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- Daugherty, R.M., J.R.
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- Foege, W.H.
- Ford, W.H.
- Green, P.
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- Leffall, L.D., J.R.
- Mcluhan, M.
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but throughC ec9lerated research.
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Through research we can work to identify harmful e3enaenLS,
if ¢hey are found to exist in tobacco, and.then.reaove th®m.
Through research, we can make important strides toward lessen-
ing any risks found to be associeted with smoking, while at .
the same time maiutaining.the economic stability--and I a1ght
underscore "e~oncmic stab~lity"--of this industry which i~s sai
very important to so many states.
In fact, I find it ironic that f;a have to ev©a consider
a re3nawa.l of governns" ital assaults on tobacco at tha very timc;
the na.rketpl'ace is' so rapidlly dealing with the problems that
smoking advsrsa:eies talk so much abotvt. Tar and nicotine
yields have baen cut in half in r4eont y6ars.. The cigarette
industry is involved in the most vigorous an,d, expensive com-
pet'_iti.on~ in its history to convert: smokers to the lora-C.cr
brands.
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ihe end: result is that we are seeing a classic illustra-,
tion,of the value of readam of,chhice--Z-he
free choice of
smol:ers on the one hawd to smoke o'garetfaas that critics say
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ce safer, and the fr.cn choice of the rarutacturers on the
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Ncv, it a.ppears that the federal govG>rmarmt wants to ~
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eff'orts to pzodLco a sa.e_ proctuct--:aitI; punitive leg:.slatian.
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2Yow,, you give ths;-n a substitute, ar.dttten you start relating
to tobacco~producver-aud you ga intoe the mamufacturixxg ot
those products. biow, i..:"sa far-rEaching rippling effiact-
you stcop the growth ' of tobacco, and you look. what, you have
dona: you hava'mot only eliminated the best income for small
farm:fayailies that they can have; you have also eliminated
industry, and probabiy soma d.nd:usi:ry i:n your s'kat= wIsen you
have'unr-iaploym,:nt and you wouldd like to have it there.
Senator Ghateo. Well, we era very conscious of that,
although, as you know; from this bi1l, it. doxts: not 'c9sliminaP.e
tize indus&ry--you have obvicus.ly lookod over the bill..
Senator E?ord. 8 undsrsgattd, but if you look at what it
is trying: to do, and you . look at all four bills, ar.d you get
intol aPl the3 ram3~.ficatioszs of the 1, gislation, then it is
fzr-r.eacca.4ng and it does do dsnago to thoe industry, and to the
p:op2e--tho pacpla I repreacaaat. .
Ar.d, i3r. Chaj':rmas.t~, t wa,,.t, you to take one ide<aW uncer cou-
sidaratioa. Ma have been trying to solve: our owaa problems in
Ke:ntucky c~-~i.thotie a dime from the fedaza3 govesrnment. And
whars erH put a.+r ave:rage since 1972 of $3.7 million into re-
search. Find. the C'hasxwa-m of tlais S:abcommittes actfaittad itwhat0
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in the world heading up that research institute, trying to
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noPvsi fib.o prcblo:, without fede_al dol2ars. 7te are trying to
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solve tha2. Senator, without Ant~v~¢ion Lroan the federal
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Sstaator 8ord. Mr. Chairman, I will be daZighted to at-
tempt to answer any questions that you might x+fiisif to pose to
I think the last point you madQ,, cf course, ahout,the
your tltoughtfcu3' and perhaps not surprising testimony.
Senator Chafee. Weli, thank you very much, Senator,. for
me this morning.
family farm is something that concerns the entire Congress,
end, indeed, the aountry., I think it has born shoum by cor,-
stant votes in the Swnate that the mafo$ts are to preserve
the family fhrmto avery escteut possibZca.8ut somehow I
think the cho,ce you prsc.srs`bad at the end, thatun3ess they
ara g,rouring tobacco Whe ctro3ce is to give up thm family Tarm
or_ to go on w3ifa4e, is a. little 3amitead.
Senator Ford. Well, Senator, 2et rae ask you. what crop
would you suggest that the 6,00,000 far4ters in several statess
start producing to substitute for tobacco?
- Senator Chafes. Pi+a3Z, I susgsce that thasre are many
famiLy farns ia thiss aation that are not solely d"mi*zg wi*h
tohacco..
Sc.aator Ford. whI1, let i,a,- give you ot;a s:.:t2, Sc3nator--
I am noL sure thatyou undr,rs'.:as:d tohacco~ and, tobaccoo sCatcss,p
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because I doubt: ser;iciuwly that you,, raiWc too au:ch in your q,
sta.te.. Sut ian m,v, state ttcarG . is 165,000 farms:, that repre-
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se_nts I_65 ,000 faza=lies. Gf that, I~ 03, 000 of thosae Ezrms raiae
tobacco. af, that i03,o00, 90 parc:at are small family ffarms.
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dare say it won't ba the last. I don't Jilaow hora much enjoy-
"Soaator For d'. .dkay, I will not put him. on my petard
this morning.
t3r. Chairman, this isn't the first ti*ua I"va foaand, myself
sitting across the aisle from you to talk about, tobacco-and I
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:cent you get ou1C of theae sessiena, but I can guaranGea you :.
that as long as you maiatain< your. strong inte;restc in.this a.:ea,
I'm not going to 2tave . any troukzZe: at all convincing my con--
stitussxcy that idle tiuus is r_on-e.:ister.o- [sicj in the Ser:at-.. :
Quxte franka y; I do reot c3:zpsct you to be swayed by any
argumerats. Im.ig,ht make this morning, but I do hope that you
rewogaai:.a the subcomm i.ftea's responsibility to ensura that
the points I raisQ.arc carefuzly considered and given their
due process as you move forward with thisltgisial:ion.
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i.et me make it clear at the very beginning that I have na
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la%ion which psrtain to children and smoking. I would support
legislation to this efoct--i.f that wsre its sole intent.
Ctnfor'cv.aateZy, that is r.o: the cas®, and the legisiation
wHn3ch i'.s now before Ltais S4bcomaniti:t,Ge goe s far beyond those
lutuits.
I will be the first to adnYit that serious questions con-
tisei:.Q to: persist about tobacco. But I will also ba thw first
to declare that tho p_op3r and 1ogical response to finding
~ an>xaers to M.t`zsst quGZtions is not varougfb punitive legislation,
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TFeQ Honorable c:onde&I Fi. Ford, Democrzt, I`u--a2acky
A panal ropressentizg the Administration:
Disease Ct+Mfiao4: Normal d¢r4&cianer," Ai.D. ,
Director, National Ins ti2ute of CFsa kd &2;alf.h :~?i .'
and Etwnan DevQlopment; and John PSan®y, Director
Offic.- of SmoE:ing s.nd IieaZah, Departmeat of
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A paT31: oa. high.4choaE. st,udonta:
T: erese Wolff ased : Maira ReLTlay, ti'==celata
Claar±ec+ Griffit9a, Gonvaga. College Hagh School;
gigh Schoo'3; S^a°i.a1lc-)y', VarY Ada^a,j and
and Wamos. Valsar, Bstlhasda-C::eey Chastr High
Scb.ooll
pcu3ua con st.sb.ing of :
Ri.chw:rd T. N:ra:a$r F~a.D., Fzo.;easar of Psyc.hology..
CcatCr,. Pel"eaw-n kLa: o=, Lvaw, ?o:.k;, af<d Paula Gseeza,
Frcsa:demt, Grtnan o1n4s, ah Ae'.vc:rtzsts3q: Inc.,
Swirlehaae, Pa.D., Directcr, Puhiic Commnw:fic~zta.oas
University of 5buston, S3oeast_n, Texas; James iT:
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this cota.°~try that is prot49.n-s'uost.
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So instead off trying to be puuis,.: ivQ horo, I think you
ought to find some way--if nothisegg else, if you . ar.r going to
tax just c5.ga.rettcss--lut soma of the o..her industries that
will have stronger testimony than against toba,cco as relates
to cancor-causiazg prob3ems:--1®t them share part of the load.
But im.the Senate,you know,y you put a. tax in thg bill, the
only way yottu can tscn i;t on--you tiav4p to tack it on. to a
nouse bill; th.e Finance Ccamittsa can't aven consider a n®w
tax, in my opiniod.
Senator Scht;aiker. MayFae you didh'°underst,and' my qucs-
tf.on. TMT question was ---
Senator Ford'. ho,+ sir, I would object to~ tha bills if
the tar was out.
'SCSaator 9chcasik4r. What particLiarr featuas: of thm.bill,
i' th3 tax 6as.mmot in it, which you say is punitive (and may
w'ell ba put3itiv*a)-whxzt padticc;3ar features of the bi31 do
you object to?
Senator 1'ord. 1v'a1l, you
smoke in various facilities.
ass ®?'iminmtirg being able to
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not fzea : o do this or to do that. You are suyrin4, no# you
can't. F.atd that in part of t?se bc:lb.
1think naApe c onght to hav©' a free choice. Anc3 if yom
dor' :: c3ra:aat to b3 around a pisrson . t.t_ag siaor..vs:, move; if you
don"S, Frrnt to 17k a:ro°.a3 a'i'fa11oL; that dr^fpJ_s.,, move. You knotia,
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Senator chafes. I am a. cospot:FoC f this bill which
we are considering today which prilaarily deals. with the
area of provention. it see?as to re that there is soaathing,
off-kilter in our whole syste3mofm expenditures for mssdical
care in the United States in that we pour billions of dollars
inYo taking care of people who are ill--and.thatis proper
an6right--baat we pour about two perc-sxtt of that amount into '
i:ryfi.ng to keep people hszithy, in, the wholle area of preven-
tive medicine. And so this bill, which Senator Kennedy was
'the.primary sponsor,of and which I am a cosponsor of',.dcals :
wit'1 this. particular area.. The bill has several sect.ior.ES.
The area we will be considering today deals with the subject
of deterring; smo2:ing as:ong,s¢ our children and raIlating,to the
whole problem of cigarette smoking.
N;ow,, over the years this Subconlnittacs has heard testimony
on hundreds of health issses, but it se:.ms to me few of them `.
have concesxkrated in the area of preventive medicine, and. wh3*
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we are considering today,, as I saifi,d is' the subject ofcigarett~
smoking and its damaging effects as we see it on the health
of our entire citizenry, and we are particularly concerned now
wiS:h the youag people that are going into sToki> g`=ia incxPas3ng
r_umbers.
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We first have a. stw.texentt fron Sezatcr ScnweikQr.; and tY:en
re will pYocer.d with our first.dis.wiaguished wit.~.$ss.
Sena_tor Schwraihor. Thank you. very much, Yx. Chairman.
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adding it on to wha4:. vou aZrBady have. F=3 it brings about
$6 bili'zon in--it 's $2. billion hasbring th© balance of paymumts,
and that's bad enough. .
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6s,nator Chafso. If I could just clear the rcaco,rdd herc a
bd :. The federal tax current2y is 64. 7En this bilY, some . of
the tax gacs down : to 50.
Senator Ford. That's righa:, so iv's bound to bs--Lti:at"s
what I said: no maC;.ger how loF,r the tar and uicatimis, i'rr's
still 54. I don't think my stat:r-.mea¢ Was. rarrong. So the ae-
cord is: clear u:3tii the 54 :zx tFzen, regasd3ass oi tile ta.r, and
#co~.t;atam.
Scscator ChaFaa. Yus. But c,na rarely find psogbe eho, are
dissatisfiedd with the t:an going domm.
SLnat=r Ford. No, but the 5V- on the ot=cr end is bor-
raatdcsua..
Seratoa, Chases. Wall, ha hope it will bre--if~°s a dabrar-
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obviossby.
Senator Ford. 6tali, ?'e:ant: to u®lI you, I aca going to
se-s if I can't ¢: ::er you frem2v3ina a da`+o?rrcnt.
Senator Chafes. Clh, Iexgeci: that. Firta. Wal.i, tttar,k
you vory much for comargr, ese apprcciate it.
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t~ two wevks.. And' you can fuse netaTs that you cannot fuse here
on ezrth. And so mayba:tha.re is an opportunity for us to
3. dovolop soms:research.. It is an opportunity to try to save
an industry instead of being punitive to it. .
5 Senator ScFr,aebkax. One of the provisions of this bi12,
Senator Ford, is that it daas segregate smoking and non-
7' smokar.g, areas in lQungos,.public dir_ing , faci7lities; ancld re-
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Are you opposed or supporeivm of' that?.
M Senator pord. I, am eppos2,r1 to it. Abnut the only time
i 1' I gQt to rido on an asrpZ.ar_e. is a 6sat by tMe lavatory with
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no windo4ai under the mof:or. Now, 16"* us :d'to have problems
about segregation in this country--and we are gow being
ssqrcga'ce3 in a different area. But if a crying baby is
sittir,gr next to me,, that's fine, thatdoasn't make any dif-
fore:acc. The fellow that has other kind of problems sits
ncAi: ":o you, tha`'n all right. Bu:,you kn.oer, I can't sttt
equal on the airps.anw, for instance.
S.natcr' WcIr:rniker. Of course^, a baby may give yosa aW
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tu , you know, I, have se-on gsflplet just raisa :'ain becau:a. the
baby is crying; the baby is going to cry, it has problems.
But we know where w-s are going Uahcrn wa got ori that airglane.
And I tls3nk tha=it ought to b? oaua2 on both sides.. And the
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vta4 of how to help. industry and how to help peopla. And 2
don't believe taxing an industry to tuan around and spend
that money to try to put that industry out of busia0ss is the '
proper procedure. Yf that busxness is causing a problsm--i.e.;,
automobile industry--I don't wantto put the automobiles off
the roads wa can't affcsrd, to.
But in a s:aiallear scale, you can't affor3 to put;600,000
ffarm families out of business sit.h2s. And i£ you view the
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farm probZcnm inthis country in the last few atonths,, and if
you taYQ a surv.cg 'of' thims count...-I aad the crops 'cbiat are not
in the grcud yet, the farmer is not going to
fare very well
112 axis: year. And. this. is one crop--ons crop--that they can look
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buy fertilizer an3'do thoae thing3 for other crops on their
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ti8i xhzt wi'11 give then.a.bouL.$G00 an acre--then what are you
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21 So I thin.Y th8, procedure h¢are, that what yau!', ought to do,
22 you cughd to, put itin desrsarch and try to isolat& that prob-
8.3' ?:em. 61a ara~ going to }xav® the Spa,:c Shuttle bnkore long, and
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