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54 and why ehe is, bccauso peer group p_essn: e sseems to have 2 3 4 5 6 I 8 10 11 12 14: 15 16 17 1F3 19 20 21 22 23 24 worked in complotely contrary r®alms, and you are obviously geared to th.3t, so that would be part of your survey, I would Yssta~sa . One of c:y questions is--s4sucturally, with your asw of- fice in HEw that mr. Pinney is going to hmad up, is that cor- rect? Mr. Pir.r_ey. Yes, sir. Senator Schc,reil.os. Fioc; wf.ll you integrate, though, with the Na_iosswS *_aetitutc of Child Bta.lt2:, because they have very e,oparate prc _edures on p:rrr r.:views of proj3cts like this, acd I am all fo_ tho in:cyrzt=o_--but isn't that a prob- lem? Ms. Pinasay. It is not a problem, Senator. The philosophy! on which ths, offic: is bascd is oae of project managns.:.nt. In esseaca, tha Secrstany felt tha.t thoro v+as *aot enough attFSn- tion at his level on the prcb2a of s=king and health. Thera was a lot going on in each of the Institutes, but the ques`cion was: aro ke directing what resourccs we have to the best pocsiblo reaas an3 emda? An d, for examplo, with the National Institute of Child Esalth as.d Bums.n Dsvclop=sxt, my role would be ons of discuss:.ng with Dr. F.ra`.c1*ner What his progr<n. .P.-mounc=ent would say in terms of eliciting good sound ro- eaarch in the areag that wa have ida-m-tified as top priority. The actuc;. cont3nC: of tho resezrcb proposn.'.s and tr.c pasr

56 I 2 9 4 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 16 19 20 22 23 24 25 STIi'i'E.11Mh'TS O!" A PAi.EL OF $I6E SCSOOL STUDZiTS: ^aHEEBSu W0LFF AND b:OIRA REILLEY, INL+fI:CULATA HICH SCSOOL; MARTIN O'h:ALLEY, MARX ADF.NLS, Ab1D CI3AP.LES GRFFI'i'3, GOhZAGA COLLEGE HIGH SCSOOL; Ah'D .TANMS YALfiO, BE':cirSDA-CHa"VY CHASE HIGH SCHOOL Sonator Keanscy. Wo will bave a panel of high school stu&ont3 from GonWaga College High School, ImMaculat.a School and th3 F,e4.kcsda-Ch_vy Chace Bigh School. Through-an over- sig!`.t, the Sra.T,a.culata and Bn;;hcs3a-Ch,svy Chas3 High Schools wrrc now ncatiioncd on the fcraa3l witnQSs list, but thzy have bza:: s:^.orrcusly cooparative as thc young stud= ts havs. We want to uolcoca you to th6 Co!:nitts3. I think ths Cor.grCss of t2 e Uniaed StaEs3 geta its informalon from a variecy of so-sc,es. W= bave in this legislztion that ws have before na noa--xe a=a tryinc to ds-al with an is3u_ ar.ich I think is of enarnous co_-cern to paremts all ovaz this country, porhaps all aver tt:o rorld--paron°.s vhosa perhaps first in- teTeat is tho good bralth of their childrea, paro3ts who are f,u^raasir:gly concornrdd about t.h:, esplosion in S.c-nas of tho co..r.:vmpticn of cigarat;:es. As so many scicntiists a,-.d research- ers and family doctors hr-,,a poi:,t,~ci out, the ecieatific infor- maticn is very cl~ar that rcs a.ro rcally heads3 for a typa of hcal;,h c-?as:rophc in this nation if tha kinds of proj®c'cions fiha: hava ta:esn placu r::iezza 2°58' ard 1974 among young peoplQ,

57 I ~ - 2 3 ~-~ A 5 7 8 9 10 11 12 3 I4i 14 ~ ~ ~ 15 16 17 1s 19 20 21 22 • 23 24 25 ers , g irs s~ Coatinuo s. teena o hia g asr.ong I think all of you must have baan inpressa3 by what some.of our distinguishad researchers and doctors have poiated out to this Committee. And wo aro trying, as we shou, d, to f i=sd ways and msans of working with local commuaitios and working with you and your aosociatss in the schools to try aad find out if tbere ia some way wE can work in partcnarship to re2iava this gonera- tioa, this younger guoration, of the burd¢n of smoking. We realizo it's complezj xo r'®elizs it involves a vari©ty of di'frerent guQ3tioas that affact young paopio--and we want vQ:y much this morning to h$ar from you, whay'you think is ' the nature of the problem and thp Kays and mEans that we can 1~oest deal wit-.h it. So we are v©rh, vcry grateful to have you join us h"e 4 t}as morning. IIoaa ma.ay of you hsve ever testified bGforC? UiEll, it's nothitg to be concarmc•S about, we Wa`t just to hear from you in yoc3 o•an words. I cisatw your att:~:.ti.oa to thu cha.rL•s that we have ever here that show in t.'^_osa four di,fo-rc.:t se-3sea:c3 arezs ths vcry eigrificantt growi:!-, in the nzmt„rss of regular smokers a2tw_3n 1960 and 1974 by various age, categorias. And we can ses; in thn youxgest age, from 12, 13, aszd 14 year old, an eightfold inort;asa; ccrrestoading increases, perhaps aat p3resntagcwisc, b::t cQZ"caiz?.y from the numbers dramatically J

al1 ~ ~a 58 continue in the 15 aand 16 and 17 to IB--and this is, as we can see in «-ho*chart that ic just behind it, at this point ' the girls are virtually even with tho boys in tems of use of cigarettes. 5 8 9 8ut nonmthaloss it has besp doscribed as an explosion in torms of the uso of cigarettes, aad'Y® would like to try and sort of gain your views about the iESuQs. We would liks to h:as from you your own views about smo- king. We are aot trying to makv any noral jiu!gmcnts obvious~- ly, but 4re are trying to find out about--you can s.`.art off with your nazaas, your ages, and whsrQ you go to achool, and thc n we would like to ask you about trhethe r you s:ok© and wh= did, you star-, rs.d soma other a_uestions. I thir'c wE will gct start€c maybe over hssro with Thtsrese. 16 17 18 19 20 21 23 24 TzY k into the mikcs, if you xould, aad giva us your aa=, age, and rshe_d you go to school, ju3t initially wo will introduce oursalv6s. I - Tod hc,.r.a3y from f:assachuse'cts, Senator Chafao from Rtiodo Island, and Sonator Schwaikarr fron Ponnsyl- vania, and we ar© all iFsmb`,3 of t.h0 ges?th SuL-com.vitte@ that is conc, rnad with Vsis lcgislation. So juct give us your ni=e, your age, your sc2rc.l, and tFlos,. wo %-•il:l come to sonz! of tha questions. Fii sn Volff. I un T:.erf.er3 Wolff, I am 17 ycara old, and 3 plan on gcing to Wast Virgin+F z'aslayan next year. Senator Chafss. A.^..d you just graduaWd fsVp r'-`.rrE?

0 2 3 4 5 6 C 59 lS.is s Wo 1 f f. I-culata. Miss Railley. My rtiase is Moira Reilley, I am 17, and I have just graduatsd from Immaculata Ligh School. 14r. O't3al10y. I am Martin O'I+.a?le_v, 15, I am a froshce,n af Gonzaga Coll©ge High School. Fs. Adams. I am Mark Adams, I aa 15, I am also a frash- ma•n at Gonzaga. Mr. Griffi4:h. I am Charlos Griffith, I am 17, I am a 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 ju_ior at Gonzaga. fir. Va2o.o. I am Jam=? Va?oo and I amgradue.ting fromBct;hesda-Cr.SV.y Chaso aic_rh Schoc,l. Senator renr:edy. Cou2d you tcll us, maykr by just a show of hands, hoVi many of yuu smo}:e? MP.yba we could start with you, TrercEe and Hcira--whan did you start? Miss Wolff. A-ror.ud 14 or 15. Senator Ecnnesy. i?hat about you, Moira? Miss z3i11ey. 15. Senator r~-,_nrdy. Jazoes? Mr. 1.'alco. Yes, I was 13. Senatior l:anacdy. . I,arlc? Na'. ACTa=3. I was 13. Saaetor Itenn:djP. I kaGk' t_+aL's a few y€ars ago, but do you thin}: you could try and rsaybe trcll us about why you da- c:dcd to sf:a:.'t to smo!ss or not to eaoF:c? Was it sort of a

t 3 oonsoiC s decision? C 60 lliss Roilley. Well, basically r•hen people start smokiag csgarettes, it is because of peer prsssura: your friends start to saokc. And then it i© a choiee of whethEr you wrant to ba 5 6 7 B 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 Ss 19 20 21, 22 23 • 24 sort of left out, you know, by people of your own agetif you don't start snroking, you know, thoy aort of look down on you. Senator Chafeo. fthat psrcaata.ge of the girls in your class smok®, would you azy? Miss R=illay. In my cle.sc Iwoul;d say aboLt 85 pares.nt. So:.ator KFSmsdy. Mhaf f.bout you, Thernss, whon you starte3 to eso3:c? K:irs 1:olfF. I slaaxvtea s.ao'•.ing mostly bscauaa I like it. I tioald say I sta=2.:.d s:.o}:ir.g probably to fit in with tho crowd. So.-:atcr IC.dv. Let me Ls2: the ones wno do smoke-- cou? d I j sst seuo your hands again? snoko? Eoih yozLr parcui.s tr:okfl? Mr. Valea. Ono cf mins. Sosc many of your parents Saaator Frr.nady. On9 cf yo;n: parents. How about th3 oncs that don't smo;ce, do your pare.hts smol.e or not rmoko? i-:ritin,, what abo4t that? Kt:. O'Valley. Os:e of tay par= t.s sTMokGs, but bo is not a cons3stCat Moko,.rF ha just has eo=. ec,a.ry onca in a while. Mr. Griffith. So•;:h of :aioo aaoLo. su.^:atG_ i;ar ociy. F.:,:! ycu don't en.cke. Mark, Waa-t about

I 2 3 4 5 6 6 9 10 ti 12 13 14 15 16 17 1 is 19 20 21 22 23 25 C you.• r 61 Mr. Adr,mg. N®itha.r of my parents smokes. My aaother used to, but sho Qu.it. Senator FennE dy. Do your frieads think at all about the health iraplications of smoking, or do you sort of think about it and think it is not going to happen.to me? What kind of •a sense do you or any of your friends have about whether it really is go_ng to make much of a diffcranco in t~~s of your health or not? Both your oL•n vieci and whati you hea^ scmo of your friends talk ahout. l2r. 0'I•?alley. k~ll, I vould say that kids my age aren't really conccrnt.d wi-th the health issues, you knor; thay talk about it maybe. But the aain e.f.aq that thay are doing it for is, you Y.now, just to fit in c•rith the crowd. Smo]•.ing is someth{ng that most adults do. So I Y.2',.in3: the roason why the k..idt do it is justi so thay can get a feeling of, you know, Piiss Re-illsy. t;aruraty. tlr. 0'c:a.llcy. Yssa, maturity. But I don't tdiic:k they arv really ccncernan3 tihs.t mv.ch with tho hEalth ir.enes. SLaGror i.cnr.e3y. h'haC abaLt it, Jim? Mr. Valso. f?tll, %:hcn I fire:t tstarted to smo;c, you know, I usc:R to th=al; it coUdg't hzppsm. to au3, I couldn't g9t ill from it, w was icn:uao to it or soMOishisg. But no~ 0-.at I am o2d3r, I have bca thxn.':Sng--I cM eez how it has affected

V 1 2 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 1k 15 15 17 18 19 20 21 - 24 25 .C C 62 my ability to run any leng`.h of distanco, you know, my wind. Senator Kennedy. Are you an athlete? • Mr. Valeo. S?sll, I used to run track, I usxd to sprint. When I sprinted, it didn't maka a diffo.rence, because, you know, a hundred yards--thzt's nothing. But I am talking abon going out to ran two or threo miies--I'don't know wDothar I could do it anymore without huffing and pnffing at thQ and of it. But now, you know, I have made a vow to myself that I am going to quit smoking, b3causo I can etc th^ effeot that it has had on me as far es that goos. SF=ator SchFraiker. Are you going to gui t cold turkey, or ho;: are you going to qui_, Jim? A:r. vzlec. t+'all, I Aaveti tried to cut down, and:it just doa3n'r ffor}:, bacauge tb?.re are too mezy t3.mes wbsn a cigarett tastes good--that's what it boils Coaa to. But I am just goin to go all t_h9 way, quit cold turkny with it, wh.= I quit. Senator Chzfee. Charles, I noS:.i.co that you don't spoke and both your parr-nts smakQ. No4, arfi yoL involved in athle- tics or what particula:z r¢ason do you not sraota? F1r. Grifritb. I didr't saol:O--a lot of ay frieads starta to eno'.o br.cl; in 7tFt and 8;. gra&_s, and my parents =o1:od, ar.3 I just vaate3 to be diffCZc_-,t. I a.ike to ba irz3apendaat. S; uatcr F'.e:x.cdy. Let m3 as:r you ab3ul.: the attiL•uie of thr, schools t.boutt tIh3 s•saking. Do your schoals p.y.-n<_t it, do

. • 63 C 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 - 12 l I 17 18 19 20 21 23 thay'discourage it? Does that ra1:e any differanco? What about it, Moira? Miss Reilloy. Woet Catholic high schools, I would say, allow it for saniors. Our high school didn't allow smokieg at all. Geaeraliy, most pubiic high schools,'there's so msc2 s=a1:ln3 tharois nothing you can do about it.- But I oroulu gencrally say that most schools allow it; there's not much you can do, so mauuy g-aoplo saok6. Ssnat.or rev=1y. What about thio hcalth issue, 'lha.resa? Do you trir.k that many of the youn3sr people that get started givQ that very a_+.ch atti=, tion or much thought, or do you. fiad cut when they got a little oldsr that t:-qy bcg3.n to give ~~ it aore and then ar6 they hooked on it, or uha4? i :S Misfs Wolff. When you fir,:t start smoking, it doesn't-- at least wit.h me, it didn't tako effect unti],.like m couple of yezxs afC:mr, lihe.now I can s¢3 that I csm't ren as sauch or par':ic_pato as much in activi::.as. I don't thi_Zk they roay ly lcol: into 1t., thra health conditicas of it. I ~ St A eneoroar.e42y. Iht d thini? Mar:, Yao you.. D you thik on ticv ti.ink muah a.bout ths health factors in ths s:.-~oking? . ~ Mc. P.rie.ms. Y.hzr, I first sta_4:ed, yes, Z. thouabt about tlat, b'At I f:.v_-uTCc3, yoe know, that I seoul3.Z 't be smUking my whol4 litot I figured lf.}ui c•:he:a I turnad 18 I would stop or something like that. Bst now, as timm goea by, you know. 25 ~

s C C 64 &anstor PCsnrredy. You axe thiaung more about it, about 3 9 10 it 12 13 14 15 16 17 iB to 20 21 - 22 23 24 25 w5cthez to stop? What do aay of you think would be-have some of you thought about stopping s:aoking? Lxt ma sea a show of bande. How saany of you thcugbt about stopping smohiag? Jia, you thought about it. Sanator 6chwoiker. Be's going to do it. ' Scaaltor Kenae-1y. Iio'B going to do it. What do you thin: are roally the factors that vsould make a diffsr2nc® in whethe: you can s3top or not? It it agai.n what is happeaing with your fri.end ,, your colleag': es? Or do you think tho fact that you r.r.ow aorc tbout thu health itcplicatioa3? Dccs that help you or a..~cc-a-rage you to stop emokiag? Ph:at do you th_a", _ are the things that ca^n help the rsost in texcas of getting tc-Un4gars to stop? Hiss pzillcy. Most t;G;.nagcrs aroa't re_lly well iSai`orm¢fl about the health problemc. You Eee co=_rcials and ads that tscy, you know, in tv:enty ysaxa you might develop luuq cancer or somctF iag liko that. Sut when you are young aad you start smoL-iag, you don't th`nh ot the long-tcs:cm effectss you are juct th...infiing about acw and you arc thinking about--I will jus;- try sroking for a while ind thea quit. But you woLld bavo to e;;art at tho schools probably, bo- catise r-hat is wh;,re r.osL p2oplCt start. And if you can stop pFop13 from sTMo3:icg ct Echocl, th.-c thzy are just not going to = M~h ~=-