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DATR January 20, 1994
TIM 9:00-10:00 PM (CT)
sUtZ110StK ABC
PaOMAI Prime Time Live
Sam Donaldaon, co-anchor:
we caught them before, and, tonight, we catch them
again: members of Congress living it up at a luxury
Florida resort, courtesy of powerful lobbying Qroups.
Although what they're doing is not ill ~al, many
critics eay it compromises their ability to impartially
weigh the public interest against the speeial ~terest
when writing laws. This time it's not just your elected
lawmakers who are getting the red carpet treatment, it's
also their staff inembers. Chief Correspondent Chris
Wallace has our hidden camera investigation.
Chris Wallace reporting:
It'e been a rough winter for much of the country,
with punishing storms and brutal tcmperatures, but some
members of Congress have been able to avoid much of it,
spending their weekends in the sun.
Howard Coble (North Carolina Representatlve)t Playing
tennis was fun. The comradery with the people there whom
I'd seen beforel met some new friends--that part of it
was good. 8o, it was a good weekend.
Wallace: What makes it an even better weekend is that,
for members of Congress, it's all free. All expenses--
plane fare, a room in a luxury hotel, meals, even tennis
and greens.feed--are picked up by lobbyists for big
companies that have a vital interest in the laws that
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Paul Equale (Independent Insurance A.qents of America):
Look. was this an exercise, to some extent, in
relationship building? Absolutely.
i+lallaeee The lobbyists are so intent on building
relationships, they even take congressional staffers on
trips, wining and dining the young administrative
assistants who handJ.e the legislative details. Critics
call it a blatant effort by lobbyists to curry favor.
lCathleen O'Reilly (National Insurance Consumers
Organization): It's glad handing, and it is essentially
saying 'in exchange for us pampering you and making life
comfortable for you when you are out of town, we want
you to make life comfortable for us when you are in the
legislative process.'
Wallacec But when we asked members of Congress why they
and their staffere go on these tripa, they said we
were the bad guys for following them around.
John Breaux (Louisiana Senator): You ought to be
ashamed of yourself in reality. I mean you.r program's
becoming like the National Inquirer with a TV camera.
iQallace: Members of Congress accept more thaa a
thousand trips a year from corporate lobbyists, sosle to
raise money for charity, far more to exchange
information. And many are scheduled for sun-drenched
resorts while it's cold and forbidding here in
Washington. All of it ie legal, within the rules
Congress writes for itself, but some have called it
legalized bribery.
Two weeks ago, the action was at the exclusive Boca
Raton Resort and Club on Florida's Gold Coast where
rooms go for more than three hundred dollars a night.
We first went there a year ago and found seventeen
present and former lawmakers having a good time,
courtesy of companies like U.S. Tobacco.
Tennis Club Announcer: We will see you next year.
January 7, 8, 9 for the 1994 Corporate Charity Claasic.
Wallace: We're not sure they meant us, but we decided
to come back too. We set up our cameras to see which
members of Congress would show up. But the event
sponsors were making their own preparations. The resort N
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cordoned off. only lawmakers and lobbyists could get
close. When one of our people, who was a guest at the
resort and wearing a hidden camera, tried to peek at the
tennis courts, a guard rushed up to ask for
identification and told him to leave.
There were other changes. Last year, the corporate
sponsors got top billing. (Visual of Sponsors on sign:
v.s. SurQicals Warwick, Baker a Fiores Patton, Boggs k
Blowt Air Productss Forstmann Little & Companyt
Prudential Securitiesl Skadden, AAPS, Slate, l[eagher a
Flom; Texaco)
But this year, only the charities that would
benefit were listed, with no mention of sponsors like
U.S. Surgical, Texaco, and Prudential Securities.
(Visual of Charities signs: Great Plains Food Bank=
Mississippi Special Olympicss International Institute
for Alooholisa Rducation and Training).
Breauxs A charity event--there's nothing wrong with it
as long as it complies with all the rules and
regulations.
Wallace: Louisiana Senator John Breaux has attended the
Boca Raton event every year since it started in 1990.
Breaux: All the money that is raised goes to pay for
the cost of the event, and the rest of it all goes to
charity. Now, I'm not sure what the return is, but I
guarantee it's better than most fund-raising events
for charity that I've attended.
Wallace: All money fros, the event ocsies from corporate
sponsors; no tickets are sold. U.S. Tobacco turned
down our request for an interview but said off camera
that sponsors this year are giving sixty-four thousand
five hundred dollars to charity.
But the coat of putting on the weekend, according
to U.S. Tobacco, was more than one hundred fifty
thousand dollars. For instance, the lobbyists got
eighteen golf and tennis pros, like Ilie DTastase and
Roscoe Tanner, to play with the lawmakers. Just hiring
the pros cost in excess of seventy thousand dollars,
more than the event raised for charity.
Frank Lautenberg (New Jersey Senator)s When the
trappings to get you there are- cost more to provide tbe
benefit to the charity, that doesn't make sense, and you
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Wallace: Last spring, New Jersey Senator Frank Lautenberg
introduced a measure to limit congressional travel and
ban so-called 'charity events. 90 far- the bill has
gone nowhere.
How have your colleagues here reacted to your
legislation? -
Lautenberg: I would say, publicly, support is really
good. Privately, 'Frank, what do you want to do this
for?'
Wallace: Friday afternoon, day one. The six amsmob.rs of
Congress begin arriving, and right away we sN sose
familiar faces. Senator Breaux who is an avid tennis
player heads for the courts. So does Mississippi
Senator Thad Cochran who's been here four of the past
five years.
But there's not just tennie. Oregon Congressman
Bob Smith is off playing with a group of Iobbyiats and
golf pros. Congressman Nick Rahall of West Virginia is
also on the course. Congress is considering several
bills aff.cting the tobacco industry, such as a tax on
cigarettes to help pay for health care reform. But
later, Senator Cochran says no one lobbied him on the
trip.
Thad Cochran (Mississippi Senator) : ldell. I thinlt
they're trying to get together a group of ,people who
want to participate in an enjoyable event*and at the
same time make contributions to worthy charities. I
think that is the purpose of the events.
Wallace: And you don't think they're attracted to the
fact that you are a U.S. Senator and that you vote on a
number of issues that affect their businesses?
Cochran: Well, there are a lot of peopl who are called
on to vote on these issues, and I've never voted on on*,
one way or the other. because I've played teuuis.
Cliff Douglas (Consultant, Advocacy Institute): There
is an inherent conflict of intereat in me®bers of
Congress being flown to play tennis at luxury resorts by
tobacco interests.
Wallace: Cliff Douglas is a consultant for The Advocacy
Institute, a non-profit group that studies the effect of
the tobacco industry's lobbying and campaign
contributions. N
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be bought for a weekend in the sun, ars you?
Douglass One tennis trip doeaa't make a bought senator.
4n the other hand, a lot of theaetrips and the
acceptancs of a lot of political action committee money
certainly does make a diffsrsnce.
Wallace: Saturday morning, day two. Virginia Congrasamati
Tho®as.Blilsy is .sariag the warmup that sponsors put
into his gift bag. After breakfast in tb.e tennis tent,
North Carolina Congressman Ho..ard Coble, another regular
here, takes to the court. Later, the tsaais touraamient
stops so lawmaksrs and lobbyists can have their pictures
taken with the tennis pros. U.S. Tobacco says the
wsskead costs sponsors two thousand dollars for each
lawmaker, more it their wives comn along. But
ConQreasman Cobls sees aothiag wrong with it.
When thsss lobbyists pay for you to sp.nd a w.akand
in Florida, do you feel you owe thsm anything?
Coble: No.
Wallacs: You don't fesl at all bshold.n?
Coble: No.
Wallace: At all obligated?
Cobls: No.
Wallace: Compromised?
Coble: I don't. xo.w maybe I'm sort of oddball by not
feeling that way.
Wallace: Sunday, day three, and the tournamspt .rraps up.
Senator Breaux mskss it to the finila playing with
Nastase. Latsr, he joins ConQressaan Blilsy and Senator
Cochran in their matching warmup jaoksts to hand out
a..ards. And Cochran ..asa t the only one in his of f ias
enjoying the Florida sun.
senator, you havs a fsllow on your staff aamsd
Haley Pisaksrly, is that correct?
COchraII t Mm-hmIIt.
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Wallaces Do you know that when you w4re playing tennia in
Boca Raton, the same weekend yrur'administrative
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Cochran: Well, I didn't know it at the time, or if I
knew it, I had not thought about it.
Wallace: That's Haley Fisakerly at the bar wearing sun
glassee, Senator Coohran's twenty-nine-year-old
administrative assistant Nho' been working on Capitol
Hill for thre. years. For two days and three nights at
a resort in Key West, insuraace lobbyists hosted more
than thirty staffers from soste of the most powerful
committees in Congress that vote on matters affecting
the insurance industry.
Hquale: Now, did we have a discussion of the issues?
Absolutely. Was there so®e nefarious, underhaaded
eecret handshake? Absolutely not.
Wallaae: Paul squale, Senior Vice President for the
Independent Insurance Agsnts of America, says there was
nothing improper about what was called the Congressional
Insurance 3emiiaar.
Nothing nefarious here?
Equale: I don't think so.
Wallic.s' Nothing to hide?
$quale: No.
Wallace: Let me ask you a question. Who were the
staffers you invited?
Rqualer Oh, I don't have that list at my fingertips.
wallaces Would you give us the names?
tquale: If I had that list here, I'd be happy to give
it to you.
Wallace: Equal., who helped put on the weekend, promised
to try to get the list, but when he checked with the
other groups involved in the event, the word aase back
no list was available.
The insurasace lobbyists held morning meetings to
discuss matters of interest to the industry:
establishing a natural disaster fund, baaked in part by '
federal loans so hurricanes, floods, and earthquakes
don't bankrupt insurance companiesp reform of Superfund
laws, the industry's goal is to limit its liability in ~
ha:ardous waste cleanupep and health care reform. The 0
industry wants a say in the final outcome. N
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This legislation, whether it's passed or killed,
could mean huudr.ds of millions of dollars to the
industry.
$Quale: I'll say it for you. Clearly, there is a
financial comdponent to most of the legislation facing
any business in the Congress, including the insurance
industry.
1Pallaoet The meetings break up by noon. But the
lobbyists have scheduled the rest of the day for
socialisissg. Some staffers head to the beach where they
can charge their lunch and drinks to lobbry.ista .rbo sit
with them enjoying the sun. Others head for the golf
course where lobbyists pay the forty-nine dollar yYeena
fees. One night, cocktail parties are held ou an
ocean-front pier and a rooftop veranda. hnother night,
there' s a dinner on the lawn of Barry Truaata' s winter
White Hous..
The insurance lobbyists say their weekend trip
didn't compros<ise the ConQressional staffers anymore
than paying Prime Time's Sam Donaldson to speak to an
insuranoe me.ting last year compromised him. And they
nots that our industry group, the National Crganisation
of Broadcasters, does the same thing, taking members of
Congress to play golf in Florida or ee the shows in Las
Vegas while at the sase time se.king tax breaks and
opposing new regulations.
squale i There is a.rell-kaonrn quote from a bygone era
in politics that if you can't tak. their money, drink
their whiskey, and eat their food and then vote against
the®, then you don't belong in this business.
eaturday, it's more of the samri meetings in the
morninQ# playing in the afternoon with the lobbyists
picking up th. tab, whioh, by the and of the weekend,
comes to about a thousand dollars per staffer.
OoBeilly= They become the symbol of Santa Claus
becauss...
Nallacee Kathleen O'Reilly, President of the National
Insurance Consumers OrQani:ation, says the lobbYista are
investing in a relationship with ao2gr essional staffers
who have tremendous influence on Capitol Bill.
O'Reillyt For a t.renty-sis-year-old, often for who this
is their first major job out of graduate sahool, it is
pretty heady to suddenly.be put in a liano aad to be
catered to as if you were royalty. O
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Wallaces The generosity of lobbyists certainly isn't lost
on oae s<embers of Congress. Congressman Coble doss not
travel often.
Does sastie of your colleagues abuse this? Do soae
of your colleagues go on the circuit?
Coble: oh, I'a sure they do. I know for a fact they
do.
Wallace: You want to tell us sme of your colleagues
who abuse the privilege?
Coble: I'd be reluctant to do that. I could name thasl,
but I think it would not be proper for ms to do that.
Wallace: Senator, do you know how many of thase corporate
sponsored trips you took?
Breaux: I have a record of thea, surs.
Wallace, In the last five years for which you filed
disclosure reports, you have taken fifty-five trips ovar
-a hundred and forty-nine days. Senator, you're one of
the most frequent fliers on Capitol Hill.
Hreauxt But all of those trips have met with the rules
and regulations and ths rulings of the pthics Col4oaittN.
That's what we are guided by. I'm not guided by Chris
Wallace.
Wallaces In the past few years, lobbyists have paid for
Breaux to go to West Palm Hsachs Yort 1[yers j lort Walton
Beacb, Scottsdale, Arisoua: Palm Spr s= Las VeQasr San
Di.Qo and San Yrancisco. There's no 1 t on hom many
trips a member of Congress can take.
You're kind of on a congressional travel circuit,
aren't you?
Breaux: No, that's not true at all. NoW' yon mentionsd
the naaes of nice places. I don't select .+hsrs they
have conferencest they do.
O'Reilly: The access is the o:ygan supply of Waashington
lobbyists.
Wallacss O'Aeilly says that constiser groups like hers
can't afford to take members of Congress to rlorida.
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Congress passs .
O'Aeilly: T'he insurance industry would not spend that
kind of money to take people to Florida if they did not
know from .xp.ri.nce that it would work.
Bqnalea It you ar. trying to be involved in th. public
policy process, it certainly helps for people who are
also involved in that process to know who you are, to
r.turn your phoae calis, and to meet with you.
wallac.: And don't these trips giv. big bvuiness, give
lobbyists like yourself, special access?
$qual.i
I don't b.li.v. so.
Wallaces Meanwhile, sm* members of Congreas say, as long
as the rules permit it, they sen no reason to change.
llre you going to be back in Boca Raton next year?
Br.auxt If they have the event, Id like to. I think
it's a good event.
noasldson& You should know that about a year ago,
Congr.ssman Andrew Jacobs from Indiana introduceda bill
that would mak. it a federal crime- -bribery-- for members
of Congress to take trips funded by lobbyists. As yovu
might suspect, so far nothing has happened with that
bill. But you can be sure that Prime Time will stay an
tha case.
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