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...So the whole question of getting third-party assistance and enlisting this whole third-party concept in our defense structure is to give us clout, to give us power, to give us credibility, to give us leverage, to give us access where we don't ordinarily have access ourselves...
...First, this whole business of third-party defense depends upon creativity. If you are not going to be creative about it...you can't be successful. If you're not going to be willing to create vehicles to ride on, to put things together in fact to invent things that didn't exist before, coalitions, associations, institutes, seminars, meetings, all kinds of things like that, you cannot be successful. Creativity....
It's like a savings account. The analogy is an important thing. One has to keep making deposits into the savings accounts. Goodwill deposits, deposits of getting to know people, deposits of listening to their problems...And you make those deposits into the savings account so that when you have to make a withdrawal, the bank balance is there. You can never put yourself in the position of having to go to a third party, an uninvolved party on an immediate basis and hope they drop everything and come to your defense. It isn't going to work.
You have to try to understand whom you have to neutralize in advance, who is a potential threat to you and then how do you make common cause with that category of individuals or companies or group or whathaveyou so that you can neutralize them.
Example. The self-extinguishing cigarette. Who would normally be involved in the self-extinguishing cigarette on the other side of the fence? Probably the fire-fighting community. As you know in the United States, we have put a huge amount of time into helping all the organized groups of professional and volunteer fire-fighters. They get such help from us that is monumental. And then when we need them to stand up and say, not cigarettes that cause fire in 99.9 percent of the cases, we get their cooperation. But that's because we have cultivated them and helped them achieve some of their goals and we have seen that they are a potential enemy that has real credibility. That's the greatest credibility, your potential enemy. We had turned them around and made allies, third party defenders for ourselves. All of this involves a process of logic. To find common ground, to find your natural friends; to find your natural enemies and if possible, the ways in which you can neutralize them...
- Company
- Philip Morris
- Author
- Blake, Joseph (Sr. VP Admin. Operations for Mission Viejo (PM))
Sr VP Admin Operations for the Mission Viejo Company(1984). Mission Viejo was a real estate and construction company operated by PM.
- Dowling, Jeannine M. (PM USA Public Relations c. 1984)
Went on to form her own company in the 1990's-J.A. Dowling & Associates, (PR, Media Relations)
- Florio, Dale (Mgr. PM Public Affairs 1984)
Tobacco lobbyist from New Jersey; become director of state government affairs for Philip Morris in 1987. Operates "Citizens Against Lawsuit Abuse." PM paid for his lawschool education.
- Merritt, W.
- Miller, Alan (PM marketing dept. employee c. 1984)
Alan Miller was a Philip Morris employee. (PMI's Introduction to Privilege Log and Glossary of Names, Estate of Burl Butler v. PMI, et al, April 19, 1996)
- Rothermel, Timothy (Philip Morris International)
- Woodward, G.
- Recipient
- Philip Morris
- Region
- United States
- Named Organization
- 1984 Corporate Affairs World Conference
- 7 11
- 7 Up
- American Advertising Foundation
- American European Community Assn
- Anheuser Busch
- Broadcasters Assn of Greater San Francisco
- Burger King
- BW, Brown & Williamson
- Calif. Elected Womens Assn
- Caucus for Womens Issues
- Chrysler
- Co Assn of Housing + Building
- Co Broadcasters Assn
- Co Legislature
- Co Mortgage Bankers
- Co Savings + Loan League
- Coalition of Labor Union Women
- Coca Cola
- Cora Foundation
- Dun Bradstreet
- Equity Action League
- Fao, Food and Agriculture Org
- Financial Womens Assn
- Fleet
- Ford
- General Motors
- George Washington Univ
- German Bundestag
- Gi Forum
- Girl Scouts of America
- Goolacs
- Hi Senate
- Highland Neighborhood Housing Services P
- Hugh Blind
- Intl Society for Animal Rights
- Mcclain
- Mcdonalds
- Miller Brewing
- Mission Viejo
- Moody
- Naacp
- Nanbtw
- Natl Assn Negro Business + Professional
- Natl Conference of Puerto Rican Women
- Natl Conference of State Legislatures
- Natl League of Cities
- Natl Womens Political Caucus
- NHS
- NOW
- New York Society of Intl Affairs
- Operation Push
- Republican Natl Convention
- Sir
- Southland
- TI, Tobacco Inst
- Times
- Urban League
- US Congress
- US Hispanic Chamber
- World Health Organization (Concerned with global public health)
International organization concered with public health worldwide
- Women in Communications
- Womens Campaign Fund
- Womens Involvement in Politics
- Womens Research + Education Institution
- YWCA
- Litigation
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- Named Person
- Blake, J.
- Brown, W.
- Buccellato, Vincent J. (PM Marketing &Sales, Sr. VP)
Senior Vice President of sales for Philip Morris U.S.A. from October 29, 1990 to April 25, 1991.
- Collin, D.
- Dowling, Jeannine M. (PM USA Public Relations c. 1984)
Went on to form her own company in the 1990's-J.A. Dowling & Associates, (PR, Media Relations)
- Florio, Dale (Mgr. PM Public Affairs 1984)
Tobacco lobbyist from New Jersey; become director of state government affairs for Philip Morris in 1987. Operates "Citizens Against Lawsuit Abuse." PM paid for his lawschool education.
- Frantel, Edward W. (VP, Philip Morris, Inc. 1979-85)
- Fry, J.
- Ginnsberg, R.
- Harrera, M.
- Howell, W.
- Irish, Michael K. (Director, PM Government Affairs, 1986)
- Jackson, J.
- Jones, S.
- Leonard, E.
- Mathias
- Maxwell, Hamish (PM President c.1984)
Took over at time of Cippolone. Cleaned house. Carried company into a strong defensive position.
- Merritt, W.
- Miller, A.
- Moore, R.
- Pittman
- Quinby, Ernest P. (Bud) (PM Scientist)
Defense
- Reed, T.
- Roberts, E.
- Rothermel, Timothy (Philip Morris International)
- Ruder, W.
- Sanders, M.
- Shipper, J.
- Sykes, L.
- Thompson, K.
- Weissman, George (PM Chairman & CEO '79-84)
Vice President of Philip Morris from 1954 to 1956. Vice President and Assistant to the President in 1957. Vice President of Marketing from 1958-59. Executive Vice President of Marketing in 1960. Exec. VP Overseas in 1961, Exec. VP PM International 1962-66. President from 1967 to 1972. President and Chief Operating Officer in 1973. Vice Chairman from 1974-78. Chair and CEO from '79-84 and on the Board of Directors from 1959-84.
- Woodward, G.
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impinge upon their livelihood, their well-being, their
economic futures and so forth. And you make those de-
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make a withdrawal, the bank balance is there. You can
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threat to you. Not only who is a potential ally. Who
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helping all the organized groups of professional an4
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