;hy:ical L•;r.:ss and one t_Acs that in conjur.c:?on aith this Di;l it shows a ec:.:irn d:;;::e of eon!L':t to me. I bziie%•c i the !.lin:.tur hes got a very f.:vo.jrsS!e cs~isc to his n::;ave caap.t:ra for aa~ sic:~ f.ti:ess. T:.cre r.re sorr..; pco;.:c who arc not fit to t=Y.c tl:c cxc:ci:.: he is ur~-in; tl::^t to tzke but in thcir cnt^usi:5i;i to sati:fy him thcy arc doing th:r.;s whi:,`, they normalty would not do :.nd possib:y sl:ould not do and arc likc'.y to do ha:m to th:m:clves. TI:c Cill bs;ore tha Yous: in i:s s;.r.pL'::ic.:crm is do:ng two t!•~inl;s. It is tr):ng to c"Z~a th: cf t.>.`.ac• co anu :ub.:cco pro"Jcts. T.`.crc is also a propJsJ to cunail sponsorship by ei~arc:tc companies. Since t!::s ec;:atc bcgzn I hai•c listcncd to mr.ny spea::crs Li~•c ttcir vic~•s on sFo::sorship. T;te COnniCt comcs in %%•hcrc, on the cac h:nJ, t!,_ Minister is t:!l;nG thc f.;~p!c to p_,rti%:ip_tc ia sro:t and excrcisc th:ms,:lves an d on thc cih:r hantl,-hc is now sa}•in3 that ccrtain tyf^:s of sp.ut which up to now have received spon- scrsl:s and those which in the futurc m:;.t,t corr.c into cr.i:t;.ice bxause of F~_n::a :~d lrorn tw:.cco tourccs, %,,ill no 1.~: ~er r:c.h•c this. i~ic is sayinn: ' Tt.ou shaa not tak: p:ut in that sport bcc::usc the ti .anco to provide that *fecility w>u not be thccc." I ho,:e the Minister will be ab!c to provida th: st)on.orship wh:ch he is r.ow sayino sho;::d not be Frcvid: d Ly the tobacco industry. Up to r.ow he has had a very ch.ca r:de ?n tlt,: pccp.c to go out acZ p:rticipc:c in saor:. T::is hss cr.st nci:l:er l:int nor the Govcrnnicnt any.hitt.:. No:v, if the idea to ::rEc people to participz!c in sport is not to conic from sponsorship by the :obacco In- dastry w: r.ow have to ask if the 1`!?n:atcr %viil p:ovidc the kind of spon- sss:::.ip which tho:c p:aa,c. were pravi::ir.g: :f he is p:cpar~d a do that I oai:v: that what h: is r.ow ;:y°n,; to do will succc:J and his campa:Ln for a hcalthicr nation will also succa:d. I hope he will bc a~:c to tcll us if 1:,; is preparcd to put his moa:y whcre his mouth is ia regard to sponsorsa,p. D,:bate adjourned. Industrial and Providcat Sockties (Amendment) Bill, 1973: Committeo and rinal Stagcs. Sectioa I azrced to. SI3CTIO,'I 2. Question proposed: "That section 2 stand part of the Bill." Mr. Kci:y: Section 2 is a dcGnition scction and it co::tains a dc;ir.i:ion of the wo:d •'o: iccrs". I wonder if 6 oclock. th: Minister would Lct his Dcparttn=r.t to look at the Bill from the poh;t of view of whcthcr the wordin.- is ur.iform. My eye lit, foc ex- arnp:c. on sccuen 28 (3) in which there is a rcfcrcncc to an "ol;'icial". It may not be a po:a: of muclt. subswrcc but the in :he lti/; sn,)uld be ur.i;crm. If therc is a d:ffcr.:icc of any sisai:icance b;tK'e:n "ot;icers" and "ofnci:~" it miA5t be well to express it. t.7inistcr for Industry, Comnurcc and (&tr. O',1-t:.iley): I will inquire in:o chc :nattea Question' put and agrecd to. • Section 3 aZrocd to. 693 lndwtatai and troyldcnr 18 ' SECTION 4. OCTOSStt 1978. Soc:rtirs BrU. 1973 • Mr. O'.%Sai!cyt I move amendment No. 1: • In paEo 4. hc;wc:n I;nes 33 and 34, to iasert the folicwing subsection: "(3) Notwithstandin; subsection (2), the Rcgis:rar may, af;er con- suttat:on with th.- Minister for A.-riculture. give a certi6cat, to a society eati;lir.g it to b: trc:tcd, for the pirpo:cs of t:u: scction. cs an a;ric:,ltsrai co•ops::.:ive soc;cty.". The amendment propos:d is in respcrsc to rcpresc^tations r.ccivcd from Lord Bainnc with tltc suppo:< of the Derart- ment of ASricu;ture. :t w:s rr;.resentcd that the de finition of "a;;cicultural co- operativc society" in su.oscctSr.n (2) miP: not b,: i aid to inaadc An ::crd Batnre Co•of::ativc Li:r.itcd as thzir mcmL•crs arc not cn~::~cd in farrr.ir.g nor do they dcri:c the principal pr.rt ef their livelil:ood from farmia;. The n:emb:rs consist mainly of aEricuitural co• oac:atives who thcrose:vcs would f_Il within the re:cv:r.t d:tini:ion.'T'l.e IAOS is a sirii:cr o:g:u.is nt:oa that would h,: covcrcd by tne arcanC.,nie :t that is propo;cd ir. the amend:,t,ntt lt has been drawn up on the lines of sec:ion 220 (2) of the Inco:n%; Ta x Act, 1967, as it is not the intention of Part II of tite Bill to causc any diflicultics for promotional or umbrcila or.-snisa:inns of the kit.d I havc mentioncd which do not accept deposits. It has bc:n d:ciaed to t:ccom- modate their exclusion on the lirtes which they have suggested. Mr. Kclly: I wondcr if the purpose.of the amcndmcnt is to try to shorc up what seems to be a wca:cr.css i:t the scc- tion, as I roir.ted cut in the d:bate on Sc- cond St:,~'c, i8 rci,arti to the uca oZ t"c word "ictsuLscar.tial". It scc.r.ed that perhaps the power which was bcing given to thc registrar was cxpressly in• tendcd to c:npowcr him to exercise u.lis• crction In rc;ar.l to what was substantial and what was not. It did rot occur to rnc that it mieat have a sri:ci: c pt:rposc in rc;ard to one boly, :ucn a:; tc : Ir:inistcr has mendoned. 'I'; ; rlinistc:'s c^,cnd- ment does 8ive the registrar a disp%:nsiny power in rczartl to the criteria which the r . 50094 2180 694 section contains. There is no IImit on the dispensing power. It is not even required that the body whicy hw shou!d bc dis- pcnsinr. should have any a?ricultural co ::plexioa to its tc;;vitia, e.cn to the ex:czt that Bo:d 1::.:rr.c hcs. if the h:inis:cr's a:nc :dmcnt becomcs 1aw I am not goia; to oppose it, bt:t I sltould li: e him to think about it. If tlte amendment becomes law it will cmpowcr the registrar to create an r.rtitcial construc- tive r._r,ricultural co•o:.rativc ar.d not suoj_ct it to :ny rcq::irc:r.x; ::zct the body ban ; cxci:tp:id shou:d hct•c any azrict:aural opcratiar,s a Grst, scccad or a: any hand. Ilvor.dcr whethcr the Minister would consider cxtcr.dir,E this amendment, perhaps oa Report St::;c, so tts to impose some kind of litnit on the czcrcisc of this oth:rwis: gcacral dis- Pcniiag Fowc: coaeincd in the rcois:: ar's d:scrcdon. Mr. O',~talt;y: Th: Dcputy's argu- ment pre-sup,•wscs tharthe reststrar will dclib:ratcly 8o out of his way to fnd soc:ctics ~t•;ach havc nothing to do with in oreC: to :xCS.;t t!lCi::. Th:kt is not tlt: ca:c at aa. Ii,: is on:y !:o- in; to tae the povrcr; in a case such as l3ord iia:nr.e or the IAOS, an : cn ly af;cr consu!t::tion with the b:irastcr for Arrictature, which, in practicc, nicz.is with tl:c aSrcemcnt of the 1\tir.istcr for AFricul:urc. 't'hcrc is no question of non- n-'riculturt! soc::tics bc:ng cxem;.t:d. The retistrar is t hcrc to cx::cis': .•,:s powcrs i:t tac public K: wou:d not be scrvinr., thc public in:crest if ho used (ttc powcr in the way in whi.h the Deputy suFc,cSts he mi-,::t uac it. That would be an abusc of his powcr and would not have the eons:nt of the Mini;tcr for Agri.u!:urc. hlr. Kcily: I t f,:cc that i: wou!d bc r.n ^buse of t;t;: poN•cr.'I'I:e law rc;•o:ts, as the h•tinist;r knows, arc full of cxarip:cs of perfectly rc~pcctablc administr.uivc organs and autaori::cs of a:l kir.ds, in- cludin3 p;.op:c of ;.t Ica~.t the s^ntc di,!ni;y r.a the Rcristrar of :•ricr.d!y Suc.ia:us who ;ttvc c:cc:cscd thcu pow•ccs, .-.:)t in th: latcr but in the s,:;,it bccauss the stctuto: y provi:ic:a whic:t they wcrc opcrauno was not drawn tiahtly nnd clearly cnnltt;h to .V. .
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50094 2181 687 Tobacco Productu BIIj ( Dr. IIrowne.) 18 tXrot+c,rt 1978. 1978: Scoon4 Staye 688 strangs :,n:5ivalence cxists, as expressc3 by the Miniatcr and as applies to most of the commuaity-tltat ho hores those who smo:cc and who wish to continae to smoke w•iil not feel that they arc being unduly ducriminstcd ag:.inst, that he is not entitled and has no wish to intcrfcrc with the ti;;ht of any eitizcn to decide whether or not tte or she will s:noke. That is a fair and liberal statement, but is it not true that ..•c ta:;e this pov:cr in certain eircumstances whcrc we are dealino .vith what 'is no: a so:i;:lly ac- cc;+:ed dru;c. Iike marijuana? Wc say "Yuu may not"; inJ.ed, some pcople say that people should go to jail for sn:oking marijuana. That is absurd. The eace ab:,iast ci;arette smu;<ing is eom• p!e:dy un_ns.ver=b:e, suppartcd by evi;:.^:c ito:a u:1 over the .vort;!, from a:l the re;+:aatlc resear:a boJ:as in the M•or:d, :`e l:r.::rJ Sta:cs. .'.uai» :,nd Europe. Yct th: M.+aistc: tnakcs tiu cx- trao:ilinary statentcnt tha: hc does not wish to to be d»c:i:rtinains against t!tose who smoke ei;arc::rs. Wtty arc w: eontent :o be so s; eci:ic :bout ort: an d withhold cny kir.d of rcatri:tioa or li:ni:a:ion from the :lt:ur, or feel that V:r must? P~~s::bly thc answer ia in the reply to a qua::on on thc amount of cxeisa on eiearettes. In 1950 it was .E!3.5 mi!lion and in 1977 it was 177.6 mi!lion. This must be the reason why this Fiill is so comp!e:c:y in- aJcqu=:e in its objcctive. Years ago the Govcrnrncr.t w•c:e unw::ling to do anyt!:ir.o :.bou: it, usin; th.: cxcusc that they d:d not know enouZh. The 1.S:+:is:cr is z+vin,c, us much the :.am: ar,swcr to- day, but he is going to a littlc more trou- blc to the incrua which he :hares with thcsc other people. Mr. 1l_c5hey: The D:puty is a vcry dishonest man. Dr. Brow•r.c: I have hcard worse, from more rcliablc people. The ditliculty abckut this whole tnb,,%c_ co dch:.sc a:l through t!,c yccrs hcs uc.n not unly the c0ormn;+s but the vcs:e./ ir.tcrest .t:~tt .^.;~plies to (ilc nuws,~: Jl::t as they bui:J up cun:rul in vtwus of the Ldtlctic bodica, quitu obviously thcy exerc!senotimis coit- trol through advcruu ,;;• Lcyccuc 1n the ncu sF i;h ~ s`.Th : resuit of ( hat •isll at, the po5i:y of the editors, whatcvcr the N•ork- tt.t, ;ournalist may fcel, is th--t nca a lot will bc s:,id about the real traLedy to so tnany I:cop!c of the ci; arc::c industry. ~ The iswc has been p::ycd down. I re- calt ntany othcr tissurs down throu; h:he ycars that were given the hcadti::cs in the Ercnirr,, Press or the £vrnir:g !leiuld. For instancc, when som;thin; ha; ccned in Summcrhill we tticre rradc aware of it. We rerd of the vand::ism or of the young thu;;s. The ucw:p:;)%:rs • con- ccntr:.tcd on issues ah3ut Mlt:ch they c-au1d bccome hysterical sr.fcly. It was cor.sidcred all right to hunt r.op!e who did not rea:ly tr.zttcr-tl:: your.3 and the u+:Jcrpriv: c!~cd. Such 6sucs were safe tarZas far t':c ncws~+r:;S but we csa b.o sure this i:otri;,:e story tae has tolJ us v ii'. r.ot t::a h.z.!.'i:+:s. tais story uf d:a:h, of su:'.cr- ir:o, losa of parcnts, loss of o:l.tr loved on:s, c:isab::ity, the nt:mbur of beds oc- ct:pie:l unneccssa:rly, the w;rki:,g days lost to th: c,.untry ar.d so o:t. Such a story wocld ir.terfere with the revenue in respect of the mass circulation of the newspapers. Mr. Ilau;hcy: The Dc~uty cannot oc-' cusc nte of conccc:i::g t: c facts. Dr. Urowne: I thought I had done my huntbtc bcst to dca: thorouC'.ay with the N;inist.r irr this rc;;a:d. The harsh ret:fity is thc: the press crc vcry pov:;rful. If they wc;c to turn tl:c I;rszt guas, the go:d,:n pens of these re:na;ltnbly ta:cntcd men and wamcn in jot:rnali;tic life in 1rcl; ad a^: inst ci;,arctte s:no~ing to attyt!ti::,- likc thc catent to which they have turned thd.lt an1in5t. other iYsues down tisou;h the years, th: Minister wou:d have no problcot in res;•„ct of his cf:'.uts to p:rsu:.1e ir:o~lc to ttp s,::okiny, th: cffo:~ 1:e is niai;:+tE in th:s r:.thc:r indaGaite end cquivocal way in the itill. We will not have (l:c support of tltc r.ew_pa~,rs becata: ta.y arc as Glacktr.::i'w ax •is the Minister in tcrrtts of rev.::u+c• The rcvcnue to the I:.%chc- qucr as a re:.t.lt of ci,;r.rcac s:,:.s is of thc orJ,r of .E7') million tvhik: rwcaue to tha newspapers is of rtbout the s::mc ---~ • 639 Tobacco Produe:r BII4 18 OCToOL•a 1973. 1975: Seeor.d Srage 690 amount: ConscSucntly, the :ICwsFapcrs have a vested interest in remaining silcnt. NewspaNrs have a powerful inf:uenec for good b•at it is a power that thcy chose not to exercise. Th: `lini:tcr h: s proc!u:cd a par- ticulaay oriliiaat ineictn;cr.t of tl.o. wltalc question of ciLar.re smokir.: bttt I col- lcctcd a few pc)ints which, at t.".c 641. of borin ; the l lousc, I st•,o-+ld Ii1ac to put on the rccord. :.ty invc:ti,^,ationi indicate that the total incidence of1unS car.ccr in any couatry Is rclat.d d::c¢t/y to the rmount c+:.f durr.t:oa of ci,:a:cttc str•o;.- ing, t!:at r.tany tests have shown tti+:t the lun, fur•aio:t of ci;t:r ;:c sr.tol:crs is im- paired in cve:y kncwn resp~ct compared with non•smo.l•ers. In ac:dition c;.:nbin_d recert evidcncc strcacth.cs the view t`.at cioaro;:c ar,tukin;, is a ma;or factor in both fatal and r.on•f;a,:! :nyo•c ar'ial ia- fcc:ian, ::ct:::y botlt ttr.d Ti:e in.:d".ce of p.r:ic ulcers ix t~:icc as 1:il:h in s n:o1,c;s coar p:.rcd with non-smokers ancd in respect of pre,;aancy there is a si; aif+cantly hiEhcr pcrinatal death rate Hi:1 other f:tcto:s compared with non•-,mo!:.,rs. ' That is tl:e Fory rccord of the ci; arcttc indust:y in our society. Th: Miniaer ars his prcdccc,;sor en.!cavoured to deat with the prc.blen by rxay of a count:r-,^dvc'isin;; cai:p aiSn but it was futilc for them to try to o;:t_1o the great ;.lh:lq,c•Qron:ts %%-;th tl:rir un- IiriteJ vcr'yi:~.''cuT<to un;.'crs:::^~ why the t•Sir.ix:cr who has tttc 5ackin,r, of a-:.jority of 20 in Govcrnr-,.ent-sor-..eta!t:g which was not enjoyed by his nrcJecessor•--did r.ct clamp down on cigc:: cac advcrtising. i Instead, a lot of mc ncy has bcen sa;•nt ( usclessly without thc s!+;hcst hope of influcr,cing even a nllnor:ty of c:rarcttc smok;n. I r.ti~ht ads th: t w•atc`.ina the ' aJvcrtis_t:,e:tts o;poasored by the ! Dep.rt+acnt ther•e we:e tia:es w:;cn I did not knwi s.h.tll,:; they wcre in favour ; of or uz--inst s:r.okin g hdccusc of their b:in„ so ccu:voc:.l and, to me anyN•ay, confu::c.l. The mancy spent in this way by tl:., Da, srtmcnt in 1976 was about f11S,OCO. !n 1977 th: fi;.urc was t3S0,0G0 tv;tilc the last f:;,ttrc 1 have for the ar.tount s;:cr,t by the cigarette rcoplc in this way is .C4 million or ulmost tcn to or.e. . One of the intcresting dcvclo,^ments in cigarette smc:<inL has heca the tcr.:cr.cy on tt:,: part of do::o; s to give up -:r.ok- ing. It is not dcfinite wh,thcr this is bcc ;us- tl:cy know what it is like to die of h.nz car.cc: or whc;hcr they b.:cnb to a"1:i;1:cr cduca:ion»I Srou?' as th%;y ::c described in the survey. I am not sure wtmatcr that is true. Mr. l'lau;;heyt As I am not a doetor, the Deputy need not apologisc to mc. Dr. Lrownc: It is intcres;!n; to find that p;oplc in the lo•wcr eoucationaI c:t;cLo:ics tcrd to sn:ok: more t:.:,n others. As an cx•smok.r I a;+prcciatc the diAiculty of givinE u;l ci;,arcucs and also of resistia; the t;mp:::tioa to smol:c a;nin. Nicotirc c: n bc c:cscrii:cl as one of the dcp.:.c!cat dru^.s. It dcvc:ops to that A:aoc:a:c:d with w;t:•wraw•:.l ttre sc:cli syntrto,:is :ts ansicty, irri;..bi!:;y tr.J nr:vousnc:s. 'fl:: un:o: tu.^.:~t= Fcr.;.l,: who arc doi;:_ tl,cir bcst to :ontrol tl:cir r..urosis, wh:ch is what cigarette smoking is, wiJ reach for a ciw!:c t they arc t:psct or di;- tur;,cd or ur.i.r F:csi~re. I wouiJ t+c cei:;,iacit to ,isc tl,: t?.. 1.:-lic~t p:;:i: c 1,ir tbis Bill if it N•::s nit ,.o col+iously tc to~~a:d wi;lt those nru%i:os ans cac::1:•: C!ausa. 1 atn afr::i.i I.r.l too lon- in politi:s to take the gouJ..::i cx- pressud by lv:ir,istc:s at any p;::ict::ar tin:: :n relation to :.ity Ti:a they migt•t intro:f ucc. Mr. E.au;l:cy: Or give aay credit. Dr. Brownc: I am ;,ratcful to the hiir•is;cr for coming into thc llousc to support mc with the dw;.;:atir.; cOl!cc- tion Of fccts L•: hta t:]zde ava:l^bic to us in which h: built up a ccmp:::cly t:n- ar.s x:rab:c ca.:c :.ftcr 25 yc: rs ::ncc I bc;:u: talkin, --bcut this itt 1953. 1: is some help th:a the Mi nistcr ha trou,ht in th:s documented casc a,:ina ci; a:c:te smof~int; but I am vc:y di:appuir.t:d t!tat he has not hatt the coura;e to c:o r;ore th:%n ti+at. I h.Ccvc if hc I:ot su^::icr.t cn- cou:r.;:ntent fro :1 his co;ka;ua tllat he ~~•o:I:d hivc given us a v:or:h-w:li!e !:i:I. This Ili!l, as I said in my or;n:n-, rc,t:arks, is a:l :hadow aad :hc:c is no substarce in it• It certainly will not achievc thc objectivcs I havo. » . . • . ' . .. . __~.» _..... .. . .
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r 6Y3 Tobacco Prodrets 2114 (Dr. Browne.] _. _ _ - . _ -*,--"* •. _ K i o~x l'u wi•v7 18 OCToau 1978. '1978: Srcond Store 684 s~- that we, the State, the eommunity, iri various w•ays, dircctly or indircctly, shou/d provide for thcsc thinvs. In the first instancc' it is a fraudt:l:rt non- cxisting -cr.:rosi:y. 2ut even tf it was not it is most improp_t tkat t-c s!uu!d pcr- mit this cor.tin::ed sponsorship. The Ministcr go:s on to say that he will rcitrict expenditure in thcse a:cas. That mcans nothir.v at all: take six p:nce off, a saillinp, or five shi!iino,s, aE or t 1A-0-if l.c would stop cxpcadi:ure in thcs: ar:as Mr. Itauohcy: Would the Deputy ae- eeyt frcezing it? Dr. hrownc: No. As I pciatcd out to th: `.!ir.:;ter r:ccnt:y-I Jo r.ot know M:ahcr it r.:.s a tnoi: inso!.n: rc!)u:T to : a itu ~1.o saC..e:hi nc abaut tata-w!:cn. w::k :atr scc/c. bath th: !'i:ts znJ Su/:»~. ca:r-.cd crloraucs tc:hnico:o:.rcJ adt•cr- tisc:r:cnts by the toh :c:o companies. TI.:.t x;racJ to r./c :o t•c ~ ouan; thc in- c'icatiun Liv.•n by the Mar.ii:cr that he w 2s orpa.:d to this ki.^,J of thir:.+, ar.d that wc wc:c opposcd to this LinJ of tl:i:1; in bwrc. '!'c: l:.•el of cr,;cndi:~rc at present is much too hi;h. I am afraid the Minis:cr must f.:ec the faet that mercly restricting particu!:.r kinds of adva u,:n;;, limitSr~ cap:a~::urc by unsti:cd an:ot:n;s or con- tro:lin~, the form and cor.wnt of tobacco advrrtisin; mcans nothing. Mr. Ilauyhey: It does. Dr. I:rownc: It means nothin-. I have list~•nc~ to all of this before wl:cn wc set up a cnmmittce to "vct" the vsrious advcrtiscm:nts. . Mr. Ilau;,hcy: 8ut we wil! now have lcoislation; that is the dificrcncc. Dr. Itrownc: Within t!tc lcgi_lation we arc no r.carcr thc proai5it:on of advcr- tiscrncnts or of sponsorsh:p. 1Vc are simp:y tv-.ndo•w•dre:•sir.;; in ordcr to f1•.cc up to t::c ccality tt:at the easc t:;ainst cq,,.,r:ae sntc.ktno has b:com: so ot•crwt::lming that not to do somctltin;, about it would amount to a major scan-• dal even in this dociie, passive and, in these things, permissive socicty where anythino goes as long as thcrc is money in it. .%1r. Y.au;hey: The Dcpa:y ask:d for lebislation l:st ,lur.e. Now he has it and he does not even offer a word of welcome. The Deputy accused me of cowardice last .1uno for not bringing in 1c;isl:.tion. , Dr. Ilrownet There is leF?slation and Iee-ulation, for Heaven's sake. Mr. FIaaZ!scy: You cTn do aa 4ou wish under thra lcgul:aton. Dr. Grownc: Yes, but it is not what I wish that will get done; what the Atinistcr wishcs wi11 vt donc. Mr. Ilau•`hcy: Th: r.e n to do ar.•thir~ I wi:h; it is totally :ornr:cncnstvc. Dr. IIrownc: Why has the Minister not taken the pott:r? Mr. 1(au;;hcyr I have taken the power in the lc?islltion. The Deputy ihould rcad the iAll. Dr. Iirownet I am retdin: tho Minister's speech Nhica is much mor•c informative. Mr. Hauohcy: The Bill gives total powcr to do anything we wish. Dr. Brownc: And do r.othin3 at:.11 if you cqtta!lv wish. The `Iir.ister has a responsibility to us to cxpla:n the rccsons for the vagu:ncss of the Jiil. Indc:d, any a;tcatptcd inc:ictmcrt of the tncrua and i^action ia thi: has rc;:Uy b:.::t ta~,:n from the ::iuistc:'s own statcr„unt. that ita::;.t cs mc is the e:. ~ma;ic nnd cU:ious hch.tviour of virtually all Dcputic. •Xith the cxctption of a f:w-D~:puty O'Con• ne11 and pcaj ;a like t:,a :-and the po.citivc hystc:ia thcre is ai;out tas i.ica of dcug audiction, th : p:: pos:.ls to cs- taL•as!t all sorts of reh:cs.avc la•Ns, rcoulations, ins,itut;ons und proltibitions against drugs. 50094 2182 - 685 Tobacco Piodlctr BRG 18 Oeroaert 1978. 1973: Secord Stare ' 636 We hecrd it today in the Ilouse in rcla- tion to marijur.na. Ti:crc has bcca ,t rcrJ witchhunt over the y:ars in rc!ation to young dru,^, addicts. As far as I cm con- ccr: cd I ta::c up r.o moral ta:i:uc!c what:vcr °l.out ciga:c:tc Ci;arct:c smo`crs arc ycor c a::cmacins. to deal .+it:l tlt:ir neuroais, I:cu;.'..•z wi:h an cmotiun.tl problcn. and they dcal ~.i:h it b• t:!:ir.L a su_k on a Tite ori~in in Frcudim~ tr:as tt•ould l:c the ch:!d who sucks os ::tc t~:c: st ct:a the cnorc !tc is tae t;.;;en cc sucks :o or1. Ci~=rc;:tc s::ui::r; cca be reiatc~ b:c:k ta ry v:ry p:i::l:tivc r.c:d in an individual and for that r:a:on I would never judge th.:m; one is aaswer- in4 a need, as sor.t:bo3y clse uc..ls a drink aad somebody clsc nc.<is i:crcin and sorr:bo:l.v cl.c n.cds Tltcre is a hyp:r,;ritic::l : ttitt:w: an:on;, many Dt:;J:Ns :o t~.~hc ; .r: .zr _ . o fi:1~.s t!.i• Itt: n.:~.s tV sl'L1•b i.n th..:J v:ZyY ta.lt ..: t:o' .••C."'- ablc ard th;rc is atot•:.'1y co:n;t:cccnt attitudc by the san:c Deputies ::. rc! ::ion to ci.1ar;ac sn:o ;i: L. As wc halrc : costs us r.a cnor.-uus :rt:ot:t:t t:.* r..o,t:y. '1'he Nfinistcr's iae:: 5:.t:rc is sr•r.t: in tt: rct;i,;r uf £•15 ini;!ion. rs:,: itis probably ntorc ttaa that. I will .lit ress for a r.:on;:r.t to deal with somaltin; raiscd by D:puty O'Connell in rc!:;tion to cxp cnliture. I refer to an cnswer I Sot ycswr; ay from the Taoisa,cit's Departmwr.t coacccn:ny advcrtisirt- costs zn.•'. so on in r:i: tion :o ciyar.ac T: e T aoi::ach ssid that the int•ormatina r:qucF:d •.v;a r•ot availab!: since no offici :1 s=ries are eorrt- pile.i rclati,t~ to adt•cnising cx~:ndiwre on parti-;ular commcditica. The ;.linistcr gavc the irapres!.ion that he knew how ntt:ch nton;y was ls:inl; rlthou;:!t 4n o:casicns I ltave as:ccd t:tc 11t:pa:cmcnt of Ilc.Jth how much they spcnJ ar.d I have n,;v:r Zot anything more thart w!iat thcy caa a gucss. . i ! t - Mr. Fiau11t:cyt Urdcr this L'iii 1 will be cnt~.t:c:f to get this information frsm the tobacas cor.:panics. I:t adv:acc of ths !ci15Iltion I ttave ;.lrecdy obta!i;d thcss: fi,ures front the tobacco co:nparlics. I know thcm exactly now. Dr. Iirowne: Up to this c,.'ternoon I was unab!c to get thtm fro:n the Dcpart-' mcnt of Hcalth. That is odd, is it not? M.r. I:augh.y: Docs t:u D:puty ac- cept what I ara s:yi.E? Dr. Itrownc: Of course, but I did r.o: get thcm. Mr. llaugSey: I now know exactly what the tobacco eomFa.zie: spend on advcrtisiai. Dr. .:rct.cc: Y:: on I1 Octo6,cr I asred the Taois:ach this question a:.3 he said ha did not know. Why did the Minictcr not tcA the Taoiscach? Mr. l:aa;;hcy: :T.is info: mat:o:t wu to adv;i^c: tle ta5 :,v,is:a- tio.^- for ir: ;ufpo:e,of this l.;js:>'.:icn. Ur. l3:aa•nc: It is gett'sr.g more sad more curious. Mr. F:: :aghcy: It is not; it is pcrfcctly Dr. P.rov.:u: It is not ::•:rct in.'o::na- tion. I s:;ould h:,vc -ot it, as it v.oJd proba'oly have helped mc in this debate. Mr. Ifaughcy: Thc Dcpt!ty knows wcll that it is not irforr.ta,orr sup?:;cd to the no: n:al statis:ic :.' se:vice cf the Govcrr.:r.cr:. It is ir.fo:rnct:on Li%•c:t to i1:c in of tl•is :.iil ~.d the Ccntrca Stadstics Ufiice wou!,: not be aH•arc of it. There is nott•.iag mysterious. Dr. tirow•nc: I do not sce why Deputy 0'Conn:11 artd the rest of us should not havc had access to that inforr..:.-~:rsn. 'I'1;a: is a cusntcat to rtaic. I was c::alin;; with tn, hyfxrcr;uc=l at• tituJc of socic;y to this Sscs:ic1t of' dru,^,s. It invd.vcs my pruf,:ssion. I 1:avc frc.;ucr.tly Wcn :oiacw!i: t r.muscd to ::c o:te of ray coll:a,;:ics ad•:i:ir,,; ::oatcbc.L:y to -ivc up one or the o:h:r of thcsc cin:L-s•xla:c he is bualy st::!:ial; away on t: a•~acute uncL•1c to dc:d wi:h hi: own In rcl::;ion to o.rr ct- ti;udc to ciEarcae smokin;; the ~rlir.i.;cr says-and this agr.in is wh:rc the . . ...
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. t 1 t . . 679 ToDaeoo Piodrea 8U4 [Dr. Browne.l 19 OCTOaut 197E, 1979: Serond Ssnrt 6t:0 very cla5orate public relations activity. That is oa: of the dcpressing f:atures of mod:rn pciitics ar•d tht last ciraioa saw that. 1':: haJ an incrcasit:;; dcvc!op:: c: • of Amc:ic:at•sty:e ;.o!itics wiacrc a lot of moncy was spent obfuacating the real is- sces and cfr4=ively mialcadir.g thc pco- pic into thinking that what thcy are be- u.; told is something %hi:hh is really go- ing to miti;ga:e thutf prub!etns or deal wlth the issu,s nwu of tht:.n f:u:c In tl:cit lis'es. This prolb:eat is nt least 25 years old. The ,::nistt:r read his own unaaswcrable litany of the inJictntent against ci, art:ttc smotany in :.ny soaccy. I would 1a:e to read p:.n of it a;,ain. 11c told us that the 31 st \.'orlcl l:csalt Aascnb:y sai3 that •'Toba:co sa:okiay is a n::.jor c:usc of chru-i: b:cir.:: itis. catp:ysama anJ IunL can.:r ard 6 a maj:u : i..: f::c:or in hcart atta:k,, :;xtu r~;l: tcd d::.)rJcrs anJ other scrious hv.tlth prublrats", and th.y caL'c.1 on all r..emb:rs to tal,c ac- tion. !lc reminded us that- In 1975. there were 1,191 &:ans frutn lunP canccr.... 70 per c:nt cf thcsc deaths arc attributc+blc to sraok- tn;. Hc said that in 1975 250 dcaths In the actis•e age Kroup 35 to 64 werc causcd by chronic bronchitis and 175 of tl:csc wcrc tuributa5lc to srnoking. tic v:cnt on to aay that- Coronary heart discasc causrd 9,795 deaths in the same year. Thcte arc a nuntbcr of factors associatcd with such dcat;ts but it is acccpt:d thct ci:,,::rctt: smoking is a major caus:itivt: factor ar.d ovcr 1,000 of t.`.ese d:aths ::a bc :,ttribt:ted to it. Let us clcarly acccp:. thcrcforc, that in 1975 at lcast 2,th"A Irish men and womcn .fiod bccause thcy smokcd. And thcrc is no rcason, un- foccunaa:ly, to be!icve that the number would be any less for 1973. Ile wcnt on to say: It has been cstim_ted, for example, that as a direct result of smokinF over 6,500 people between 25 and 74 re- + quired hospital treatment in 1977 and that they spent ot•er 100,000 bed-days in ltospttal in that year. The hospital admission C:rures are, of cours:, the tip of the ... in the r:r.:ra medi:al scrv:ccs over 70,000 cal:s on Scr.cra! p:act:tioners arc the direct :esult of smo»utg. tic then told us that thc total number of wo:king, days lost throuch tohacco •rs- sociatc.t il:ncsses tt'ot:id cost £3o million und thc cuat uf «catin; the ~i_easa wo:::;f t:e t1S nti:::on w:::5 t::L:ion. Lca.•ing tsidc d:s- ability, lost maa working daya, cost to the State, cost to the service:, nvcidable occupa:ion of hospital beds, clinics, out- p:t:cnt dcprrtmeats, bcr.cr:1 p:a z::or,cri tutu ar.cd scrvics, f-4S m:!!ioa ts'ou:d be ( spunt oa sumet:an; which ir totally , I I:.vit: c1;i•'en us •hat rceitation of itor- ' ror-as llzputy O'Con n.lt said, lung canccr is a particularly horrible dis- easa---the Minister then went on to t;11 us that hc is going to do littlc cr nothing about it. - Mr. lLlt:zhey: That is nut true. The Deputy shou/d not mis!c:.d thc Nouse. Dc. Ikosenc: The Minister's spcech En.:s on to say:, I st•ou!d like to make it cl:ar that tt is not my in:cr,t:o:t to in terfere with existi:to sponsorsl:ips.... I ~:d not say hc was doiaa r•othing. I sa:d he was doing Lttlc or nojua,,. Tl.is is the answcr of at,:sponsibl: Minister who told us that ciguret:c smoking is the sourcc of so much dist:ess in society: I would likc to make it c1c:+r that it is r.ot my in:cncioi to int:rf:re w::h existing sponsorsttips to any great c:x- tent., . • 631 Todecco Producn DA4 . 18 OCTOSen We have been waicir.g a long tim: for this I3i11, at least a ycar. Why has th s not been done up to now? Why did tti: Mir.ist"r necd a 13:11 in order to go into the cxtcat of sales prorr.otion? There arc two th:a„s I wclcoatc. Mr. li_ucltcy: Gaud:amus. Dr. Browne: "Alt forms of ptttdoor pa wlcr.. wu'C.Ti..' siyq.4 pi:a sc ~ c)at .anJ,by tl : c::.t of t.,:•; cu", Th:.t ~"u con• I • £r:rtul:,t: ti:c Aaaisc:r on takir.L th;6 d:ci- sion to do that. i':c>utr.ably that inclada all forms of advcrtio:nZ in the caxcs mcn- tioned by Deputy O'Conncll at sports venues of one kind or another. Mr. H.u f, :eyt Ycs. ' Dr. C:o:t•nc: I cor..r~a:u!:.tc the ?.Iiaister b.%;zus: ti:at wau en;e of the previous w::ys in which t::zy £ct round the advcrticing prohibitiJ:ts. Also wcl.cr•t: are tttt: prol:oxa, r, in r:lation to C1E-aski^~ thcm w do wL'nt they can to ston sr::kia7, or t: 'aa havir., no ho:c:ir:s, h;alth boards a.td l:aspi l.:s. This is Ic:n; overdue b:,t it is wcl.:or,:c that the hfin;s:er has taken the d:ci:.ion to use thes.: pOSrcr;. that thc Sti;tist.r for Finance cannot i:ucrfare a•Ith their i,n- plea:cat: tion. 'I'h:s is ray case. Those "p:.~;~~sa1s arc minimrl. 1'L•cy arc rc:ats•cly in;lte:tivc in tl:eir ov:rll er.cct on the very ros+•er- ful zdvcra~a,aents which il,: ;Ginis:cr i3 Cuir.g to conar.uc to : ilow, bccau.: this Gill is goin; to prohibit only l:articulnr • kinds of acivcr.isinz and sponsorsh:p. Was thc M.ut:%tcr cont;.a!c.f to brin, in a Bill of this kind b:c::usc of the 15th rcpor, on raizl:::c!::t;, and unfttiir a<fs•:rta- in•^~ of the Joint C.u:n:ttilt:c on S'Scil.1- dory Le;islatien of the Europ:an Com- mun;tics? 1'ihcn he ta11;s aboct par- ticular kinds of advertisin? I prusu:,%a ho is talk:no about advulisiti£ which would be mislcc .'in3, that is, the a:ts•erticing u.cd a!l :!:row,;h O.c yc.:.:s v:h:ch wc:: grosay mislcac:ing, tno:ou~l.:y di.• hoa:at, Itiyhly ir.:r,:nrcl, rnoa tmpro;:cr, but in 0.4 pursua of profits rcrit:c;iy 1x:r- missib!c ut our wcitcra capt:yta soci:tics. , d Mr. llaughcyt At present. Dr. Itrowne: Why r.ot at present? ~ what are we svaitiug for? f•Ie said latcr: -_ ; I wi!: ro carcfully into thc extent of the sa;cs prontotion of :o5ncco products cngaLQd in duriny the event sponsored. ' • 1979. 1973: Sa•ord Srars 6L2 Certainly v.zth regard to the GAA, which has such a very hi•r,lt .stand:r.; in our so:iety v:ltich rcpr:s:n:s so much of the val:aiwc cctis•itics of yuun.- Fco?'c in t::c w: a!c of ru:::: :.:td u:ban, a v:.y M•::1 organi::ed and coatro::c3-it has a.'ways struck ntc as short si~ntcd to say the least, and irresf.ursibtc, at the worst, that they have allowcd tl:crosclvcs, for tlte ssl:c of sponsorsh:p, to give yottn;;~:crs, yot::t,^, sfonct:::n, th: wca t!tat l::i; f:n: the wao:c qtwaioa of tae i:::a of ci;;ir• c:ts sn:o:;ir,~ cnd Iu.s subscr':.::1 to th: propaZza6'a suc:xs:in; tl:at it s-.-as not rettlly a bad or Jar,;crous th?rS. Ccrtan• ly for yc:1s I have had to put up wit!t thttt-that tl::y could szt:ly srncl:c e•Jarettc+ Tl:a is s7lint sro: sJ1'~iUp by t:::. Cf11'A and o:;ur c::::c::c bcc~a has s:.rs:rib:..i to cvcr the )': :s. t!• :t ti:: :a Ar.sa::ur d.cll: u,c 3? :i: ~^ s~.>nsorsaip. I baicvc the G~1A sho:,:J a1;o dr.ia all qu_.:ion cf :p~:ao:sit:p and d:c::nc :o ins•,,lrc Oi coi;rs: th: . it!- of is frsu;lu::at ci:.ii;t t•; chcs: :ot:ac:j cor.t- th:.t th,y have t`e in- trrcst in the w::f::rc of tl:c cu7cr:nt organisitions, wL•cttxr it be a Sultin;, as• suciuticm, thc l:orsc racing in,lu.try, thc G.1A or any of tL•c other a:!::etic itut:tu- tiuns st•aa •Al:icti tl:cy 1:et int•oirc-., and for wi•.ich t!tey shcasw: ca:Tcrcrt ae- tis•ili:s. It is N'eIl I:nJN•ti that t?:crc n:c trx rcb:u:s on the fuads spen: on a:hc inE. in f_ct, as with .li adrer:ising, it is tl.c consumcr ..'l:o pzy's. It c:uc% not cost the ?.lr. Carroil's, thc Mr. Pia;:cr's, the Afr. :Yi!!s, ae Mr. Go:a or who:ver thcY F+~:csy :a s;,onsor these v;,r:ous athlc:ie ectiv: zs. On the corttrar)',. tiley \i:il;:ly t:lc it as a Yc:y valuablc and etYective aJvcrtisinq des•ice, rctting roun.3-as Dcputy O'Conncll sa:d-thc or;.'inary n:wsp.:prr c :vcnis• ir.;, ending up wi;h thc supp ort of tv:o2le w::o sttuu:d 1w no•e• b:ac: ar.d wao :hc.IS nc: h: vc a.tyatinC to do with th;r.t at all. Furt.`.a:, it is quite wron; thc.t an o:.ra.tic_-aon likc t!.e CAA, a Lo!tin a ts- socicaian or racing lc should go la::.irtt for this f;irtd ol slocLar.hip or
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' 50094 2184 673 T(oBacro troducu DW, 1 Dr. O'Conneli. J 18 Oe7otu:tt 1973. 1973: Second Srare 676 smoking. His campaign is having an ef- fcct and does not cost any money and that is why I am in favour of it. Ifo:vcver. I would like to sce the lrtinister earryiag it one stcp further by in%:itL;t;ng a"\'o smokinf" wcck in cn- eourc.;:ng pcup:_ to ov.rco:ne ciLarctt: smu:.inr• l..t ua have s.:mc re:ca:ch into how this could bc done. It is intpanant to rid the eom:nunity of this obr,oxious habit. Thetc arc all sorts of gi:nrtticks, gadrea and dru:;: :o hap pCop:c ;ive up , smul,tr.b aad wc shutad try to find some w: y to h;Ia pzupl%: who arc at:lictcd wi:h th: obr.jt:ous i::1bit. We are not tryiag to :ur:.ut thcir f:ac"lom, but we co:: 4.,. far tnst c.::, cr.cou: .bc insurr.nce com- panics to r.licr a rc5atc to pco?:c who do nut amckc. Wc couid gu or.e at:;e f6r-hcr and in adl-lition to havEn '•Xo smulliap' zor.cs in p!anrs anc: so on hai: hJ:,r on Il:~ita v.!:cr• tt,:rc t•. r•J S:t:1a::p N•^aW:e:. s.r•:::. t:cys oi ca.u: ra~i :; I W t:7\c L•t) CIS:rC.tc). }11il7:.g a '•~~O :rUvwt::J" IJ:Ie ts rot Cfl•:l::ive in itsc:~ I -wouIJ !,f,U to sc: cir.cr:.a; and o:h:r p:,5:ic ;'.2ces havine al! surts of w:,;rs to discot:r:.ec it and to rnake it :tp- p:.;r thut it is a habit otYcnsivc both to hc:.lt:t and so.i:dly. I ask t!:: Mi,rs:cr w:;4t :cr thc 1:aa of the '::orLl Crr_r.:,:,tion i. t,ar.g soul; u oy &s Hcalth .\ss.:cbiy said in h:ay of this ycar t::at thc \': f t(1 woulJ bc wi!!in': to assi,t Gu.'crnrncnts in any way possible by wry uf pr..:nc,tion:,! zc:ivi:ics to c::rry out a-' Vu smoLi:tr" carnpaiFn tnd thcy havc Frcat r•t:.,r.s at tha:ir cSaposal for (!oa:b this. I aai: the Van:ster to look into this to scc w•h.lt can bc dor,e. I am so: ry tlt:t the orii.,i.^•al intention of thc Minister has bc:n w:,:ercd duwn. I hat,c rut Lct cuauern or sy,r.;.athy for our Irislt manuiz.c.ture:s a.r.d I a:n smisr:c.1 that tlure silould bc a dcter- mtn:J att.:mpt to stop :raol:in.o alto^cth:r. C'an.t•i:r•tir.a % .:Ih t:ta in icuh nr%l.n'tnar.. It csn b<: done vcry cailf__nl• 1•o~t t•:,n: lt wou d invclvc cuititt;; out p:t;;cs ar.d so fori because wc can tcll 3ritish puLliahcrs that maga2incs and so on co.:vng into this country shou:,J not contain such advcr- tisiao. Thu sarr.e ctTect:vc trc: su:cs have b.cn taken with rccard to fqotbr.!I_,;ooIs a.r.d coa:r^c-ttivcs. Thcrc was nc l:tc ; of dcter t,::l._' ~,"T`'on the part ot' the tuthorities t.•hnn contraccpt;vcs vrcrc :. ,. advcrtis:J in Critish c: tou.they • could not cotttc i+tto this cuur.try and r.cither cou!d mat; y.inIn ndt•;rtising footual: f.ooa• The li:it;tn~t El:~h.:s s d- jus:cd t.`.ir.rs r.cenrutc•!x s Ro rc:is.::, ~~ilv ?tat cot t:f not b: don e in this c t,c• Dr. llruwnet I share D:puty 0'Con- iell's view about this t3i!l. It is rcLllsr aII shadow and vrry li;tla, substancc. Mr. ItaugScy: No wclconu? !)r, L'ruk%ne: Ycs, a. very limited w,lcomw. 'l•!r: Xfinia:cr prob•tbly t:r.ot•:s t:;at t:t:a .`•-,:: L•ccn the sub;.ct oi cun- truversy t'or a v.n• lor.g ti:ne. ! t'r.ink I star:ed as:.inr c{in :hc ra:ly 19:Us. Ccrtair,:y in 1')5? I w::s an a tsw;: by the tt,cn Mi:tis:cr, :::au:y \f :cCatdc, and I:ia cam- thcn was ti::.t, in vi.•w of the in.curnptcte and in~u`ti:icnt nc wuul.J +tut do nnything about it but h: wuu!d k.cp thc nt:,Cer ur.4a cbs;:~:aic,a. cq c:caly ?•ta:iac:s u; a:i pa:tica r:~.ltt u? :o ar•d in- ciud;ad D:puty Cori0t in thc last Gcvc:nn:ent a•c:c uatv;lIin.- or unaiac to do anything about it. I put the prc:ent Minister in thc unablc than the un••vil:ing ca:c~ory buca;u: I aus?:ct ttc has paid a lot of r.ttcntion W h:o Uep art- ntcnt. >•ic is very intcrest:d in trYing to opcra ta as a cor•.:icr.tiotia \:inis:c:. I do not ttir,k t!:is Ct;i is a si ;nificar,t ad- vnt:ce in the v;ry long struoglc a,;:.ir•st this most pollt•crtul vcst:d ir,t:reat, tl:e ci;;arcttc manuf4c:uring indus:ry. \ir• Hau~h.y: The Dcputy Is un odd man. At least we have a 21ill. Dr. Drowne: I shall try.to itcmisc the reasons for my objections. Mr. II:,uCycy: Thc Dcpu:y do:s tot give any cre: it for the fact that r.t least we have a llill rtftcr all thosa years. 677 Tobacco Prowcrr Dl:l, 18 OC'ton_n 1978, 1978: Sccond Srore 678 Dr. 13rowner It is true of Dcputy O'Connc:l and myself titat we :cccpt that we arc not ki::joys wao want to stop peoplc ct:joy:nr, thcn:scivcs and those wtto oct p fc:surc oat of slaoi:irt; because a:t of us acc:pt that sr-o'::n•r, aad, for those %% 'lto c.:n a^'.:Jit. c7•i'<:•;tilc• in is no• h•k.vc1 to :,: a to'"`Itc»(:.rits ot: y::~:.:ca: st::u. ut t that is ta: rcrious d:.n;;c: ur•J most of ou: cri:i_ism wil: be li,-.utcd to the qucs- tion of thc sp onsorsltip and salc of ci,arcaa as tc•l•:cco p:u'wucts• I as: ett many qucs:ions about this thruugl the years and in 1v6+ I in- trc.iu:c3 a t:i'~ w:•iclt rot a S oc:o.k. rc«t:ir:,r. It was discasszd for th:es or rou: days but was nv;ativcd in Fc::u:,ry I oot virtually no su?;•ort for it. If my recot- Icction is corrcct, Dep_ty Tully wac one of ta,: few p;oplc who suppo::cd tnc. ltou•cvcr, t1:c co;aist:r.cy anc ti:c uri- vct•s;.!i:y o: it,e fai!ur: of t::- diiY::e7t \fi nia:ra in the ttt:~,: major the Laoour Party. i'in: Ga~.,, .:,d Fi ::tna F;iit, is of grc:tt si;ni:i:aacc. Th:y :ti catne to l.r,ow, as much as 1 c;i1, .'.out th_ J::nyer; of ciiarca: sr~.,t:\ir.; and yet the isal,e v•f:ich I hcGevcc d; c:n::ccL this matter wa5 that uf revenue. That is ncc a cy:acat commcnt; it is a re::iistic on:. Th.- inf,ucr.cc bch:aJ cach of titc Ministcrs, the one pi.cc of I•olicy on %% hich was all•party a~rcctacnt, was that :its rcv:nue fron cisarct:c srr.o~ins was such that the s:veral Ministers for Finance waul.t r.ot pcr.nit tl,cir Minist:rs fim l:caiat to d;ny th.rn acc:ss to that source of rcv~n.c. There may bi: vari:,aon; of that r.n-livsia but b:oaCly sp:akia , it is truc. T!tzt is why I say that thc htinis:cr Gt: k:tuws this situation b.ucr than his prcccc:s- so:s, bct;cr thaa Dc;ruty Ciilders, Deauty O'liif,gitu, Dcputy \Sa:::ntcc and others. Tac Minister has up-to•dcte i:.fonna- tion of sucn a kind t4::t there is no dcny- in.. tl:c fact thw( is cvcrythin;; I ul•/i:.tcd it was 25 a;;o hut c::a n:urc tl:„n thzt. At tt:::: :in:c I restri,;t:tt tnyse/f, bascd on v:•ry fittc researcn work c:u•ricd out at O).fu:d, to :tatintt that the i.t:prss:or• I r.ot from that rescarch tro: k was tltt:t in respect of lung cancer ci;,a:ettc smoking was a , . very serious causati.•c fac:or. The thcn \!iztstcr for }:_a::h Kas his rit.`,:s in savir.g that the evidence ihen Z not convtr.cing. lie was also within Ilis riChts in utyin, that when thcrc was more con• vinciat; cvic:cncc he ~~•outd do so::::'ni tr, abou: it but hc did not du .^.aytlin.. , lo%~•cvcr, this 1Jinis;cr cannot say that. The ASini:;cr's speech is rc ra: k:.t !c in so Gtr as he has m::Jc st:ch an over.rheltning anJ unarswcrabic case for the total suppres:ion of : ny kind of adv,:tiscm:nt. Thc Minis:cr has p:.intcd a pic;ur. or sociJ and physical 4.,cvasta- aon and told us of the enormous aatount of l:uman dis;ress w;:;ch occurs as a co:tscal,:nca of cil-arcttc sr,:okin; but havi: b itctais:d c,i taosc d,va,tatir,,; truths as tye Minister resp.~n.:oic for hca!:I/, p:.:vcntivc mcd6cine and tl:e ot;tcr asp:cta of m:!icine, he c!air..cd credit fut the aU:tost irrc:ev„r,t cam• r::::;rls 2tc has intruJuccd in :ciat:on to n;.:iw:al t:: :ax anJ r o.lcr :;i; r, i,t «la- tlOn t0 tlle co::stt:•^•pito:t of •:!:o11oI. • ':it: %:iaist.r is not n:a:.in;; ~.ny s4rious ..:;ccnpt to t:cl! wah cith,;r :acci:ol or a ii;r,:ss u:mpai ;n bc:: usc ho:h dc:ttanJ the cxpcr.c!iuue of r.:oa:y. 1'hc Ctncss campaiFi C:ma:tds the cx- pcnt:itu:c of mo::cy in the p ravi%iun o:' p:ayin~- facilai.s for you n~stc:s wf:ilc in relation to a1coL•o1 thcrc is -- n:c1 for th: tot: I supp : c.sion of aw1vcrtixi no but t5e ,\:i:tistc: is not gt:in'( to c:o :hat cit.`•c:, T 11c ;).tttt•rn or ti:ia spceCll is i:t th. \ti:u>trr's superficial a„roaca :o h:s vc.y ser•ous res;>Jn~ ai:i;:cs. Vcry :c:ious iln,r%osals nrc rct;uircJ ;roon :lim. Thcy are very Jit ;eult propos;:!s ;.r.d I do not Wish to miai,nisc th: ;•t;crnpt by any :.liaistcr to talx on :h: great ~:.: ba:aa or ;ad too:.ccu ro•:uls. A vr:y ;ur- rni~shic 1 i;alth in a:ty s•~cic:y'. :.tost of tF•cm have had thcir troub:.s but it is %~rong of our Miniaur to create the irapresswn that hc is in fact doing sorrcthutg about the nlattcr. C.:r, iLtu~hcyt I arn IcLislatiig• Dr. f:rotvnc: AnJ in leLislat;;tS the Minister cltunci;.;cs 1•.is propvwls to do sonc:hin;; about a probictn. That is the pu:pos~ of lc;;issation. In ::I :h.ac impor- tant,:sus the Yi; is;cr h•ks iatlu.6cJ t•1 a
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I . . 671 Tot.occo Producu 84 ( Dr. O'ConncU.I ti OQ.routt 1979. 1978; SrConJ.Sio;.r 672 ir.g th:.t in two ycars' timc the si:uaaon t a w w~ I " ~It be th: samc as tt "s t today. I k o the dcvious way in which they work. Ho••v u;ri the Minister estustac t:e to:al cxF:nditurc? Mr. ilauGheyt I know whst It Is. Dr. O'Connctt: They ean provic:c any 6tltrt ti t:::y t,ke and tl.c Mi:lisa: tvill hav;, no .y sy uf knt;wir.g.1'hcy cr.n in!la:e the fipuccs asy w;ty t"ac y t,kc. 1't: I+ttn::ter is shz~o.r t,ai: g. 1tii:! the cst?m:.ta bc rc;,:h:c? Wia so nc cca::ica:c be si?aed by an inS:, :n,f:nt audi;cr to cnsurc Ltat the Civutcs arc accuratc? Mr. liaugluy: We have accurate f:,ures. .La Le:.s•Chear.n Con:!,airie: We r:n on :i:: m:a:r try w:,y o: qt::s6u:1 and r.nsv:cr. Dr. O'Co,neiL• We st:oitd have this ir-por.ar.t iniurmc.aon. Wc arc gaing to 1;L,;la:c ca th:s issu: r:nd it is wror., if v•c ao su in a vs.uu:n. FiSu:cs frum Go•%:rn-:;at Dc;.ar::a:nts arc wo:Cuay ina:c:,ra tc in otl:cr r:reat and I ca:tnc.t s:c I:ow thcy wi;l b: rcliab:e with rcgard to the antour.t spc.nt on advcnisirtg. An Leas•Chcann Cumhairle: The Dc;.uty will be abl: to tease out lhes,o qu,:,rior.s on Co:r,mittcc Stcgc by way of quatinn and answcr. Dr. O'Councli: Ic appcars from the provi:ions in this Dili thr.t the Govcrn- m:nt wi:l pcrmit aclvcrtising and this nul- lifres the p:lrposc of thc t:ill. 7h:rc arc varl0us o:::Cr Ntcz.ures that t": i.:t:u.:Cr mi;,!tt co:u:d:r t!t; fr_r:,; :v;,rt: of tt;,: ililt. wc ar:os!d cor.s:!cr e;tcec: n..:r.o the ir.surancc ic~ua: y to o.lcr ill- ccn:ivcs to thos,o in chargc oC Eusincsscs and pubtic huitd;ngs w:lo furGid sm.Ot:ing on their pr;r.,ises. The insur: ncc co:n• panics could oA':r a reduction :n the in- surar.c : pr:-titrm. Ti:is co::l.: t;o n ion; way totvarc:i cur: a,:i:t:; or sn:c:::a4 in Fubfic Lui::;aSs. T1:a ovrncrs of ar..:mas n»;,ht bc off.r,d A sirailac in- c eeative on condition that tl:cy forbade smokiar, on t::cir pre:niscs. much• tn• ld. W rt•:.:e as e s1:o~ ~ld C eoavcnicncc a: p•assible for st»okcrs, not to restric: t:xir t're:dont but in tl:cir own ir'.terest vs'hen we know sr.toian-, is to da~:a^i-g to t!t-ir l::a:th. Tais :s no:aing ncw or ir.r.o:a:ive on ny part. t'co?l,, arc r•at aaoa•cd to s:^.o!re in ci.^.cracs in thc United Smtcs; th::c is an ir.tcrval during a ti:m show : nd it pco;.tc %••;.h to smoi.c they must do so in a reari:tcd • nrca. Suctt r.~rsures n:i,;ht 1~: of I:ap ir1 er.:u::rzinn C.cuple to rivc up caare;te srr.,:\1'::h . :rd to :nc trt:. ::r cf rt:zu::,`.::a:na oa i~c ca ::cra of tnc rc;.ulaio,ns, this app:ars to n:e as if we crc once ay:.ia Flayin_ in:o thein hands. • i •: t 71:.v M ill dcc Cc t+ :a;•,.; aan.-.sriU suit 1•t:cr.i: not a::a:ts ta. v~.:ed Iz t!x :ooccco in3us::y will ~ orcr. In t!tc i:;L•t of ait of thesr poir,ts I wonder if we arc ac!a,v:ng by ~ thc tirl!? Can v.c it ct.,n now to op:: acion of the \!i :i;;cr for Frlt;.:.cc :o cnsu:c tlat the i>:;t is cfi:aivs -'.d that th: cu::ural r.nj s~, cti: cr,rcai :.c+oa >.h0 ti+il: s::'YCr as a r:.~:t ar. sa:eJ or Lelr~~ in sam: o•~ way? I d.) not a.;rce tLat thc-c shau:rl :.c•a ti:nsc of timc bcfore sl:onsorship ,tolts. IJo nut ttt!nk those i:tvolvcd in the tobncco i:t• dustry have any intcrest in sperts or in culturai cc::icies• 'I'Ttcy a: not bCttcvo:.nt So::ctier.. That is nJt their pur;tns::. :4/1aa will thc provi:ions of the Eill be impl:ntcrttcd? 1Vitl it ncpp an tlis year? 'i'::c mi:usc of druEs tu;islution was paj- scd more than a ycar ap.o aad I was sur- priscd as learn that it will rcc,uir: t set of t'C^,i;~ C:Ot15 b: :ire it c.".n CGn1C t n:a cf shoui,.! li:cc tl.c to t: l r.:: if tha r: Lu!atians ti::h rcf,ard to :1:: Bitl b,:fc•r,: t::c : tou;c will b: ma.i': t n:: ycsr or wilt it bo :tnutl:cr two or~tL•rec ycr.rs? Witt we Cet tltc s»ntic reply as v:c 2.01 to- day with rc.-ard to the ldtauae of Drttgs Act? Mr. lIc.u;,..cyc 'fhcy witl be tna.!.: this ycar, as soon as thc Aili is pa4scd,'Titcy . . ..~ ~ .. . 673 ToDacro Pioducts 8114 18 tJctoattn 1978. 1978: Srcor.l zro;r wil become effective im.media:cly aftcr that. pr. O.Cor.r.ca: Because of my i„0• norancc rc;,arding tl:.: ntattcr I di:d not ask thc sar.t: qucst:oa w`rn we u•crc dcaling with the l~~is:~:fon orc thc rt:ist::c of drugs a:td I was ^stou~ t::d to h•:r.x th.t the ,rovisions of that Act have not come into cff:ct. Ilc:vc we an assurance fro,n the Minister that this Silt wilt be implcmcn:cd by the cnd of this year? .%Ir. I told thc Cc,tuty that the r.:E"ations :t'i:l bc r.tad: ata:os• ittt- rncc!ist::ly t`e passcd. I have irt-J'icatcd ti:a: :or::c of the Ix,ints in the te;,islation nre in opcrc.:ioct aiteady. Therc w°:1 bc no d;l;!y. The Dt:pu:y n;cd not worry about that. Dr. O'Cor.::cit: Ur.dcrs:;::Jab:e con• ccrn was by 'J,r:,;y 51z:ar.d a'aou, l::: ~^:•in:c .'.:::~. -~ ; ~- ~ ;,. pac,~~ i~"c t~r~,.a csrr:;t:n ci;:,ret~.c a vcrtian; cnd I~suix%ox: ti:at is u fair puir.t. I.votcc: ;C tl:~ '.ii:ti•tr: ~ 1' a; t::kcn , 'r^•!4 t~.ttbnt r. ,vi:h rc~ar» tu r::.tr.ctia; rl;a:ct:c a, vcrtis• fcel surc hc K:11 l;ct full co- opcrat:on Crattt t't: Minis:.r tL•cre: in fact, hc,m:ty r.Iccccd in rcrsur..t:n; &:r. David Caa-.ls to introduce more cll•cc• tive m.a.u:cs in t3ritain. I a!,uuld also l:l'e to kr.ow frory the \4inis:,'r if he has consu!•:S uw Aliaist:rs of :Ic;t:h in the otl:cr Ia:C cuuntrit:s with cc;•:::J to tltia cr.c.acr.`r~:lta ps hc v:°.ll c:: si:an to us if the Ia',"C pr07osc br'+1:ZinJ tlll) C:,fc.'t any ' :7ir~*;*cuvcs, r.co:n:r,cr.dations or o:Sers with rct;ard to cig: rca. adt•crtis- in~; in thc L'1?C. lf th.N Is bci::c• drmc. this Bill be suyc:scd:d hy rc•.al: tkno or dirCC:i1':i t!:at will t.c ctorc ,:.,:c:i \ti:.is:cr knows th«t i!tc f ruasci: burcaucracy is much n;or: I:a'xcrful now than D::il tarca.:n. Ti:e :>•Iinistcr shor.:u hzva some icforrtta:ion on what stepc arc bcin•^; taltcn in this 4irection by thc taii:. Th:y navc t•ccn Ica:.linv the ii~ aiii io rar,r:y nkin :o this and it m ay bc th;:t tl:cy hava so.: c proposals on tlti: nu:::cr «I.cr. I wou!j cct b,: too aarn:ett ti tna :•:crc tne ca.:. In iact, I sl:oulil wc;:onto any cuch diroccivcs or . ~ t~,trtcs~'t/~' ......... ~i~~; . v.. ptoposa:s. I would ba very glad 'J the 1:;n is:cr could pcrsuac!e his coL'c: gcc in F:r.tr. i,t to a»npt :1u nccessary mcasures .. -. ' CK tu rcau,ct c, „~rcac c- pai C's :i^,1 r-ia po:Ti; pC'c':L ~lVe should : int to ctimia»tc ci>;,arcttc stnot.inb car.:p4aely. I du not thin:c it is an impoasiblc t:sk if it is approached in thc rig::t way. Wc should allay the fcars of cntptoy.c, that thcy miLht loae thcir johs if this happcns. It i% a vcry rcal (car ,nrd u, s!:ouW do soczct2dno to rc:p in such a situstion. Anct`cr t:oint that should bc' cca- si,l:rcd is tt:c stztc of ill•hcalth that «xults frusti sntokino. I can cnt isa;,c the day w•hcn it m: y be .fceided by a Department of lIe:dth ttt-; tt.'cse who d~tna~e tluir ltc:tl:It r.:: y have tu pay tcr t!:: cotu::~urnccs. I= !:c::!th is ~rc~;1t i:l~iviS r»I wa• about c: :o:r^_tciy by thc cCrttt;r t'.lta t::ay ;i.,vC to pay tac c.,at. As tt~ 1S:sis::r l:no%% s, the coit can bc pit:rtueunal in husp::atiia• t:on and disa:'ility. S;lr-intlictc.i :!locsscs by p.r un. in titcir rig; t scr.ses • hot:id r.u: lx tl:: con:crn of onc's ncicl:5our. I can sca t!:is lla;.; c tir.~ irn ti:is coLr.;ry and inda.d wor:1•:ri.!o with csasatiag euas, oC hca!t!t scrvices. I was w•cau!cri,:r :f lhc Minister and his 1)utia:tntcnt could try to cstaYish a cto;cr liaison K,itlr the ocpartc:cat of t?.lu.ation in bcin;.in;, tn scltco:s a pr,l~ramrnc on cc.,ah cjucatiua with to smokin,-. Ntorc : nc1 co:c yc::r.g pcuj1!e 're Snto::ln!; at CI; ht, n,nc a81 Icn yc:.rs uf ;.;;c a;ui we a:c cn.uuraFia, it in no unccr:: i:t way: Coul•a tllc r.li::iucr undcr thc provisions of this Dill bri,:~- tltis "No sr:tnking" c:.mpaign into the schools and cxyliain to thcm the &tria::r.tal ctTccts of sn:okinZ a nd lavc this as p: rt of thc .`.:a:th cd-jcztion «•!tici: is b attly nc ••. ed at primary :cltool I:v,l? !f we cou:,i Lct to t::;:n ut thct :S: wc would achicvc a lot and I u•uu1J like to see this as a rcal;i detcrntincs p:an. The htiaistcr h::s succccdcZ' in many way~, hcca,nc 1 f'rnd that pcopi•: s,nok- in;; in my ~rescnce c:IK'ayS rcfcr to thc 1.:iais:cr :.r.j arclu;,:xc 1'or Wa;;ten are sr.toki ;,:•, macc a:1.1 more a:ul I hc: r thcm s:,yinr, "Wc arc not one of Charlic's:uiocls•" b::aus.; they rr'c I
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50094 2 186 ! . 667 Tobcccmo Productf BUG 18 1:`ir. Boland.J OCrou:n 1578. 1978: S.•cond S:oPr . 668 heavily z~-aiast the whollv h,4h-owsd t:in-s !i5it ti wolucTaEu,nst the othcr toii:cco products but in so far as it aints to maS,c the nation a hcatth:crplacc ar.d a bctcr p:acc it would rcccivc my support. Thcrc are a few a n;aCn.cna :aat I would likc to tabt: on Coaamittc: St:.yc. Dr. O'Cor.r-c!t: I wcleonte the wltole purpose of this Iliil and concur v.itlt the I+Si::ia:cr in his plca fos+ rrcat.r cmp:,=:is to be plac:J on health cc!ucatian and on t'.tc prcvca:icc asp:cts of hcc:th. Cor,trary to w4_t many msy t;tir.k, he is Co:n;, a b~w1 job in this :c::pr.ct. I am cor•s:iot:s of the fact that it is not costina mw:cy. I have rnaintaincd for a long tinu that in the G: d of hca!th cz:ra r•:ur.cy Gos not ne:asarily m,an r.orc h::!:h. The cvid:n: is tt:.:c to datc. In 1972 w: ;.53 r.a!lion or, th_ s:r.•i:c: an,l in 1973 this h: Gup to L3:0 miiiaoa-this in a r.t: tt:r of six year.. it is correct and fair to say thac - th: tc=itti of the co:n:nur.ity has ttot i:n- ia t::e mcanttmc. O:.e cou!d t'.:r,y.v mo:e and mcre money into hca:th ar.d o:c wou:d no; ncccssarily have a *ca4hicr scc:c:y but if onc takes the stcps in the proper di:cctions ar.d tn :hc p:op:r t:cidi one cot::d cct;ieve a much healthicr socicty. If we rtalx •cr.ous attcr.tpts to eli:n,natc clctr:mental f:-c:ors, such as satolin;, we can im• prov: the hc:ath of our community im- n:ea: I canno: -~rcc a•ith D..puty l:ui.,nd in saying there arc so ntany fau:ts %•it1 thi; I:,tl that it is t~:ttcr out, I szy .:c have to s:art som;:wh:rc. We r.n:st takc io:nc s(cps on th: resd to ir,•t- proving the h.aith of our community. lt is hcyoid doubt now that cig:.rct;cs arc a major source of ih hcc::h 2nd n;or- ta:ity in h-cland. It has a1co b;.en es- tat)::siicJ that c:tr.cer of the lun;, is on t:u iac:cacc Lotii in rncn nnd ia woracn at-A tl:C cGnictlu_nccs of this diseasc arc rcnlly diiastrous. To see p.orle with ie and to know that onc must tcll them thta thcy 1::,%c only a couple of ycars to live is very :aJ. It is sad to know that the clock canr.ot b: turned bach and th:,t the da,nar,e has bcca donc by cigarcttcs. Ttu cvidcr.cc is irr:futablc in this mattcr. It is very serious. To think that these people have beLn exp!oited r.nd used by tobaeco companies is repr.'.:c r.t:iblc. In situations such as thiY we trc o:i:iFcd to take mcasures to try and protect o:u people. Ilesi~cs :h: c:.ac.cr with its hica fi;urc that the ylin:st:r rcfcrrcJ to, uhira it:ea is a conscrva:ive ti,:r_ bcca.sc of the fact th::t I hav: known p_tic:.:+ who have died oi cancer of the lur; i.nd it has nut becn put on the dcath cer:i:'icate a,td there are many more ca:; such :s thi:, the cr.ormous ar.iount of ill heath as a result of cf;;,are:tz s:no :ing in the fo:m of bror.c!:itis, cra;ltys;r.:a and bronchi:J asthra-, is r:::;!y sad. This smuaing habit whi,:h r:sults in chronic pu:mon:.:y iil hcztta is responsiblc for personal r.tiscry, r^•.iscry in the famity, disca:ility, lo5t workin!: days. In pu:cly, ecor.omie terms the cost to th: State is pl:cnor.:;nal as the b:iaistcr has rightly paia:c.1 out. Tl,c \4cnistcr atill a;rl:c that the fig:cc~ !t; has ntr.wc at•aila'otc to us are on the cuns;rvativc sid.:. TH: Dep::rt- mcnt have don: thc b:st they could with t!,e ti.ur.:s they h=d, but the 3itua:io:t is a lot worse than :hs %liais:er has dcscribcd. \':c have the scrious dis- abi!ity o: tltous:.nJs of our pcoF:: suC•cr- itt;; from co:otury hcart disease directly at:ri~.:~olc to ci,^,a:cttc' s^u::ic;. We know t:,c ctTc:ts of ci4arcttc srr.o::ing on the l.•aby in the womb. We -rc obligcd thcrefore to call a halt to the rnaaufacturcrs who havc used every met:as known to them to p:omote tl:cir prudu:a. Ttiey havc bccn rt:t!tless, unxca ~~;:lota, u;tltoatt any rcga:d to the dama-; thcy h»%e dor.: to ou; people tFrouga their subtle wdscrtisinL. They have insta!cd t1:c idea in young pcoplc's minds t1:a t ci;arcttc smol:i:tg is as- sociatcd with a:l :,o: ts of athictic prowess ar.J pltys:cal g"d health. We l:ave got to s:op t1:em in their trac!cs. We must not sho•J, n:ercy to them. D:puty lioland said that we shuuht not be unfair to lri-,h ciSa:ctte mar,ufa•:turcrs. \Vl:at have those rtiaple dorel They have not iavc:::d any money in resca:ch. I have qa:stioncd the:n over the years and they have cvac:cd my spccitic quc:tion, "Ilow much money have you invc;tcd in rcacarclt?" They hava inWllcd fcars in I 1 669 Tobacco Producrs 111t1, 18 0.`rooLx 1973. 1978: Second Sra;r 670 their employccs that their jobs wUt b-- at stake if cicarcac advcrtisiaB is to be stopped. The cmp:o)•c.s have come to mc and said tttcy would hc out of jobs if I wcre to advocatc Icoislation against ci~:lct:e :`1cw that ;.1vC :iai1~ h:s tc:a uanned fror.t :c»vison t1t: u~ u:ue m.:a;:fac- turcrs hav: c^:;,loyc:f other ruac.s. They have woric:d s:icr.tilicaily snd hav.: got their r.usss~.s across on tclevision by sports p:otnotions. Althot:Zh they may not acl.•crtic: on tc:cvision they I ave been pt:::ing up ths bi,-;:s: p:.stcrs ros- sit:c zt tcl:viscd ra:e and :;t.`.cr sports mc;ti: ss. Th:y have cxp:oit:a telcvtsion by cvLry r.ic: ns at their disp osal and they Wi,l conanu: to do so unless cpec- tivc action is taken. This Bill has been severely watered down fro:.t the Min'.:acr's orii;ir;.l con-. cept o: what is r.:ctlcd, and I a:n r.ot ca stial; any r:^cct:xt on hi: i.a:crrity. Idis it:tcr.t:~>n or:;;i t:!iy was that ail tobacco contat:ny sponsorship ot' sports would end, bt:t the ves:cd in;c:tsts have used their powers and hava s: iJ: "Thus far shalt thou go :.nd r.o fuctl:cr". They have moncy ncd pnwer at tl:cir cor-.,- mand .^.: the hig';:sc Icvc*.s, at banking level, and they can use ch= rowcr, Deputy Nocl BCowne in;:oJt.ccd a pr.v.::: 1.L t:b;rs iiJl to try to zct toha:co advertising stopped end it w•ws fin:tay dccidcd I:y the ~tinistcr that caclt cioarctte pa,:k:be should contain n note of w•arnir.g. Howevcr, the t: cat:fac:uers eniu:ed that the vi.rnin; c•rad not be read r:adily bccausc of th: t)•p: f:tcc they uscd. The wc:ning rJco rcad that "Smokin;; can darr.a;c )•c:,r h:aith". T::cre is r.o doubt that s:r:okir-z is in- jurious to health. The American Surgcon General has decided that it is. Mr. liau„h:y: They are going to change :l:at. Dr. O'Cennct:: I hope so end I hope the Atiniater will tell tltcm th:.t the type fece used in the warning must be cb- solutc:y clcar. Thcce vcsted interc: ts .:re v%inF al: mc.as to hoodwink the House and the public. As I have s:i.i, they have promo:ed advcrtisiag ai,r.;d sp:ciacatly at the young pcop :e, the resta: bcing that thare arc more ans more yuung pcopla urtokittg. Dc?:uy Bcland told us he would ncv;: bo enticed to us: one brand in.tcad of -r.pthcr. i hc fact is th:t most of the brands arc rrocluc;d by on e com- patty, so thcrc is not a thing to th:t argu- mc-t. \V,; must rcc/:on the enormous cost to the St:.tc in human tc:cts cad the cno:- n:aus revenue the State has got from tobacco an.d is contiauin,^, to gct. The State has been uting that rcvcnue for its own purpose, and that is vrrong in itsc:f. I con;:ratulae the Llin?stcr on int:oduc- ing th: !3itd but I should 'u::c h:m to go to the \;iniacr fcr hiaaa.:: c nd •tJvisc him tltat ta: total revcauc from tuba c.o duty be devo:.d to the estabas'tmc,t of a national sports council who would cn- sure forthwith that sports sponsorship by tobacco companies wo;as end and tltat the promotion of physical hca:th would be pursucd at every l:vcl. That is w; at is r.cc<:cd. !f Cac rc~'y of thc ht:r.is:~r for Fi; ar.c: is : t:; :.r;i:mativc ti::r. we wiil know thc:c is ser:o4: intent behind this i:id. withota th:,t i.;:cnt the P.iit is uaclcss. The Ninistcr for Flca;:a is in cont;ict •.eitit t5c D:p:.rtr::nt of Finance whose job it is to cul:cct the revCtSue from c:Sar".:te Luty. The :niniacr tnas; s:y:-"To l:clt x•:tF ci:ar- et:vs ar.d their m:t:n:factt:r:rs. :':c %r:l uvs this monc:y for a p:,rpose". Then the E:il will I::tve teeth and ;>::rpose. Thcn t!ie Governmcnt wili s1:pw thcir si,l;crity--I do not doubt tl,e Mir.istcr's ycrsonal si,:ccrity. We all krow that the survival of the ncw,papcrs d:pc7ds or ci;a:cac advcrtis- ini, ancd that it wou!d hc d,castrous if our ncwspa~crs w•crc to b. :,t7cctcd zdvcrsc- ly. Thcrcforc, I shoui.f iiy.e to scc sot:,c mc.tns bcing 1rovidcd to co:n;)_r,:;.:c th:m. We h--vc h:cn given the phrase "to restrict advc;ti:.in,, and i,,•,V do you dit,:rc". l tt: t i am;,:et:ou:. I dJ-i!'! t buJ ,ct': }:o•-v will it l:: I do not :o crst any ra:%;ctian on thc 2v:inista's intcl!igcnce b;.t i aat afroid C:cy will hoodwinfk him on tl:is matter. Mr. I tauSlt:y: I would not be too sure ab,)ut thFt, Dr. O'Connell; It is on the record of this I•iousc. I haw: no hcsitation in t:ay- r I .
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-r 66) Tobueco Produtu drl4 t8 IAir. Eolar•d.) OC•t•oaert 1973. 1975: Sec•ond Stov 664 It is provi'.c.'. ia the Consurr.cc Informa- ticn Li!1 c: ac:cJ carL:r t'.Sis y:ar ch:at an o:Cc: a`al: not b:c mul: ur:d:r t1:e Act K:'J•.out prior canacJt_t:on i•y the .l::z acr vnlr ss.h p:t.a.s as ar,.;:z to l:irt :o Lo s s t- ::::Jy i: :c:c;.t.:d in tl:: subj::t rnar.cr of the e:dcr. • A ft.it arnount brs b=cn =:}t:cvcd by the l:iaist:r'a prc~-'::cs3ors by way of caa::t!:::ioa w:;h t!t: tobacco i,tdustry a.^.d re!_tc:1 l:av:n-P eav:::is- ira 0;,: 7rom tclas4or. nad vuio s oa,z: pla:;s. It L•s f:.:cr to t::: v.:::1 tt:: c::.:.mcat of ti•3s 1:3'.:I•:ioa ti:e:e al:o l:: con- sultctica, t.•ct.ti with tlie fi:ras an:f uah the c,r; 3r.»:~;ioas w;:ic9 to enjoy s;.:•a:orship or wl.ich cajoy such spon- sora:) at in cascs where the }-!i^.i•.:cr Fro;.oscs to rc: tt:e l:t-el of s;.or.: scip r:dt ::J o: oL:asa:.c! ca:n- . ccr.t ::d i:1 t:.:1:J! a rais:d a:b::c ion aao+:i:.g in a a:.:u:ar; way ior t!rat con• s~!::::ca to t•..kc pUcc. I a;pr:cia:c that ttc 1,!ina:cr s,:i1 it is 1::s :.:c-::ert to ~ co.^.sa.'t t':ica: tn- ,~ r t:uc ..:i l.! c:..^.st.lt t%•i:h t!t: cr cui,t:r_t er a:isa:c,:: tt•1::c't t't:i: spa ~rs!:ip bciorc rc;;Llatlo:.s 4re n,tJ: c.':cctin; such SQcr.JO: s:ip. It is oaly p: op.:c t h.1: t::ia ccn:;:.-lt: tion shct:.'J b.: prot•id=d for ill a ac:u:ory way. :.s waz done in c:x Con- su.r.er Act and tHe 2dc : ca_a_;:. >.1=r:c: P.ct. If t.`.c :.:i-i.r.r t::!icvcs us Sr:r.iy as he a=~: «aly Z:s t1r.u it is hnrri:ul to h:.~c zt.c p:• :nt d:;,::c af too--cco bdt•cti•:ir ; anc: :Fnr.:orsaip au:d if !tc in- tc.::fs pl, ..:in; th .i oiR, tl:::1 I contend znd bcli:vc t`S.t the pxp!c who r,o: !;c iI::: t by tl,et tre tis s!:otir , cr cult_ .:.' prs- s:'.: In : Sost casa thc rc: son why t: ac orLani...t:ions uc zctt:ny :rcnsnrshi;, fruat the tab:cco tirns is that thcy have r.ot the fincnci:d re:ou::cs to ata,c,e tile ever,ts f: e:n tlt:i: own f::nds nr•d 'a:caus: ovzr the ;:ars 'I:cy tiat•e not rce:ived from tr•::za:v.r Govcn:m:nt the sort of ..sa:::ar.c: t:c:d:d to cat.c!s tLem to op,:rae t.".ese events. Somct:mes thcy arc .., ....:.-.a..•:. ~ : :... of inte:nat:oncJ ccns:q;:c:1:e and somcti.:,es they a:c r.o lurfcr than a vil• 1:.;: fc:c o: ct:tlivxl. Cone ts nct l:cs im- por:ant than thc o:hcr bca:::sc they pro•r:Ja enjo}•mcnt rnd c:ttcrtr.ittr: er.t and itar:ovc thc gcr.;rr.l ecb:c: cc of lifc. '.t G:,}• e.re b:.n^, :a da t.'t--t by th: tcb:tcco finss ti::y can• not provide enOt:_-tt f:om thcit owtl re:ot:rces, then it is more s!tamc on thc State for r.ct e:a;-';inZ mo:e in the p:ovi• sso:1 of fu:a.'tc:rJ ascis:: n.:c. If w;, : rc rer.lly s;.:.'uus in stt;gca:~N that tlt: lif:s:}!s of a.: co::r.:ry will tx: i ;tp:cvcd by Ldt•cr~t:n , of . , 665 ToAareo Producr. Dtl.', 18 OCTODCA 1973. past• y=-. I a:n in a ra:her unique posi- uua to corr..^.SCnt on this. For livc-antt•a- hrJf years I was in th: ranla of t!te non- smuY.ers. rro:n t!:eir vict:•point ! was ab!: to sc: quitC clcae-y the tJtin;;s which d;.tt•:1:d on t5: 1`:ir,at:r ut' a l: ter date when t:e jci:ud tSo:: ran!:s. ?.t the cr.d of that yc:rs-I do nut knotv if it was by coincidcr.cc or ot!:crtvisc-I found myse:f rci;t:larly sit- tint; herc oppo::itc the >'/inis:.r listcnir.g to him spcz!:ia3 in rclatioa to various picc:s of 1c7a1: tia t in th:: hc.t:th fiCld. Soon t.!iscov:rcd thr.: I was oncs :^::i:s in tl:: rar.':s cf t:1c s:::o1::a 50094 2187 1978: Second S:are 666 me rcfcr again to :he 1977 rreport of the j 1•.:ct:ico Social Rcscarca I3oard. When ~ tJscy advocated trnc~r t;;~^rir,ro c: the • mcans of rcduci,:;; t.~bn cco consurn?- ` tion, they su;ocacJ or. 74 of tl.c:r ' report tha .tcrnatits 1:i.erc tetivitics ; vttil rcoui:c c!c:.!o~ ~:ccts s:rc5 as ~atcr ~ sj:Orts This is w:.• - t.`.:Y ttcrc su;gcsti:lF tl:.a tl:cre shoulJ hc a mc»r.s of attrac(i:lz young pcup:c into worth•v,•hi:•: projects. I accept tha t the t•tinistcr's intention is to ma!:c thc nation ltca!::ticr by t:;Crcasit:o t!:•• intcrest in p:oduc:s by s:rikin; at th- adv: ;i:i:1$ and spoasc:snips bu ti:is to'.:c:o so:sitip b a::o be wilt ntzY. o:r-anisat p:cti y wb prcr e Eo iens ccts ar.d rtop;~ s:eo:itms, tl:ea cccJ to say that ord the mocay loc . I do not knotv th :: ~ spo r so I can now !oo : at this fro:n tse sltoult! the ftiint of view of so:r.cone tt•l:o is a tl:c Suue consa:cr:tblc nualbcr of years without t to thcs: smokin; and who at the same tirr•.c un- e c:•tour.t derst:.nds how a stnukcr ta{-.ht view the :r.ay :Sl:a. in t ;: :ho.: t:rc, hc :•urting soa:e spoair:g I do not know ,f the Nlin:st:r hms tried already bui I think he stiouiJ h.u•c dis- cussians witlt th: Cabinet and with dte of r.tor•cy presct:t ?C::•::n5 yct try the into sucy or,;ani the toha;co M::..;er N•GUl.: lstions t:t provisions sa out in t!ti; li:1. 1 tva nt to s: y tilat as :c:.t;t:::c wl:o I acc no cbj:c:ica to :•.: i~ca cf ratr.:.t:aa 0.1 :O::e \:ini:wr fc: I'insnc: to :cc if o.-, a r:ason nh:c ba;a, as :u'a: :co s;,oa- t: is p:tascd out c's;.o.^' or ou of lr.c.::a:i~:f Gf th:a t:;^,•1:c. I . tnv12e tl:. aateni..n c or tcst :c:iou oa s~asors!,ip. cu:tu:al evcuts. it :n:;!.t bc rcpl: cc: oa a i+linstcr scrioust•v to cur.:idcr th:s idea. Many more p:Oa1c weu11 bcli:ve in his c~ r:,cstncs~ in t.,c ir••t:odccti,,a of t:•,is 1121 t:cre h: to say thi.t in rc:.aion to th: ph: sirr- out of sp.~nso:.!:ip of e::ia:r.g : ct•: .-.ts h: wou!.1 r.."t.^..• t:.c rc•+!:;:- n'.:r t uf t1:a t:;:onscrst.i:: b;r a G.;•: rn- tr.^n t_ta:::tly or by t!•. o:' a St:.:e ba,ly or Gotrrnae:tt•f: r.u'cJ l:*Jy conccrr.,J in n dircct or in~'ircct tt•r,y in prontotiag thc geccral h.:rJth er:d wcll- bc::1, of the nation. If this Bill is or-cra::d s:ric::::!y-I was Eoin^, to say but I c!a not t`:.% that w•e:::,f ix ft:ir-t`en in tl:: si:o:t :c:ni tl:: o:t:s who will st::7:r r:: t;:c.: t•ol;:r.t::ry t;cuups puttir.; on :i>o::i:; :rr.d cul;~:;,1 cvr::<. I thir.:, to.~,t would r•at b: :i:c ir• tcntioa or dcsic: of tuny it4cr.:ber of this Hor:se. I would have much mora cnai.siasrtt for tla:; m:as:tr,: if the X12-..acr ticr: to c:.y tht:t .rhi:e p:L~:ng out ~;a;ors':ip by' w:;ac.o i:rrrs he tvw1J p'1»cc ill t!w:.u;i:c spoa:ets .p by the S:a;c or by State 7h: l.i:ni:ttc r:f:cred in 1:rs : t~cc:l1 to thc Frotith during i!1z pa= f:•.v yc:.rs i,t the provision of non•sm;:kin.^, arut::i irt pua:c placcs. That -'s t: much more prrc- tical way of b:inL!:,y hot:-,c to 1>:op1o the dsn g: rs and ttnnoyance to non from snto:cinK tt•aa many of the ut:-w:r things which Jtave been done luring thc I I h:.v,; a pcricnal point of vicw in t::at it has always l:czz!:J nte why tobacco firms cna;•.d in thc bt:zit:css of cf.on- so:9r.g ho: s; races or ;;olf cvc:tv. t:r.,: so on b::auve if I sn:r,:e brwa<J '•A.• and sp,:r.J tr.y •rftr: :ooa lookin}; at a race :ronae•cd. by hr.tna ••I:•' I tsi:l sti:l sntoic brand "A" on my v:.y homc. I presumc itis p::rt of the ;c n::al at- tcmp: to dcvc!op a Laod corport:c im• aee of bcinE a Grr:1 interested in society and ir.tcrestc,l in kceping its b: and nnrnc forward. I can accept that t`erc is cxpcrt advice thzt tile :nor. the t:aatcs of tile brt:nds u:e pl:a;cd oi.( fru:n spcns,)rai:ip or fronl uclv,rtisiu; thc t,ttcr cltar.ce th:re is of cncouraLing pcop::, especially ywng pcopl:, not to smo!cc or not to bcLin srr•oking. I can sec that there is a vcry laudab!.- aim contained in this Bill b::t I::m u~sct at t~ c confusion th:a has arieea as to wltr.t:lcr or r,o: cKisting spon:OrsLipa are Foing to be :.Ilut•.cd continue and if thcy arc Toir.3 to 5: nl- luw•cd to conti:tu,: us up po::cs to spon- sursi,ips yet to co-o I arn intrigucJ to know how that can be uclticvcd in view of tlt: conititutiot:ul d:Tculti::t. I am also very upwt to that spon• sorslap: raig:a be pha:-d ot:t•»nd it w•i'l hat•c the rStcut ill tr,c :aCrt term only oP hurtiaz tl:e sporting orEanisatiuns. Lct ..,..,. .. . ...» . • . guarantccd hasis-nct just u:t a l.it•st:d- miss basis-by a Gotc:n n:at gr.r.t-or by spo;t:ctrship by a S:;ac orl;:,r,isa tioa. This is cc:t::iily sonxtl:in,r, Khich t!:c Government to cot:siclcr ani which a•ot:!J lw wc;i tto:th tvhilc. I i:r:oN ill the l3ri:islt Yr..s µ'hich t+':!I cen:ir.uc t) ln im;..trtckl in hCrc ucc:cr t!x c::f- f.ul:ics which I outlined and on which I wo,rld like to hear from the ldinistcr. There are su,-Ecstiona that there mi; :t be a tax Ict•icJ on cach p:!ckct of ci,r.ar- cttcs or each p;.cc of tuhacco ;:ucvci wttich would tto dircct:y i;tu a ts or cuitural fur.d ta bc: t:icJ Z)y sor:: c:•tt:c orTanis:aioas. I do not know how ;wp- ular that «•ould he hc:a or how a.ccp- tablc it woold be. I do not knaw whcthcr thc ,\finistcr has consi(!crcJ that ,apc:t of finJir.; n!t.:t;_;ivc fuatJ!:,;t fur the spor.sor;J .:va::s. 3'cri:a;.s h: a•ocld comr.tcnt On ;hat ill his rc;Ily. I wc!cotnc tac in:c nt of ti:i: i'i:l. I: m curious to krc>w vatzt vr;:l th,: rc:u:n- tions tvi11 take r.n,1 1 i.:tt cur:.~us to G7.~N what pruvisian will he forallct~ing cxiai;t~ ctklncorslap:: to conti:tuc tv:thout `.ri:1;; :.cru.uJ of Fcin^, t::.fair to or; a;lisctiO:ls tti::t do not r,joy spon- sor:hi,•s at I am :l::n concern:.f t.-tat ncth.in,, cont: it:uJ in this Itill wltca crsact:d wo,4.f c:iwarrinzt: t:.orc .
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6S9 7odoctiw Prodreu 8114 19 OCTODER 1975. 1978; Sec•ocd Srore 660 I2dr. Boland.) AU eititeas sh=!!, as ht:marr pcrsons, be hcld equal before thc law. This sha11 not be he:d to mean that the St.i:c shaJ not in its eaawr,tcnts prohibitiag sponsorship by tobacco fi: ms. I arn not hc: c to hoiJ any b: a:' (or th:sc firrr•s out we nce cx.:r.ir•i:.g tion and it mirht lc;r,itin:atciy be ergucd that tlicra is discritnincition. Supposc an Amcri~:an tirtn «r:i:•cd here cnxious to ntan::iactu:c bnr:Js of toh:cco which are not soai Y.er: at pres::r:t, a.nd t:tey wa;::rJ to (uanlo:: tF::r ; rod;:ct ar-d l;ct a stzru cf tt•c r~,.arkc:, but discovcrcd tl:cy wae prol»bitc : by this Uill f:om cn!:•,.in,I in s;lonsorshi;t wl:ila caistin3 tira.i cr.; sl:at in s;lonsoratip prior to 1111: passin; of tlte Act were a11at+•ed to coa• tiau: t1::a spunsorahip, t::,•c position co:rlJ be av::ry s:ric:us o:,c. I am in- ior:ncJ thm tt:tst C•crrm cou!d }avc a very inte:: tin,^, :our throu; h th. cour'ts ,.tncc it wot:ld be os:n to th_:n to c:ua:nSe the l-w, That is :.om~thing that should cxcr- cise th: n:iad of the Minister in making rcvu:aaons. Froai the point of vicw of orZarisa- tians wlt:ch nt? ;ht feel deprived of tin::ac: t:Jr1 toha:co lirrtts b.c;.u:•c thtue L•rms did r.ot have spart:urahin prior to t!tc passine of Q,it .1w:, Lr.d from tLc ;.cir: oi vi.w of fin;a u1.ica t::iytu feel tl:e:c was unfair trad:na atlvant:160 as btwccr, tL.aa and a!J r•s'ablished firrtts, it is very important that the At:ristcr stwu:d cx;aain to us how lte cn- viaares LctCnj-, o-~.1r tilt: u:!•licultics in- hcren: in the proviaaa% cl' l.r:ic:!c 40, to say r.o:it:nb of the r•ttiwiIc of thc co:trts fra:n thc point of .;c',v of to:h n::tural and social jus:ice. If this Gill is to havc .ny rcat effect these points w:ll havc to bc c!arificd. TL•c aSiristcr said hc intcnds to in- trcJucc control of tltc level of adt•crtis- i-L. From th: word:n;; o°tac : ill I t::':c it the c.p:ct:uion i: that u+•cr a nc:ic.a of tisic thc amount of aJv.rtisin; wil'_ be cor•trollcJ so as to rcducc ::uc: cst in tob: c:o rrodu:ts. I supposc :hat is .itlitc lauu :'aic but I c;:nno: see that it u•ill be cnforce.tblc. The Ministcr rc!':rrc.d to the of thc Irish inc:ustry as cp;:u,cd to Cte fcucir•,n i:laustry, pa:ti:ala;ly :ntit of t:: 1.::, : a:f It: tir:,t thoic con:era;J i't thc UK will 1•OSauly rc•,•r.rc: the statutory stlnrtor:!:t tntposcd hcrca and, if Ctcy do nct do sa, he says mcr,su;cs will have to b,: tal;cn to d~al with that situatiuu. in cOcct. he wilt tell thc m:rnufacturcra opcratinL hcr%: ;ltcy I have duc rc;;crd to .'iffc:c :c:s of ' cLpa:ity, phyacal artd moral, auid of ' soc::.I furlct:on. The Lfirister r-.•sy say it i: his intcr•tion , to p!ta:.- out or stop qctci;,or tal•aco advrr:iaag and to aop wb;tcco il.rzls sponsuritig events and, at the s:me tirae, he will not intcri`er,: aith cvc n:s w: ich a:c beir.-; s,:.n:c:cd at prrscr.t. That is a!1 vc:y as far as good in:,:n::o :: arc tAli:etn:,J, b:d : o\•r c:1fJ:c: 4>!: is li Un::.'•r t!:: Con4ti:u:ion and und:r t1.c law'r .n- s Is this p: n of a bi-~ prrtili: r:lxtio~!; c:c- crcise to su>;.ea smoi:rr.g is ir•jur.ous to the hcal;h° If a totacco firm :~re tolJ t`cy can contic:c:e to s;..)r•sor a gc: ing et•e: t but ti:cy may act sro: sor a w•ater s:cl:,:^ vc: t rc.a )•:^r. 16,1 nu: _:c v:cr the w:t:f e:r:: :ot :IL'/: '•U'adcr tl.e provi::o:r: of Art:=:: •S0 c.f the Con:cituacn v: :.:c etit-a::y cr.ti:!:d to receive consi.::::.:icn for sya:aorsnip f:ont a:t•v commcrcizl : rm, and we have th: Olr:1e riG..t to akr.a:nfl!1i,7 :Ss a;,Olf: ing o:Flnisatios who alr.a;.'y cn;oy sp:.nscrship _nd are a.'!owed to continue cnjoyinL- spon:crship und:r the Aiina:ar's rc•^,ulatioas". If thc %l:nister i.:tcnds to m_kc reLula• tions providing far the continu--:ion oC ctistin;, sponsorshipi, whi!e 4 oclork. mi:itatinS zSaintt the etca- tion of n.w or.cs, hc will have to pay very c:.reful attun:ion ir.dccd /+rovisioas of ArticlC '0 of the to the Constiiutiu~ l:eczusc oC puss:ble 1: ;11 actions a:isir.o ou; of his rcxwttions, lc,al Mctioas w•hiat mig!u mskc a 1_u;!uno stock of the Sill and the Tv;t~ister's rcrui:.tions. From thm point of vicw I should like the Ministur to . dwcll -at sor..c l:nwat in his re ply on whe:hrr or r.ot thc:c has becn Lt:;nti.+n p_i.f to kLia n:rni::ul_r asp:ct in tl:; fo:- nwl::tinn of ttic 1;,:1 or in the coctsi.icra- tion of t1tt: regul.ttions. So much for orranisations. I Can see eonsi-'embli: wo:ry and upset where aportinL or;,anisations arc concerned sltuulJ pr.cipitate action bc takea 50094 2188 661 Tohacco rroducrs Dlll, is Ocio>+r•rt 1979. 1973: •Sccond Srose 602 can srcr•d only a certain amour.t on adt•:rtising in any• onc year. tic may t!t. :yp: of alvcrtisir•,t. i hat would be all very well if no one clsc was sclling thac produc:s oth:r than those manufactu:int; hcrc : nd if thcrc v:cre not firms rllanrlSacturin$ It:rv the s:me br andi a;' :c; as :ho5c auiJ 1.l the Uni:c.4 Kir!:uorh «nJ in th6 USA. Is the Mbiar•.t.:r scriously sar,;esan;; he will restriet the amount of aJvcitisrn; by the three lirrns m: aufacturinL here? Thcy wtwhl, of cour:c, have thc talnc rc:tric- tionx iutpo.ccd hut thcir position vis•d-t•is the UK and USA manuf;:cturcrs •xcutd' be dis:rJv:rnt:;cous b:catw: n..•:rancrs t:c..•tuicitn ar.J_pcrioJic::!s in which ficros c ~'vcr.is: tt c aan:c t:and namcs of ci;;arates ar.d tosacco circula;cwldcly hert. What tile Ministcr Sut:ccatS w0uld I discrimincte very heavily t:ica aFainst 1 the domestic manufacturers bceacsc tlicy do not cr.gaZe in manufacture ~ elsewhere. Mr. I tauGhcyt Does the U:puty mean wholly owned? . Mr. Itutand: Yes. Tltcy do not advcr- tise to :ny dcircr in th, United I:iaEJutn, f0r cxauipl., and cunscqucr.t• ly thcy do trot have tltc b:r.f:t of w6at or.e r..i~ ht de:•:riye as tl:c ovc: spill advcrtiair,e in l:riti:!t publicu:it-as• cir- cu!atinb hc:c. This kind of tn:n!t was don: in regard to 1>ritis` Unit Trusts. They arc not allowed to advertise here but thay gct over that by in.crtin,- in the aJ.'crti;en:ents in the financial P: pcrs and matwxir.es which ci: ulatc _frccly here a szvc: sayin;; th•at %: pa;lic,ilar ntivcrtisc,t:cn: dcas not af.rly to people livin>:, in the Rc;.uhli: of Irclan.l. There is one Irish Gnrl which do:s not have the benefit of o; :rxF.ill zd.~ isitt; from the Ur.itcd l:in;;.ir~:n or tit,: iiS•a. It rcl:c, almost wholly on :wvcrtisitrg in the nt:Ji:t l;crc, Lny r:.tricticn, therefur:, will he patenay utti:.ir tu thi: firm !u.ause i: dc:ci au: l::,v_ thc b::tc:it of t!tc ov~r~pia Lwa farci; n tions.'!';:;~1;t::.:c: s.ty..S:::.tiaJl`Lr: ts du not rcxKct t!t: S:: sitfiatiun:'Wil1 f; ;iaW httlu Ia:n tt every patitt of cntry, u:rtcd w;ta sciaxors, cut- - tiny out cvcry aclvcruscrncnt frum uvcry c ncwspaper, magazine and jouraLl eor-..- ir.;, in here ca r: yinv tobacco and c?gar- cu. advertcti1:". lt is very i: :portant that th: Minister should clarify Inc Wsition of the lrish firm r::c•d•ris thz other firtns which enjoy thc bcn: rit c+f avcrat:;1 aJ.cr:isir.~. It is a ltr:c'wi .-:Cil fl-cta~':ri~ lt is c:t: a•~cd ir. othcr f:rccts of lri,.h in- dustry _.tlcrt from ti:e toh; c.o in.cstry. It wou1J bc a p:ty if the aTxt of this Cdl were to hart 4rc wl:al;)•-ott ncJ Irish firtn n:uch ntore scv.:cly than lrtcr• national firins in a better position to bear the brunt of Lny such l,urt. I car.t;::.ir•cd at thc, o:act cbout the la:k of i::fomn: tion in the b:;N and the widesprc:tJ pow'c: s which it git•cs to the Minister to rn11::c rc_ ut at:ot:s. I aico notice that the N1:nistcr pro;+o.,cs to tak: powers to rn:6::c rc;u!ai~ns which r:it;l•,t then be ar.au.:cd within 21 :itti n;; days. That arinu!:;r. :; ac:u1J not irat•: anv cf- fect on any Jced or lr.ck Gf ctccd c:ruscd by tlu raa:ci: ;; of the rc; u:a::oas. I ob- ject to tita t sort Of pr„vr%iun wa:cn it is unncccs+ary :xd it is tot.tL'y t:nrxcccs.ry in this :asc. Taat subsrctian :`auld pro%iuc Gt: :t t!r::R of cc;:~t1:i.~as to h,: laid before tac ltou:.c :nJ p:oviuc n!co far cur,.ultations wi:h tl:c iraiuttry and with the or;.ar.:;ation wlu.h is ttiir•z sponcoreJ. If t':c !.!ira:tcr is to r,, cc; u!:.tions which :pp: a: suddealy tu :n- wrfc:c with a p!:nr•c;l s;;lonsorcz evcnt, witici: tni;ht tc of disast:ous x1.c- quer.ccs to the caitu:al or s;x-ninR u:La ast,tioa: which had Lnt:c:;,a::d th:re s!rou!J hc 1~~ f a piopcr ::.:'r,: it:n.i for tl:Ca; to :uttsult P:i:1 thc Mall.:cr ar1J ;iut ti:ca' p:: :!t of ~'IC•h• Ls to %t•hy they It :J invitcJ rarti:ulr r(;rr.s to spansor th:nt. I am not su,^2cstin; nr,yth:ng t•cry rcvolutioaary. Szct:on 2 (12) oi the Merchandisc \!a:ks Act, 1^"0 st:,:cs: An order s!t.ai not txo mac'c unc!:r this S:ct:un withG::t twiUr cG'tjl:::tao1 by the ~:aaacr witi r:r:ans as ap,: . to him to he in- tcr.:acJ in the or tloc c-lcc ur.:r:s, in the ctsc of an orJ:r ur.i2:r s:bScctioa (11) of this scc:ic:n, it is, in the on.-n:Otl oC the ALini:tcr, nc:css:ry to mr.l.c the or"r wi:hout such coasu::aion. C;; . _ .. .-. _ • ._ .. ..... ... ....._.._.. _
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633 ToJoccv Pio?rcu Otl1, ' j:l.r. Har;,ttcy.) 18 OCTOyut 1976. 1978; Second Staje 656 Acr Ria :ta havc, I am also glad to say. rcc:n::y provid%:d r.o smokins zoncs in tte arrival and depaaurc loun;,cs of out airpotts. I sl:all be writiag to ltot:fic:s and restat:rant owners askir,o tt:cm to cnsure that in their dinir.g rooms. r.or.•smokinb arcas are madc avai!ablc for thos: pcrsons who do not s:nokc and who do not wish to have s:noLin; thrust upon them. 1lc~lth L:urJs will b: askdd to cn:urc that sr.)o!.i,;g wiil not bc pcrrr.atctl in tilc c hosoi:zl w;,rds and to taat:c it c!:ar to ~ s••ttokino i:rc fairly well proven and visitors that they s:ou!d r.ot satokc in ~ known to all of us. It is r•o ;tarm. I sup- tllc w•ar,a. I shail bc askiag other ( posc, that the 1.fir.istcr should set thcm Dqpa:tm:r.ts to eo•oocrate in restriainv, out sgain this aftcrnoon. arc.,s in ul:ich smol:ing n:ay tal:c p::.cc In this measure hc is taking upon and in casuri ;_;. as L•:r as yo.%.ib;c, that himsclf very wiJe-rar.riag powtrs to th,: norm should be :hat in the m.tjarltY control ac:v,:ra i.^..^„ pi~cir.;; of ; dvcrtis- cf o..i.a satol.i tg will not in futu:c bc inb, tl:: Jet.rc, uf s~c,aor.l~ip :u:,t other a:ccp: b:c. m;:ttcts con:.crned with I:romotion of I hope those who smokc tnd who f tobacco pr(.!uc:s ans brands. ln that wish to continue to sn tokc will rot f.cl ( resf..ct I do not su;.posc thcr;, ccn be th;:t thcy :,re bcing unduly .!iserimin:lted any ob;cctiun to this vcry tvc.::a•v:hilc a;;ainsc. I a,r not eat: IcJ, and I have no Soat which is. as hc has tal.cn p:.i:u tn wish to ir.tcrfcrc with tl:e ri4ht of any Poir.t out, part or aa o,era1i p,sary of citizcti t.) Jcciue w!lr;l:cr cr nut he or sac Truh-icity a:)d pub:i,: r:la:ic:na u•!ltch he will .niat.c. 1 11l.•c, I:owct•a, a tluty tG ltas cn:.a,:cJ in utq;r th: p»si ycar in CotUit:.r also the ri•^,hts of thoie who ortl.r tU P:Un1U:C :IIC l;c.^.:r«I h:.l''.11 Of thc havc JrciJc~f that they c;o not wish to, natiun : nJ cr.cuura;c slnot.e and s:lto rcgard an environment throu;h his personat ir.volv:nt,l;t in t::e frzc front smo.c as something to which can)pai;;n• to a.:opt n hcr.ltthicr lif:::tylc. they have a rioht. Tharc is an o!J saying that citarity bcLilts at tlurtc. Wh:;t Govcrr.rncnts and As I said at the outs:t. I reSard this T,cu, :,: in public ti : c:p:ess I;ood intcn- tiiil as an ir.:pcrt_:.t Ficcc or lc;;isl_tion. tiu,):, u tc or th, t:cs: :e:.ys (u: th:^ti to \\'t~lc it 4 la:)itcd antt sp::itic ia its in-, givc SouJ examplc is to practisc wh: t tcl):, its c ciStcnc: and its p:,ss: gc by thc they prc :ch. Thcre is no:iliny' in this IIiU l touscs of tho. Oirca.htas will be l to suc~.st that thc Gov:rnmcnt, thro5sh cvlL!:ncc of a murc gcr.:ra chaaSe in our the hl,aistcr for hinar•cc, tt•ill t:tkc one ap ;+ruach to the hc:ath p:obl.ms with penl)y lcis in rcvcnue from excise duty whi.:h wc arc faccJ. It t,,i1t, in my vicw, raised on the sale of tob:tcco or tub::cco make clc--r th;. Govarnmcnt's ir:tuntioa products, or to stq;yc:.t thct, if they feel tll t•:l.c p.):ilit•c 1::ion to pru:cet tae ti:i: is such a wtat InJ h: r~,ful ac- hc:,ttt: of our peop!c when it lics in tttci; tit•i:y, thuy tt•ill not a1:uw tl:c S:a:e's ac- pO~lcr to dJ so. tit-iti;s to be ft:aJed from ntor.cys raised The P.ISSaCd Of C11C lC•Qitlation will throu;:h the satC or tUbaccn or t.~h~cco c:1.lAla ull thu:c cnt:::rcd in thc aJ- prut!ucts, or nltcrn:lti:•cty, that th ry in- u)inlstr.luon of our h.:tlth scn•iccs to tcnJ to (aX tI1C111 so h:uvily, as wc:s sug- tail, wull convietiua anJ crcJi~ility, cs- ne:,tcd by the 1977 cf ths \;:di:o 1 ~...:y tu }auny p.tutde, ub;.:rt T+rcvun- Su:.i:a iC_scarch L'aa:J, ttt::t they t%;ll bo - ,.c %r.n..Gclr.c ::)d T•.o.;itivc hc:.!:` a:1d lc.s a:tr_ctiv: to th; huh!iC. •,ll us a nlo_:c the F;,ro_ T!:c Atinis:cr said h. has thc p,):.cr in ^ t r~_ .u.;as I,n t(lc spr~ad~ny; tnicr- this Itill-but it is not sp.:lled out in the c~unto prcvcnt dcath and ill- Lill-to makc rcgulations govcrning . .. ,. . . . .... . ness from smoking rc!a:cd dis:cscs. It is in this spirit that I commcnd it to Doputics for a Second itcading. I sltall listcn carcfuLy to the views of Dcputics on t!tesc propoials and con- sidcr any su:Scsuor•s they may wish to ma:e for their improvement or ior the better regulation of the situation general- ly. J-0r. nland; A grcat d:a1 of what the Itfit.iacr hr.: said aya tt•it; out s.",vittg, t:o to speak. Thc <lanJc: and injury to hc:atil and sickacss due to toba co ~I .NKivv~~_.~...........~ ._.... _. . . _ ,._._ 637 ToOaceo Prodvetr Dlrl, lt: OC'roelEx 1973. 1978: Seoond Srete . 65: 50094 Z I 9 9 outdnor _a-dGt.tiSing, ir.door_adt•c~( :t:j_ctuslL~lr [I:r~:.:ii:r:d~ticitc.;tas. O,~M):1SOf_5!Ltl-x1~ dt~:)IzyS.of outduar sl.:n. ia pr,Qal~t~_thC_sa:: of tci!i;iC_?t ;1A»5~s~ Uvcr t!:c past ci,att or nir.C years on vJr,ous oce::siJ1s here l:r.d in other ptac:s, I have objcctcd to Cills bcinc publishcd which r.re so v.^.; uc as , almost not to dixc!osc wlum their intent is. and which give to a?.tiaistcr an.1 his succassors, w;•tich is oiten t?ic ost 1~ot- ryin; rart of it, vcry Niac m ost ran,:ar pt)wers, alnto~.t r;crft• hh;:r:Ja~ powc:s to do what they will by wsy of o:4.r or rcru!ation. That is not road Icgix:atiU~. It gives tou rt~ch_(ow;r to a A)~.:ia~r to_ act in atiy viay 1:: r i1:aCi:ccitfc citi:cr Minis:cr' who wa:i:cct to carry t1:ir,s to an extrmn:e. Thc:efe:c I tan t:ot h.tppy bccausc this cill cucs r.x state c:cat!y wt:a the :r.t;zjs to do. Itc told us more in his sp:.ch utt:oduc- in- tl:e Li!l this thar is cr,n- tal:ud in the Ilill. th, cxp:::n:uory a:cmo: anttum or :/ny ti:i tg pul:;is"Cd in conncct:on %:ith the ptint:n; of thc 1ii11. The r.:ust i:r.portltnt sectton of aa liill is .cctioa 2 which Fit•cs thc Nliniatcr lxlwc: to mal,c rc,uta:ions. A d.lxcc of doubt has be.a buiit up. no: ca :sciwsly I am surc :)y tlw Minister, as to whether, when thc lli;t bc.cntcs law, cxist:n; -pons,)rship s by tab:,ccu Grnu will h,: a!- lowid to continuc. ;.!aay of the crgaaisations who bcn:Gt frum thosc :;lon:orships arc now in a diicmma tc,:ausc th,y c: r.not p'an for thc fuct:rc with any ccrtainty. 1'lt:y do r.at I:r•ow . whcthcr or not they will be ab:c to enjoy the fruits of such spu:tsorship irl tintc to come. i3ct•tuc the L?Il v:as puLlishctl it was indicated that it would contain a provision statitlg that cxisting sl:on- sors;tips wou;J riot bc interf::ud with and wcuitt i,s allowed to contiau:. I w: s not surp riscd whwn tha i,ia wa.c publishe.t to see no mention of c;,is:inc sponsorsh•ips. Subsequcnt to w ,tntcn:cnt by mc callinr. for cla;lfic:l:'on, tl,c Ministcr tv.nt out of Ilis wtly at a public I functiun to su;,-cat or;anicatinns n;cd rot b: al'raiJ uf la.:n,r, cxistin, :.ors'.:i-,)s a; a result of ti:,: pas:: , c of thic L'ill. Whilc some of us may not a;;rcc with tobacco firms sponsoring events, we . _~...... . ._.... .. have to acrcc ttiat' a number or v,ry. wor:h•whi!c spottiag evcr:s havic erov.-t •o a marnitt:dc tacy would not othcntisc have achicvcd wi:hout the lcvcl of spon- sors!tip :hcy were given ' by tobacco firms. The Minister s:,id: I wot.ld 1i:cc to malcc it clca: that it is no: my intcntirn to intcrfcre with existing <ponaorships to any grcat cx- tcnt for th: p:cs~r.t. I ara not s;ac how the Minister will prut•itk for tl;is in the rct:u.;.tions made unt;cr scctian 2. lf hc tbcs not mal;c fr:ot•i:cun for it r.o unJcrta;;i:" is givcn, r.r.J ti;crc c:n be no ccnailay in the m:n4s of T:copl: cnjuyi:); those spon- surshil)s that they can cor.tinuc :o enjoy thcm. On the oth:r hanJ. I cannot scc . how tl:c Minister cou!d build in a scction w;{ch allowed existing sponsorsl•,ips to s(.t ,~L.5 G Cortittu. 1. :1 1 I.c. us ta:ct; litc caic of an irish 0-5 go:f cvcrt wh:ch h.ts b,en s~vsac:c 'oy ~qrnbll5 J o.:,: n1:tf2sY Iris:t to:+_cco tirnt urc: t!,c ycars. It is now of t+orld:ti4e i:ap.,rt:tr.uc and one or the prcmicr gu1l:.:g events on the t::uropcan c~rcuit. Soa,ctitr.c this Yc: r this was descr.lh:J by a t.:.di:lr Irish jaurn.•t:ia as b: r:e s; onsorsLi;+ at its t•cry (in.at. Ur.l!er i!si. U:11 tlut: ori:,ni<1- tion taay be r..tifit:J by the \;;nist.r next year t~ta: th•cy can no lonL,.cr enjoy :,c spilnsurship ul::ch ilas bto,:,ht thcm u,ul.lv:it.c rcpu:c antl 1•.raviScJ ,o much cn;oYmcnt f.)r so raany pcopic. I do not scc how the Mirlist:r can provid: for such u: itt:::tEon in the II:II or in the rc;;u!~;in ts bccaa:.: then it wou!d ap;:;ar a% if he .wcr;, clca:ly dis- cnr.linain; in G,vour of tn5::cco tirms alrcaJl• spansorinc events and git•ing thcm nn ul;fa ir advantage cgainst firms who t:•crc not. In the case of organisa- tions who a rc runr,inc; ev:r•.ts, samc of t!lc:n c:•,joy s?orlso:iyias and sJnlc of tl:cin t:u c:Ut, ii t1:C \!:;:ist.r tt'ere to nak,: rc31:1: t:o1s which t:a.9 thu cficct of alkr..ting ex:atin;, sportiuE or otL•cr orr;,rtisations to couunuc to enjoy ex- Istln,t spUn'.Orshl;u, w1.1:C prCt•Cnti.'.r 'I Othcr spUr:i:1;^, or cu!tur;.l Orc;,niS:.ti~n; f:Unt nt)p:Nllltg for 57,7.1t~1r5!a?S, it wo1.1(1 )acat as if tl:, A:ina:cr were dis- cri:ui:lati:.R :•: l::tvie:n one p.ro-.:p ar.d 'nl,thcr. :'h:r~foru 1:: ~~•ou!d hav,: to 1t:tvc r.clard to Attica 40 of thc Con- stitution which provides: . .
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50094 2190 :.... .. _... 671 • Tobeeeo hoduc•tt 2114 18 OeTOr,En 1978. 1978: Second Srort 652 Ivlr. }Iauglcy.) promote good health can only be of dJub:ful value in an environment saturated with the aJ.ertising of tobacco aad alcohol-advertising which con- tinues to grow in volume and sophistica- tion. The \Vorld }Ic:Jth Ord:r•isat:un has b::a p:i:ticullrty concc:ncd with the mca"e of ci-,arctte smokirtg in recent years. As far back as 1975, it stated in a report that •'smoking related discascs arc such im, orvint c:,uscs of diszbility and prc:nature de::th in d:vclcp:l eo::ntries tl:It thc cuatrol cf ci ~•rcac srtul,i^.C co,:!d 4a more to in:pro:e hcclth and pr.+k:r., tif: in t`::e cucr.:r,cs than aay othcr siaF!c actisn in th: 1.!;o!e tic!d of p:cVcative mcdi:in:". In % Say of this }car, the 31st World }ie.tl:h :\s.:mb!y ca1:cJ for h?gh:r tares to h: }r.•.:h': J:J on citiaceuc sal;s and fo: restr,:tiuas to bc ir.lra:;.f on to;•acco p:on:utias in tlt,; rnass m::ia. T}.e .\;• s.au:y blar^,.cu tcb:,..o sno:ia;, as a ma;or causc of ct:ronic brunchitis, • cmphyscma ard luny carccr and as a major risk factor in Jlcart .:tacks, some prc;a..acy rc!atcJ disordcrs and other scriuus hca'.th prJblcats. Ti:c Ass:-nly ulso ca!ed on rncmher sta:cs to strcn;ai::;t hc•:'s!t cJl:catiun pru;;::rn:n::. a tuut s 1.::: in!; r.s p::rt of L:n;r.tl hcalth cJuca:iun an,l ur,.eJ :ocn• prchei:i%c rn.asutcs to control st noking by in:r:asinb taxation on t:iba:ettc salcs le :n osp a a ss on iyurus are, o and restricting, as far as rJssiblc, all I, ~. ~. C 1 • T b t .rg, ure fo: ma of p~b!icitv Cur pro notion of Iuoursc, or.•~ I.,c ttp o t te tcc arc no rcliahle r.tatis:ics about the sn:ot:in~. It ur..tcrl:nes a!so the ri;Ius oC I , s~ t num>••r uf •• ••ho h^ •° •o , ..l s cons t non•s:r.ok:rs "to enjoy an :.trlusr:here ua,~u1!ut:J by tuua:co sinol.t and the 1'/url:f Iic:tlth Org:1::i::c.tion itsc:f to co•opcr•ue with m(:mbcr states upoa request in dcvclor:nS measures to control sniokinS publicity in the media. There is no nced, t:owcvcr, for me te rely on any int:cthti;xla! :tutl:ority to ju~tif ~• this l:t;i;:ati.~a. Our own .lum:stic saua:l.,n cl::,rly d1:ra:r.Js that we act. The necd for action can clearly b;: un• deruuJd if we for.k at our own ti;;urus, for J.aths and illness which can be dir.ctly attrib:ucJ to ciZarettc sn:okinp,. •.• In 1975, there were 1,1y1 d:a:hs from lung cancer und a:soci_t,d cc.n(li;iotls. At a conservarve cstim,ac, 70 per ccnt . ... . .. , . . L~t~ 1~ ~~i ~ - . . „ . ef thcsc dezths are uttr•butabl: to sntok- ing and we c.tn t:.kc it, thcreforc, that at Icast F00 of those dcaths w•crc caused by snlokinr. L`ut srnokino is ;,!so a major factor in relation to two otl:cr inlpori:nt disczscs. Chronic branchi;is ar.d cr: plysan:, eauscJ 250 dcatha in 1975 in tt•u cctive a;,c ;;rJup, 3S tc 64, and it is catcu!ated th:,t at Ic:;st 115 of thgse were at- tributabJc to smoking. Coronary hcart di,xasc caus:d 9,795 deaths in the satae yta-. Thcrc arc a number oi factur; as- suciatcJ with such deatlts but it is nc- CCpICd thG: CI_a:Ct;C S:1:J::In:; IS a 111.110.1 I causativc factcr an.: ovcr l,tii?u of thcac t deatJls c:n bu :;trib:::ed to i:. Let us cle:uly a:ccpt, therefore, that in 1975 at Icast 2.(iti0 lrish n,cn and womcn died bccaus: thcy smo!;cJ. And thcrc il, no rcason, uniurtur•atcly, to bclioc that the numbcr will bc any icss for 1973. t Tlw nunlWr of ,!catha caur.d by sr.t.s:i:,g r,:la:cd Jisc»r.:s, ho:vevcr is i only ;l::rt of the tu;;;l pict•.te. Largc nur.lbcrs of those who ar: hospital I pat:cr,ts rcquirc trcatt:lcnt 1.): discascs ss:uch are, to a t;rca(er or lcss;r cx:ent, a.:.o~istcd with snlukir•g. It has bcen es• Wr cx:unpie, t!lat as n c:ircct rc:ult uf snlokiay, uvcr ti,6(t) p.oplc "a+.cc:l 25 awl 7.1 re:,aircJ l.us; ;tat I tr;:,ttn:nt in 1977 utla tll:u thcy s;lcat oti•cr !t)D,C00 brJ-days in ho::pital in that f ycar, p.. . _.. , u, ti:ir Fcn:ral rr:.ctitiuncr b;.ausc of ill- nascs whicJl are atvi~(:;:,hJc to smJk• ina. In the abscncc of dctaileJ ~t.ttistics, it is nccessary to cstimatc th: c:ct.nt to sl•hich such illness rcquires tJtc s:rviccs of Scncr:,l practitioncrs. Oie cs:im,ttc s::•;;csts that, in •iu rcncral n:c;:ical scr• vic,:::. ovcr 70.CGO cal!s on l::r,crc.l ;)r,c- titioncrs arc tlt,: cl:;cct rc:.ult of Snw;;inL rel: t.J dis;a:cs c.u:sc d:at1:s, lor:U husf.itc,l stays an(t illness rc- quirin;, cuniultatiun with Ecneral przc- titioners. The cost of trcating thc:c dis• cnscs l:as, cclnscrva:ivcly, been put at abuut t15 nli:lion a year, Th:rr. ;:rc L o:h:r co;ts which it is more d: :°,cult to cstiinato. It has, for btxn 653 Tobacco ProG"eu Brl4 13 (JCYOUE>t 1973. . 1978: Second Sro:e 654 calcula:cd that tJle :o;al nt:-nb:r oC p(:rst::sive zdvertising o,'fo:ci;a brnds working days lost through tobacco as• I wou:J appcar in fore:rr. pub:ications oa sociateJ illnesses would cost up to £:0 sale here, particuiarly those which co.::c mil:ion pwr:::,num. Thusc figur,:s arc ;iC fcult to ccJculats exactly auJ wc «rc eontinuiny o-tr ef(orts to cs:it:.ate t!let7 murc p:cci::ly. It is, hov.•cv,r, ct:ar bcyo nd an y(:isputc, t^at in dc::lir.; vri:: tlle cos: of sa.okinc rclatcd dis:ascs, we arc dea:ing •..ith a very st:i:sta:uial cost, not only in tac direct chn r,: to our health s:rvices, but in thc sacial and otllcr costs Nl:ich of ncccs•:ity ar:s,: throurh the i!i:l:ss of thosc .:lh.:L smohc. wht:: t::e ccutlo:T•ic coit is son :ahta;. wl ::il wc rmss: tci(: ir•:o t":AGGt,' it cau- not r(::Icct t!lc :, ::out:t of at: :uial, sar- row and hardanip which stl•.okin; rcla:cd dea!hs and itJnc::s givc ris,: to for so many people. Oae can state cuIrtly, factually and w:t!:out en:o:ion, tha: in our r,lodcrr, co:nalunity ci-^,•^.rc;te S(nol:i.^.Z iS sib'e for a Cur.si~;rat:c ar.laur.; of iar,css j tt ar•J a L:gt: n:S2J:r Uf For the I would uld be tny •acntio:l to b:d;n i:}• co:,- I C:+vcrna::n t to l::nr.it tt-e ad.crtisir:g of tobacco pradueu to con;inua u:tcontrol• te.t on a v,•ii"p :cad sea!c in :Ili: si:t:ation wo;,ld he sj:r:pty irresponsihlc. I s.•uulJ nusv I;kc to ou:iir: for tho }tnusc how I r.r.lpca;e tJ r:occcJ %kit11 the i:r.f.!aser:a:iJn Jf th:. I:•;islatiaa wh:n it has bccn cn.(cted. f'irst c.!• ;JI, to ensurc• th.tt t!:a (iircac!u;:s is fctly ia• forr•led of what is ha, p;ning, it is proviL:d in subscctior, (3) of s::tion 2 of the IIii1 that rct;ulations madc under thc Icgisl,;ticn s!,all b_ 1: id beforc cach iiouse of tha Oircacta:a acta:a ::s st+ca as pr~cGC~I aftcr tluy h.4vc b::n t::x.!1: aud such nay be at:t-t 1l:J by a rc,4ulutiua Jf citl:.r }.ous:. I i::tcnd also to try to tuacll a~rcvr,lcrt with tttu tob:x• co nlan:tf: cturcrs ai•aut t!lc contcnt of the rc&ul:io:ts• s• It i: my in::ntion con- sult v.•ttn tFcal and ;ivc th:tn an cpptlr• tutli;y c~f puai.:~, ?Jrw,trit their vtcws u;lan the provi%i~n: of ti:e rc:~::atiun~ b:fur: tl•.y arc mt.d:• 1 , 7:c cc.:.t:cls v.ch it 4 ir•t,:u!:(t to ini- !; pu':e ut1ua Ihe a~l•c:ti:in.,lf tobncro , products hcr: Illi;,flt, in ccr:::i:, circt:tn• stances, oprratc to thc dis::at;.r.t: ac of the Irish tobacco it1J!:stry iil cocl:s t:rc o;lcra:vJ in oti-wr :oua:rics , rnd this coulJ c:.atc a sitt:atiorr in wtacll / CC14~u~1~A~,..ri Tt d h it l i i f f from tthe United l:iny,duul. I intcnd to I ensure that :hc Irish industry wi : not be p!accd :t any dis ::lva,a: yc in this s:zy. I ba;cvc taose co:lcerr.cd in the UK wtl: r.spect the s::(wtJry st.n.'!a:dS i.^.i• powd !lcr, but if do r.ot, ulcasures svil! has•c to b_ta_:jcn 1 •6ituCti_Wlf -Tlic Y aspccts of this lcgislation, pcrhaps, which have attracted most comment and interest atrunp, th: rer.cral pu!lli:. ccru:ialy an:on; t.`.o;: ia:cres;:d, in s, artir,~ at:d : ta!c;ic acttvi;ics, a:c the eiith %-n:o:shin. I r . 1_ seou!d likc to rna:cc i; c!ear t:,: t: is :lot my intct:;:on to intcrfcrc wEth c,cistin3 sponsorships to any grc:.t cxicrt for ta: • present. I rcalise that prc:ipit:tc action in this area mi,tht cause sr:iuus prob:c;ns for s;la:ti:.E ;>J:cs a nd tro!iin,; tl:e s•olumc of s;.u:lsors;:ip r:°c! prcv;n:ing the uadc::a:i l; oi tlc:v sttrshit•.s except in very spccial :i:cum- stances. I will a!so ro c-:%;tu::y int,: thc cxtcnt of thc pro,^.:ation cf tc•; : cc•o pros(:.•ts er,z:,:sJ in dun.:g t!:- cvcr•t sp.tr,sorcd. 'I•li,: rr;;:d ttictr,s n!so v il: , rus i: c foc thc cori:ol od'tl:, tatai ar.:.•unt on :.dvcrtising and the nature and c.n:c,•.t of such advcrtising. Tl:c adl•crtisinL of tobacco products in cincmas will be phascd uut alrnost ininl:~;atay. ~\I! furtLls af outdctn• txl;_cc a;: 1•'••i ~c;ver- li;'~ ~~~:! ~ p.ri.arUJ( ' c -- Uc;.u5cx will have r.ot.J that CIE has already ta'h-cn the initiative in restrictinb, prior to phnsing out, tobacco advcrtis• Ino. I sh:::l b, ast;in , them to eonsiJ,r in• crcasil~v ta: av.^.ii;:bil:iy of t1c:1•s:n::%;in; ar:;:s an ~and bus:s and to in::n- sify the c:,itr;s t,ley arc a::cady rnat•inj: to pcrsuaJc their c:r,totl us tltct thcy shvulct oasrrvc titcr: n<m•s,no!:in g arcas. 'I•tlusc whu trara aaroad wtll have nuticcd :ha: Acr Linl:us in common wi:h oth:r Iiurun.:an airlir,cs h.vc now 11roviJcJ r•on•stno`:nb tr:.ns in :::cir it1:1~S ' n,l Paa::e'l,'•c:; arc rC• aust.J not to staokc in thusc .tr,:as and this r(:qt:cat is noratally co:apticd with. .. . 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