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- 89735009-5011 List of Witnesses to Appear Before Committee on Ways and Me Ans on the Financing Provisions of the Administration's Hea Lth Security Act and Other Health Reform Proposals Thursday , 931118 - Beginning at 10:00 A.M.
- 89735020 Statement Congressman Michael A. Andrews Committee on Ways and Means 931118
- 89735021-5033 Tobacco Industry Employment: A Review of the Price Waterhou Se Economic Impact Report and Tobacco Institute Estimates O F 'economic Losses From Increasing the Federal Excise Tax'
- 89735034-5035 Statement of Congressman L.F. Payne on the Administration's Financing Provisions for Health Reform Before the Ways and Means Committee 931118
- 89735036-5037 Statement of Congressman Steve Neal Before the Committee on Ways and Means on Health Care Reform Financing 931118
- 89735038-5040 Statement of the Honorable Edward J. Markey on the Inclusio N of An Increased Tax on Tobacco in Comprehensive Health Ca Re Reform Legislation Before the Committee on Ways & Means U.S. House of Representatives 931119
- 89735041-5042 Rogers Makes the Case for Kentucky Tobacco Families, Says C Linton's Tobacco Taxes Are Punitive and Unfair
- 89735043-5044 Congressman Hal Rogers Ways + Means Testimony Tobacco Taxes 931117
- 89735045-5048 Testimony of the Honorable Richard J. Durbin Before the Com Mittee on Ways and Means 931118
- 89735049-5050 Representative John M. Spratt, Jr. Statement Before the Com Mittee on Ways and Means Hearing on the Financing Provision S of the Administration's Health Security Act and Other Hea Lth Reform Proposals 931118
- 89735051-5053 Statement of the Honorable Howard Coble 931118
- 89735054-5056 Statement of Rep. Peter J. Visclosky (D-in), Before the Com Mittee on Ways and Means, in Support of Increased Taxes on Tobacco Products to Pay for Health Care Reform 931118
- 89735057-5058 Hon. H. Martin Lancaster Testimony Before the House Committ Ee on Ways and Means Financing Provisions of the Proposed H Ealth Security Act 921118
- 89735059-5061 Statement of Rep. Bob Clement of Tennessee Before the House Committee on Ways and Means on the Administration's Propos Ed Health Security Act 931118
- 89735062 Testimony of the Honorable Jack Reed Before the House Ways & Means Committee Subcommittee on Health 931118
- 89735063-5065 Statement of Congresswoman Eva Clayton Before the House Way S and Means Committee 931118
- 89735066-5070 Testimony to Be Presented at the Hearing of the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Ways and Means
- 89735071-5072 Committee on Ways and Means Statement of Representative Tom Barlow (D-Ky 1st) 931118
- 89735073-5077 Testimony by the Hon. James E. Clyburn Member of Congress, Sixth District, S.C. Ways and Means Committee 931117
- 89735078 Testimony of Rep. Jane Harman House Ways and Means Committe E 931118
- 89735079-5082 Rep. Michael Huffington (R-Ca) Testimony Before the U.S. Ho Use of Representatives Committee on Ways and Means 931118
- 89735083-5084 Statement of Representative Robert C. Scott on the Economic Impact of A 85 Cent Per Pack Cigarette Tax on the Economy of Virginia
- 89735085 Statement by U.S. Rep. Martin T. Meehan (D-Ma)
- 89735086-5100 Ota Testimony Statement of Clyde Behney and Maria Hewitt on Smoking - Related Deaths and Financial Costs: Office of Te Chnology Assessment Estimates for 900000 Before the House C Ommittee on Ways and Means 931118
- 89735101-5110 Testimony Before the House Committee on Ways and Means on T He Health Security Act on 931118 by Gregory N. Connolly
- 89735111-5122 Testimony of Robert M. Kaplan, Phd on Behalf of the America N Psychological Association Before the United States House of Representatives Committee on Ways and Means on the Subje Ct of Financing Provisions of the Administration's Health S Ecurity Act 931118
- 89735123-5125 American Psychological Association Supports $2.00 - Per - P Ack Increase in Federal Cigarette Tax to Fund Health Care R Eform California Researcher Testifies on Apa's Behalf Befor E House Ways and Means Committee
- 89735126-5134 Testimony of Jeffrey E. Harris Regarding Financing Provisio Ns of the Administration's Health Security Act Before the C Ommittee on Ways and Means Thursday, 931118
- 89735135 Biography: Jeffrey E. Harris
- 89735136 Tobacco, Health and Jobs: An Overview of Arthur Andersen's Review of the Tobacco Institute's Job Loss Estimates
- 89735137-5139 Presentation of F. Seward Anderson, Jr. Mayor of the City O F Danville, Virginia Before the Ways and Means Committee Un Ited States Congress 931118
- 89735140 Smokers Already Pay More Than Their Fair Share Higher Cigar Ette Taxes Called 'unjustified'
- 89735141-5147 Statement of Dwight R. Lee Before the Committee on Ways and Means U.S. House of Representatives 931118
- 89735148-5151 Testimony of Mattie Mack, Kentucky Tobacco Grower Before Th E Committee on Ways and Means, United States House of Repre Sentatives on the Financing Provisions of the Administratio N's Health Security Act 931118
- 89735152-5154 Statement of Fred Bond, Vice President Tobacco Growers' Inf Ormation Committee, Inc. Before the US House Ways & Means C Ommittee on the Administration's Health Security Act 931118
- 89735155-5156 Statement of Wayne Ashworth President Virginia Farm Bureau Federation Before the House Ways & Means Committee United S Tates House of Representatives on the Administration's Heal Th Security Act 931118
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STATEMEIVT
THE HONORABLE PETE STARK
COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS
November 18, 1993
Mr. Chairman, my purpose today is to suggest a dramatic
simplification to the overall structure of the financing and
flows of funds under the President's health care reform plan. In
brief, my suggestion is to use the tax system, and the IRS, to
replace the financial functions of the so-called "regional
alliances."
In announcing his plan two months ago, the President
identified six key objectives for reform. One goal is to
simplify the existing, complex system for financing health care.
I strongly support this objective. However, I'm sorry to say,
the President's plan has failed to meet this goal.
Two weeks ago I asked the Congressional Research Service to
identify all of the transfers of funds within the Clinton plan--
payments from one entity to another. Based on its review of the
available statutory language, CRS identified 60 separate
pipelines of money from one type of organization, or level of
government, to another. -
A vastly simplified version of the flow of money under the
Clinton p'lan is shown in the first chart (see attached). A copy
of the CRS memo identifying all 60 transfers is also attached to
my statement. -
As just one example of the complexity designed into the
Clinton plan, consider the case of large employers who establish
corporate alliances. In such a case, the employer would have to:
1. Make four separate payments to the Federal government
(an assessments for a national risk pool, for coverage
of early retirees, for graduate medical education, and
payments into a guaranty fund);
2. Pay premiums to multiple health plans;
3. Pay fees to providers (if any single plan is self-
insured);
4. Pay regional alliances premiums if enrollment is less
than 100 persons in any given region;
5. Pay regional alliances premiums if employees chose such
coverage through employment of a spouse; and finally
6. Rebate excess premiums to individuals who chose plans
with premiums below 80% of the average cost plan.
In the case of large, multi-State corporations, each firm could
owe payments at least 50 different regional alliances.
A careful analysis of the Clinton plan shows that'"much of
this complexity is due to the creation of new financial
intermediaries known as the regional alliances.
In the Clinton plan, these State run entities perform
several functions. They pool premiums from employers to
establish area-wide community rating. They coordinate the
payment of premiums from two-worker couples. They review and
approve applications for low-income and small business subsidies.
They act as a conduit for the transfer of Federal subsidy funds
to each of the health plans.
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The health alliances have been fairly characterized as
untested, unnecessary, bureaucratic organizations. They will
require billions in Federal grants and loans to get started, and
will cost as much as $10 billion annually--2.5 percent of
premiums--to keep in full operation. Many of their financially-
related functions are either already being done by some public
agency, or could easily be assigned to one.
There must be--and there is-- a simpler, better way.
My suggestion, shown in the second chart, is based on the
simple observazion that an existing Federal agency--namely the
IRS--could perform the collection and disbursement functions of
the alliances with less duplication and lower administrative
costs.
The advantages of using the IRS to collect health care
premiums are numerous:
1. Familiarity with the System
Both individuals and emnlovers are used to reporting income,
withholding income taxes and employment taxes. It would be
easier to build on the current collection system than to create
an entirely new separate system for paying health premiums.
Building on the tax filing system reduces paperwork requirements
for individuals and employers rather than creating a new
structure which must ascertain numbers of individuals covered in
a household, whether there is an emplover and how much of the
premium the employer has oaid on behalf of a worker, how much
premium the worker has paid and whether, based on a detailed
analysis of income, a subsidy is appropriate.
2. Confidentiality
The Internal Revenue Code requires confidentiality of
taxpayer information and the IRS has an excellent record of
maintaining the confidentiality of taxpayer information. Any
premium payment system that is premised on income will have to
duplicate the confidentiality measures which already exist at the
IRS.
3. Track Record for Collection of Revenues
For Fiscal Year 1992, $479 billion was collected in
individual income taxes, $89 billion was collected in corporate
income taxes, and $408 billion was collected in payroll taxes for
Social Security, Hospital Insurance and Unemployment. Any new
entity created to collect premiums will have to replicate IRS's
established and proven collection procedures.
4. Verification of income Information for Subsidies
The IRS currently has the information (income of individuals
and number of dependents) that would be required to verify
whether an individual is entitled to a premium subsidy.
Alternative collection methods would need to develop new forms
and procedures to collect this information and probably require a
duplicate copy of a tax return for verification. As with other
programs such as SSI, subsidies do not always reach the--intended
beneficiaries if the application process too complicated.
5. Efficiency of building on current collection system
Involving the IRS in the collection of health care premiums
may very well increase the IRS workload. However, the IRS
should be able to accomplish the desired result more efficiently
than a new entity because by utilizing existing procedures. I
would be amazed if the IRS would spend even a fraction of the
billions that would be required to support the proposed system of
alliances.
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It is important to recognize that using the IRS to
facilitate the flow of money does not prejudice any oarticular
lan to reform the health care financing or delivery system. it
merely simplifies the flow of money and maximizes the
administrative efficiency.
Obviously, it would work for a single payer plan, such as
Medicare for all.
But it would work lust as well for reforms based on other
r.odels--even for managed competition. For example, under the
Clinton plan, health plans could still bid and negotiate
premiums. The premium dollars would simply be transferred to the
plans from the Federal government instead of from the alliances.
Premiums could still be pooled across geographic areas. Large
employers could still elect to contract directly with Federally
approved health plans. The same levels and types of subsidies
could be provided; they would simply be calculated by a different
entity--the IRS.
I have explored this concept with both the Tax Staff of this
Committee, and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation.
Thus far, neither has identified any insurmountable problems.
There certainly are questions and issues that would need to
be resolved, as would be the case for any plan. However, many of
the issues that need to be addressed in the collection of
premiums are currently resolved in the Internal Revenue Code. I
would like to highlight some of these issues in my oral testimony
and refer you to a memo prepared by the Joint Committee on
Taxation which further details the way the Internal Revenue Code
addresses the same issues for tax purposes.
In the tax code, we have procedures in place to deal with
the issues such as who gets to claim a dependent in the case of
divorce or legal separation. The tax system has mechanisms to
ensure that families with more than one worker and workers with
more than one employer have the proper amount of tax withheld.
The filing of the annual tax returns allows for a reconciliation
of accounts. These same mechanisms could apply to the allocation
of health care premiums or costs.
The tax system already has payment structures for
individuals who are self-employed. It has thresholds so that
individuals with income below a certain level can avoid filing
entirely. Information required to implement the premium subsidy
for the low income individuals could be built into the modified
W-4 Form.
The tax system currently accommodates a District of Columbia
family with one spouse employed in Maryland receiving health
coverage from the other spouse's employer in Virginia. We do not
need to reinvent the wheel to have a premium collection process
that we know works in the real world.
Mr. Chairman, I recognize Members' reluctance to entertain
the idea of new taxes. But my proposal would impose no
additional financial burden on our constituents that would not
otherwise be reguired as part of the President's health reform
plan. In fact, the administrative efficiencies would probably
reduce the overall cost.
I urge my colleagues to set aside their prejudices, and to
seriously consider the obvious advantages of using our existing
resources--the Internal Revenue Service--to simplify and
facilitate the financial transactions inherent in health reform.
I thank you for you attention, and I would be pleased to
answer any questions.
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alliance alliances
Corporate Plans Premiums (if corporate alliance is insured)
alliance
Corporate Providers Payments for services (if corporate alliance is
alliance self-funded)
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alliance alliance <100 employees in a given region
Corporate Regional; Premium for 2-earner family choosing
alliance alliance regional alliance
Employer Federal Assessment for coverage of early retirees
Employer Individual Rebate for choice of low-cost plan if employer
pays >80 percent of average
Employer Regional Share of premium
alliance
Federal Employer Modified tax treatment of pre-funded retiree
benefits
Federal Individual Increased deduction for self-employed
Federal Individual Modified tax treatment of long-term care
insurance
Federal Individual Personal care tax credit, disabled workers
Federal Plans Medicare beneficiaries choosing alliance plan
Federal Providers Grants to hospitals serving vulnerable
population
Federal Providers Medicare prescription drug benefit
Federal Providers Pay services for enrollees, transitional risk
pool
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academic health centers
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alliance academic health centers
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Regional Corporate Premium for 2-earner family choosing
alliance alliance corporate alliance
Regional Federal Administrative withholding in event of
alliance Federal takeover
Regional Federal Payments for graduate medical education,
alliance academic health centers
Regional Federal Premiums to VA, DOD, IHS plans
alliance
Regional Plans Cost-sharing subsidies for low-income
alliance enrollees
Regional Plans Premiums
alliance
Regional Providers If regional alliance operates'fee-for-sbrvice
alliance plan
State Federal Hospital insurance tax for excluded
employees
State Providers if State operates single-payer plan
State Providers Services under long-term care block grant
State Providers Wrap-around plan for low-income children
and welfare recipients
State Regional Medicaid maintenance-of-effort for non-
alliance welfare enrollees
State Regional Per capita payments for welfare recipients
alliance
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Service
U.S. Postal Plans Premiums for employees
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Workers Plans Services as a result of work-related illness or
compensation injury
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Source: Congressional Research Service analysis of Health Security Act.
