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Robert A. Falise, V. American Tobacco, Co., Defendants. Status Conferences. 99-Cv-1392 (Jbw)

Date: 08 Jun 2000
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98271654-98271670
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Bicks, P.
Fink, S.
Fox, D.
Grossman, T.
Kassner, J.
Kraus, A.E.
Molster, C.
Sexton, T.J.
Stengel, J.L.
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1UN, .26P~u ND. 0076 P. 26/•34 3 ent ba 5..._._~ 212 801 6400; 06/13/00 10:17AM;,)&WW q605;Page 13/1E 19• 2000 . _-..- ~•-:..r.. J 2 3 4 16 Fafiso v. Amoricam Tobacco, et al Coudanealt"" Jane 8, 2000 5 nybOSkss and c4mc= amokiay acts syot:tOistiaa/ly 10 causc 6 itntg cannr. We get an incotporqtiun of Wt: smtte ra'yon,u, ) 7 bElieve Yallr ] lonur wotthi a8rtc dtld Is a aqra okar srattSMnt. 6 1xe coun•r. I du. Why sLoukla' I tttiR be +nvwecd 9 specifaadly with a yrs or no aad idmtity the setwtrnta that 10 you maJe, I Nrould pcant out, by to way, tttat PhiGp Masris' 11 aaponse includw a bt of Ch/rgs tltet uscy didn'c say so I 12 don't know ltrnv it is icyptulsivo Io o kuetlon about wlwt you 13 wamod Qte publk, 14 la ch<rc anybaty hoc who's willing to defmtd thls I IS MBponsn to nxlnatt nunlba 307 16 MR Mas•tr,lu vaor Houor, well, wcJust ttot tbin !rst 17 ni5hL 18 7'Ne mnvt: I(<uess that ntwns no. 19 [wn- MOtstrx: t'm lave for fhilip Mnqie but I think 20 the appn,ptiata thing to do is Be flrsr psalc of thc Itartr 21 indicatos tltctc are tttpr prallntlttaty qtou8htx on our resyonm 22 dtar th:y'vcjtut gonm apptuwly. 1 thinklf you waol to 23 sa duwn a aoparato hrdrina and dpl with theta things in an 24 nrdedyYaabion- 25 nn: Cotntr, t waut to do it fast heasune I rlqnk that Pago 45 t •rttti Coea1: the attachtnons anntt: aftar the fact so I 2 didn't yst a chanco to look at thtm bm 1 huve thna 3 Ma, pnvN: ?bat's cuntst. Ilqn it tays: Admit that 4 yeu ncvcx worned asbwtos c.poaetl individuatg that ccpaswL to 14 uuttn in Flori(h U.at cigatetre smaking causes lortg cantxt'1 15 M8. PUJC: Yonr tiorlof, tltat it is a cauat ° dWr l l 5 Ms- k)X: rour Fionor, uveU, I won't tvspond to it 6 now, we'lI deal with it in the mcct and canfa with rtspmc to 7 tluu btu 1 think rhe iasue tltt:m is not in rhe snawta, it is 8 in the question. Tbl; qutsilno is: Admit 11wE cigatrato o strwking cautxs lung clulalr. Well, ytq, as ws eaid Mtiq it ls 10 a cause of Ittttg wnet7, It doesn't nxsop that i[ altYays rstsaa t I lung cancer or drat it neraysadly trtrsss lung t5ntrr. 12 TI[E CAt1RT: YOll can't be 9e11oltg. I1cm witH' - you 13 Imow_ Didn't wme of ih6w dtfuttdenta mke uuc Dosf.tlon in 1 Page 47 answw is yGw? Ms. r+Ox! That's ottr bcst judwttant in our view, 3 yes, sir. - 4 THB COUxT! 'litet'e is nobody in this room who knowa 5 anything with d4atrlutely peti'ect cxrtalaty. 77yths can only 6 bt ptaceivefl, not ditowr. What truth do you perceive with 7 rtspect te rtqtttst to admit number 15, that the nn.vwcr is yes? x Ms. FOx: Again. that'a a Jud®emcttt 1s11 and our best 9 judgement is that it is a onuye of lung centzr. 10 THE COUa9: so, your jtalgCesan[ ia the answer is M I1 12 I thc position you :uc pdting for putpwcs of this litiptiun is rcqttcet ntunha 15 is atitttittrd? MS. POX; Again •- 'fH8 CtHiRT: aequOSt ntltttbq 15 is atlmdtrd wlihMll 15 prciudibv to your n:quest to awve for =(ntSidCralitat to $ow 16 to tho Court rhai it sltouldn't bc. I don't undastatd how you 17 can ddty it. 18 19 e+a-nwtsTn7u Pm happy nut to wait two wwrlta for the Dext Iwtring with you mtd do it on an expeditsd 6aaia 30 17iL' CoUAT: I'm ttot withdrawiug my otdra, yuu can 21 move for rncortsiderati.tm fotatelly atxt I don't t>adetatand it to 22 ba anything but a yes respanse_ 27 N.y. NOX: z11is ia only 13 & W'a rcaptatse tltey've put 7.a in the letkr to you, thuy havat't given cvraybody dsc's 25 rtapttnse. Page 48 1 rBE ezAtR'n• Bar attybody demiod iYF fiat anybudy 2 dalirsl trllueu to &knil nw,btr 157 3 (IVu teponfiG•) 4 'rnr cnunT, vn dttlnnd.nt has dptiaA it It is 5 admitorf by everyann. 6 tatt!wW art+xx I ebink die phiGp Mmris responee is s 7 difPaentasapoeBe. 8 7nF wtnrl: Yvc aaknQ 0.1t anybody datiql it, is 9 thac nay mba¢co uompany wlq ii a dcfritdaat ia tbis cau that Page 46 this srr.oed rtqulst is quit6 otear and that this is not rWnsivtt in any way. I also aprz, for eaample, that yottr responw; to texlttasc atm,bcr 15 is an attcnpt to say yea without saying yes antl you amd to wlawer tlyae, diroctly. can cause lung canar, that it is a caosc of Inug canp;r. 17 1Tt8 CtWRT: Thld doisn't say that cigarewa :uswking 1 a in6'vitably causes lring uslrca , it doeam't say tbat cigmcnu 19 ymoking is tla: only tausu of Sung cenotu, It say9 thar zo cigataxte smokirlE utttats lung cancer. I don't und.tc'etand how 21 you can deny 111nt. 22 MS. F'0x: Your Honor, *ain, Ynur Honor, we have , 23 slateat in our bGBt jeki4e7tan In our view tbac 9ntlltinj:' is a 24 cwtae of lttng txmW, 25 rtaECptlR'r- So, question uumher 15 ia ndmitttb, tla H. Driasoll, CSR 10 Qprita that ciEmmlle motoldng eatwa Itnrg pnts>'1 I'd ltko to II teur about it, 12 M& tca..n31 nleo Itraus ,n trLalt"of RJ. Rayoolds• 13 Your4imor,Wahaw-- 14 7nti cort4rn rY1.ycW dtay, if! ' 15 1.10. ttiANR F:Kl:apl /M 11t IHYe dCa:ttbipj W1Wt our 16 poshwn ia, yn6 twdenytla nxparot. ,. t7 3na counT, ra, daty tket civldtc cmoldns mtus 18 Iwtg concv end tb.rwill be Yam' poaftion at Wal7 1 want 19 Ihis adsnitced or denied, I don't wmt it awetted. 20 AdtnluW or dadcd Jbr Ill. Rsynold9, la it atlmiacd 21 or duniod? 22 Ynu wili 311 eeher adatit 4r dmy ft by lumotraw 23 aloso of burlawe. I dou't wnn[ tt couchrd G Is adminal 24 or it is dtnied. I ctanwt bstlevu dyt you inu:nd to 1iri8nw 25 wi,c qumlinu in front of u jury. Pap 45 - Page 48
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~ N0, 0076 P. 30/34 3ent b1UN,19,Z00Oe 51Z8PMG 212 901 6400; 06/13/00 10t19AMjJ9f& H505'•Page 17/18 • Falirrc v. A:uatdeau 7obuw, et al Condcnsdt"" June 8, 2000 Page 61 I 7HL' COUfl7`1 t sCe. 7 MR.6ROggbtAN: Now, we don't differ wi I'It the 3 plaintiffs in saying that an anAwcr to an inrttrOgyttuy o9n 4 rcfOr to a ducutnettt but the doctunent has ro be relevant and S has to aaMVr the Inrerogatory antW this one duwn't. 6 rMG t.'OURT: 8tup, 1' trttdereranri that complaint. I'm 7 wger to hcar tite plaintiffs Isspnnss. 8 Ma- x aYSNEn: Your Honor, rhis is -- ro be honest 9 with you, this is tbe first time 1've luokrd ar ths:ir 10 contentifm in that 11ght. I I 11trs CouRT: '[fiia is datcd.lNay 3. 12 MR. KA,A9Ntiit: This le flta 17(At tiapd it's been 19 cxplaioed that cleatiy, rhe fust timo 1'vo heatd it uplaine4 14 that clearly. 1 s THg Ct2[1RT, I tbink you betlcr suppleattatt your enawcr 16 to intetmgetouy nttmber five thcn attd you baatr do it by 17 Monday- 18 MR. IcAsaNSn: Yes, Yotlr }loeor. 19 MR, CinOS.qMAM Your Elpnar, the sanu; would ga with all 20 of thc similar intaroyetoties, As I said at the lrlyinpittg, 1 the otlrr net of interrogalron'es that I'd like ro comparc this 22 with are Ute M}ct set which is intetrogawry aeven through 23 nine vWtioh {s 1at pages eight thtough tm. That nt:k4 whdher 24 rhe plaintiffs contcnd that tbe mtcy of filner vcrsum non- 25 fiicor cigareeee usc among ptaticipapts or htatcFlciatias 21 Pa,®o 62 1 dlfk=d mnurially ftum tates of filter vnrsus rxm-ttlter use 2 in de Anxticaa publie as a whola 3 Ap+in wa refer to Dr. Fiarris' reptut but in 3eatbnt 4 Br. Haais,' rtpprt he givea no informutioa, dltrta', indirect, $ sublitnaced or otLnrwiae, ahoat thc part4cipants or 6 bcqpficiatioc in cmmpsdsoa with the nmerioatt publio, In 7 fact, hls rnport in taHtiog about the dealitttng use of non- a Iilrer eigarctus refcr8 to tlte gpwral Amtriutn public tmly 9 and that, gimilarly, his toport with reuatd to tht: turtt 10 tuwatds low tnr cigannt" rofers to the Alnerrioan public 11 only. 12 Now, f aaetttna front that but 1 tlon't have as a clear 13 answrr, I aa,ttmte hom that that the plaintiffs are,wyiqg that 74 they wl[L offer no evidetm that'ho :oubrogprs in thie case 15 c:lwt)itd svwlting from filter to non-filpX cigarotaLa or fran 16 hik,her tar ro low W eigatcuus at rate8 different fran th6 17 gctxyt'at Amtrican public. 11Ktt:'s eimpty no infonnation in 18 Ih. Harris' raport with trgar+t to that and just as an aside, 19 if 1 may say, dw* questions tGffer in tlwt ,ytTae frtm.m tlu 20 precWing qttestinn whieh is why I'vo raised this conflict. 21 (iiven thal~ L aavme that we'n: eutitlod to a 22 straightfonva¢d ensWer fhal tbcy're not pping t0 giva thot ,• ~z3 IIaka .twe owsaaatGm at afal amf, sa:vndly, we'n: etniUal to I Za sttaiglttforward ansvrcr8 to the aw-wndLng conltmlion 25 htterrogateries as to why fhete's no dtFferearc betunxin bltr Pttgtr 63 1 cntier wadres or,, in fael, thmobhteeollar +wrYus. 2 AtRK wAsaNUa; Yolc Flolwr, vx dheco-d the tkfeadants 3 lo tLo apsifio p.gct of fh. HMrl.' tapurt wEtta he discuuas 4 me fllla' vcyuv notrfll¢r us:e and those ate tlte cona'ntions 5 ut'reyoing to nadm. 6 Ytutmu4m andBar's it? 7 Ma. tcesetaca: YCa. a ntOCOVn•r. wcR, iPqtat'e OL only avidcneethey 9 have Wtd ymt don't thitdt it ttn>ds the inttzrogab>ty, thp: I 10 aupposc you'ta in a pa~d poaitioa but yau'ts cmtamty I I ., enthled eo thG supplsvnmmiiYq 8t0 aubpma(p'apha that 12 comsol husn't contldaed.nd I v,iR rsp:Ct you to nsantnina 13 datt tlamtgtutut thic applicatica, 14 1 d0u't L'now whatalw 1 aott t>ffer you today aod 1 IS don't havc to mcind sapldaticatd comal IYre wclavc 1n 16 ihta toom a/ thcir dury to supplmte0t. I don't wont w bc 17 hao no ttro cvo nf aml and b.•c you supply fnr thu f¢at 1$ time n icspon9c tLat auppltumts dda possibly sktaMt,y proof 19 wldi duc,anen4 ond in6vmuuon dtac you've hsm accwilululing 20 for mvitba dnrh4t iltb dixa'my pvcma and qoppiemeots nno 21 feil swoop at the md nf diacovery. You h.vc a miling duty 22 to suppiarRnt nnd I apeor you b bo doing it an s wy 23 eefiWic Laelt, I don't waat anybedy cayght by surprise at 24 d¢v:d, 25 ihme paiiae pattbt bave bttat dnougb a lot of Pagc 64 I ditR<uk lime end picasutu nytng to Qtl ttds case CC2dy for 2 Iriel, fty btw dto btndcn of Qaiog fmnt, Nobody Was tn 3 ho made tu P nrst, we all lwwsczaber tht fmm tKlntt r.hik9at 4 in cknmntoty ucboot. Thby'tc dning 14 lot's kern haot 5 tb.a cxpttrinacx: and tne liud arisdRa on tlt cvc of niul e wilh pmkkmt of tho mvgnitado dw tttay'te aavggl:log 7 o(hairably dneugh in fiont or ou of us, 8 mK ORWaN6W Thank y6u, Your HottOS. Il' I csn jaa, 9 m11lrt smc tLis is clatr, tho pLsiutifPi will rupplonad thom 10 inaangarorio by Mooday and if rtv conmlac to aat0ova ahat I I wc have not rocciwd saaigtt tmpaaan to t6ose, we cboWd 12 tapply to the CauRl 13 rtm coutxe Absotutoly wlth oao mvocidua. I thinaR 14 tFva tho iSta framcc Vtat wc hnvo mmtlabhr to us in tbw I S carc, I'm golny to give uxm a wtrL. to aopplromt Nw ~ 16 naponse, I dm't = any subst.ot{vo pnejudxs tmdtr thesa 17 cimluntWneetandliralixonowwdteomhisgaboutn.wtodan 18 unc x.a of inttrropatmica but qtkr aevasl. 19 ba oxoaec.t.tK ao, we can expect tht.n eeat 7yursday`1 20 •raocrotrnr. Yn. 21 sm tcs::Nrat: Ivr thc nxord, xc rtneiwql 120 22 diecmay roquran und made a very good faldt afRat in 23 providc dt1 dribsl.nis with tosponsivic enswps. 24 nta COt1B7 t Intqt no douln: concludina thsc vryvyona 25 in thix roouf ia acttoy Ju gond timd4 tC Co N V ~ Qi CY) (D FY- Drixoll, C$!t Page 61 • Paga 64
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~ant aJUN, 19. 20000 5t22PPho 212 801 6400; Falisc v. Amaican Tobateco, ot al _ Coqdcnftlt 7 I edd{'esa that. I tllust say that juac having found att shout it, 2 1 don't rtolly fully know oli the detaile nnd it puts tra: tft 3 xmnewhat of a digaQvaMa)lc. 4 rtte, t:ouR'r: would you prefer to handle it in a 5 tolcphonc confixvnce with Mr. Moister totnorrow. 6 MR. MU{.itqd0: TtWt'S fine. I'm in a dep tmmotnsw, I g rax c"OtJttt: I'm going to have to call my •- why don't 4 you make a nole to wmc up to Ine at Ihe end of this, ttite'II go 10 dovanfiw'trs to my chatnbm, we' ll look at my diary and we'll t t pick a time whert the Uuec or us can talk rn~er the next day or 12 rapo. 0 Mn. wus`re4r rioc, latnatrmv or Monday, whalover 14 warks I'or thc Court. 15 NR. J1iCtcs: Finc, tJwrk you. 16 z't(g Gous'r: l$enJc you. Is rhe Dr. Glnnmings pcoblen( 17 Btill alivC? 18 Mtt MOtSTDR: Yes, YourH,onor. 19 tiita.'olltci: vtTy wall, 20 MR. Mpts7ru: 'rht: prublem with Dr. Ctamninge ix zJ raflcolcd in a Ietlttr that my colleagne, Mr. Ugarte, wrote. 22 T1IE Cotrtt'r: I have it in front of ine. 23 Mtt..Mots7ERr Dr. Cummintns geve us n 41 page rcVort 24 which idenqFied speeiftoally a bunch of documeaat that ho 2S inuattted to rely on, Ihat'y pitte, and rJ{e relief we:(eek is Pagc 14 I dtut ho bo IimileJ to tlut. '1'hot; weee xnana vagrc,rtksosoe3 2 and O(6ra wus in thn u{Atchunontr. you may have.m thet, Your 3 tionor, when I say vasue rdfarmoa, in lam of tclianco 4 dncumrnis, thouqaads of inedical ot6eW3, toatbookx, jonmale 5 andsimQar maurlete nn di,eaaes cuuaod by smoking, aaar 6 mutjfanunua and then Inaanat dtoturtattS of tls ciganab 7 indttmy n.vvalcd duoegJt publiaatiun on do Io4rnrna, n*.>iical B journals and tJtroto tho pscss and Iitiyatiao. 17wt's a 9 p.epy brond array of maqyals. 14 F'olbw'mg up on dmt wa bcQen to wtim loaex 1 I statdng a mnnth ago qo;kieg clariticatiun atwu( what iltsa 12 otirr mataials waac. Thn fimt one was Mny 6 whiuh ws 13 attachcd ta Mr. Ugas4's Jtnar. T(MgO, we finaily gof a 14 leuer an May 30 with a 60 paga wlioneo fiet which Indadrd 15 1300 dootaumts aAmc of which we(a naualFy ntuttipb doutoneatt, 16 1'm told that the et(imnt is 30,000 pnsa, and tltio tator 17 says that - It deestt'i say thean ato the talinnee dn:umqtts, Ia il is $e semc siaation wa Jtud with tdr. tlonum two.vads aQa, I 19 ftnc am tlq drn:umdtts na>zi.+ald thuu oounsol sad/ar m&d 20 upon by tbc winwse. 21 Well, undot' 26(a) we'm cntit4vt to know what titp 22 huxi. nrhiF npiniun is nµl wJrrt docmnaia: tn's tclying na 27 So. tbe trfid we reqtteat ia that he jmn bo tnyuitel to tdy 24 only upnn those doowamq which hc spr.arv:ally cites in th: 25 162 footnoa,'a In hls sepntt. in their Jitta uf Juns 6, which can do it at Junch, t'hrtz o'clock ro 3:30 your dtne. OB/13/00 10:13AMr,l~'~6p50P. ir'y~ a110 Jun6qr2000 Pa,e 15 I was also attrched, they admir that the dttcutrmrs, the 2 addidtmal docuntenrs identified ato cutnulativo of the 3 dodtunaats cited in his reptgt 'i7taeforo, we don'c ete any 4 subataatiai prejudioc to our opporrtnt; if all thesc odtcr S dowttttmts are ouly cttmttlative. We're q+tlling to go fotward I 6 based on what's in his repos btxt we don't wffifr a muIti'day 7 depoaition wh{n' we're elogging along trying to Fgum nut, 8 okay, which of these docntmnts, then inherently wo'rG not 9 going to 6e ablc to get it all no matter Jtow long the dep ix 10 and we have the potential for ambtiah at tripl. 1 I Stt, Ihe rcW thave ia jusr rhat ha be limited to 12 the dncuntcttcv spccifirally idendfied in his report. 13 Mit s'nNC.yt Yotrr Honor, Jim Slettgel for the 14 plointiffs. On the Cummings issue the Itstittg is fmn a 15 tepmr tiatai N.O,wt of 1999. - 16 -t7iii t.`ouRT. That's the original li.srieg or the 17 Utpandai listing7 1 g Mtt. s'rewqtu 7Jwt's the txiglnei listing that d cy 19 wish to tusuict bim to. Sinoe that tin,e most nf whnr 20 Dr, Cwnmings has Ionkcd at, he Is our mtpert on hlue cWlsr 21 matkating in particvlar, how thesa defettdants targebed thc 22 tnxy claimHnta of the traat and, Your Honoe, as laoe as this 23 week we're getting additional blu: collar markaeitth material 24 napmesive to inidal teqtrsts made last yrm. Now, we can't 25 he deprivul of the oppottuoity, to have Dr. Ltuamings tcvlcw Page 16 1 ilnt eon of manxial. 2 I do want to addtras a sotanwhat bnoadtr point misutl 3 by this applic+(5un acd it does nut mmx a nwnbpr of otltQ 4/hi,V and I don't wunt Your Ihxar to miamidarsand what 1'm 5 saying because this isn't a h: hit toe lint argttnuad but in 6 Gdgarion like thit yw do hu.c lo coac m z cnndatan 7 spodord of acnduct fnr p4tintiffs and drRndants alilm and 8 dJs tnoy be, aa Your Homr hears this, eb6mo nn mc lecouse 1 9 shouLl bc running in Isuo complaloiog about the conduct of the 10 dr.fLadanu but dc wmplaint Is zaisod nuu 4aa ase 1200 11 ifemt on ddt expoodod lwt; t4is is a v.ay cotnplicsted plcc: 12 aFtldgutian, we're moviqg rs 4uictly aa we can tetder a very 13 tipht time sehaluia io tta dtis dont bta to give you a for 14l Jnstanu:, I dq(oted tk. 17uqbAn one of tbc ddmdante' danmge I S cxpms, on Tllmday nad Wetitedday of this wede. 16 His, and I'll use this wvd advise+Jb, trJiaoce 17 mat3iul nppmnal in tny alRcr, 21 bad(ea's bcw(w of it, an 18 Friqay_ I conlintuYl to ga production durJn4 iho dcqnsh[on. I 19 1 got now fosmulnx, I ttot now mamlal, I aot two boxes of 20 Inrwuusion on dat aecond day of (be dtpoaition, Now. this 21 didn't maJm ae: happy, L didn't tnnke my IN6 asier but in my 22 eapvienee of litiy.tiou oP Wis paa: awd oomplu<ity, pRVpk 23 aoting in gutal Caith ure ypitty to have thingr, h7t.: that 74 lwppen, 23 Now, thete ia eonhision Srrauma addressed this H. Deiecoll, CSR Page 13 - Page 16
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N0.0076-P, 29134 sant eJUN,19,2000',C 5: 27Ma 212 901 6400; 08/13/00 10:18AM;JedhXk505g_::Page 16/18 --,.~.~.. ,...... -'~__~ -- 2 4 5 6 7 li 24 F~8h4C Y. 1(trp~(ptln T'ObCCOz et aI __ CondCQle] Pagt: 1 sttiOtftuwanl manner. 'flxsy laid thst plaintiffs make no 57 June 8. 2000 Page 59 I ahaightfoncurd quuqon. 2 Ttle couRr, wo11, just my obatrvatiaa Is tLat your 3 cooqdasnt ia dw tho oriCqtt>: dtat d>c pininilf}k po3nt m in 4 xuppnn of 1har positjost in nsppnie tu your;atarogewry 5 isn't going Io bc pmauaaivc at tbe trial because it is 6 subject to crosFSmmination. I don't undalae+nd limt m be a 7 valid objmtlwc to aa intasvgorary twponse. 3 advertiaisq; was mly diffistmR riwn the general .4mc'riean pubGc contention that, for acamplc, the hensf'icxat'Ies' rdianc; on 9 MR. GRtay,yMnN: well, at Iravt aw know that but we 10 nartl to know the ba9es for tlieir rqnreaciona 11 THE CqUA'C Yes. 12 MR GRpSSMAN: I-d llki: to dilCCt ynur attentLN1, 13 Your Honor, if I mny, to Lwp 'Y.'tY of 1nrATt/$1fefllS Ihat 14 dotnonsttate pasticulatly our mr.d and, senondly, tl+e eRtertt to 15 wltich wehave nOt had our qucrotions answctcd. Looking at 16 in"atories rlmlu through six wltich dr,tl with thn quitCnlg 17 rates scnong the subtngor groups and eompan:. "in with the 18 ge,rral Annsricon public. 19 '1t1N ct7UATt 7hi9 would he ou pagus SiX, sewx, and 20 e4ht Of tab B? 21 Mlt_ GROSSMANr t'm SUrty, inEGiRlPlurilA St[, ee't'en 22 tmd eight which are related inuerrogTtaids. 23 7TIE e'pUR7: No, or th®t du: natd'ing habiry of the hencli[olarlea and partlcipaula ats diffannt than the gcnlGtal Amnrican public but ai to uthers wo cssetttially Sot stiffed. '1'nE COIIR7: NOw you know which on,~8 ttCy'tn gOinP to try to prove at uittl, don't you. 25 contained at pagcs - yas, ooolaincel at paaat uix. etiwea and MR cROSyMalv: Pm aotty, thtbe through six which aw P®!qc I tvlghG Aud Pul Yuqy, tkose ap, mturnQawtin5 four through 2 ail, nd tbtuc d.o%b six. 3 tuukiny at imxroptmy fouq it asslw wbCher die 4 plaindka conAxd atnt,tanking quit ratps amnng paroticipmtv 5 pr benefloiarics have dtftiuW matmMdly frem dlo smotiqg 6 quit rava of tbc gcoaral Amaziam public. In raponae th: 7 pLaktdffs rnst ob,jnes to aamc Ieums as baing bn.d b dda, a rnu aroRa t:verybody objrcts and tWm dwy answ,r_ e bas. cwzaMMU u motainl but gcnkg pndt duso 10 objections, tbe plainGfli n:Pcr us ro Dr. Hassis' rtport of 1I lanury 10 and to hia wmputc Progratn and formalu antl aay If 12 ddicodants wich to canpare the quit rats, lo tbe pWn clWbic 13 population wiN ttw Nuti®al Astr,etos Wodass quit rotns tbat 14 Dr. Hanls INd in Ibat scpna W{th scYesd to dio gcuaml 15 populblion of privpCiy ibsuced Paauns. wc can nultc Ilut 16 compurison. 17 Scvaxal probbns with that, Yoar Homr: >he'fitat is 19 dat tfq Btuo Cress Bbm Shield fononln of Ar. [fanis, aa 19 I]r. Haeris has anid, is not that of t6e gmMSOI Anwioan 20 publie. yeconeltfvyiatbarttu:quiUingrate•-thr 21 quilting caa progttua.ad the refaettce dnnt not cenve to a 22 ekar sMaaien[ ut any poiot Iboi tlK quitlina nns ,>M ps>,pk 23 wno an: m ue bawliuauy anu purCOtpent g<nup diRir in any 24 inaueninl ttaprtt with tlw Anaaicao public aa a wkplpnod I ~ 25 tbfnY wn're eotblpt to a str.i[shtfo.wosd answu'o a 9 M0. nRQ=MM: Th.v'a mt my oNCCdon. Tnn mupr. Tbcn you lmvo ao tslp cua 10 Ma, anoswhfMA rm oaa mwlting myptf oltar. I'm I I tryleg w find oul whmbu ths p4ointifR, in fact, an going 12 su contand at n•ial 9tat 90 quil ana nf dn pasticipoats 13 and baietYcisrks ia focl atn diff4ttnt fmm tho quil retes of 14 thc Amqicaa public as a wMtlt:, i S 77¢ aollRT: I taYu It 6; aneulq la Ihal Lc yg5 and 16 tLn yaur bKiR f6rSayiry; )ns L+ the inruarraRon fieun 17 Dr. Frmria' tryon? 18 Ma. sasswM- xMt'a naract. 19 'tue WuRT: Idcndfnd in dlia 1nIQMantory answv. 20 M4 RusNl7h aud our pmblrm is the way tGko an: 21 weddl, it aqms io be that ib: deWunls wuc asking wb:thne 22 die stotivwfe wc'a: going tu 6c fYStug Vnac basod On dro ruads 23 dmmaetv,s and wo'n baaini; de,n On, you know. a subse<Of a 24 xub8et of a subsa of n gfteral .a a largEr pupolation. Wdrc 25 basmg Aan ou sutlstiea, aatitmd au~i.~ies far rAcvatm 5E Page 60 t wwrlter, for a3hsatos w0&ecs„ar. So, that was the cau3o fur 2 our nspottgc. 3 1`uP rnURT; wdl, let ate ask you smnnhing while f 4 have tha ability to 3Ped< with ynU for a moment. Mr. ILazsta; 5 1 tpke it Ihat when you rtamed rhple answers, you understo0d 6 Utat you wuld not jnst pick soma responsive informntion and 7 cvidtaoe in tCtpoosa t0 tJx defeudatteq' intenrogermy and that R mix as of this data in disanvmy mferg to rJr cntin: 9 univtrrx of aralistital lnfortnation ar indivldtalircd 10 Inlormncon available to the pfedntiffs which the plaintiffs I I interni to tsse at trial to detnmsnate a quit rate 12 diffenuitiablon9 13 Me. KASSNkR, You'n: corruct, Your 1Cfonur. I• 'tlfe COUtCr: I don't know what rdief I am give you i- 15 if that's the casK 16 MR. f3RORRMAN, Your Ilospr, tMtat I would simply nun I i 17 to thu neXt ia"atory. IB 7VSeuUlmAllrigttt, ~' 19 MR. GRGSaMAM t.ootaag in pnrdcular at 5(B); State 20 whether yo¢ Oontend that ths difPtnatms in smo74ug quit fues 1 21 tstwe.m pattleipants or betwF~cieticx nrt the ona bnwd and the I 22 8enerul Amalcaln public an tlte othR hand wm: due to any ~ 23 cnnduot o!'the ddit:uhmts and Idantify thdt cmlducL 24 176. Hatris's rejwri Conttlna no infurmation of any 25 kind in chat regnrd. H. DL'irteoll, CSR Page 57 - Page 60
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ient tM,19 20000 5:21PMa 212 801 6400; r~ Faliso v. Aman:can Tobaraw, ct AI Condenscit"' Paye 5 I TiiB COVR'r I havc a muubn' of maUcty in Wraing 2 befo+t tne in Faiistt so I gitoas ne'II jusl iCt siastal. . 3 Thc ortkr tliat [ put than in lmda me tn wani to 4 begin with dtie Julius ltiniunnnd depoeitlCn, 5 nt& tdctsxtul: dtarics Mointa from Winernn & So-awn 6 nn itrJtalf of Philip Munis. Your Honor. Julius Itiu4nnmtd was 7 dw Slu" Cimvral or dw Un([cd Staia ttvm 1977 io 198I . 8 I•le is on p4tinuffs' witnrss list as of luss April of this 9 y131i as a fact WInRSs. 10 'mnawn'r: ttightw i 1 :ux IMot yrtm: wtce wu ° We br,liuvc bt:'s htrn an 12 cxput witnpa in avay odta sacelni s tesdfied in. Oncu wc 13 suW his namc un tha lint, wt;obviously wans m know what lu:'e 14 going to sny 4nd not Ilr antlalu:hrd at Qial, ats We subpornaetl 15 him for hoth tltZ ptnducdan of docmoetus anti a dopusition. I6 The donnaumss wcrt duo dtn 19th of MRy, lw dcp wns ti.v 2616, 17 Wc movcd ttk ticp dak at thn rcqucst of pluinti(fa' uounuei tq 18 June 2. A few days bnfote rhe dep we pas a atact of docmtrntt 19 which cio clrsvty not tho doCUmca18 I dtlnk pn+duce4 by Julius 20 Iticknond in tuqponsu m dp subpotasn but insa.ad appe4r to he 21 seViance dne.ua!Ma 6r dneumontc hc reenlvcd fmm Noss Mo11ey 22 that IOnk a tot mmc rn us lllx telianoa dosutnptia th4n 23 documentc Re. Aictmiond had. I tmelc counsd dtssn't diapuet 24 dus. You enn tdl by scaoe of th, fit% liuta~ in fact, Ihat 25 thoy wcto faacd itm3 Nws Motley's South Carolina ofnee to Pap 6 1 deir t>ruvWCDl:c utFicss 2 Tnn tvtmn You'tt: spwking ti.ster than I can bmr rv 3 iNu. DrlscwP can nomse. 4 wt. nsO6a•raR: vbo auhmmtw of the donwneats, Yotw S Honnr, iltehrdrs ]ns of doouasertis thaL postdatn his 6 invulvomtt as Sutgeuu Gettttul und luis ul' dswunwtt3 Wtt dal 7 with cra.nd ctq Wattt rpplic4tiuas that tmlly huvn nothing it w do with Dr. Riuhmcul 4nd whicb he dotanl have any personal 9 knawledix ubutn. M4ybe ibcy would be uppsqsriule, I don't 10 wm cnnctak thaL bus i( hr' Wae an etpen, it mlpyt bea I I difiumt snalvsw. In this casc as a fact witttets• it 12 appeata t6 us dut dtpy'te trying tn ennvmt him tn an 13 Ltpet, . I think wt0t Ness blotby got dacap; or buwWm . 14 w:qve in qta rase il ttluy luve taat aPttn ttte rhne tnt' I 15 dcaixnutiun af ettpqtt had passnd but dqt's not a basis ue . 16 dnn' l ihink w eonvext bBn intc an esperr at thia point. I ~ 17 Obviously, tin Falaul Rukst pruvide fur 26(u) ' I tl diselosurm, eepwu& miinaut matpitrla. We tlan'T have any 19 nf rbm and it'a a subsuattul ptojudw•u to us m mnim o have 20 io face him aitber Rt 4 dapuaitiun or at trial as an e:spas 21 when he's nut - wo dma't ewm beve dta +aports. 22 So, the tdid'tha wdve reJlu,soted it thnt ynu mder 23 that he's a faet witnesx, nut an expcrr wimess, and thnt he 24 will net be opinfng 4s 4ial, he Will bo titsdtal m uztifying 2$ about the fiwiu tlnd euNOnataace6 while hc was \utgooa H. DtisaoU, CSR Jone 8, 2000 Page 7 I Camoral, Aud that with t®ptrt m tlmso donumoma. t6nl 2 pWintiffs wake a goed taith liat to us of ths dneum-Aus ihcy 3 actually inkatt to uae witlt him or ttial and otll ny bow, dwse 4 ure mletql in hia swiee as Stugon Gdneral and that way, 5 his dcpos•islon dnan't ttted to be a mutG•daycvcnt wlaan we 6 thtadt atuand trying N l3ymt: oM htwr c[Rgasd applicalinns 7 la4vc anydtittq to do with Jullqc Riohtannd. 8 YOIU 1-ionar, 4 eimiiar I;aue baC arisan widl tmspees 9 ro Jobo Patuty und f don't kttoty if you wnant tw to dwl with 10 thut now. it is not in my kiner, it fi9s uriscn maa tuctntdy 11 and wo um put ihnt un tho taui of tbc Gst if you'd lft. 12 Txta tauar. Anyiiting we can tesolvn today fm happy 1] b try but nusybe It m.ka smse far mu to heae thu rasptmsu to 14 the firal probkni bnt•atc I begin ao eamm11plela dt0 second. 15 Thank yuu, Mr. Mo4ta. 16 aut. Mus.u•rm+: Thank you, Ytror fitutor. 17 aat. atescq, cond +fklnoon, Your Honos, Peter Bkks. IR rue t:auxn mr. Btckx. Law an; you mday9 19 MR. aint& vay finc, lhwdt yna. I think lhc issue 20 that is fr.nsd by Wiu applk:otion ia wlcdw or nat a winuas 21 is alkwcd In look at atulrits ptior to a dupnmition. Wc 22 think of cuuxae, that it ia pafectry apptopriate for dlat, 23 for o witleSs to kqk at doouments ia:Fpte a dcposidon and 34 Dr. Richmond. s Mr. Iddster haa poin4d ouv, was dte Sutgiqn 25 (jd[l7ut of de Ilqited Sptes. I'tn tId awltm of any Pilp 8 I psnMbiCon of ihOwiltg a wilnatf dpt:4nortls dlat may haVa Itml 2 cnmtod after be was tho Sutgntt CCdtcral and, in fncy dw 3 subparaut that wac wtval on dtr. Rleimtund ~ptmsly askt for 4 any dnctmtmts thul huvc btm pruvidal to him in ounnmtlon 5 with this c4re. So, in dtW teaptxt I sae no -- nuthuq; 6 untowant uhcut ahowistg hbn documstlts aed disctoqittg uloss that 7 wa have ihown in L'ml. d Your Honor sheuN be aware dtat we nddrased with 9 Judgc Wdttstaa at our Inst scsaion dte protocol for dac I II timiag of ditsiosuro of dncuutmm that a wltneaa wiB tux on 11 dinxt ttYthmty and we wae ddmdt>fi wltadW it waa 24 houn 12 or 48 boura hefaro ttx wittkfc was Romy m>elce 1pe s®nd. 13 Judgt WCmaMJn said [hst hn wudd Rhn to h9Ye it ai ksst ?A 14 buuta hdme a Wlmrss taMcs the suad„ mmnulQ uhviansly 15 mnwidtsteodiag t1nt, dasutUSn6 ABpin, that Itaw taax s5m.m 16• to nr, iUciuaond have bmtt turttad ova end wa earrainly havc no 1 , 17 qttahns ubout snaYing 4 goud f4itlt effart to conritmp to , t•p :a nuc:oc VwlulM11w wu{ AC nt°1Y•Q mqy no. N,uw u1Gt. IV 19 On tht quwttun uf cxptat vvaua fuG katitnony, a, i V 20 is ocr view that Dr• ftiebmnnd is primaAty, if not i CD ! 71 ,nnt,:nw.w . K.r.vieiucc. wn~.. srnnne fu. nr,bn:fM ,h~t CJ7 ~ 22 da"c may bc uuas in this cano whwn witnaam who slc fact I w,4,WNa~I 4,4r , .r.-..FNw F4,uub Y.W u e/qy N. W//.a.. Y/!.J I 24 ma raikitl alm t hdief's it d dtbl s aP 16 c n W n . y G g g an n uc. o n 25 ces9ainly don't vkw Dr. Richmond ux . Icuhi 26 uxpvZt. We I Page 5 - Page 8 N0.0076 P. 16/34 06i13/00 10:11AM;jgM p505;P0ge 3/10
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-ent bJUN,19,2000c 5:21PMo 212 aoi 6400; osltaioo 1o;izAM O,JeMyf OD76 p NSO~'•rege34ita „ Filise v. Ammioan Tobacco, ct al PaUw9 i 1 obviotwty at this poim aro mnpping out tlto pnr,ixe naAm: of 2 his d'uat but I ran tdl the C:oan tint the focac of his 3 ieaGmany is 8uing to be things that occurntl whik be waq ule , 4 StuBam GCraaul trf tisa Unitod 3tnaa nnd, quite candldiy, it 5 maY inch de things thnt he did not aoe what be wua the $urpnn 6 Cicwal ot Ons Uoited 5ttate5 but that he wou41 have Iikad ta I hatv saea whu. hc n;I, ds: 9urgeon GarMmi nf dtn Uniood tl Swcs. 9 11z is a witness that is known n dcse tlefmdants, 10 He hus talifia6 I vied to count bp the ntnnba of Nnt¢s I I bdbrc I oatrn hae, rnany. cwny nrnml Ho's otasawy t2 astltjvtg in the 8nge1 aasc dowo in plorlde. Hc's tesqlyutg 13 ln rllc punidvudatnaip: phasc_ Hc tetdflod ln the liability 14 phasc. Thls i9 Sdtmmmc who is Yny waR known n tha%a t S defmdmts and that nmlly conchu4s rhe preaatadtur, Your 16 Houor, 17 THE ct1VRT. Aii riQhl Thank you. I8 I uodersrand dte etgmaccte 8uu have 6een uwle by 19 both sides. HavinB feilal tu list Dr. Rit:bmontl aS an caput 20 witacas and undoyumdiag from Mr, Disks taiay dett piointiftii 21 do mu inmrt to oall him os an acpon wiows. I trxpecduily . 22 ceamtuncrod tbat fudgo Wcinsa:ttt prmiuqc ttc phuniiffa frtmi 23 tonderinu Dr. Riehomnd as wt otpm al trial or Wykiny him 24 quedans thut nro only appropriately prvfferel to an wtpern. 25 With respeCt ta docuincn[n, I agRe with tk` ~ Page If] I plelndffs that It is appsoprialu for ti>aan to show th: whmus.q 2 whatever dncttnwns thLy think arc app[opriara Fkaaevit, ttWar 3 the unusual natwe of Dr. Richmnnd's haokgyound and tho sctqat 4 of this litigation, and by unusua[ natno wbnr I tnran is that 5 ht:'s nnt disce9y tiad w mry of dtc parties in ds: aase 4nd 6 hda 0cnaation lo thc diapum is souscwbat htditna and yLt 7 quim broatl, I rldnk it is eppsuptiatc to tcquiro of dn 8 plainUffk !hu which ibo9 weu[d bo n:lrwal la do in aa 9 atdinary Psetrial txdL: wea uuc Jtmandcd by tba jndpx io any 10 eYCatand that is m pmvidein writkat f6tp1 bofotCthe I I dopusirion, it woubin't osttiuarily be taquired bdau the 12 deposition hut in this cane I wi11 raquim a writat prolYor 13 with mpmt ta Ilre scopc of dsa wiroras' dlrcct testhtumy and 14 what you Inxnd u+ dicir frau him at Ciel so thm tbc 15 deposition can he efficimdy cunducaod. 16 AnytLing rJsc with rmpect to Dr. Rieknaod7 17 Mp. Mol.n'Fx: Wo, Your ldonar, 18 'rne t.v(Jar. .A to Mr. 1'aury did you say Mr. Molster 19 Ma Mots7PA: ves, Mr. pbnny scmally workul with I 20 fh. RIOlhnond in dm gu~rannKati I11 tMs dFmw dnte petW. The 21 isauc with Mr. Pxuty is onw ogain we asat the subpo+su, hit 22 duuwemn9 wwa due on t6o - 23 flin covpT: ts it the samc issuc7 24 MR. MOISTiIR+ No, wcll. it is a linie bit, it ia 25 aiptilarbnt-- Condeeeeit" 21 defnr dn depnsirion utpil afctr the 4th of July which we ve 22 aot no hncrost in. T6eo I reedvcd a/mta dhc next dey 23 Indiwtinu the tlCpwition wouht ba Gfnlinuod uniiausnlly 4w 24 July 6. 25 1yc'la QyIDg n prt.'pBte t11ir. cGC EN n1al. We do June 8, 2000 Pagc 11 I 1 'tuowrJp'h nut dlE(qans7 ~ 2 am. ssotsxeit Boncwhac difl'amt, th.t's w•hat! was ~ 3 trying ta say. Judge. We subpomaed him for docmrseats ti>et 4 were duo on the 17th of May. Undet the rnice you g¢t 14 dayB I 5 to object. No abjectSon, no ntrhing. We Cmally umc hrxe, 6 last tiuc v.e wutelcnc nn thc23td aad rcmind fram aur 7 oppornOts in thn cotuLoom a day fnr his d:posisioo which was B Juno 13. [t was actually nne uf thc - it was llsad on d+c 9 ktta laxt tinx of tltiogs n miaa whta yrm Ymv I4onor which i/l wat tevoived a fcw minutes befi.e you utole the hwrch and we I 1 uotueay ptu it on dte r4cmd. hiu deposition date would be 12 Jun 13 but still no dxummtr aud su 1 wsutc a tare 13 mtiuesting bie dtuummts and [ got w raponsc. 14 Wc acnwlly qikal to Mr. 14any nn MondnY and foumt 15 out that he was - his answe• was Noss Modny, is in chwge of 16 ptodach g Ibc dncvrceots. It eounds n uc a Wt like tle 17 Julius Richumd thing_ Hr• also said, l havc a hrwycr and I'm 18 having Wub1e gp6ng Cn daauruats roS dc. Afta that 1 19 got a cull Ywm Ms. Rinsr at Nns Matk:y indicating da:y wac 20 haviug probkms catnng the dLeummw togiaitet', rhLy w+utpd to Pago 12 I nor want to apend tho ,moe and alPon going drrough the sama 2 tidng with >Ne. Petmy, aand we don't wwd to be teking 3 dcpnr,idnna that olnso tn whrn we ought to be gLtdng+cady ro 4 try tWa cesa I ta8a•d to bfr_ pennYs 1atL9ts', Fsank Mcllon 5 in Vieginia this nn,nhtg and T aaid ahat's up with thuc I 6 docanwa, I'm going n hu in crant, Pm trying to lilpuc this . 7 thing aut. Hc said you'vc gnr to talk tr Ann Riuc as Nata ' 8 Motkry b¢aust: dley nte the tptw who uc olling him ar an 9 apat witnws Jn Wis ayss. I raid. Mr. hfadott. is it your )6 undYTJtaad'alg that Mr. ibMp' it guiqg io be en txpGt in this 1l ca.e: a4 74h, my uMcesandiag is he's ee capasr wioneas. 12 He said it Ie mc dom tuneR, I wanted t<, nudte ause IBor that 13 righc Appa,etdy his lawyc thinks hc ix an acpcxt, pmhapa 14 he dunYs ho'a an eapon. fIc swc YwYs IllN it is tha 3Mno - 15 situation wiRt Dr_ Ricimmd bm, io any event, w had dm date ~: 16 of Jun:13, w0 hod rava agrted to go brymd ltuo 13, wc ~ 17 bavea7 got his doeueons. - 18 Judgc Weinstein on June 2nd was talking about the ~ 19 need to tedutx, to out this eave down end hc tkssa't wan[ a 20 ndnvsntion of tbb tobncco custa. Our position Is tnat j 21 bawuso Mr. Powty tmg not produned tlte daemnmts, 5kd no 22 objeaionc to utn cubpoann and apyaandy Is not going ro show ~ 23 up oa the 14th o(Jutx, hn shuuld not be a witoaa in tlda ! 24 carc. ---- 25 MII. nLt7Lth Yoltr iianar, I gnrBs I'll anrmps tn B. Drieaoll, CSR Page 9- Paga 12
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Amerim TobaCCO, trt sl I Z 3 19 to say that you waived yow'cight to intetpose a stafuot of 20 lintitations dufenue and catmot identify IhC specific am in 21 which you did so. 22 MR STfnv(ipt.: .Nrl opc poiat, a prutwdlrad objection, 23 this is an iauut: that Mr. LaRachelte has buan dealing with, 24 hu.•nttse of tlht vtry late notifu.'ation he eouldn't be here 15 littritatiutts detataz which you aey yeu can't aakaowlodyu you i6 did because you don't know if one was 6witlg to be autweasPo! 17 bccstteo tha clniras wetea't lidgatttd beeause you waived rhu I S sranlrc of limitations derettse, why don't you just rephtasC it 10 bo happy ro liquat, It sotlnd.s tn me likc you're having a l I eatwntic Arourttatt about wltat a walvbr is, ff you tvanl to I12 ptrayt: it that you agteed to waive your rir,ht tn argue the I7 swttYe of limitatiorts defea5r or to intapose a statute of I 14 liatitationa tkf4f9c insMad of w'niving a staNto of 7 givc that to us. 8 7xt=Cnult'r% I think d~; plainriffn' positlon on this 9 point Ig much waakpr. If you'd Iike ro "plain it to nx , I'd N0, 0076 P, 25/34 06/13/00 10117AM1,JefFW k505;Pago 12/10 CoadeASdt'"t Page 41 aegotiaarl settletudrt that was mtcsed by ilk; courc- Rite tral issue Is dre Plaintiffa' inability to idenrify spocific costs that would not have gOno forward but for the waivl,r- Tbat is 4 lhe admission tlhat we were aocking to respond to the isaua. 5'Ihcy canaot show that they haven't tnitigoted their dwnages. 6'11v;y haven't 6ven that to us aqd 1vo'rc asldng Y'otu ilooor ru Jmte B, 2000 Page 43 I to do with markas we'Yo alnady diseusgpL 17ese sosm m ua 2 k> ha rather new 141ttra. I munt suy that tsoal just IookG% at ] thm., my symparll6 fur thc plaindffn' pna3icuntmt aro not as 4 kcL+r ac you mippr think botanyo I am, fir txampte, toading 5 yottr loqudst to admit muobm 277 6 Admit dut you ntart wa+qcd t1F puhtic -und ynu'II 7 lavc tp 1'orQiva rac •• srnoMc cigarplit, is ltnnkt an adjativd ' in that sqntacn or is it a vqb; is ir qmqka cigarmna as ~~ 0 9 opposrd to anotlax kind of eigWettes boeaute far peopb 10 expwcd m aBbesWf and who amolm oigaretats •- nns. n.vtt: ihnt's eortaa. 1 12 iur-couar. C amit thnl you nrrvs warned oq public 13 r11at de ritVt of contmotitg hmg eaoccr is srctter fnr pmple 14 e:potsd ar asbesmr who da sttmke elgoreCa daq for peopk I S nrpuad to asbasrus who do not tmmkc cigatattea. 16 1 tblrtlt my probkm wirh tbnt mqlk/t is th.t as 17 wnyad, it sacemparrm any waroins tha smokiag is dangtroui 18 to ytstr Ieolth, I dddl, baaruve paopk being capoeni to 19 aabcslm Ic a nantaM. Aoy waming of any type uut smoking 20 is dongiuta would be raportsivn to that nfquqt in admft. 21 Sn, if Philip Mota'is put thc Stiugeon G;nasl's warning labela on us ciRatuta naalragra,llbiok 41at they 22 23 would Jtavc to muwer that they could not adalit that seqneal 24 hrlattge by doing so Ihey warned pmplra lnclading peoplu 25 today. I think with Your PToltor'a nttggcstion on tla; rrcord. 125 acpusm to ostcatorL that tltay wnto in greatQ danga by PaF 42 I given nu more dran,tive days. Mr. tsROchGk tlnd Ms. Fox oaq 2 pntsllmubty work somehieg tpu Ihat will answer tbe uwlandeal j igsnet. 4 Tam catmr, tf not I' II nntt:min n confhr+ue with 5 tho two of them to work it cut hocousc i thtnk It Is important 6 To 9at tfriy pinned down, I exptcTd an this a very ptphcit 7 atul dirct:t t®pamx tMt said wc a f{urd ttrx ic w ogain. i 8 don'I wunt ar gCi hogged down in rGmnnhcs. It is a vt4y 9 clcvaly oralkd trstaxtso but I don't Winlr it is a vrty 10 productive Otle. I think you undrx7and why I feal ttrat way 11 and I bope yeu're gniag pa worlc it our ln aoourdn»a: widt the 12 spuir of my rqnarks. AR right. 17 Md. PuX 'thank y0n, Your Honor. 14 Tp¢ wuttr: Tlktnk ynu- 1 S Spdcing of tote sarvad pmbltms. I've got o vmy 16 sort of - t don't wantt to say ahsayot but a mme wnccpmal 17 'ulher thin apzific a1 of rtnwka by the plrmrifPs alm by I l e Idtc dalofl Iunc 7. I don't know if yo¢'d lfla to amplffy 19 dan but I weulrl lilet ro - I.hato sanx initial ydumki dut 20 maybe 1'1l mlke about Ihem firrt and we ean sx lf wn can '21 ,aldn•As sonm ot' thls more ctixply nr you can e-.n mu why I'm 22 off tLe mork. '23 C'ltat of au. I undCStand that tna tRtiacdant9 hoyu a 24 right to rtspond. Tba nyaott why I was tesa uulcrntrd with 25 that in connection with Mt, Fox's argumonts is tbis nally lus I>j_ DTiS6olU, M Pap 44 I Sntokioy than dteywould be 1f rhay dirln'z mcilre - . 2 Ptuw, If you hod iulnpntnt a trquect to aUnh, and 1 3 dnn't pcemtd thu 1 can taaR mc off tFe top of my Itmd hvc 4 tlwt's pplEct, but ttrat you tc+a wmnal ptatple ezpoml to 5.sbaslctl Rmt thcy in patticular as a uuiyuc sub6roup would he - 6 apnsed to mhanced risk by virmo of dtcir asbatros enposuro 7 of hmg catlce whal tbey rmuhad, nc'd have a difi'armt mtucn 8 but as tawy= and kaovriag that wv'vo 6ot a tgmup ef atrqrnays 7 hsre who am goittg m patze eYery phrate oad inl'aarce in dm 10 way Wat's masl aridat to you. I frcl I con't tralty enfonx your rsqttest tesuuto of tAp ombiguity in tMt way ifz artieulacd mat L'm hyieg to elato for you now; am I II 12 I13 iqpkitlg ° ahl I btnng elrar to yott, do you unth:rsumd wAat my . 14 cortepn ia? '...,IS Mtt7NKStovtitfink,YmWafprtngondafcaaoun- 16 Your Ilotwf, I do uaderstarttt tlta cooaem and I th'tn4 wa 17 calainly imcadcd dul tbtl n1ucst be tmd as ynur Iatkr r8 acarfingwubluwqinhcl.inanaft-ortmuseahro.dnn i 9 nnd try to narrow suma of tiaxn isstct, we phrased it a tkyv 20 diffarnt waya aud if you look atrcqusnr ut adrnil numhor 21 30 - 22 'rHe ouun+, I,t tb.t nuo that yuu pvc tnc ia your 23 Icum? 24 A9t kNk: ypnr Konar lr is amKlCrt bt dC 25 anachmrntx which bad thc mtblay of the n'.yursts to admit, Pagts 41 - Page 44 i

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