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Antonio Cipollone, Individually, and As Executor of the Estate of Rose D. Cipollone, Plaintiff, - Vs - Liggett Group, Inc. Defendants. Transcript of Proceedings. Morning Session. Civil Action No. 83-2864 (Sa)

Date: 05 Apr 1988
Length: 142 pages
85856594-85856735
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Usdc District Nj
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Cipollone, A.
Cipollone, R.D.
Recipient
Sarokin, H.L.
Date Loaded
12 Feb 1999
Named Organization
Lig, Liggett
Loews Theatres
PM, Philip Morris
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Stryker Tams
Webster Sheffield
Wilentz Goldman
Arnold Porter
Brown Connery
Budd Larner
Greenbaum Rowe
Lig, Liggett
Lor, Lorillard
PM, Philip Morris
Shb, Shook,Hardy & Bacon
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Bleakley, P.K.
Cohn, D.J.
Darnell, A.M.
Decker, F.
Drozdowski, R.F.
Edell, M.Z.
Kearney, J.
Naar, A.S.
Northrip, R.E.
Parrish, S.
Silfen, T.E.
Sirridge, P.M.
Tucker, W.S., J.R.
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IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR TKE DISTRICT OF NEW JERSEY Civil Action No. 83-2854(SA) 01 - .. s. - w ~ ..- ~ s s .. r .. r .. .. s_ ~. t Plaintiff, ..v'~`s : Newark, New Jersey LIGGETT GROUP. INC., a Delaware Corporationj Pt3ILIP t April 5, 1988 MORRIS, INC4RPORATE'sD, a Mt)RUIti]G SESSID1d Virginia Corporation; and s LOEW' S THEATRES, INC., a New York Corporation, t Defendants. r ~ ANTONIO CIPOLLONE, individually, and as Executor of the Estate t TRANSCRIPT nF of Rose D. Cipolloner PROCEEDINGS - - - - - - - - --- - - - - - - - - L E F 0 R E: SOIv'DRA:3LE H.. LEE SA.RO:aI;l UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGL' A P P E A R A N C S S: ,,'3UUD, LARPZERi* GROSS, PICILLO, ROSE:rZAUM, GREE133ERG & SADE, ESQS. , BY: MARC Z. EDELL, ESQ. -and- :1ILvNTZ, GOLDi1A?J & SPITZER, ESQS., BY s ALAN 14. DARNELL, ESQ. r Attorneys for the Plaintiff. I e ecord as tak n stenographicai2y in the above-ent~ t ARNOLD & PORTER, ESQS., BY: PETER K. BLEAKLEY, ESQ., BY: Ti3C?NiAS E. SILFyN, ESQ. Attorneys for the Defendant, Philip Morris. Pursuant to Section 753 Title 28 United States Code, the following transcript is certified to be an accurate l PHYLLIS T. L8IaI5, C. S. R. Official Court Reporter - United States District Court P.O. Box 25588, Newark, New Jersey 07101 PHYLLIS T. LE19.T.i'r CSR & J©A.NIPdE ki. HOUSTON, CSR
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 21 22 23 24 25 A P P E A R A N C E S: (Continued) GREE2JBAUM, RG+TE, SMITH, RAVIN, DAVIS & BERGSTEIN, ESQS., BY t ALAN S. IZAAR, ESQ. , -and- WEBSTER & SHEFFIELD, ESQS., BYs DONALD J. COHN, ESQ „ JAMES REARMY, ESQ., FRANCIS DECRER, ESQ, Attorneys for Defendant, Liggett. BR©WN & CONNERY, ESQS., BY 3 RAYMOtJD F. DROZDOWSRI, ESQ., Attorneys for Defendant Philip Morris. ST?2YI:ER, TAi+iS & DILL, ESQS. , BY: WILLIAM S. TUCi{ER, JR., ESQ., -and- SHaOI, HARDY & BACON, ESQS., BY t STEVi;;d PARRISH, ESQ., ROBERT E. ?7ORTH?2IP; E5Q. , PATRICK M. Si*RRIDGE, ESQ. Attorneys for Defendants, Philip Morris and Loriliard. ~ PHYLLIS T. LMfIS, C,SR. & JOANNE H. FIOUSTON, CSR ~
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1 2 3 5 6 T 9 9 30 lI 11 ' 13 19 is 16 17 19 20 21 22 23 24 2S 015 AFRs'i. 5i 1963 TIM CLK~~3 A11 rtser (The fvliowing tsl4es place out of thar Wa4eriCe at the jury.) TI•3,A COURTi Plea+¢a be s#ated. Z aasor.e yGu're resolv:d all ttx evidence questior,s, you don't need a*7 !!R. lDMLLr We:l* we resa3vad what we o4uld resoi ve. z thi :k the on3y thln4 ua raso:vej i.a that leajrc tW4 of the d0fcn:anta don't object ta -U frank at4temsnt to stmokars, that cri.g poct.er, at i i::t. Cf3URT3 Ye3. MR. S03LLt All the other ev:den:.e j4 ob}ects:.~ t4;. I hawen't heaud froz the uefendants apecif zcalar viti; rear,i to cartein doog-tont& tY~~at thay wera t.) wring ba6;r, last nig1t,t ana ravies.+ an3 hsve a scazit.an on, but I aQrcui::* that st sv=art point during the day t`li bear f:or: th". L 11L tifOAiiti t to sio' it? we1s., +what's ths mo&L expeditinu.5 v3y Do you rant to give n: the abibits and rritten ebjections or c)o yOu raAt thsa on tbe rtevrd? KR. PARRiSk3: libetev:r your Roaur wanis. With resisect to the ttocuMante Mr, ide11 "ve us iaut nitpht, samt of tisose I thiak can be dea3t vith in tsr;4,s ot cataqoriaW crL objections Lc:t the other ones ws'ra goin,~ PziYLLLS T. LEWIS, CS% ~ J4 A23NZ bt. At2t3S?ON, CSR
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 a 9 10 11 6957 to have to qu thtuugh individual a3ocumentxt whatever yoiur UoA;#r thinka iU tiie mcat exp+a+iltiouz Way tce go Ursru4li-& that. T:;E Ct1URTs welif how dtfficult, is It to give x+* aQmething irs rrriting? Fly gretsrsnat would be to have brief abj*ctiona and ttse docuzents andd then I can review tbt objectiono 4na docUSanta at the eame time. MR. PARRIBUt We aan certainly do that. 7F3C COt3RTt tvhat about a reaponse. Kr. Wa11? K.R. EDLL'"s We can du thatp Judye. I don't know wneiahex I can do it by the tiisrr I ciase :.y cs.ie. IfilFia COURTs we1.I. I dun}t think that'a nacazsa:y. MR. LJ::LLi Tnat may 4a the best way to resuive it. 13 14 15 17 13 19 20 21 22 23 24 2: 'Phere are a cOUP!e oi otrs+ec matte.z bdfoce we csose I'c: .:;ke ta raaoAve with t.3e Ccrart alsc,. Ti3I: ,aOUR'.1'i W:r"it y413 tc'iIi d+i 14 C10dt': S31L~Jt3Ct Lf3 ruliaye ori avijoa:e, r3ght? Hz:. r,D+:Lt,.t__ Corrert. T:3E =RTs I tuin4 I indicated $y proierancr is that the delen3antg start riqht in and I•11 deal with tno srotions as quiekly an I ran but I don't rant to have a day or tVo hiatuS* particularly sincf ve'ra missing a rao2e wee4 in Apei3. KR. FARR3SHz One matter 3s that. for some of theaa the Court'e rulings may impact an the acope oi su=e oE our experts' tastittony or poasibie tost3muny. PU'ILi,iS 'Y'. LU4ISi CSa JJA:.~ii,iE M. i3OJSti3t4 C;SJ:
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I 2 3 4 5 6 7 a 9 10 11 i'c 3. 3 L 14 15 16 17 23 24 25 TUS CAJIRTs i•21 try to qet to it aa gsictiy az i can. Let'a just go ofP the record. (fliscussion ogf tha r.cord.) THg CaQRT; Ist thara anythfnq you want to put on the record aboztt, the gfner.i obj.ctioAS to tttaas tYbibitz or sriould I just watt until 2 racEivst the srrittsn objections7 MR. BAfiRISRs I think the Liest thing would be gor ua to get crur writte+y objoctivna ta yc" a4 scson 44 we caI1. As I say, I think sosaas of theat can t~e razalvtd in terz4 ot categor ies uut otixers rra have to deai vlitii +tn.Na.tviiJaallyi THS COut€Ts That`s tite b*st way fur :xe to as it ariA i'Q happr tcr work with it that w4y. 2t ti4cre ia nothinf e340, why dor.'t wra br;ny the jury in arsu wove on it? I take it -- and i addreau this to the dufendants tb$re is no conjensus that I shouid reucrve on the s4tion for summary ,udgment tad dirtet*d •srdict tiAtii the conciusion of detosu3ant8' case? iiR. BLEARLE1 s qo, your Bonor. We -- the rul ing in our lavor -- ws're goiAg tri b* movinq with raspact to .very c3ais in the case, but we're qoinq to be saviag especially wilCh regpect. to c+rrtain c2aixz whicht it your 3torior agrace +vith ua, wouid very s3.gnrgicantly rs;iuct kho defcnge PHYLLIS s. LEW;S, CSR JJANNE X. £3JUs'i"Jn, C3A
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z 46 3 4 S 6 7 8 3 10 11 12 14 is is 17 13 19 2a 21 22 23 24 25 6DIS st;tidence we'li put on. aiiE Ct#JZTs I undarstaasj thtstf it #u4t io--jufrea then deacltng yttlz it whiie tbo cast ic3 on-3oin,v. AR. BLZASLEY: We bave b*on puzziing ourftlvss vhat is tbo- borst •way to do that, becaua* we nndsratand rour rdanor'& Qeoire Aot to have a hiatus between plainttffs' and d$fsndaats' casa, esptcial3.y in a long cas*s On th* othar hand, ws're very canafncd about ril:,nl a cwtioa an3 thsn havsnq it unJcr sui+zlis3ion wiliiti wr VCe to"ytiired to p4t oti eYiGeJ4cg Yor seva:ai rta}4 anj itTt Gt3iy yuinq to be for the very tirat fea daya oi sruz praseatation sad. Ioean the vorr fsrat f+tk days that Wa'ra not UQin~j to be acic3roating matters that would be out of the cA" if ytivr F3onor rutaa in osr favur. V.,W COtiR': i Wbar'& the askatu& o: your bt iof ? :~i. 0:.LAF:LEYs Our orief is pro::ty cioze tio rsady. Tae quest,son 13 when we s4ouid fli0 it. Ti;B COJRTs The s"nor, tae 3setter. You know what'o coaing. You know Kra. Cipfllloas's daposition, what It ctoritaiAS aAd I think you have a fairly raasonabls •xpsctatioA oC what Kr. Cipollons's taatimony will be. KX. HLSA&3.SYt Thoss matttra don't cbang*. Krs. Cipollor.o+s dsposition snd the -- THE COxJRTi Wo'l! dsa.t with this later. br in.g theiri .i n. ?itYLL*_s T. LM1I3, CS~'.. 4 JC3ANNE M. $3Lr.~~"~`0#_0 CSF
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Ma 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 2 10 11 12 13 14 2S 16 17 10 23 20 21- 2Z 23 24 25 Ti3S CLERys kll rise. tTba faliowing ttatt:r pisc* in the prss+nnc$ ot the jury.3 TNZ COURTs Tha afswar is the sooner the better. PiNus* be seated, MA. EDMLL:. We'd iiice to road in the dspnsition of Ruaa Cigolior+a at this timar. ?UX COURTt Xt* 8ns2i. ZZ)gLLt W0 harr0 scoaa inaerts- notahookx~ ii' wso- can ps.u ths-M aut. TItE CS;7nTs You. rray. Cor t4a jury ¢iR. ?3LWZL8Yt Couid re see the irruart, TH: COURTy Is .ftt bAanic paq*s? yoyr Norlot? id;3. WAL'TiiRst A tab with sia:`aB D1ank paq62, Ma. 5Ii.MM's Wt *tili wantt to &Oo it. TUC COURT & Mr. Si.3fan is bMac:k, bi-iove.t ob5ecLiong. Only kiJding. The jury tnows thaC# i'm auro 3r. Siifan does, PM. 9LEMLEY& Can w apprOacA sidabar? (Thd tollowinq taices plaao at. iidtbar. ) MR. BLEAKLEYi Couple Of s4ttOr9a Oti+R f t that I tAought your Honor was going to, an$ if your Nonor ier go1ny to, I think bsiore the dapo$ition rsading bag3nu, instruct tnee jury that this is not the order in which the depozition PitY'LLS.'. Ta LailS. C5R & J9X",?sE Pf. HGo!rA.f.'.i:, t:a;~
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i 2 3 4 5 6 7 a 9 10 11 12 , 13 14 ,3 16 17 13 29 20 21 22 23 24 2S 7001 Dta:i ta4@n. Sec*ndiY. I tb:nk klwat the jury sbou3u kncw - 2 don't know wao tho l$dy ia who 1s qoinq to play the part ctf Nrs. Ciapoi.i.one. If she is a paicf profeagiona2 sctreas o: any kirtd, I-think tha 3ury shou1d also know that.- Stcause it's cartain2y possibis that durirg the course oF the reading ya say L6srre very strenvous a4jectiong to any tffort to act, as oppxas*d simp2y to readiny the dtpoisf tioPf.- TW. CJ'JR11% Weil, let tie do tbiai I`!i certainly gzvc toe firat in6truct.io::. Fw long as the re4--::ay iz in a rstutrsi faz:.tcn, I dsn't think it's 116cQ4w4r.y ta fiaIy anything. If you think t4aL $he :s goi.2-P overv%;~Mrd in any way, ca2I f0,^ another sijes4ar an3 W*' i.i da0idt Wi:AC- t4 Ju. i:Q rar Ihave veea sati.nfia;1, .i Au1su::xe you a3ve, t'rlxL a!-- ttzs rsazjin~iz fizure hzen fair a„i no affoct hax been azilv t:s ov,.r draraati.za anyrh:ng. Fl's3. ZLrA_KGZFs We kncw who the reaiitra were in t:-i4 past. we cicn' t know who thta 3s. TfiC CCtDRTs Veitt that's ay prefsrenc., un.ess yoj hove sona stronq faelirtg, but I'31 give that instruction now. MR. MULLs Your Honor, you ail2 inatruct tbe jury that the depvaition was conducted by tbe dsfondants? Tf3£i CG3UR't't Yea+ -~ 9R. LDELLs And Pi{YLLiS T. LIJWES, C:i-' 4 JOMNS :!. E30:3Si!:)P.1 C:3t?
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a 2 3 4 .5 i 7 8 0 1.1 11 12 f 13 14 15 16 17 1a 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 fiEw COUTTZ: NEta my permission you've rel;uastrr;: the ap;wrtunitir to teda it rxut wf order, that it WOuic't be more iogicall that way, (fibe follewing Lakes place in the preaoace oi tts* jury. ) TR& COURT: Membera of the jury# begore this particular deposition is rQad to you, I want to giYe you some axplanataoA as to what it b*p,pesing. This is what are baye cione LafaFre. Obviau; iyE Kra: Czpolio3le iz 3cwea~34j, so that raomesc.ri etxset wii3 be z*sding rhat har te3tiaony is. The oniy thing that is dif €arsnt ab-aat tcii . part.icu2ar dopasition, irs yrr3 iaave board, tise depaaitioiir'aj aa is tracYitioaai* of 14ru. Cipoilone were aon-la; ted iay the deflQi3j13nt'sa s Hr. EJ411+ reprazenLsng ;sr. Cipo3.lcnef ua~€ a4ko.l €ar Ctas opportun3 ty to presezt tha deposition nat in t4o ordo: as waa takan t+y thr Jefan4a:ltwr b~jt in ars ordaz ti4at he caasiders to be mors logical in the prasentatian rrf hia oase, and I bave granted Uim the pacaission t4 do L,hat, co you should understand tbat tbe deposittoaa will Aot ba road to Ytw in the ord.r that they were taken, but rather in tha order that Mr. Bda11 tbiaks wou2d be swr* appropriat: tot the presentation of bls cliant's aiaims. Is that inctru3tion fair and aatlttactary to everyuns, mr. Zf.3et11? PUYi.LIS T. L~',1't3, Ca^R i. JO(iiSii.~''. i'4• ii'~+/NwiVINt G3R
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?093 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 6 3 10 11 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 H-'C• MLLyMZ yVa• ".I. PAwRi a:is Ya&. uave you ever bmen knoarn by any n4mo ottier than Rc::e Detrancaaco Ciprsllan*'t A I varo known. just as Roae Def rancts-:ow Q And was that your name at birt,#i? A Yes, air. ~ Wou.td you te32 at the date and place of your birth, f~ ~~ h.:, v~s;+ ~~~:~;c•:~~i 17th, 1525, and -my p4ronts IiveJ in ~1ati~i~i-~1w'~~~ar t.F~~~f1S~i• Q qure you L-orn in a haspita;? A i Naz tKira at h~4wa. Walal; V:3t4 ti19erL Wera you 8d3frl~'r1. k3 l4l1'tor4iiv A I Wau "rtied FttbFttaty 2ri:3, 1947, in 141tn C:uiitee: on L.m,~t 115::i Stroet in ManhattSn. Wuu~ deraomiiution Waa: adt. Carmoi Churcrr? A A CatYculic CYsurch. L .,:. YOU *vat beal7 WArr i.td leforei A tio, a4t.. Had your buaband ever been married iefore? A No, ai r , Q How long have yag lived at 96 rierto3otto Avenue in Littlt Forry- Nev Jeraey? A 23 yaara. 0 So that wnulc# nean that you hava itved there since a:;,Qst P114YLLiS T. L$r3k:,s C3,,t 4 Jt'3AI;~3L H. HO:dMN, C.y:?
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1 2 3 4 S 6 7 a 3 10 11 12 F 13 14 15 16 17 1e 19 20 21 22 23 24 15 Utpo$stioYl Of Et4ua-- C1;i011¢lia 7004 1961 or 19633 A bctflber 1960. 0 where did you live griar to living at 96 "rt.ulottu AvenueT A Bryant Avenue, in Tae Bronx.-- Q Nov long did you live at that Acfdreau? A 4'rn yeara. Q 4en years4 A Yea. Q Su that would have been iro.~i auQut Octob*r af 19507 A At~:~u t . ~? Wae.e +Sid you live pr ior to l#.ving at 1353 Brya.yt. A°renue in The Bronx3 A ZA3t I3S:h Ucaet, 84A.q4ttaa. .0 noo lcnj dici you .liva at that addvear? A App,r4xiaateiy throe yeare. 0 Su we ate talking abcuk apptaximateiy 0::to:;Per of 1947 that you vould havar soved there7 A Aealiy whart I got amrri+tds it rauld have been 'ebruarSr of 1947. Q February 19477 A Yru, Q Whece did you live Fribr to i.iving at SamC 105th Street in Manhattana A 115th Street in Kattaattas., PHYLLIS T. LZ.d1a'", CSd: vOANUE K. IiOt)S-0t:l, CST%.
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t 5 6 7 a 9 0 A ; Degou3tian of R04c CiP0i.1drna 70CS How long h*ve you iiveJ at- that addres::? Since Octoirer of 1040. Whar* did you live prior to iiving +at 115th 5treect in m4ahattanT A 0 A On Anenve a in dovAtr3vn Manhattan.a gcrir Ioreg did you live at that_ addrsaa7 Ali my 3.ifa.. I guess sinco ay parent$ moved fcom= Rio}uaanc3 Bx13. I.+as tWo 'aoarhs old wbem we aoveci thera. 1 0 A ~ so you Aava 1ived th*ba frwa Wel.i, froa two months to 1940. S•o yos b*ne liveu there alnce 1926 a pprcxir4ateLy 7 A Q Apprax3aately, W:x* livari with you during the ;e:iod of ti€:{a froz api3rssxi:aataIy 1326 to 1940 Ynen you 1l.ve3 on Avenua~ 0? A 0 Avonuc D. i'm sorry, Avenue 1) ia Kanhattan? A Ny mothqr, azy father: an:~ ay oidar sister. Q Anyone etso liv4 irs tne co" during that parlo:i of t+ma? A t think ay graadfather I aw not aurf. q Mat rraa your lat3zar's naaw? A Philip Josap3s ©ef ranceaoo: KR. BO:Li&s- CoatiA;Aing Page 6, line 23,7. Q i s$avoar Mr, De:rancosoo rag your iather's father who waa bc:crs in 3icxiy; is tha#~ correct? A Yas,, sir, FHY;rLIS T. i,E-4.S, CSR & JflA~.'~NE M„ UOUST'Ot1, CZR
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I L 1 12 3 4 S 6 7 a 9 10 11 12 13 14 is 16 17 ls 19 20 Z1- 32 23 24 Depoaition ai- P.u50 Cipoiione 7006 MR., =MLt Pago 9, line 25,I5. Q How +sboat youc qrr,adi~artnta on yosr mothar's side, didd yau know rhel-k? A Na. I didnit. Q Did they •vsr coa* tQ tba t3Aited Staterr? A io, sir. Q D3.d you happen to know their date and place of birr.b? A X don't remoobtr the dat.e. Tbey ciied tn Ita1y. My 9randfatter, whose riaise vaa Acstaony c2iud vheq wy t+ro;ner wAs ayvar o1d, so 1 vouW say oaybe about 1932. IAnw he t:a3 H4 Wa&_ 73 or 74 y*arz; oid@ Q !-*'era ttrev fto;A the jaa;.-e area in :ici;y trsat your riat,aar wAs born in? R Ya"-, sir. a uow bouC your grar2-jiAmtr;er? A SiAra Jae-J in 1947 in the a&:..a t"n„ Sne wa4 84 years c?.id. Wbat wZg twer caus* af death? A G13 +sge, I quaea, I don't t.nlly know. Q So I aaaume that your brother and two ,ristecs rere tho oa$y otha3r ttbildrett in your fuaily? A Ysg l sir.- Q I ssauz* that they would have 2ived Vitb you at Avenue n# in. Manhat'tan, fraz4 the tfme of your birth --- of courso, Youz o1+30s ai:Atcr ra5 br,rn Wore You were born, 4ntil M"LLI5 T. LV,7Ia, CSrt & JOr'4NNS K. WU;T4A, CBR
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1 5 4 8 2 10 11 12 1 13 14 1s 2t 27 1& 19 20 21. 22 23 24 25 33epvu:tiori of Rose Clpolionre- 7007 1440? A We a3.3. 3.ived togati3er az a family. Q That vaulsi toe Ccue fur the •ntire periol of tin* wuile you 1iWed at Avenue D#A Manhattan? A Y+.s. . 4 Could you descr ihe tbat rieigIaborhood? A iA what vsy do you want a* to deacriod it? Q Was it prtvAri,iy rovidantial7 Wtre there factariaa in tho nxca? A it waa c0air3entiai witia rsCorea. ;~ ane famiz2y rao":r? ti43.idin(}a. Soxo saia I i buis.ci::nqv an3 a.jQc Lsir4e oai,itiinqtt and ntureu. 0 wcre tntee any factoriez Ir: ttle ataa? It wds -- wa3i, it- vs:. jaat iika a yro::e:y Caaai attC?rot i?$IL3ei' A:is?pr a saioona 0 Do you recalL vhethor there Waz any a:c poIlution in the area? A go, there was Aone. 4 And you lived tn an apmrtX*s1t# 3s that correct? A Yls, ai t. Q Do you reca.l2l wbat kind of hsatiQg ayotea ras ua.d in tt:a apartment? A go had a coai atoue In th* kitcntn. 0 HaW many roos3 wee* in thcr apacrt,&onts approximate:y? PHxLLIS T. LVj4I3, C s,t rA JOAN:v'4 k. NOi:STO.N. d:Q-R
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Deposition nf RzAe Cipoi.,arza i0017- I 2 3 i 5 0 7 8 10 11 is is 17 13 23 24 25 A 3ix. 0 Si x rooLiw+? A yqu. p Kher# yas your father rmp1oyesi c3urinq tha tiaa you livod toqltthsr st.Avsnue D? A At 104 Avenu+e 0. 0 ithat waa fihe natur8 of hi3i *SipiQy3dent? A aarber shop. ;~ idZL3 he A th1c'bdx ? A Se wa*. a bar"r. ~ Was that tne entire t.ioe ya4 11ived on Avsrnue D? A YeaE sir. , iCouasal ccrnfer. ? Q1 when you Varo a chii ls, rjtiiliez? whon did you atart yain•;i to t21a A flh, we vecsa yuite yvtiii,~. Ibc;iote cvAyLoc t;~ouL nin? Qr ton. Ry Fethar Us*& tu keep poztera in tht :M::!;~-t€ V-qu_; where he workua, the movie p.asterv and in tnu4e dayr t;ic): nead to put a poetsr of what raa being shown at the tocai raovi* houna, and btcausQ they had the poat*r !n the rinc3c:w,, we xoul4 qet free passes an3 we uets to be al2owed to go to the novife for free and ueed to qo aany atCerAoons. 4 Wea that priaarilx Saturday attfrnoone? A Dhr no it rou.id bo after eouoQ1. I don't thint wQ uera aaiow~-3 tu usse the Pasaeu atl aweekernda I t;;ink we only C:A i n n C PH`iLLI`•3 'L`. LVI,..~'i, CSR i~ J4AUUM 14. FC)USTrJ1or C.',~8 CO
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2 2 3 4 4 7 a .9 10 11 12 13 14 is 15 17 1$ 23 24 25 DOPoS3tich 09 Ro*t Cipollone 7039 Cou33 U6e t$sia Juring the WeOK. The,{ were lraa0iea a--# r4sy weren't qoia; to iat us use thea on weeksnd. Q You said you bad paatera. A fibtre were large posters that.tb+s sovf• peopie unad to put iA zbe xiad*v aa a3vsrtisinj ct what Was gaiag to appsar at the local aavithouse, and bscauae the barber allowed them to adrertise nora or lssar put it tn that Vay, in their viudOV# thsa they roQld qivs a auffibec of Yr*e pass.a to the barbsr far atiioving rhsm to sjv*ztis* &.1d taen Poppe . u3sd to 9ivV tttC;:• tO 40 to qG to ths moviss w1ta az;i we aae:3 to give the freo paiss Y°Uat's how ve gat fn• 0 You x1wiidd go pr imar i zy, ; asauacp wita y0ur o3dcr aiztsz? A We ussc: to som$tiraeu take my .iittla :~rother when he got a 3.:.t`i€t olLer. Q So ya;: qQ;. to a+as a lot ot aov3sra? A A lot ot "viea, rig:,t. .4 Waa there a irarticaiar movic theater that y4u went to? A Yss. Thtr* rraa the boew' s. I tbin3c they called it Lo.rts Avsnua D, 'ih$t waa Sevsnth Strtst, I think it raa, bixtb or Seventh hv.aus D. Q Did rou haVe any -dfl pOu havs any nwvie stus that were partioularly #avoritQa of yogra? A 0b, there rtre +w s$.ny. We uaed to like a lot of w:4via Qtaxrs. I uaed to like Joan Ccaw,ford an1 Sonia Hsnnie arl3 PIiYs'.LIS Ts LVIS, G5R i .T'JA+i:J : A. 13Qt1=U!. CZft
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aepouitiorst of Roy0 Cipolicsna 7010 r L # 6 7 a .9 10 21 IZ 23 14 whoraver, Looiaa Rainer. Yw at* datiAg me,. ROnry PGnd&, Ricbard Graon, L$s3i* Ho~Fardr Norma Shearar. Very raAny, w6 wore aaovie faA:,,- Prar,ken$teia; RR. SLSASLEYs May we approaob tbR b*nch? trba itilloving takas piaca at side bar.? MR. h;.MAXi.EYt I tbink YoUr Uoa0r aan anLi+eipAte =y objtctioar but the raader ia obwiousIy aating and i can see it Ss gcsing to iacraase asi3 continuo a+nd that ia cleariy a'i:f jectI Ullai7.i e a aR. pAARI:U So Eor t'r;ty bave baen raiative4.y m1nQr, b4t. Chere havt been ti"v wbara the raawer ia aitrimr cto.eting or ins+arti.og wvrc3A# in raaPonze to aqusation ano Saidt Ooi1, ii'.3s• ai`rd t22kt traCiecri.p#: doe2 Aot reflRcit thlt. It haa ae€n minor so fart but it is bad auough dhan ahe uta+rts to act, but now she is puttang in ltttla adaitional Worda, anci doi.ating ar ad4inq can m4ke a big difFeren~:c to it that_ the jury wiii drav fro;a rhe tsati&oriy. ftA. 13t,BAXLEYs Tbora ia nn cLuctlinq in tsja ttanectiptr and I can antiaipatae vhat rtli huppsn, anJ thia is tspropar: and I think the raadar shou3d be instrutitrd at this point of the dapooitioa saadinq and Wora it gets too far, that she is not to act »~ MR. REARM t I would lika to note a ncQ1• line was Jropped out on the top of one of 23oi1`rs pagas. It waA not an Importsnt line au wo didn't braaS it ui3. 15 16 17 19 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 PUYF,S.iS '1`. L F`.is 151 CS-1 6 JON.Uu X. UO'35,11a:., Cap
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Dv;;-o-sit1on ot Auae cipo,iimt - 7011 3 6 7 t 9 10 11 12 r 13 mR. BDvLLr if thera-is bn oWOcciQa: wAke yojr ViJi{yctMo.\ 4rhViiG iYi [iW ~+Y fIR. ,Xx It is not a big 3esl, T88 C+EJURTt What should we do with the witness? HR. WE"i I will ap*at to the raader, your Houar. MS. OtAirTERBt We aaksd hfz not to read in a monotone and Roue Cipollone didn't anawer the queatisrns ia oonotone. 7R' COURT: P don't t4ink it is necea!iary to da it in amonotonee Thare is a"lanCe bet.een reac3ing it La tihat it i.w iytecestiny and teading it wit~h too muca infl.actiono so talk to her 5nil tel3 riar to una 9001.1 ju3gmint. ` 14 1 tand ot aido L~ac.3 35 16 17 3a 19 20 21 22 23 24 IlR. ZD-CisLt fty(t I5r iina ~~~t 39. yQa rawecx;:er any of thg tezaie atara taat yau 'nave "nti4ned seio,,~Ia-j 1n the zoviar; that- you saw7 h You want to know S:.Qeth.img? No3t of them aaokad. I reasaber they ussrd to 3o so qlamar4us they alwaya uas:i to vs ar eventng gowns and we couldn't usa3erstand why they wore evening qoms and not regu2ar dr.sae* 2 ike we dfd, abort. And they always used to h4vt aigarette$. 8etty Davis Yas always uuaoting+ z rea$=Wr a lot of that in the toviss. Q Did you have during t4as ptrio3 of tiue a t+uFataer of movie magazines tha: you got and read? 23 MLLLS T. LVY.r4r. CSR aOANI33 4. CJLtSTGNO CSP
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1 3 4 S 6 7 8 9 10 11 0eppultion 0i Rose C#.pwlione- 7012 A Very many. Q Dcs you teci11 any partieuiat rta~aea of tho" Abvis "qartitie3? A Tha wagevinas, ietss sae* we nsed to qot True 5toryr Trua Confsa*faas, all thtougb the y"rs, Coamopolitan, i.aases Ooze Jdurnetl, RaJbao3c* Pbotopla}•, Trae. LftQ, Look, rbatsver we could get our bands on; Q Were thert any partiduiar aagazineu that you rsoall thate tftet'tZ jLl*t t~eYL3tC3d to th* tsst3V1* $nd movle titaZS tha: yqi3 qfiit durin, t4at paFtoij of tire? A The movie wagaaines were devo:e:3 to the xovie atar;i. 4"atsvcrr yau ccw.Ir1 g$t rsaa.3y? 1 13 t:wvra was a. Junic "n L 14 13 16 23 24 2S A Yeti... Bec4u-ie WO uGa1 tO 90, arc+and. Che corrYet f tom us* ui:: naae was Nerra.n. H* uaed to ,~;c;Ilawt -r- thls is trus. z*n` t iaugh. no ua-ad to co:1ect oia ntwspaperuf "gaxinQO, raqu, botcl*3 anl xs couIJ,-Vt aikord to buy mwgezinee so we uueJ to go arflund tkts corrter and we ussd to ask Heraaa Cou.td ws hava thitr uagazine,., cou,tl we havt that and !o was a very nice qantl:uen. 2t waa a friend at my fatbsrla and ht used to say take, so instssd of tatinq one, we usad to tia&e fivo aqd nore and r• u:ed to run - ?o" and ra had all the .agozLnts. Q Did you cut pictures out of the uAga:inea? You Mantlono3 you Uj a scrapboak? A ge had a 1att of Wt had atacica of PHYi,,LIS T. t.EU£ar CSR 4 JOAAINw M. MDU3'P0•3+ Cs:
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D*Pozitxcr.n of Rose Cipollana 7013 scrapb~*oks. 0 Yoa ctut plcture3 out of thoae "gazines? A Yeuf We uaed to trade. F°aen if they ysren'#t our 5 6 7 a 2 10 11 12 P 13 14 115 16 17 13 19 20 21 22 23 24 farroxite utar, butt mayYe it rras sonebcKly°s *lso'a fisrarite star, so yeu cut e3rerythxAq out and tb+en you would trade saybt- a Henry Fc+s;ia far a Lesiis so+vard._ Ttaat is vbst we did vhan we vera kida,_ ~} Did tbe tcading involva otbers thae your sister or waa A r dur1'tt teally re"ML,4r. I r*Maaaer Mayu4 in zohcio.i we uses~ to siip thera through t~.o deskr~ ~~ ~~ildr~~. ~u~'t at~~ :ca wt]o thtly vere. t: *ra snytraliag othet thart sMOi,:insJ thOt irv:: an;3 ~a~ts~r ~t~rr.7 p4riial,)-u your sistsrrz- d.id if you litta G~oz A We uje%~ to paay that we tve:e Che movie utars. rrae vc»>a:z dwmotairs tro:u us haa daughtcrs that wer* a.lpt aider Ca;,n ~t3~es, us and aEie uae;3 to gi.ve u& their 3onj drea:~C:: and a3j htqa heei4r and wa us*J to reuti thaw an in the backyar+l and we ses:3 to ro31 up little pieses of paper and we used to ralk arounc3 with these hiqh bealr and thase old faariioa*d lonq dresa+as and with the ©iqar®ttes aad wa were playing rauvia star or qco+rn-up. That'a h+cw w* played. uf very poor so we bacd a gigantie box with a2ll these olci Clataea. Really I'm aorty I hav& to 1au1:z aUt i 25 1 look iaac,t on it nuw and it was isathet1C. There vsare thea6 hHr's.LT.S T. t.~'.WiS* CSR & JC3ANNw M. H;]USi'O'Nit Cvit
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I , 24 AePOSWan of-: Roza Cipo3.lone 7024 tarribly a13 t+rg9Y tiOthaa a.d we uaa3 to put ths= cn. But they wsra long ar.d fancy. wa cta*d to stick our snoes ini.,; thu big ah"a and ve uQa3 to clutter around thae yard an-i used to ro3.l_ up little piac+ts of p&ix.r and .ra uaad to make believe ua •wara movie stars. Q Do you recall sorinq any of tgaaa awia stars in adu other than advertising rs laziag to cigaratte amoking3 1 2 3 4 3 i 7 A Th;y woctl3 be ada -- not sda, I Would say. I vould say thece w4re Victures of thea in tiie "Jazin:s. .:I D-o yl;.s recrili them i" any a3u ot: er than a 9 10 A War bontia; duYinj toe war, Il Anythinq aia+t? Ciott`ainqt petfu=eY 12 A No, I rrr&Liy dun't rameaWr Lwt1 nz:. =zz":-v. Yoar 3iono*, we have an 0>a3acLion tv thi3 e3ea3.gria :it,n. T:3:. COURTt I uiii naea aCopy oi thc, transcriat 13 14 15 zs tne.n. MIS. WAL.USt I thwqht wa has 4i vef, y0a a ao~sy a couple of days ago. Tn3 CCDMTi Thay warr returned or. should have batca rttarao-J. Want to ata iE that is it right at the edge of IKr. tlqdfrwood's ddak right tbera. Arss thosc tba da,posittono? MR. HM~:,Ls No.-. Depositions *varywhare. I will i'iaa ta$ca. 17 16 19 20 21 22 23 25 i's3Y7.ItY YS, i 4 Wi.Yi ii?! i.V.a. Jt?Ji#NE X. AJ:3s-,Or3, CSA
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1 2 3 t S 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 14 15 16 27 18 19 20 21 Deposition Qt Rast Cipo1loriff 301S ,%So kfALiER.S t I viYl give hin this cai)y, 'rt3Z Gt3URTa ZgdVe them beck to Nr. Undervood Wsttt tr,e requeat tnat W rsturrs tbe% t4 yoo. I knov I do aot have them.-- H-T. WALTZRS= I an sorry this is not in a bia3er. ?t3C CUtiRT; That #s all right. So the page number -- XR. fWSLLt Page ia 28r paur Nonoc. 't^}iY;. LaURTs And '%" 2 3,t3e fiR. 23=Ls 211, 23r t2ir-;~~uyh 2:2, 13. This 3rder -- to be in proper o: dar &"uld be at ps~je 45 v:: tn* tr$na.crspta. Vaat Ss wu*r$ t#Ae defen3akit:; dt:.iynat0d it so f. JQst W ai'! tev t o - drX COt3RTs Jusz sc it wou:.:: bel'~ me, is that waaL is in Lh* 1.)lu* or a,ZQs? RR, MEL4.it Yo:;. fihe:e l$ no c>bJectiOn tv Ay r*sdialg in tha ot4or s;,wt, is there? MR. p75RRI3H& Not sure I un38icst&nd. I doa't- nnderstans2, Marc. MR, NbELL: sais portion I believe lac d.sigaated and sLoo3J be at page 45. Hk. PhRRI3iii Yoa have no objection to readinj it gH3i LLIS T. L::.4iS, CZR & Jt3ANNI. ". HoLtS'rat., CSR
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I 3 4 3 6 7 -0 9 10 11 12 r 13 14 1./ 14 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Dopvaitlon of Roia C:potlcne ?016 H+tr. Zi3ELLc No. NR, PARRI5Hi That iss fine. ''.23"'w C£3U`Cli s We have d'lf.$@i'i'{1'IL'eRq t'.t'ii,$i+ PtW)Zea? MR.- ROSLLs Yta, Judge. THL Ca:1AT$ Thaak yuu. KA. JiDZLS.;, Pago 19, ~t Quring the tiraa you iivai on &vaAus D ia xnnhatCatt, did you Attead grad0 achonl? Q sy.1at gra;ia se3ioo1 did you atten;!? A I uttvnJaJ P.S, ls up to the th.rd grcae. Q All zijnt.. A "t'Afly tr*naferied tttt beC@3tii3a L'if +1I tLtie. 1a on 9th Str¢at. C} Wa3 t'tsat wnere yau aonp,iatea graa* a;:,sooI? A Ya&,. Up to the 6th srajeo Q j 1zjer.,2 dj,.4 J, you go atta: tjla Ut.~ gza~4e? A Dahoc Junio: ai%4 Schoo+* i.~} i' ~ ~ b.-,.a• Q Rhat gradea did you atttnd at 8abor Junior High ichool7 A. 7tb, !th and 9Lh. i~ ltbore did you ottgnd biga schao13 A 1taehiAgton Irving. 0 How !a r did you go in high achool? 24 A It vas the 11th or the aiddie of the 12th. ; s3;an't reca3l. I keo=v I bad a:,,Qe senior ai.aaaes rrt3ett I lalt, mmLiZ fi. LE11dap CS.R a Jf•3tlURS R. UOi]FTON, CuR
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I L I 2 3 4 S 6 7 a g IV 11 12 2;. 14 is 16 17 IB 23 24 25 I megosition o€ Rusa- cig+oliona ?C17 0 Approsrimately what vouid you have -•- what +ro,tld have uean the dst+r when you Iait. school? A I rsa13y don't rQmambere I think Yt rrau 1947. a YOU 2ftft to ©t?t+eiat tisployMsAt? A Yas,,• p Did you obtain amployment? A YlNi Ilcir. ~ wi~ers? ~ Wi1ate was that .ioGat"? A On Thi rd Avenus i n Marshattan. 0 U:~k to your ytarz in hija bcnoul. a4e hert ny partfLulac socia.i frien3a wsjoh you ha:j in hi,jh acnooL? A tJa 8ir, i , 0 taO groop that. yov z;:e:j*Z your Irg$ tirak: ~it~? A Vie itv club g . 0 I'd iiko you if_u you wo;lid to r3eacti,~,e y0ar persQna-!ity At y" ra0rc qrowini Qp, Az an exawpie, Imean were ya<x an outyoing psrrron, or a ctssarvarS person? A I would say an outgaing perstsn. 0 Oid you get a.ioaq rail, with your C3asssates at sohooi? A Y+u. , 0 11*v about other young people in the AoiqhDorhoo3? A Yea. Q wu~;Ij you 3oucribo y0acssif as a r,erYous or a oalr» P:iYWuI3 T. LZ143"S, CDit 3o1.,am H. €€~.~` us"iw~t CS%
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I 2 3 4 5 6 7 S 9 10 11 12 14 lS 14 17 is 19 20 '21 22 23 24 25 aopoziti.oa of Ra3a Cipullone 7018 persun? A Iwaa aa pretty happi' harscn. HR. M°t.Lt. There iss a aeatement by =*z Hu uaato you to describ4 your persona3ity up to 19d0.- A t was a, ahild. 2Wa3-1 3ApPy child. I played tha piano a,n3 lived with my nwtner and Uthec ind piayed Yith my aiatec an3 I vas a happy 3itt3e girl. p Did you take piano IeasonsT A No, I aeaa vacy ta,tente;:. 1 reAsA',*r I:earned to play kay mysel.f. 0 Would yaa charart.arise your4elf as h,av.tn,; u Ce;2per, a "r1 tempa r, not hoC a teoper? A Tdon't knaw. I'c3 get Angry eise. 5ur~etiu*z my fQt.her use,i to c,hase = out of the izv:nj co3m "c4uaa I rres aakis--j trjo rauch nus.se on ttv? aiana Znj I rrould Su:.it. I think I was a prett,y :zoMal uni.i~i. Q flid yo3 ever bite your naila? A Yes.-• Z did.* Q Thia;ia up to 1940? A Ue. Q Did you have any dit€fcuity iA brsa.xiaq thit habit? A vot: rea33y. One day I lookes3 at my fingers and I aaw thay vcsrra urly and I atopped biting ny naflu. Q About whAt aye? P:il'LL7SS ;. LLMIS, CSR i d©A;3W: A, HOUsTt'3N, CS;1
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5 a 7 a 9 10 31, 13 14 16 17 is 23 24 35 bOPcsS+tioa of RoS* ctpoitQna 7015 A 1 rioctIt reaaii. ra YoJ had Ao rOa'A. diffIcUity that yOQ reCAii in bZQ4kihg that Aabit? A No.- Q I ask®;3f it you resall having -- r wooid aonsider nail bi.txng a habit that is associated with bring nervous. Wouad yow consider aaif biting a habit that's as#ociated with bsing aervoua? A NO,. Q Where there -- were there particular timaz +ri*sen you wauid bite your naiia more Often tilan othors? A N0. ~ jL3:bt W'•1t7r1t'31QfT. Did yaL have any hr~;~~5e .? ~} Could y4u describa th*4st Lor mt, piga~ie? A I usedd to coi3ewt no+:ie atar piCtur9::# I uax•! to cut. tt4¢:a cxtt and sut tham' in aaczaq book. Q AAp nther ttoi)biia? A I Ueed to 1 iice to play the piaQo, Q Anything •1se? A And I rsad, vEry mwc4.- I tboaght I raa qaini; to read every book in the iibrary.. I tead mag&zin*a and DaoK3 and nwspaper+s. I lovs3 to read. L st:xZ, da.. Q Were t.bets any ot:ier ttZinya that you lixa3 to dQ ir: your PF3YLLIS fi. LR',a15, CvR i 3okIt,"11. H. SOJSTJ:Y, C5.
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I 2 3 4 5 6 7 t 9 20 11 Iz / 13 14 15 26 17 16 19 20 21 22 23 24 2S I AsMition-Cr Aaog CipUltone 7020 leizars ti:Ae that you haven't toij us ahvut? A I like to siatg. Q Y04 vare ins the choir at school? A rn the ql.e club at rChaoi. Q Did the. death of your tather in any way atf"t your p+itrsonality or any of ths thiags love asked you abo4t, A In what way? Q Wu31. .roro tAere any chaAges ia your appraach to Iifs, f or exsaNie? I asks;3 you- 14C, yott wert ou:.-guing ind reuerve=32 Uid that chanys in any way? A Nz, I w46 sail jay fawher dia3. I reA3ized WO we.e p"r when pap;a d=*d. it thatCvuid oa ca;ie,i a oha:iqp, but I xt xi: piayeu the ptsno.. snd I sti #l sang. Q 5t.i2l tho sa~a type of perrson? A 5t'sil, yea. Q tih4en Y0u were growing Up in the huse, c:id, yojr fatnez evtr ctr iU a3coho] ic bevrragas at hae? A Dn occasion. Q Would tbat be generally viae with dinner? A A 3ittle rine with dioner, yes. HQ ns.d to dciat about a half a Ilttlt yla$s of wtnt at- Aigirit with his supper. Q Sow about your rrother, did she a®*r drink aiaoho] io beveraqes? A Very rar+aLy. Q M6y:xe a 3.ittle wine on a rara ocoasion? FRl'LLc35` T. L+ EW.2s cask &' ' JOhNiiE A• R':>tl=jN, CNR
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s 2 3 4 5 6 7 a 9 10 11 12 14 is 16 17 18 23 24 25 DepQait iun of Rosa filP91l9fle 7221 A Ju3t abuuL. 0 U*vc you over dzunAk alcohQiic baverar~a*? A Yarx, Q Wtien app,roYiaately did yoQ atartT A V+exi0 at boa* vDen we wsra little we rould h,ava a little bit of rina, not rauoh, like a littlo.- Li.ne the- battom of thQ glass with our dr in3c. BDELLt Yosr fionor, ve hava- an objection t4 thta psV* y,a.ny tbrfl4Yb iime 2I5: ane, We belteve rhUt it'a adupiicatiorS an3 it apinara iatarz at p3gea 67 e=i3 69 of the t;'a°#a;SK:L" ipt. afUC COURTa Y" wish t4is tead. Mr. FarrizrA3 U. PA.Musii; Ys.+sS, ino:jr Iiflncr, I'5;;, ZDF414L; I3I:3tead V4 beiIiq 1'*al .'1t trlv jAteZ, ,~-art io. 7 X?. PARMISH3 Well YY KIZs LULIs:-., I#.'s sa:3t of c4ira.°'auiogi~°.$1 cirt-3ers #CH. PAFtRiSi}i Uac, Tf y~uu YoQ1.d itkGs I'i.i t>O 9lad to e]tplfi iA. ?FIE COtiATs I'll just read it first. Ovarruied. I'li psrait it to be resd oc dirazt that it be road.. Wa'ze t.IictAq ab*-jt page 213, 2ine 2#T Mit. ZWEvZa Yes. I)ust want to put the notation wheze it's in later, that's itis already 1>sen resd. P:IYLLI i T. LFIb#I; , CSR & JOARRE tI. MtMST3id, LSs"t
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, L I 2 3 5 6 7 a 9 10 11 12 13 114 is 3s 17 13 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Dte*ottioA of Rosa Cip-4sicna 7022 Q As you 90L a iitt:e oidar, ffiay 17 or i3! J.d ycaur drinkintj iacraage? A uura.. ® What rould you dr ink dur ing that por iod of time? A An accasivna,l coaktaii# 3.ike a Manhattan becauza it in tbat farccy qiass, ~ Tt lookad qlauwtous? A It 1ooi:Ird 2ov+t3ys. aaQ want to knW sfrnzrathittg? ;b3te the,z.. Do yo:A rocalil any azvia atszs in ads a4vertiain; Waa Alcoh.,lic A ~ Jon't reca.tl. u 3Jt yQu drazlk in part becaoze of rtie qiamor, aeaiatn uz;vxa stars drin3cl-ny duei.nrj A Yea. I thaa,ht it W40 a;W 1row*n u;. ani nice. IL aivayu UZ&A i:o hava a ate. glaaa tn tho mov,ity aaj wa exp4t Ym-anted.. -a Do you raCaii what waa . Uie clircuiA;itani;aa ot yvjc f1cat drink whan you war* out aray froa A"e? A Yr4s I got nick on itw I went to the Wo'7i@s and Otn the ray# it vsa 2ika maybs a firat or second date or sasathinq anc3 ra v*rr aSrouP b*cauza asr ®otber +raa very atrict and didn't allow na out alone. Ka .rire on the way to Radio City a-14 wa OtoPPad attd tiAc3 a drink 444 rJuBt COuidn-'t han3i4k itt be,:ausQ t can't drink.. ignt aicr. on it and that waa the PHYLLIS T. L8-4iJ, C3€t JVliaiN:.'SS 1'ls ii`..•V.aeVilj CJ3.
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I 2 3 1 S i T e 9 16 11 22 , 13 14 V; 10 23 24 Depafiitiota o€ Ruaa Cipoii0ns 7023 flruf af my llunhattan. C Aboat what ave ware y0j "on? A I must havt been abaut 10. 0 Whan you rrera growing up at homar and I am raikiag now back in tha .period 1926 to 3940, did your fathar ssuke? A Yoa s Q D€d ba smoke dut ing the ent i rQ p+r iod of ti:ae? A iQaM- ,Z W,at rras his attitude trrwar;: smokinj *y aia eitildren? A Nall, i dva 't rtncrw baca4vt ve wara yvungr Q Did he avac say snythittg tO yau aOvJt SAQkin~j? Q Whcn yvu w+ere growiag up in thu did yuur r;Qtrie: uaoka? Q Did any of yesur aisturis sar,ka7 A Mi. rot at tiiat tiaftt Q Did yrsur brotbar "oice? Q 8o up until 19tfl. aabo4y €a th; laaiix szokerd except your father? A correct. Q And you didn+t know what bis attitude would bave been townrd your smok.iU3 bacauste ba aavar axpKOrAed it? 23 A 33e di a d. PHyLt,IS T. WEMifi, CSit JOAti 6E fi4. tiDJS`;`JN, CSR
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3 t 2 3 4 5 6 ? a 9 10 11 33 1 23 14 1s 16 17 18 1t 20 21 22 23 24 25 F3*p0aition- ot &ase cipLilot3e- 7334 ~~ oid yflur "tber evtrr exiaiesaa Aer attituJe tc:,ward amc,icFreo b,y the ehilaren7 A Are you ta3icing about- tha yarxra up to 1940? A ga. 0 Never aaiai anyth#,nq ab~wt saoting? A No. 0 Did any of the otaer fami3g+ atZbers, rt3ativeb, ever Qay anythiny mWUt xmo9cin, up uatil 1~407 A X cioa•t urkJerstnnr] khe jumatioa, Q Azxy o: y3ur &unC., ur,cloa, yraiir3,;israrnto tha> yuu have =ado t!3;at yuu WAy htvt t*en in u01xtaCt With Ove. ta.ik tu you aW:xat aluokiny ptior to 19407 A Not t hat I r oc$ li. KR. &DELLs Yoctr HoaQr, t4e desiqn4tiort rrhleh Logins at line 23: 22 we i;~e::ievo iz out ot o:~rr~nva~~lcai order an3 appeatz J,ater in the traazcripr aC pa4a 4,3 as;d iD. TUk; CoWITt go yo?A'te juat talkini ai>o:jt the asquen.ce "an? MR. SDELLs That'a cotr.at, yoar Boaor. TRC CDU&T& Al1 righfi. I'Il permit tbis to be raa:3 later at your disarttion, Kr. ~3$I1. MR. 1!DULLt The aamt la true aA the foilow.Enj pajet your Honcr, line 1Zd, 22 tarough I24. x5, that appears iater at paga 52 and line 182, line 16 throlgii 183, - line tnrae PI3YL:.I S T. LE'n Z3, C5bt 4 JaAN:•Tz A. Ht3ii,tiTCrN, Cax
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I 2 3 4 S 6 7 a 9 10 11 12 13 14 Za 1c 17 13 23 24 25 DOPOSfcion *: Xo;:rr £spos.iane 7025 xpp*aru at pave 50 of the tranzcr4pt. 'iUE COJaTt Prafttiy, I cVa1 63.1 g: that alreaJf ~~ ti3o ru:iing appiivrs to ai1l t.hoae gortia"!. MR. P~1.'~R,ISRi May- we approach the banr:h? hR! SBARNEY: May we hsva- a ec,idtbar? (The toixawi.ay ta.kta pi$aa at aidtbar.) TNS COCA?t 3ust. aQ Va C3.earr the only o5jsction is rhore thia is Dui.nq ra$c!. Both oi' you agreoit shasld be read? 44. PARRZiS+it Traat'4 wh; Va he%-,t, fvit idonaz. ln g0ing thraugtr the trang--ript 43 rV:.on4truCte3 vy Kr. Eae13, titars is *Ore than flne "caaion wh4re a Portion ot tastxmoiy is reoewteds ror axarrpie, I'-. juAr wzaxxm;~ u.r '~a~.`' A=L$$r3* b4t th1it ~kl:d 'yks :~y tiirJ:3q:; t.i'atl tGa7a3+az:L i;1L, til@te wi1il be <,ue4w.:0n3- araci ana-aeLa fr= page 209, wrh ic,'R a~;;)ear Qn P4ysa 15 nf tAa rscan3iLrsCLe;# rranacript aa;i ta3cy°ra again in t.be tranzc:cipt lster on. Nov, ": ausce o± your Hon:;r ta ru1.ing abz*ut sllowi:ag Mr, +EJaIl to p-it i.htv traiiscript in t;ue order that be waAtad, I aonsidarsd that to be ai2cwad. Hy otxly RoiAt i.a that if M M$8 ZDELL; Twati gotnj; to •hottfint this. Cindy said that aha went through the traascript as}ain last night. We think we daiated any duplications that we "do nnd it y+;~u bave any that.. we have miasazi, just taii at srsd I'll deicte itr FHY3,,L2S T. LV-4-1Sr C3R i JQAk7Fi s P3. H+3US'i'GNt CSR
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S 6 7 a > 10 21 12 1 13 14 IS 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 a"aition of Robe Cipoilone 7026 Mf.. PARRI54: Okay. A3y poi#zt- is that T think t,4e way to du it is qat to gay this is going to b12 rarad later on, Daacaase it vAy naa4 to ba dursi%natad twice. if iL's changad, that xay corract it. x think the way to do it iu to look at -Lt in the cant:xt of what bas just been read to the 3ury. &ineo ka* ra 9aiAg 1n this out of order prooa4x, I doh' t think it nscsusarily, tar coaplstsrjsxa, sakes tba[ much dift-eton.:a vaethar 3t's gc.ir*g to 3~$ retld later or nV.r. II tbirtk t.,e question is .rhsther it nsajs to L~e rsa:: ior ccmplatenaaa -- 10.z.sLi* rf xt dooMn' t make that diffarence, way don't wa read it ].ater? krhat afffi we 3oing here? Tnz Co:3aT# The t'irs: ahj+actxrsst aa3 X th.inx Mt. Wcil c4ncode-d it, thrtrt la no reason tQkr ar.ytbing to 40 toad twice ranZssu it `s in the dapv3ition twica. I' i.i r#esi w3.ta tueao s% tbey cw&* up. I daa't sss any prsjudIcs at $i; in ataanjing the order of this. I don't think it nec+tstsartly follows what has bodn rirsady read. So it there is no strong abjactiaa, Z' l2 psrait it to be rsad in the ord*r Xr, tid:ii has svggas ted. MR. PAPER2gSt 8ut yaQ will agree to read it later? MR. BDE:.4: Yeah. it op~~aara latcr at page dn and 25 49. 9AY"'Lz3 T. LE74w, CS:7 JOtLMUE id. T3aUSTONs CsR
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I _2 3 4 S 6 7 9 9 I* 11 12 13 L 34 is is 17 13 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I>arpC+Sition 04 Roua Cipoliono- 7427- HR. PJ.?RISH: t?kay, HR, EDZLt.: I£ th4re' a any dupi i4C-&t1on, let r.e know. HR. KEhRt4SYS I have a fltghtly diffsreat ob3oction but I can deal with it whta we gst to pages 4E3 or 43. t f fnd thts very cont'using# but it- wie in this area, pagaes 123 through i20„ that the questions were aoYei3 around wfthin that eontext ereatiag what I thought waa a s3ightiy -- rrxl~~ a cioar Ri.axmprcasion. And 1•l3 got to it wh+en we get to trat ssction vrera3n yo4`re a.tuaily going to rea;3 thede paslez 123r 24, tuat dea+3 witti the oldec sicCer sejsKinq aena the M~otlyer'S ceactioa to th3z:. +tisd thoft the g"oSt;ti:z ja, '4nan did Y" start7= ge'S• Pet'7zu;.t we c4rt d1tqale it aili$ Kt~*S if it ',i out of conte3Ct. 3'fi=s co,72ki 1a1 rSgnts (-he toi..iowicog takea p.taca in the pce-6ence oZ the ;ury.) KR. ZOELLt Page 30, line 25, 2523. 0 SQriAg the time from 1925. starting with when you roLaii wbea you w*re a very ilttle - very aasll child up nntil 1940s did.- you have i radio ia the homo? A Yets. ,2 During all that parYoi3 of time, do you recali? R Yes, vO g4t. the rad3o in 1931. PttYCtLI:3 "1,`r LWUS, C..~~~'. JURNraS N. H4J:=U, CsR
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r L 2 2 3 4 S $ 7 9 9 10 11 12 13 14 1s 16 17 is 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 DepvsitiQn of Roat Cipollone- ~ aid tho faai3y subacr Lbo to newspapers7 ~ my father siid, 0 Did Yau read -- A. Ttse 3ta3.ian papO:. Q T3is Ita3.fan papox? A ?os. Q Did ytw tead the paper duriuq thQ --• did ya4 irsad tbe 702a paper duriny that period af tirra? A YQs, T roa3 the papers. 0 Imlact waa- the n"e af tht paper? h Tf'~~ Progr aza*, ~ YQ4 ccn cant tnuo, A Th+s Itai.ian papar that caae to the 3souie tn4t poz,p3 bruu~33l t• 0 Yau read the pa;;,eL your fat :ar brvujizC iaLo the bQwa? A WhatQvcr pa;3aru he txrauyht inta lahe ba4e. Q Did ht briri~ akhe€ psetrs an a reju.:ar b4sia, otnGrs ch$n 11 P:ogreaso? A Yes. Q ttbit oChar Papar8? A !b o Dai.i y x*w4. Q Any others? A And tho Daily Hirror. Q Would Dc brinq those paper* cortain "caaions? in overyday or juat on P3aYL.LIS T. ZViSt C3R & .?ONNN3~ M. tfaU2:: H„ C&R
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I 3 4 5 6 7 9 9 10 li 13 14 2s 16 17 22 23 24 la PtPRSition.- oL AG,5a Cilviioner 7029 A Zreryday. Q About how old ticuid you say you wazQ rrhsrn yOu dtattsci raadsng thosa ~aia~ra? h Iwas quite y*ungl I wau:d say abaat &ewan, aid.. . Q Did ycw read the papars that ycu r+acali? A As mumh as- 3 cauld raado Q Did you tastus on any yartianlar sacti,vns in A voL reaily. •igAt ytars the p4pas? 0 Hw abuut the radio, va3 thera aparwicu:ac program yois woa:id i ika to 1 istan to? +1 Yo:x. ~ Could you La3.1 us rrhat tho3# wort? A Yaa, ' The Saadcw, Sus:k itogerar uaJaral oti3a:.. Zcan"It x0Caii them aii., 0 Dirl you have a teiavision in the homa da€inl t4is parrfod ~ noa p ftan did Ycv tsrst Aave a taltvision in the boaQ vhere you lived? A 1949. Q Na+r ab*ut a~agasfmaat vp until 19#0 did you aubarribs cv any msgas in4s, A I t2idn't suYia+:tlbtr Va dic3n't mtt"GCi:~a to u~~azms~~. i~ our bou2e k>ut I caaU magarinrs. MLL.IS T. LWIS, CSR h .7oth".d:+ts: s# « F?.'3i.'aTo?i ' tsaR
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 0 13 1S 3a 17 18 13 20 21 22 23 24 25 Vspvaitit+n ot Rv&q CiFQJJo;)s 7030 Q Any particrslar x+agaxines that ynU read? A hovie magaxj.-mea, True Stor yzaeiaxiaez, Whatevec Wo co4i3 get cr4r hscnas oai, a1L 0o94aiskes. Q Aov did tha situation change, if it did, after your fatbsr's s3sath, did pou costinue to gat psgsrs rsgulariy, nsvapapsrat A We bought the n+twepaper, Q h9sin, waS- tbat the tbra# you previously mentirenerd or just Ono? A Just tne Da'.ly Netirs. You're talking abuut iziaod.Lato;y aLtsr I;cy rat4a,* died, tLat period? ~ 0, Yes A RighL. "to;s Igot "resad? Q Yes, aP _Proxi"«ely A Wall, no. iUsed to travei to go to b"Sirisaa and iu3vd to biu}' the nsu0paji'r at the ststiotl amc: t.iyu m4gazineb. Q You wouid uSUak;.y raad fihs Daily bilrd.? A Yss; and t think the Tribune, Sometiasa buy the Journai* Q Againf vore there any particala.r seatioos that you folks read durtsq those ytairs? A i ussd to reacl the whole papsr„ Q And the eame thing on saqaafnse? A I r#ad evsrf mx~jauine icou.c3 lst zy banjo o.j. Iwa; an avi,r. "4a.iue ceuder. PUY,LLSa T. LINFSe C.~'rA i Jfl&::Np M. H:)UGTON, C3R P - --0
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I 3 5 i 7 a 9 10 11 12 14 15 16 17 i3 23 24 23 DepQaltion ot Rose Cfpolitrne 7031 I 1 0 Wou.id y04 aaay that you bad aconsecvativa up bicingir:3? "hat Iatan W thAt in vould you say your puranta were Utr fcc, A: Yas.:_ Q Roasr Yhat do you saan by *triot?- A Xayba thty were old fashionsd * itttl• bit. Q Would you uay tbat- your yarent$ wora old tasbtoned? A 8ar old fauhionac3.-- in vhat Vay? Q 14ay dvn't yua dedcci~le to ae Wtaat p0ur unjerstanJift; s of oic3 fush:oned, that yau cart daszxit~e yoa€ parants? A They tovk gock.d care of ua, they woaiZd t,* car,rful wnore we went. We just didn't lee+vo the hxze vithout ta1 ziFla where ve wont• I think thut'a r,l'3 fashionew, ai: tet• 0 Can you rec4ii whst::ec they were a4se utrtct than yo.ir fr iands °parO.:ts or viset.htr thtx wero iez.; str ict? D,.), you h«ve any feeli:zg crf that? A Not roa.ily. HA, EDa,:s Your HOcxOr, baginnin4 at sin# 16 on paye 36 throngh 1gAe 4g. 13 Q» patia 38 we boliwa thit twss is out oP rbronologtaal- order and app*ars latar ir the tuanacript. KR. tAARlSits TAafi's fiaar your Horfor. TUE C4UtIT& All right. N* objaotioa thcn. It tesumes at 4JS~: 21 in vhere va rsau-ius? HtR. E:LLLt qas, PHYLr,I3 T. C5R 4 J4mus. X. ifaFis-wI9, Cza
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1 2 3 4 5 i 7- e 9 10 11 12 1 13 14 is 10 17 la 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Depvsition of Roee Cipo3iOAo- 7032 Q THE COURTt Tbas3iG yoi3. 3ru. Ci.polloAep did tharM caz* a time whrn yo3 szacted to use make-up? A Q A Q A r? Yfs. Can you te32 as whea you started to uea sska-up7 I think I wae about 15 years old or slso4t 15. dd that's aroorA the 1940 period? lipptoxiaately. D:i you tuc:a.i 1 u&i nj aake-up p= ior :o tha: time,- i:r ij: o the A Q t ime ttaAL your father di ed? Ys u . WKat k.in:i of aaka-up +3az3 you uue? A Q ~i Q A Liyati+:+G. Anytain,g eise7 NOs what dia y4uc facher think of ycrur dcUny He didrr't rea:ciy sey anytt,lig. ska-uP? Q Did yswr mothac say anythiA4 to you about rtxur uuing mwke-up? I'a talking about when you firai etarted to use it. A I qttee3 aae ti;ae s.ht told ae to waah My faaae. Q Why did rhe tell you to wa.h your face? A i don't know why alto told ne to waah mmy face. Q You don't knsxw? A rro. PHYLLIS T. LEWIS. CSX & 5O&r4:41!& M. BOU15:U:i, C5i!
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D3position of Rd3e cipoilone 7033 1 2 3 4 5 S 7 8 D ]a 11 12 13 14 is 2s 17 la 19 20 21 32. 23 24 23 Q r~.4t you cantinQod to use make-up sven tho;zih Your eott:er tuid you to Wash yuur face on that one cx:ca4iQn7 A I don't think I Cont inaed to wearr too such make-up at that ago, just Ocoasiocu3ly. Q Did y©u, use nail polishT A I don't r.ca11. 4 Did . you use any eye 3iaer or rougo7 A f7o, re didn't have any in thase dayu« Q AnY t ~acaca2 A Na. MR* :D:LLs Yoar gonor, I tian~: maybe i:ria ji;ry 4Y1;,ulu knoV ve're aiao raAdin4 c3*f8ndarits' desiqr3aiticxns a1uo ctur in,i this. 3IL; Cti'3U&Ti A11 rxgat. TuO JI-Iry 4ho;t:.4 ur:-ieratand `L1ii 4. q: Juat to the jury will Ur.dorstarza tr.e P;~oce4:, t1cre, the Plsint:ffa' "ve su4zitted a ii4t 01 ex,;e.rptu of tho depoa#.tion thst tbey intenl t3d cOad to thrt datmndQnt-- and then the defsndants bavo the rightf and have taken adv&ntfiy;e a.f that riqht, to inc3iCat• what they think sho4.id be rtad l.n context aud that's the procedure that has boen folio+red. The onIy thing is that the Couct suling is on if there is scu** 3izaq.re*=*nt an to what ahoa?d b* road or WheZ it shouid be re4j. AR. ZDL~,Lt Thank You, your Hono: , PlfiYuLlS T. L£WIS, CSP. 4 JQANNE", P. SOU5;'ON, CS:R
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DepGsIt.ioA- flf_ h3s* Cigollorse 7034 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 a 10 11 12 14 15 tG 17 1$ 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Did you urs+e any sya liner or- rouga3 A No# ue t3idra°t have any in titosa s3ays. Q Any maaoard? A No.: Q Dtd- yout. aothSr wear make-up? A 1W.. Maybo Just a Yittls faca pow40r ocoa0iona,tly. q Alc3 your older sistar wear maka-ug? A gamrr as rsa * ~ Did stie uja Wake-ap prior to the tikl.?~ t-hat yoa st4ztz::: ilsIny EQa3G$"L1~,;J? A r tf.ink so. Q wh*;3 you moved from Averzua 0 to xan.latfian to 115;.h Strae:r waa that the ralatod to yb4r father doatb? A Yes, uir. ~} if~aat tyge of rczidcnce did you hsve at~ llk.4 SLrtcrc? A Brcawt113tone aau.sa. ~ Wa,% tnatL aa sirigie-f"i2y dwa:lin•„7 A Poi3r-fa4Yly. EXC3I*1't T44, it 11AS 6 ttt1-3`ai.;i.lX dV#71`siltgr tsn-#amily bcowAztone, p You lira4 in that house trom apprsxiawitsly aaLobtr of 1940 to ftbruary oP 1947. lis that corraceT A 7as, sir. Q Can you tail aa who lived with yoa wtrfie you were at 115th Straatt in Manhattan? A My mothar, two sistars anr3 my brottsar. 'FH`rCLL1 s a. LSWIS. CSR 4 JC3ARNZ A. CSrs
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oe?oaitloa vg Rout Cipallona 7035 1 0 tioulrl you da4criibv tns narighaorthoo-3 of i15th Street in 3 4 S 6 7 a 9 11 12 I 13 14 is 16 17 34 23 24 25 34a2aaLtan? A it.ssc3sntial. ~? W.rs there any tacturi.s in that araaT A Na factarias, Q Air pollution that you=rt aware o!T A non.. 0 What type aF boating systac yas used ixs tho housr? A Gtarts h&at. Q aid you know it the housa ras insulatej? A 34r air. ;; Yov dun't knKrv wh¢tt.nar it was inuulatt;i ar nat? A I don't. kaow. 9 Alter gaying the 1940 pctrxoi, I mssutao you an3 your szSaLers c©ntinued your interest in L:ovi.a anrl zoYie atar:.? A Yaj, K* dis3. After poppa dLed w* vere in saourning foc a ~r4a~.e y$ar. Xr 0otriet waa~ verj O.~d ~~~t:iS~~ ~;x~ u4 into b:ac'rk clotY,ing foc my fathaL and we wara nut allowed to att.nd tb+e soviaa for a whols year alter his ti.atb, Z xasn't allowed to play the piaa:,. This is bcrn rbe was.. You ask*ii me and I'a telling you. We ware in aiwrni,nq aAd v. wor* biack stocktnga ind black drasaas an:3 w* did not attend theatrs, .ov!-es a»j play the piano. it rraa a year of &Oura:ng.- So up UAt;ii 1941, 4ctnt~qr, we Jidn't att.nd aoyi.4 so we stuye;i homcs Iistened to the F#:Yt.LT..'~ T: LUW'I3, CSic 4, 3OA..~it-M H, ftW5i 1}i. C: R --W Cr1
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 4 13 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 D~Cpxrzitiaa of Rose c:ipollone - 7036 radfor we itad, things iiks that. W* c3idnit att*Ad t}:e mort ies. k Were yvu atf.ii abie to yert raavazines that y0j Aucntianad7 A YQa. That we wculd buy at the Aewsatand. Q Y0s conttnoard with the sacrap ba3kaT A More or less, not t" suah with the scrap baolcs any sore, L was 9ettinq o3der* Q When the pQriad ot aicmuraing ar4ed, I assQ" you started 4a.c)-L goisyj to tne mvvi.es? ta Yej. 0 Ar..3 conr3nue;a ysaur rs:~u'sac act,ivitioo? Q oo you recall after icaat Pez iad DC tscs kne mavit gtacz aj.s, 4ar itag in any eda? A 'eis.t thste w*rar taa Waz. boa:i5 and "sy were Catili aa&, c:xSsrette They ware the L0i zda - no, tihsry Ldoe nut latctr. Theae were tk:e Lucky Strikt a::n. I think thc: a Wax anOthag ad taat I rt+mtu~ber that came aut, a new aiysteLtes I tbiaic it was Pall Beii. I reaily Ceuigh at PbLl.ip Morris. 7Fuar4 vaa Little Jahrrny. ` Q x3a yau reze&b-er the stacs ap,pesrinq in any sdrrertining othoc than cigatette adytrtisinq? A z don't reraejabec, just the war boads, aiqarsttt ads for that per iad right after. Then the war started in 1941 and `42. t think thay statte3 with war bonds. P:1YLLiS T.. LZ4i:.", CSR & J4ANN1 9. fi°Ja°'"Z3:.,, C1Fi
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L 1 2 3 4 3 6 7 0 3 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 23 19 20 2 x 22 23 24 25 DVOoSitfon of luse Cipoiione 701'3 MR. ZDCLLs. Readial dauip[ration whiC4 a2j~adrs at i.s9a 13, T #aaiiavse. Is that okay? MR. PARRrSfl: Surt. 0 Can you.rsoall - Xa. EDELLt Saak- at Da9a 1#, 1 ise 312.. 23. Q Can you rscal l yau or your sisteru dfling anything dur in;; thLs i.erioc3 of tims othez tbn4 eiqarette aaoking that you to33 us aLaut. accaus* movie stars-- d.La7 A f4a sCili-wentt ta thm mrssrisar we started t>ac:x goi:ag to the moviou. p Ua,v about thxnva that t3xe avovtv star2s i3iJ in tho luovisz;f other t43irt aI;:ok1n^;? ;3id you aafa yoaC siifiti:rs try to eri.aaato ony W: 0044 tb lac;a? A Idvn'L• #cnow. Wo wc)uld fix ouc taair like x~ov3,u ata:6, vie staxtsd to axperzaant w:.th mat+a-u,a, 9 Do yos r#caal any at th* maJio statz sn3Qrair.4 an42 adv$rtising any particuiar typata 04' sakaup7 A There wtra rar.ious. I really aan't br ing out any psrtittular onQs, MR. EDELGt-- Saak to paqe 45. ,tine 47, 17, ~ No+a far did you go in hiqb ssboul? ~ It was the 11th or the eiddl.e of th* 12th. ireally don't racai i. 1 kqbw I hac3 so;ae stAie+r alasses when I istt. Q Aqproxiaata1y what would bava txan the date yQa loft. PWILLIS T. L-SWISr C:'Ift 4 JQANttr. N. HOUSr`3,`44 CS3t
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1 2 3 4 3 i 7 8 9 10 11 12 r 13 14 15 16 17 i: 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I DOPo4itf.oo of RQae Ci~illnr~~- '1036 A I rea3ly dan't rez*aber. I thint it sras 1942. Q Saat to your ya4ra in bigh achool, rsre- therar any particuiar $ociol lra+tlWa wbic3.h: you b.ard in high gchovi2 A No, ai c. Q X* group that you spont your_ free tiawt with? A The qier Club, Q Aay okher estracuacricular activities in high school? A Nor IGiir. Q oEd you perLicipato in ap4rt3 at ail? A SQi40ra, Q Did you juot taxe a gcntral coursa at atu.3y in htg+' s3chQ03? A CO+nrxtri:xall coarsc. ;3 Di3 you tiavo couraaa on haa:.t4 when you were in h,iyia a,:iscoli, junior nigh ochcol7 A NormaI, coareses&. Q When did yau firat Start $wc?klng? MR. XMbWs Caa we baQe a aldebar on tbia? (The to3terring takea piase at sidebar, ? ltR. KNARNBXj This is the section rher: Mr. 8,3ej.3 iqterrpoaaa or caAnyea the ordar of quaatiotsat putting the question on 125 ahead of the questiona on 123 assd 24. Zhave here the way the acrwa;, tranacript rea=.is and you: Hnnor caa take a look s.t. it with so-ci butt wnat Mr. Eaail ]PHYi.TvI.~`i T. LE-Var Caa .1OANN.-~.. M. HOUST'}:d, G'sFi m
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1 2 3 S 6 7 a S 10 11 32 13 14 IJ 16 :, 7 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 De.403ftion oL' Rose Ci,0aiioAd 7U3~ pruposso to resd on 125 is a question, •when +iid yoa - tirart start asuokinq?* Thsri b+r goes back to 121, Wis,icct was actua.tly a queat,ian t"t va4 asked bofore the 125 qusffit#,on and in time ocaurred a+efors Rrso Clpollona startedd gmokinq. *Did aithar• of your sistecs ar brother start aaoking Wfore you did?* And ghe "ys. *Ml+ older sister+" It bacoass ispQrtaat on page 124: Z tbi".- xbars wa'rs tslkiaq *.bocat the sttitudes of tbe Mathsr azt8 w4at she said awut the aidrrr sistsr saakia} :,efare 7,:a. Cipoi:ont atartcr3 to sgr3te. a wcoid simpiy propose t.haL tn4s* be ro*d 1n tAo 4rdur, pago 12A~, 24 an-J 25, the way thi7y wsre ta4an 4f the doooss.trion antl I think more a:cuc.ate3y tUat urder. H5. WALTZStSs :.oL ms ju4C say roaethinv. xr4. y+la0' 1vne haz: Alrssdy tcsrifiol.-A' in t:ae depodUi-Ja tr3att- her xat-aer d:ed in lay3r tnat het4re l~)40r ncibojy ever ta1kQ6 a:aout- szs++iu5e bai aunta,t her riatsrs hor autiici or bsr fsther. ao by putting this first, you'rs futuring a tise tramtr 3942. Aar sister boqin smoking befors bsr and duriny thia timt Period, wtsich bas qott to be 2910 to '42. TAis ia rhsn all this discussion went on. It rss after her tataer'U d*zth, clearly. Idbn`t tblnk it putu it out of ordrrr. I tbink #.f you p4t thxc bahinc3 it., the jury haa o4 idea what tise Pi~Y:.LIS T. LB;WI., CSIR JD.:`t'J; m. 8o:3sntd, C5R
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I I 3 4 5 6 7 a 9 10 11 12 1 13 14 Depos4LAQn ut Ro4e CtpolJesne T24Z pnrrio;l youtre taikicg about. That's why we .,a.°a, '+lben did yOu xtart smOkin~j, • thon shs s3ys har sistsr- ba;4n amoksnq before bar rrnd taa time pario3 iuobvicousiy tp21oru 1342t but it's in th+e tinwr frao+r. KR. pARA1SUr This sa oxactiy why it's aproblea t4king this stuff out of order, 3*csuae Ms. Waiters lcnowc very veli that Krs. Cipollone's brother and Mrs. Cipa3..ione'a sS.ster both said thure w.s diacuazichn aboat ssakfag b+tfQre Rf~Ijc C3po3iana atarta; 'zt2QXir:q. THIS C-00ATs hrW%k1y, 140s veCZ 1st,tk* 3ifierenLa bekweer: tbe two and, in vtew Uf tho a41ec;icr:,s 1's1 raquire tUat th4 123. 124 and I21 17* raaa in seveace. IL's jus; a qQsatfan oi z"aatitutiu,4 ttiose twL) yjaqcu an3 cahangiag the orda:. k'iS. ldA,'..^Er'~.. s Okay. MR, KMARriSY: 1f you want to us* th.iz: yo-j can. ("I'.qe fx3liovittg ta1:e~I' piai:e it3 t:3e3 pC6*v"*#iv* Of L!TY jury.) KR. W$i.3.f page O, line t23P 22. 24 25 Q oid either of your sLsters or brothecs statt sawkinq betort ycu'did? A my etder sister. Q Di3 she smok* regularly? A You, sire Q Did she ever offer yos cigaretteu? r6.~~iJ7.JaS ii 3M'~.P(Ji5r C.T% iii.7AN11F'w Aa €iidJS`i:3::, CSi:-
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I 2 # 5 6 T 5 9 10 1L 12 P 13 14 1`a 2ic 23 24 25 :?epbsttiob 4f Roba Cipol3one 76di- A 0 Did she ever arxprese en ettituaar towmrd your amo4iaq? Ai U04 Q Atounc3 this perio3 of tine di4 y*ur mother ever eacpress wo attitude' tcwesds YGQ roakiAgT A Soti. She didn't vant se to smofc*. Q ibo didn' C vewt pos to smoke? A Sbat te right. ~; O:d Ahtt teii YoU wb}• eae di3n`t arant you to ezo:*? A Stao said it waan't n1cew Q Anything elso? A Thst w4r3 it. 84rr juat didn't think it +raz 1*:3r:1ke. shirw d1dn't like my giuter to 840ke aat4dr. l4R* ri)LyLLt 3aok at page 47. 1.ine 125,7. Q w:lan did you fizst start aewkinj? A Wiaen I wes •bwt sixteen. ~ Taat would . bavo been apprsaxiaiateiy 1942. iz that ootraot? A Iguerts IWe3 in biqh scbofl3, I wae in biqb school Chen.. MR. tDSLLs tieAt ae to read tin go9r beginniAg page 3b, Kr, lartieb? HA. P14RRISF1s Yea,r please. lriR. 5UM.L: Line 16. What was your mother' a reactiaa w.5en your siatarrz PHYLItZS $. L£WIS, Ctji. JOMLIM iss r"7..=sQs+:1 CJd
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3 6 7 s 9 10 11 12 14 is 3C 17 13 23 24 25 , a090*1tioa of AQse Cipa1lvne startwJ amokingi A I dori't raaa-nL)vr. Q Mes. CIP011onQ t,eil css aooext yaitr fitst h I don"t r+~~e~b~rr. Q You duA°t rtcalt? A Mo. Q 00 you recall vbOn tbat vas? cigarctto? A t~o. ;~ 1. ara asking yoa 4ooat ycaur g i s4t c.*-'q.nr4tt+r. A I told you I didn' t rer;w.-.e"t. a Did you buy that fir.t obqar¢tLa? A I don't rtmambes z Q SaaaboJy gtve that firz~. cigai,ttte to you? A. I dori't rc*ex;wr. ~ Dfd y0u aitually Ii;j.it the C1igar+$ttv? ~ I dran't re:aum#x.te. ~ Wars any+ano el4v tnere at thic time th4t rou firaL cigaYetto? A I d4c't sswt=bar, 7042 E'iiaL'+xctd Li.i a 0 Did yoo in~nia and drav tho smoke into your lmaqs tbat #irst oigaretta? d-, I dozk; t r"asber. with 0 Do you rtmambar co+sghing during the smoicing of the first Cigsratta? A I c3-os's.' t ra"rztet'. ?Uix.LIS T. L,rUTS, CSX .Tt3A.{Rr.^. M. ROt3ST(x-a, C::iR
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I 2 3 4 5 i 7 i z 13 14 1s 16 17 18 19 28 21 22 23 24 25 D c~a~~aion- 09 ROD+c C4pollone 7043 0 Do y" toca1l whether it "do y3-s sick in acly fsohion? A I don't rcAo=~aars Q Do yos recAi1 +rhst yoor rss :t.i+an waa afta: you ramoked your. ltrat cigarattie? A I don't. ram*mbar, Q Do ycnt ra"l1 im"Jiata3.y liktaj th• sensa•tion of soaking mfter the tirat cigaratta7 A I dort't rameAbar. 0 Do yQU fsca.ii cout,h:nt; at si.: du: in3 tho gir"tt c.tqarettc •.- f#.rst f+ew siraratt*a? A, I il4iiitt F6z*=1'ar! 0 You don't spocdfxca.2y whet.hrr; you srjoy0:i it 4t £1[st7 A I r#an ` t r oosuber-. Q bat ycs4 cuntinued ta sr::okv. Is ti:at cor re;;O A Y@u. X<a. EDE;,Lt TLe rmzt oi your dc:4igavatinn wiil r*ad at I believs it'a al.rsady at P44a S`O, .1r,. Farri~ihr MA. SOELE.: Paqa 49, r 8eliiYt. Q Do you reaall- Yh.n your mother f irst asw you ssak.3 A Oh, no. I don't ra"aburr. p•Whwn would you saoks at hoze, at what point dur iag ths day? A I don' #: r emtmire r , Q You don't rome:aber? P-MrLLzS T. LEUIs, cWSR k J.'3Ar3:2E M.- iKIUST'J;f f C5:?
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1 2 a 4 S 6 a 9 IQ I De?Qzitlon of KQze Cipollona ` ?044 A No. Q when you first starte.i smokinq sz- hom-a, wsui;3 you saaots ciyartrtte4 befo;e braakfazt? A Idon't think so, oo,e Q W'uan mrruid you havi smoic*d -+forry -- when would you have your f irst Qiqarett+t? A wbat period7 Q During the tim$ tihaa you Pirst started to work attez you i*fL A I C3io"a't temaQL+Jrs 0 Dis yo+as mr+ther actuaIiy sae you amokina? 15 16 17 xa Is 20 21 22 23 24 25 A Woen7 ~ FroQ tas "Ae vhCr1 yOu GitakztQJ "-okin4 unt::. yOJ iOi't har ttawwiia in 1947. A Ys;.. ~ 6!-i0 satv you sa0king7 ~ You szoksd . In the bosGOY A yas.-, 0 You rrere deterzised to rmakS sveA tbough your aothsr thought tbat it rss s.niadyl ikt? A I continned to sumolca. 4 Did your aother tell you to stop smoking? A Sha didnst llk+a it,. 0 Did the speoifisaily teti y4a tyatt you ah4u2st stop PUYLLM T. bV.IIZr CSR 3Or`inx: M. 8s3U.f'i3v0 ~~:, i
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1 3 # 5 6 4 9 1s 115 17 19 23 24 25 Depvsition at. Rosa Cipoiione 7345 A I don't r+raember. Q Do you reca2l rae=e ttr:ers vatt asht.raya irt tz* aoQue? A wa had ashtxays I btlieve.. q Did yo* kav• att ar.hCray in ywr badrooa? A i nsvar smoked fa my badrp ams 0 Wben you had your 3traltb classes in high scbool I th3nk yva *aid you took tbe roic®ai alaassas? Q o1d she say anythic;; about azaokir'.g? A Not thar I reca1S. 0 Did you, in yos: phys:c&,3 s.Wcatiort c,a-;;3az, di.d the coac:he4 or anyoria ekao - aorry - o: artyane say er.ytuirag about mokittV? e3 Vor noL that I reiaeLkiper. Q £ioW d%d y0a cu.%e ..~ coma aLOUL azartfng to 64cska? A w+S2iy I ased to see a;:a, I vaeJ to cut ourt pWturo4 ot peopie srra0kirag. aused to $o to tho moviss and irY tha aotti.errs there vau saoke. L thouOt that it was cool as you would call 3t t&3ay to saoke and grown up, and I ras qoin,g to bo giamorous or baautifvl. I really thought it ras really fa.ntastic to ssrok*. 0 You usad to cut out ad2? A t3uce4 Wa used to see siovie stars and we vseJ to cut tueu; out crt pagazSr.aea and r,+a ue+rd to baq the sagazibas- oft PilYLL.tS .. LzIxs, Ca?t JOAM F'r. ROU-'YJl#= CS1-k
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DOPOgiC.iOn of 1*34 Ciputlano - '7046 thu junk Ma:i. Q Wt:en you aay "we, "' wha do you adan? 3 6 7 a 10 11 12 f 13 14 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A Ae,, my sf ster &. Q Did your ather stister start to asoke? A Yaa. • Q About k.be same time you did? ~ ~s lakar. Q Now rt%out your brotber? A Y*Q« Q Wt.eu did tar skst#: to a11.10ke? ~ I d4a't knv.;, i rQAliy s3on't. Q W"an you ztarted vsra you bug'in,a YQU: nwn ciyasattas or did you Dorrov them froza fciandaT A t tiaa buy ing my ovn. Q y4u we r e Luy i nq yGu: Owt;? A Y01%, Q Oid you st-ark out with az Particular brar4d ar switch arQut3J-7 A WaII, I stArttd to s*uke Cbftsker9ield, Q So tha.t was really the only eigar+ttt* you sm*ked in 1943? A Juat about in the belliantAg rb*n I started to saokeg, ys3. Q Did you have any diffiuuley qetting Cr%*&tox1ia1d? A NO. I use;3 to btty thez by the piecet P13YLF,1S T. LC=lIa, CSit i JO1~.~iNZ X. HO0Z: t3N, CSR
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Depociti,rsn- vf Ao4e Cipo33cne 7047 r~ Dy the P10c*? 2 3 t 5 b 7 a 9 IU 11 12 1.1 15 1G 21 22 23 24 2$ A A chat tn right. By the package? No. By the csigarette. Q You bouybt tbtm by the cigarstte? A Yls.. Q When you started, ho+ mamy a day would yaa waok+e, rwu.id you_ bo nuok ing? A W*111 1 usQd to bUY awynQ iikO two ar thzeo beZoFe 1 went- ta Ach.0,7i at the cornvr zandy Storei e4 T2at V0uid 3ae vLat yQu srouid juAake in L•ha day? A fihakt'W- it. Yes,- Tao cr rhrge. He uiJWt bave z4:h tAt3afir tRC7#ia daya, Q Waa. :t 4 tiit+3r? A N{J ft'i'G6t`a on ~.'h"tartia:d. Q Fr:R-a the time that you firat atartwd aaQXinV, you vctuld *,Uy a ooapia af eis}arettes £r" t4a i"ai candy atuze, i:4 tAAt correct? A Corrtct. Q When Ud yvu sook* thass cigarettes3 A IA schaol. Q I tbougbt yau teatifiad tbat- you wore ssaoke wbile yau wsra fn scbool? not permites~4 to A af course rsat. Wu usm3 to go to tho lac3ie* rooar to the qi.ia rcvb and amoke. PHYLLSS ^s. LWs"ar t:~.~iR JOrloM. S. RViiV(3'i!r ti.ER
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i 2 3 4 5 b 7 a 9 10 21 12 1 14 15 isJ 17 le 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 t}apozftioft of Itoat Cipulione ?043 0 Taat'a where yau eaokad i.rt tho iaJisS ro0:a? .& Yi'}3'r. 0 Taiking ahast the perio:: of time from the ti" tnat you Xtarted =aaoking tilt the tise that you left school. Did yua asoke alt- raf your oisaret,tos f.m school? A Yos, I bsli+tve so.- Q Now did you happra to smake Cbestorfield? A I t?touqLt it vaa galmcrrfluu, I usrod to sat tha acls of thoae prett3' 9lrlz an3 VAovIV 8tare. AsW J;~-e;~ to 40 to i:r.a oandy store ola the corusr an3 uee;i to see tne a3u. Taough't it was i.adyiike. riid Ar. We,iil show youu pi.Ctuxss af taose ada? A a tiaw GoFSe, a Did yau rsca1l thonoa ado? M.'ir iu0iiilLlt iiitte ic a atatv"ni. Yy in&s Mt' aEdoli i.. Tel.l 22it3 H31&L yo9i reV.k$+icft~'3? A What I Va4 %ivarx Was a foldet vitil sdverltiseaentA tro4 saagavista, coee.aroial. AdvartistueAta far aigarettes coawroia3.s. They rantsd a* to review tbesa to see if 1' r+ezorobered any of thez and if I r*coquiaed s*me of tbez. That is what iwas given aad that ia what the docusants 9iet q. Q i'oe did use Lhk;a to rePt*aty yOul ceco;Liection? A Yreat I did. paYLL3.S T. L£'a4Y3f CSR & .7QA.:a. R. IIC3i33T;3.;, CS:+t
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x 2 3 4 5 4 7 a 9 10 11 12 14 Is IG 17 10 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 00positivri of Robe CipoIioneT449 3 Can you tieli we as bect as yuu can vtar.t ada - wiaf sa~ that you saw tbst .lead you to stactc saoicinj? A I remeztaeK there was aprertty Virlf with aba.zutfful big hat and sSe had abelt, That one I will never torg.it because it was in the candy store whero we used to go an tue corner. Nort ct less that was the type oE ade tbat we sav in those dayss Q Do you reca13 apytbiuq that tbM ads eaid? R Taey were la:id.= Q mythlrsg eIse7 A Not zeai.iy. i dori't rowai 3.. 0 .3, really, you sak attraetive people in t:1o$e a43? A Ye::. Q And you aanwed to be like tbea? A We Wantej to isitate. I dafiniteiy did. i&Z speakir.g f4k Myroel.l. 0 Mrten you woulrd gq to the aovies, yraa would sea mo;rie atara +amoking? A Z tbuught I wou3.d be Joan Crawford or Satty Davis, Q And tbene were in the sovies? A And in the picCurra we used to cut o4tt.. There tised to be this junk maa around the corner and wa use3 to buN sagazines +off them antJ cut r,+sti the pictur4a. I did and I kept a coiloction,~ 0 YQa cAn't recaii anytfzirsg eise aaout thoss ac3w other 7PHYLLIS T. LC'i5* CSR .T©ANNE Mr MO:3t„i3`ON, Cs2i
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2 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 1s 23 24 2S aoPaSitiQn of Rose Cipo,llone 7050 than that they safd wilzi? A W6ix, mild. Not reaAl.y. I raa'sly dan' t recali tc.o ascn. I will ba banest wxth you: .:herer wtra a 10. of ads. Tbor* were Old C0id. ads. Lr,taicy Striht ads. i rr"absr- th-a Kit Paradeg Thay used to havQ tba Lueky Strike iiit Parads, ones of the bigg.at things in mp life tA 193g. Q 8ut yo+s didn't smoks Lucky Strikes? A Uo, I thoayht they wQra for asfl.. Q You Zeit t4at ChaatarLial3s were miisS and there were pi.otures oZ pretty gfr3xc A And they wetcr for i4disa, Ya.i. 0 You -wntiaaed you r"a,:l particaiar~y an a;: con:vrntrsg 'Cheatartivida with a Protty gLr3l wiLn a Aiy hat.- Ie thdr.L one oi the aAs mr. Sdell 44ovec3 you to ratraut~ yoas recoll"tion7 A No, +s: r . 0 Do you r+t*&.a:~er any other pacticular Cnesta:gisld 416? A Wrali: there varo a lot of the;a but I don't particularly r.aaaber any particraiar ones except pzatty girls znd mavia staro. Joan ctawford, Q tias Joaa Crawrford in an ad or tias Joan Crawford in an ad irsok ing? A She was in a awl.a magagine. 0 Khat zs it an ad or a story? A It wAU an ad. PHfLLIS T. L~'r3IS fWR 4 JOA:INS SS. SOJ'Ss ONr C3R
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Depoaitxon of R080 CipraiionR 70;1 1 2 3 4 5 s 7 a a 10 11 12 P 13 14 15 161 17 1s 19 20 22 22 23 24 25 0 aid yo4 aver cut out any pictures of raovia starz frQ,3 atnrxar: abmut the;i~? A Yasc. Q no you cut out picturas of awia stars whatiier they in cigaratt-es ada or not? A Rlgbt.- ~ 00 you ra"11 any U*aaayV in Maatarf ieid ado otbft th4nv cigarettes being mi1d? A : rton't raz=Lcr, ;? Anc: that iz dutinY r.s4 Oraite PtciOJ a" Lit-v y0j wert sa,o~..tr,q Che3ter3:xalu't ~. i tbirtk it wds Ju::t cLezterfiQla. :~ SJrry? ti Juvt CixeaLe:fisiu, ~ Y0a don'r reaemt~ar any Othox aru-5age? ~. tt0, I don't ra~:ezbtr, ~ S* YtiLi w0t0 44C)aiing two ot three cigatettt@5 a c3i3j' d;.irln') approxir.ataiy rrhat ;.04-rloi of tiat? A 2 don't ssca.11 becausa I qraduattc# to mora cigarctte:~;. Q 8orry? X I grsduatad to mora cigarattao-a so I don't rtadraibar rUaA I ntartec~. Q Waa that a gradua3 thiny7 A Ya s . Q 13ow 2onq wou1cl rt hava bsen to the taeat 01 your P:3YLL7:a T. LE;tla: CS: (A JOANNL M. WO:5TONO CSR
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DOPOSition. Of Rod# Cipallona-, ?052 1 3 4 S 6 7 a 1.4 11 12 13 li as 16 17 19 23 34 2S recvliectionr before you atou3d hstve gotten ap to a~s oany ea five or UIx cigarettEs a day? A I tis#.nk Twas Ut~ to apack a day by the Lime it. Yas ttt end a$ the year in 1943. 0 8o by the tad of 1943# you bacd boan aaoking ebout a pa, k . a day? A Ure.- Q wete you buying t&em by tht pact at that t ime or were yau stii3 buying thea by the psoee? A Ay the pack.- Q 14han you -•- rhen were you uta,rt:ng to, to the aast of your rocafiectIcan, bQying the.a by the pack? A I tbi.ak atter I Iaft sax3aol. Q Has thare sa-la Particuiar reasoa why yaa jz.dn`t Coa.;;ieLt niqn achool? A You. Q Was it a Pergcna+ taaacri? were you .iaav.n-~ f;.)C amp1 oy:.uat? A We we r e poor , p You 3att to obtain eAployaoat? A Ylrtj eit. Q Xfter the death af your fatber dssd your rathat aa=enMe wor kinq? A At home. Cb ~ What typ~b ot , work did she do? ~~ ~ ~ PHYLLIi. T. L`rS. CER t~ ~3f3~t~ H. Pau=r"O CS'sX ~
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I 2 3 5 4 7 s 9 13 13 12 / 13 14 is 36 17 ia 39 20 21 22 23 24 Dopaiition of #oue Cipo:loma A Bhe nse3 to saw si ip strArS.. Q waa sho at;'se to. work dur iny .... i az aor ry -- was a:zo a.ri.ie to work doiwg that type,nf work untii initial atcckma 70SI t.;'1* tit38 of heL 0 Did yowtr aLster, Do.nenS.cio start- WOrXing iMM~diiteiy aftrc Your tathar's death? 0 Wavre 3:d sio vurk7 A she atoiked tcr a L•atskio csut it rra3 ;egaL.- Q Who ra:a ttle ta"ic? A 1:ion:t ichow. it- wca an cr-;ani.zatxcn th.3t they uau:e t3 Aire yrjun~i wuAan to ansvSr the telephuri€c vhen p*op1t c&i.:t:i tv knuw vh&t horraQs caxia* in at ti3c ttac~;. ~ Did uhcr work for the baok;.c. up till V-4? t:ot you l.ivwa bw4e7 A I tt3ink it vas her first po:ativn after Buxiz ai*:i an3 thAt va4 a v*ry shart` whiie that ahe varkel.i. tberg. Q Kher* did she qv aftar that rort7 A She fouasd a position rit.h a hosiery c©aaany. 4 Did your ststor ibss.iaiaa start wcrtiny after youY #alrhar's death? A No. 0 otl& dlsi not vork, dur inq tilt perioj of tiae that. YQU 25 1 lived in the h=* up urttii. 1947? k PH'1LI,1S 't. LLt4ZS, CZR JOA:IIi3 4, W, UST0:4 CM
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Depoattl8ct of 3i049 Cipe+lidne 7054 A I have to tnink becausc she waa yti-unger thall =e 44 aae I L. 5 6 7 0 3 14 Is 16 21 22 23 24 25 wef`M to f.Wa'H4f.1 F Q Take yvur time, A I thi.nx her litst job vea when a.he qtaduated sad I don't rausember tite ysar a 8he went to rcrlc fnr Angtlo' aReataurarct in dorrntawn Nav ltorlt. 0 Wnat wae tbo type bf work ~l Ba~skkeeFit~q.. ~ waa that tara type csf work ahe did there? ai3e vas do#.ny up unLil t?:e time }*ou iaft the ho"? A 346 lcs:t the jor to atay ho:aa 6.14 take ca: e o4 ar Q3tbat who was an i.nval3d. Q Sa sha Moa3J have teft thv job in 1947 at the rinr: yau.: Mothtr haJ 4or stroka? At Approximatetyr -,) Did yout brothor TharAs start workinri after yuiir iathcr aied during any of the tine periQ:3 vh:le you woro 4t.ili living in the ho4a? A Yoa, Q What ve:e the aaturie of bis work? A Ke33., I was a little boy and he n.ed to carry pacicage , for woften #n Ghe grocery •torse. 0 Any other empaoyment that you recai3 during the ti»a you 3,ived i.n the hozo? A No. UO went to ss:hoo2. P'S'1LLIS ?. LE:II: , CSR i JQANtiE' H. nM*J9, CDI;
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3 3 5 i 7 a 9 11 12 13 14 is 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Dcpogition or Rost Cipollone t~ Dir3 you obtain Qmployr-sAt? A 1''4! si St i r. ~ whsce? A 5 & 1D • - 0 Approziaately bow juug did you have, that job? A A Ut' WAtkks. Q What job did you take a!x#'t A Ib*itvvt= I worked for Gltaader. What ti-se of b:tuinass& was that? ~ Scarl dlxtri.wtlny bouao. Wizat type ui work did you M-0 fL! : taa/i-l? A I puk scarvsz in bQxcz for dapartm@nt stores. 0 Now 1u:1g 3id y" have tnat ,~ot~? A A i'aer montl~~s, 0 Do y04 rsc;.Al1 your Suparwis;;r? A Nat I dea' t. 0 Any rearticui,ar frter:a;ia at that job? A My a3.ator ++crk*J in tho off2ce> ~ Which sister xas that? 1~ Do~onica, 0 ftat was your nsxz oapioyatnt3 A X believe I workacl for the weY York 1+bilAsrsonic. Q Now lo,ng did you have that job? h I ainlt. reca1.L. 0 What was this typer of work that you did for tl:o P=4I9 T. LBVt13f W~`. & JOANNE H. BOUa a 7N, C:iR 7055
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I 2 4 5 6 7 a 1* Z3 12 p 13 14 as 16 17 is 29 20 21 22 23 24 2S 0epoUtiq4 99 R,ogo CIpQ13044 Mi Pl~zli,nr~c~r~;a7 A '.-%cretar.ial work. 0 Haci yos txasl any training after you icaft h1y4 ac:.oo2s any foxnal traiaing7 A Na, s11y ray tr.*i.aiog came t`rom high eohool. Q Where would you bawe gone next7 A I vaat to Lngta Pry. Q Caua You tell Me the Aature of that joD2 A I was a4iiiing ciarlx, ~ A~proxizately how ioAc~ Vera you therery A Ucti2 1946. A C}tl# no. It wax tila 1247, unrli I jrrt "srr:.*.ia Q Jntii you were married? A Yoa. Q, Did you VY*r" hatrre arty prubism %n yett-Mg diun'~ oa y4ar j0~)5 rvith supecrinar or co-oapioyev*? PfF;. EDELLt I 4elirave we rea3 thig proaipur-1 y. Is that coresct? NR. PARRISHa What page. MR. EDEyLt Paye C7# lioe 214. 2. R&. P&IFtISUs I thoughc it Maa raad "fora. MR. lCEARNE`f t Ye s f you did. THE COI7RTi Ithirtk yw roa+l thrcrssgh 2 i5, 1rat my z*aory Is tight. PHYLLI3 T. LL-.iTS, CZR &. Jomwa ?'I . no',t s''i'on, C.'.,a
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I . 2 3 4 5 6 7 a 9 10 11 12 / 13 24 23 24 2S I De'ROGltIon Qf ROZ4 Cipotlane 7057 AR. M e::L t I brr.l iavs sc,, your flono: . Pic4 it up ar 221, 2, page 68. 0 ANout What ayrs were you tbsn? A I aust b"sa baeA about 13. Q Wouirl= that bavt been iroursJ the tiae when yoa rsro startiug to suairs7 A I had started to arok* befors that. t} Do you st.tl l dr ink7 A Very rare.iy, j1at socially. Q Do you bava afavorit$ type or hrana vf a:cobul that you Lii~a to drLnk7 1~ I 1ike Hsrvoy°s SriatQ.k Crea4~, Q Do you r*calkany a;lvartiuing rs.iatin,3 to Rarvey •s bri&tol CY4pa-"z? A Ti~u fi,V,, tstevlsi.on. Q Cars y0a tell me a.aything about tbo:.e adu? A Glsaoraus garl, she af.ts on in sbeautifus couc4 an:X isr,'t it a ahsme not to invite aaan up for A drink and shs ia besuti#'ul. 3.+et mt tall you. and siae a3Yayrs sxya how can sas afford that fancy agsrtasat. Tbart I rrmembsr. Q About vbat time did you start driRking Rssrray°s Bristai Cr#aa? h I don't rsss=b*c. Y am sorry. Q C:art you =aeall tbe time period wben you would have asen thdma• wds? hHYt.LiS T. LEW-T.Sr C.SR : JOVINw H. f3oi3s:'oli, CS1.:t
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f 1. 1 2 3 3 6 7 a 9 10 lI 12 13 14 ts 16 17 is 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Depoeition of Rout Cipollone Use +~ W8lit iiii'r;+30 t3f Lhom are ctirrent. Q wuat about whsn you wmr$ say 10 and y0u had your inttial drf:A of a KanhattanP A liaYt* I raa youngar tbaa tiiat,~. 3tayba I ras 17. I aA trying to reflect and qiv* you a straight aa ansvirr as I aan,~ . Kayb{a Xwa$ 17 Wben I 11ot sick on that Xanhattan, 0 After rhat did you **ntiaue right away to hara a drink 0c0asionAl3.y? A ros,r bit very aarefu3iy. Pur &whiia I cauWn't rye.i 64013 xt. I rroul6i get sick, ~ Wt3at type and brand wara you drsnkinj due.ing t.4at j.~grioS QE time? A I neve: hai a 4ratad. Y w"Ad say 3ika if Iwant outr I tiou:d hav4 a Run and Coca-w3a, rhai3j~sqaa eer-ftttai3., anych.ing chat laakec3 fanci+. I would aaY I wrro a sWISi drinker, not si3r3.nker pez ao 1ike I naver caa,.iy qot into drinkiny a 3ot. Q It you were qotng out to dinoer A I Aerar stayed home and dranic. I dustsd the bottles but I don't open the bottle and hava a drimk. Q Wa at• really ta3.kiug about the tirae ptriod bara Datwg*n 1940 anc3 1947 rtsta you wsrt mASarri.d. A so. EEow mtoh I did drink iu 19f7. very littla. When 3 +ran 17t 18, lixe you aaids= My hust+a.nd, wa wouIdd go aut, wa would 3ave a oocttail, have rdr ink. PHY""E.l6 a, LSilIzi, CSH & aGANNI-1 m. $ou=puo CsFi
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Depajitlon ak Rwit ~iPoilo1¢ 't~~~ I 3 4 5 6 7 $ .4 10 11 13 14 33 16 23 24 25 MR. COUT.t 'Pilif at page 91. MR. PAARI'sa3 Okay. [4r. Parri,sh,, aPp*arz MR. ZDZLLs bac1[ upr Pajtv 72. Q Bwr did you happtn to most youtr buabaad? A I1art bia at. •fsaat, at a- f.utirai. Q A flstiiYitl? YlS. ApproXimate1y when? A Zn 1946, Q SO th4 whOie fami1f ifvad together untii. 8ebruarr ot 1947 Ynea you leffi. tw got anarria37 A 7F+bs, sit. Q. Aftor You got mAcriel-01 ciLd you continve to work? A Not air. Q Wss triaca any chat74a after yaj mxtti*J7 A I bad mare roapansitsiYtty. I waa a bougewi.Q.-. I ht,kll a ttoma to run. my Wabarad liked to siog and rrhan +ru reni to ay nothsr'a* I played tbt piano and we sang toqetbar, Thea I had a baby. I 4ad nota raaponsi3aiiity and 1•ti3t took f3at• i?f my iiCk mothot. Q gut you atili did the aams tbing in the ilisura ti.aa that you -- A Y iia:.. You atili+ continuad t* raad2 AHYL.L3S T. .LEWI ;r CS.1 6 JVa7ijaYi.r Kr SiVU;JT.i<r, {.SR
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i 2 3 4 S i 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 xs iS 17 18 is 20 DepoaSt1dn Of Rdg* Cipoi3ona... 7060 A 3Cctaf =ra s*r 0 graz 1047 to 1950 youiivib.1 at Eaut 105th Srcrsat, mnhattan, is thvtt corrsct7 A Yest $l t. Q What typ+r oI dvelltnq vao tlAt? A ftesiderntfai. Zt vaa a lirgt buildiaq.. Q Hats it an apsrtaene that yau 3iva4 in? A Y.a, pir. 3 aiJ enyona lisre rrit4 yoa st that addrea:; other than yo4x buspand? A Jus#t o}+ huacraac: ar3d then Zqi;va tsitta to ay dasghter. 0 wkat Mas that-daughter'A nazst A Xaria, Q Can you teii ses the date anJ i.aaation of har blrtht A Sh$ '1l44 b4,:irn OC£ObOf 2165, 1947. Q Rore tlaara any p4rtiruiar ha:)ats duriny that perioU uf tica that you tr io3 t¢ Cnan9a? A Wh$t psriod of tf44 fs tc :is again? Q This is the period from 1947, ths tinRt of your marriag: up uatil the time you asvtd to Litti. ttrry,- *w JtrsEy. A 1 didn't Dit* my nAiis, I trit4 to givt vp snokiag vher+ I beaamm proOrunt the firat tiae a*A tMt is abaat it. Q L*t us go O+c^k to tht tiam rrbon you a+arri*3- your hu sbandr 23 1 When you aarried your &ambans3; aas he ravtLng? & a7OARNR M. H'JilS'I`v.:S CSR pHYLLIS T. LNiS,. CFR
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2 3 i 3 7 S 3 23 11 12 13 id DOPoSi tIon vt A40#-- Cipcllone A Nor sir. 0 ii44 b* etartct4 ssokinc siraoa than? A t3e smoked a abort vaii+a. Q wZen did ha saake? JI I can' G rtca],l the yoar, but ha was a.sakiAg keep at campany, Q Do yo%= raaall tibat hrands he ssroktd? A Na# cir. ~ Wbat w&Q-P hia attiCttda tcrwatds s:mokinj? t~ Ha ~ wily? A ae ju&t didn't iiice it., me didntt likc 7061 witb m,t to t.4$ i;isOtI Of it. ae Jijn`t 1ike tay smali. tIe vas Agaxnat we S;;aoxiiti. Q That xa ftom- the very "Sinn4ng2 A t"roa CMae very bQqlrininq. 0 So gQ urgej yoLL not sm4ka? A Yea, air.. Q whst argamonts did ba Maika to you that yvu sLnuid amokr? not MR. ]:riCLLs A atatemaAt by Nr. MortArip, 23 24 25 Lat uS say ti?3.n you first aat aiz, going out Yith hla... A Na aaked so why do t smake. I sai4 t~acauao I sa33ce. ge sa fd, xhy d4n' t yd4 stop, paYr.LZS r. LC4cS, cSR 4 JC3ANHZ N. R;3s.lSTOt's, M;:
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04POs#ttan of Icosa cipo3.lona x 2 3 4 3 4 7 a 9 I iy 11 12 r 13 ~ 14 is 36 17 13 19 20 21 i M 23 24 I ss3d #.ts hsrct to sCop and I Just kegt aootf.nc;. u A 0 A A 0 A Then did he maka otb$r argamants ts tive Yase afra Whon did b• rak* thp3a othar acqnaants? dant on? Conatant3y. wh.at riaui4 he uy? 8laass stop smokSng. whrzt raamon did he gl.va? said it W43 bad far ay heaitb. Q Wa~.^:,~ jid he staCt iiajlxn jit id.'i$ ba'rb fCJr yC13C t1$iiitii^t A Al1 aiotsq. Q1 You meari s11 along st,arting in 1247? A SuES. 0 DW be get ;ay more specific as to Wtif it was LxaL: fUr yvur heaith? ~! 0's'i, Y es, a ura. ;~ 'maat wouic3 bt say? A Weli, whon taay starts3 witb soma rif the firndan7w oii T.Y# he would aotR 1:hem 4nil tell tlfau to isa about Lha Surgaon general arx3 sacrkiaq was bad fve yaur healtb and sraokinq oaua+rd heart disaasa and nancar, •t cetara. 8a Wvuld always bring it to lay aLtantian. Q out starfiing baek avesx in 1947, did I uaderstanci you:: taAfiiiUonY ta bV ttaUt hV War* ttliynU Yao srtaking vas bsd for your h4aiW 25 hHYLLIS T. L.,'"KftXS! CZ't2 & 3OA.11tr'•.^. 4} MOLiST17A.;P aIR
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2 3 3 6 7 0 9 10 13. 12 1 13 14 ai 14 IT 13 19 24 25 Deposition- of- Roae C1po13one 7063 A Ha cii3n't tell me that it cau3srJ aancer or uOQrr d;jOUs4, bat c:e uaid it War, atoL gvW. for y4a, t:zat..raz i:ia oxpr@ssivn. Q "ben dsd he start tea iiny you about the tlndiaqa that he saw on T.V., th8't cigarette smoktng aiqi3t aauae cancor or heart diseass? A I don ° t recall the date. g i1c+uld it have bean as' oer.ty an 1950? A I don't recall. 0 Xu4 dan't nazva any is3ea when he utacte4' ct--&~In3 ysj that it M10t cauat cvncer ? A no, u t r . r~ Au uoon az repoa ts atzr,edr M4.. PAr:rY154t Y44 dan't baYPS tQ~ re4J lt. 20, CD"Lt Sorry. AR. PAT` LSIi a That iz our_ dcs ignati.on. Y:.u have to read it, on paoe 7P, tiic. IMLLz Co,'ILinui^.i3 onto page 80. KR„ FWMiSHS €scuse 1 sa sarry. Just give Ma a minutee, sorry, we do want it c.ad. 156. 4 An sc+ors as reports started appearing on T.V, s.nd- on tbar radio that elqarette seoking being associated with hearfi diueaae arzd cancec did yauc huu4and at4rC taiiciny to you m"ut thlt~A? £ULl1aS T: LWWZa r .'.,z',~R J:3ANMt.- H. ROU,,'X€, C:3n
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, L. 1 2 3 4 S i 7 a 9 I+ 11 12 13 14 I s 16 17 ia 19 20 22 22 23 24 25 Dspositfon of R03e Cipoliong 7064 tt Zea, sir, Q AM ha stasrL-.eri urging yag to quit btoauss of tuat? A YaA, air. Q Wh.a did you first try t4 quite smoking? A U'hsn I bacasft preqna;xt vith ay lirst chf.ld, Q You nevQc krisd to quit, before that dtte?-- A Q iio, You never tried to auk'dawn before that daxts? A Q t~o. Wiia4 you trzed to quit K;stn you Ls*casaa pregnaat witta- YQUx fltrst Cniid wtsy d1d you maka that. attw~jt? A my huabssd beyytd me to. Ue ssid don'tt suok$ vai3e you aia prsgriant aaJ L Wa2 very y044_s'. L waz ?1F F Wa:; ,0iny to ug a MxiC4er and xWfi* ;tis. Vx4lts4 Gad I thottght vb; I'm going to be s4 good iOiii not ant,he and en,!AAisC ~A.: "ild o: mysai.f an3 oi Coorsa evsry oa.a in awhii.ser I Wma:J 3nOAk a r:igarat,te• It- wa.ta very hard, I triej bard anj I dtd Weii fc!t kPltlC Pat l:?da Q !'sr thst psriod, baw aucb wouid yQu judgs you anokel#? A I aou3dn't really tell you "Cauae every nar aad then I would st*4i a cigarette froa my sister. I would buy a pack a04 Lid* it. whsn say kwuband wasm't aruund I would take cns. I didn't aaaok• too sucb but 1 didn'tt qivs it up a3together. Q Hov a,aay cs9sre; res would you judge yrsu vsra sm.4kin.7 a VOYLLIs T. =i.Sr C5: & 11/ Vi9it#iK Yi • LirlU+S; iJl. j Lr17R
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I 2 3 4 3 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 1s 16 17 la 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 RO;;Q Cipol1Qne 7365 day during this yerlod7 s I raaliy cauidn't' t.e13 y*tt bacauae ii" ay hiaL)an3 was rtround Z otKt2dsa=t amoka at &A-1= ~ Sow did you eoneiidor that you w*ra frdangerinq your chitd7 A I dicia't aonsider ib raally. Ijust thouqbt I vas boing so marveloos aAd so qaaasis Q L quosa I wou3.d ask yW sqaiA, 1t it wouid refresb yo4r rcLniie4tion, when you sairi betoce that you didr,'t want to orvlang*r your ohiid, carc yvu tos.,i me vhaL yoa were taiXi.nU aazrut by tba way oi an onjangorsont to y*ur chiid7 A W,Ui i¢ I went to a v*ry osd awtQi.. IA'o rra4 Very Qi(4nli4• ho had doi9.vera-4 m} brothar an3 I tbink he ha.i dalive,e.: my younger zUter and I Yeat to bim. tIe wau a;,;.)ut 30 yeArqt oLd,r- He waa sti;t.l aractscin,4. Z thin3; they haJ t..e diauua,u:ua with zy busraand. i+y husband said, y,;~u kncxar doctor, she . *U-0kes. Q K4ore you preaentt A Y*8, I rog.- I was on rhe •itaxinitug tabit snd the doctor was there ver¢ my huaband. And he ras a very old ciootor, and ho said to sy hu*band omst}ainq to tAe •liect that ay hustarf+3 sa id. oh, you icAow, she ssok*s snd the doctor ss id ob o you don' twant ta sooke when you axe pr ogrzazt. so;ia,.-histg i ssce tia.4t, anJ then my huaband wou`sc: raud,~Q we ana rtudgo mar an[I I PH:'i,i,IS T. LF`iar CSR & JQARR: n. $a7US`Y"0t4. CSi?
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.. 1 2 3 4 5 L 7 a 9 30 11 12 13 L 14 is 16 17 is 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 00g0sition- of Aosa Cipollo:Ya 7066 DAiJ I'13 rdttirp# a3.3l rig:et. Z vj3z vtacy 7fduz3yr 31.- I thought vow, A Witaal0, I. aM 9oin.3 to have a "by. Yoj try to bn Be pr vp?r a:ld 9004. Q What weco y" rsParring to when you said andanfjac yourself? , A IVuasa it waa the t"• thing. Q xou were concera*d that cigartttea racld harat you? in some way A YOU wvnt to know the trazh, I Waan': coaIQernal. The; varw aol}.aroeri. My hushand hare;]. its I tola yoa t44t at tile beg.xr.nintm. do wouid try anyth.iaj t:o m3k* me stop. Q Did your stepping oause you to L:e nervous or irr,itaco::e? ~ No> Iwauid ssn*ak a cigaratt.e once i.h aw.zi3aF 4~ Can pou tell dert and I have prouaL:,Xy azko:d itt bit Li.l ack. it aya.n, can you giva me acly We* of how adn,, c:,yarotZes you were saokinq in thi ."r. io:: A i can't give you an idea becauae thtra were some J-&Y!i I d+Jn't amoka wiv;, Q Do you have any swca 3nformtion you can give aa aWut t4e amount of Youx smokLag during the perioct of time you wrrt praqnart with yowr ftrat child? A Only wbEn Iwtnt inta iahor, !.f you are iaterostod in that. Kkan f rent Into 2abor, I went into the hospital and the Joctor's asaiatant askea w4 hr.w I felt and I aaid otay. IWa4A't feeiing to4 MuC.:z eiiv,0c,m:art. And ba askctAl AUYLLIS T. LE:TIS. CZR it JDANNE H, £Sa
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I 3 S 6 7 a D 10 11 14 15 16 17 is 19 20 21 22 s 23 24 23 Dep0Uitioo, of RoSa CtpoLlana-. 7067 0o it LvantEd anythin?; aAa 1said: yas, Piaa,9a: soC, me have n* cigt+rstte and a ylass of oranga jsAice, anJ thoy bcought me ashat:* pitch#rr of orange juice and put: it nn a lfLt3.a tahle on my bed and he yavo s+e a pack of oigarettes *ad I saokc=1 Chea all befora I bad tba baby. Q NaW loAq a period of Liar ar# you talki" abQut? A 24 hours. Q It wfls at Coiua#us HoApita2l than that yoa worre as%*d W:aeth-o: or nat y0u *anteJ to s~~ake im;u*3iatedy prior ta the deliver7? A I srazn°t askad .if I wanted to "oke. ; Itho1';at fou tal-I . us y*,r wero al~xed a~3csc7 ff thezV WaS anytuir15 you Want".? A Yea. 0 Aoa you the: sa id you w4at I quarst you reora .io awokie ri~yi~e csga.atte&i2 1~ I msK6J for a cigare%.Ger yea. ~ was tbat adoctar y4,j war* tai4inV to oe a nucae? A A 4soctors 0 Did the doctQr say anythtng to you about your saokiny, otkat thaA giriAq yOu tbe eigartttesT A rio. He qarre ste a pack of efgarattes and orange juir:aa Q He aaVOr di8cu»ser3 oaoRing with irba? A tvo. a pitaber of 0 wba got up first at yr,ur hozo after ya:x were aarrie;i? P$YLLIS T. UVISr Cc"iA j4+" WrO M. "OCT'3'I''3Nr C5R
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I 2 3 4 S 6 7 I 0 10 rx 12 13 14 is 16 17 3.8 xs 20 21 22 23 24 D~eposttS,on af Rase CiQa3io,Re A Ay bU*b3t%d t 0 Di3 yoQ ssske breakfast for your huz:~and? Q w'non would you akaoks your tirst cisarMtt+r? A Aft,er I. -grrt up.-. 0 Was tbat rigbt Aftet yoa got UP, wAS that the first tbing you did aft6t ---. A IWouid qot- up, wash sy face, put on the cof f*epot or teapot and smyb* bavv my btoakfsyt and then 14aybc bawo a oi.qar*tta.. r~ You would hav* yosr firut ci;nr$tte afte: A Geaera?.iy aS a ruiC.. Q Ras ftr. CtP0lioe1a at ba;Ba at tza time you i:1i;,.'7rE$"t-tM? a He wos-1d have gonm to work alrendy. braai~Cazt3 ha.i youc f irst 0 Wwuic3 yo4 sx.Aa in front rrf htm in the mornin,] bviora yVu wen: tu w0sk? A I wau3dn't $ot up when iaa got ui~P Q Khon did he goit up? A Son+rtin+ts bQ got vp ia the aid4le of the night. 0 ?a Vo to work? A Sort. 4 Dur ing that per fod.- of tima did you svsr smoke ia f r ont of Mr. Clpa31ano? A U'ea i 1e . I va a MAr x ie'd t;a b ir.? PHYLLI5 T. LLVI3, CSR & JOAUii£:. ". HQUai?ut C; r",
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2 7 $ 9 10 11 12 14 Yf4 116 17 2e 23 24 25 DopcstsikSon of kose~- C;P~0ilon* 7t36-1 0 Right, Taikinzj rabout. the t.lza A W"an i va& pr*gnant? Q kight. A N3r I dan't think ao.., q Wby 4id1c't you suoke in tront of hS.a7 A I bad t®id you I baliaYe that he askrd m* to atap saokiaq whi2e I was preqnant, ~ Did be know that you irar4 "*king7 A Z don't tbink ao. {',~ So you itapt Chnt from hfm durinj yriur pseUnancy? A Iquasa yau vc+uld ssay I did. ~ Wharo was ha c4,i'loyad? A B€s wa:;-- vraz~cinq Lar thc "vY Yard aa-a rigyarar. 0 W„hatt iaavy yard wag that? A Bnyornne. ~ Did ycrs y*rfoc;a dc»a3tic worX at huaa, do tba lasundry. w44ti diabV3r thzy acOrt of t4in9t durirg thim period of C ixa? A YeSs- Q Ynu didn't have any cloosnfiic he.ipT A iievft s 4 After the oirth of yoU c3iild were yau saq3cinj in front of Antonio at that time? A Ya3. 0 Can you ta.i3 me tr"aa du: ing tha day rhta yoa +oou:d not PHYLLI3 T. Lvvtr:, csR i- JS3.3MUS H. ROJSTL'iNr CSR.
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3 4 S 6 7 8 9 iC 3i 12 1 13 14 15 20 21 Deposition of Roir,ey C3.poi ione_ 7070 be amokirg dutirig that period of time atter the birth of yrrur first ohild? Were thace certain period& a:° tima rt;.at you Wajici not SS4oksa7 A If I was fpa3ing my baby, I wou1dR't foo3 her with a Cigarette in py mouth. i That would be oa* of the iaataacbs, rigaCT Q A as, When i rag nieep#ng X'wouldn't aneice, xight? 0 t?t bt7 q h Taat wnuid rse arn inarwan :e. ' m4l:.te i+,ras eatiny. X wouidn t sA3xe wbc:e I waa eating. h.€ter I ate Xwoaid have a Ci~jarotta, Q W0u1d laa Saaoke whiiV doing houszewark? A Yos ~} . nycruid yoQ amoke w4iita you were watchinU s•V? ~ yesa . S~ ~'nat in::.iuc3ad ti"S whers you were watariinq TV witL yoar hctwo~and at hoz~r at night? A Yess D Qow loay did you aontiaue to saaica at the cat• of ab"t a Paak a day? A Pretty vonaixtent3y I would say. 0 Did that nuabor ever vary? A Q Ye t.- you woaldi svo~.e mo,e un3ar certain coriditioa;i? PU.LL15 T. LE4l5o, CSR & JoAh= id. H7JSaOtd. CSFa
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1 2 3 3 6 7 a 9 10 11 12 14 15 16 17 13 ID 20 21 . 22 23 24 aepa.ition oI fCosa c4polione 7971 Would yau doscribs thosa eooaitianaf plva4e7 A W4Lif if we were out, as I gat o.1darr if we wsrre tv be with €sampany, aut to dipQer, under avciaZ conditia:ja I rrvaid f i3d oysoit am4k;ng nwfa, Q f#tsat wouLd k* the maximus naabar of cigarsttas that yoa would oAOto in • day? A Atsout a pack and a half Q Pack aad a half? A Or tiosa Co two pScka, Q w~~st woaid be tho- ainimu;,2 that you woaid sook* in a day? A A psck * a Onc PaCk? A Yea. 0 hever f to yOi:c knowle:ig+:, POC4? did yCfj szokv i0:ia t;:,2tca 4 A ND. I tilaa a AezSiy a4oi:e:. Q {tN{ ficityS A I amok#a a iok. Q A iotF A Yts. Q Can you dascri" botir y4a ss<Oked? Wbat g'a askiag abo4t is did you iahiio or did you juatt bold kha csckf iu your Mouth? A I inha2ed, 25 I 01 yOu aaOkc tt10 ciSatatte tO a shOrt butt or ha3fway? PfIYLLi r T. L94t:4 CSR JQA3iii-- H. ffo11z=.-O. Cu.
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PapobitjDn af nm CipD11ans_ NT2 I I A I aQu7d amok* thr-I-a13 the vaf drrwn, Q A}.3.- the tiay dawn? A YQi. 4~ Di3 you krrep yotr-CigarattQ is youc mouth qaaoraliy waf,ls m+t- iaha3inq? A ~asc~etizaat~.=- s~ Did you svat chain smoka? A Yto.- 0 Wert t4era any pa3rt.icuiar tizes that yoQ miVht chain at:at~~: ~? A Maybc vbQn TWAS, PlaYjng carj4 i'd aauka ono cigast.te 2 3 5 6 7 D 10 ii 12 aitar anotArrr ossa or i ight one rair`h tho butt uf ar3 othear. vore pretty eoAzisttnt throughrpat tho L 13 14 15 16 17 le 23 24 25 Q out th+asa taasiits pezia:# ot t,ine you rttre a2-oking Catatarriar1d? A x thinX it Wam thrriugbout the t.las kha: I s:voke4, Per irid, Q Did yua ever borrow fraza otbar pooi~io3 ~4 Som@ti.mea. Q Can you tsil aa un3er tha oiraumsta.ncoa wbtn you nigh: borroy+ lron som.body? A Xf I rart out of aiqar#tt*S. • MR., SDELL: Conti4uirtS at line 2I7, 25, t? Youd atntioruer3 that dur iug - ycw mentioned that youc drfn4ing 4ft+rr you vtr* aarrieci was prizArily eocfai;y ra3atad, pertraija an *ccasf*na,1 gLaaa of wine at home, but- PfiYLLxS T. LE4TSy CSR 4 +1OhNNE N. AO;3SIIOs:, CS:i
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I 2 3 4 5 6 7 6 9 10 11 12 1 13 14 iS 16 17 lv 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Dep;~aition- cf Roae Cipoiiona 7073 when yau rrure out arntertaiaing you aight- ha:rae a r3ririk or two? A Yea. if we want ou,t for d#.nner or vertt- to a partyf if vs would Aaye companY at, boaep entertain you agtvr Q4eets a darink and i, rrould haweona myaeif.-. Z would con$id$r that a uocial drinker. Zwaan'e an. alecbo3ic,-1 xwac nsver a ba4vy drinker. I could never drink sors tbare tarot anyhav. HR. VML t Can rie break for the aorning? T'•i :C'XJRTa A1 x r ight,- Ne * 11 :,r etah now and re4u4ie at 20 OY 3.2. Ail riae for L4e jurp+f Pleaao. fiHi* CLZIt;t AiL r:iua%. tTbe fQ1Iow3,ng takes p3.a;:a if; th= Prosence Of Ltle Tii"" CGVW:T; Please be seattw. f'::, ZJC1].. MR. EDZLi.t Paga 35. Q Yau tben xowad, In ippraxinately October of I350, to 1903 Sryant Avenue Sn the Srfln,x. Ts that correct? A Yte, sir. Q And lived there until October Qf i*60? h Yeffi, airs Q Ceuici yo4 tu3! u6 wha lived with yos during LAat p8ri3d of t i.a3c? P#3YLLlS T. LE#-II',.f' r CSR i joAhm R. HC)uSaawt C3R
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I L I 2 3 4 S a 7 8 10 11 12 13 1t 1s 16 17 IR 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Dtpo4lti6tn OP R0a4 cigoilona,-, 7074 nix huzbandr my daughter. Then I gaYe birth to zy aon irs 1355 aRJ I qave birth to sy ciawghtar ira 1957. Q :.an youl ta2l uce tuo date and piaco whera you gave birth to your son and biz naa+e? A His nsrae ia Tbowan and I garre-birttt at 45th Avtnua Hosp#ta1 La MW Yark City, 0 During the time of youic pregnaney with this seaonri ohild, I qa:ther you. did -~ I gathor you did not aaker any att*Aj;t to roduca your ajotzng or to duit? A T::at' s rfght. Q n h Di3 you not =ake any suc:f att$Qpt? I did rxot. oi:3 Dr. Knopp taEZ k at a;., with ycu at>a~At yulc ana4inq? ~ He never aatd anyti3in4? ~ I don't rocaii. ~ Bid yojt huzbsnd urge you to quit amox:n:3 durinj ys•a, preqAanzy uith your zacri:.~3 ohi3.:f? A Xot that I rtcall. 0 Were l~.har• otb.r o4oasians !'.or you to see ar. Xapy durinq the tins parfo3 from =947 to 3350 sther than care and prtparotivn for your aooond abild? A I had another baby. I had another child in 1957. 0 X gath~tr that during yosr pregnancy wit3a your thicc! ehild in 1957 you did not Ma4c any $ttampt to cut down on PH]fLLIS T. GEWTS# C653 A Jt?Awm ,;. R{?[3s-'%)u, CS:x
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 a 9 lG 11 12 14 3s 3is 17 IG lg 20 21 22 23 24 2s Dapoui,t,ion Of Rose Cipol2ona-.. 7075 your amoking; R 2 Co:x't reCaii doing anytYt.Lnr 1i3cQ that, no. ,2 Yow don't ricall tryinq to quit *r cut down? A kight. Q Agata' did Dr. iC»app d;tring t.hIa period oi t.iu say inythiny to you about your aaoicinqT A x don't CamtesabQr, no. p Did y*ur husband say inything to you dar ing your prr~Inaacy witn ycrur tbird crti.ld a"ut you,r 3m4kin4, to tzr m.3d cvt dcswrn ve,;auaa ot the praqnancyi 4 'i cion= t sec2.i.i, 0 So dur 3ng tho ;,er ie:3 of Ciao Itv;a I:3SO t4 wi;cn you i3ved at 12,23 Bryanr Avenae in tye wroax tba oniy I~ervons who WoUx(I hAve livgd vit;. yu4 at that Addz e,:2 V0a14 ha;ra tseen your hjaband ati;:i crziidran? A aight, an:I my brothtr for uix months. Q Youc br4thzl;? A Ya u. Q Approxtswt+ely when wauld your 6rothar bavi liva;3 with you? A When my a4thor aitd. ~ tt8.n your aothar disrl? A Yaa. Q Whot aga was your 'arolk-her when he irve:3 with yuu? A Alaout 24. Pw'fi.LFS 't. LMIzS. C152P, 4 VVAVVIili si• i,i:?USa0l:, CS:5
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n$P-3altio» of 4040 Cipollone- 707+6 2 0 W*re thar$ any particuiar **ClaI frianda that yact had 2 3 4 3 6 7 a 9 10 11 3? 1 13 14 Is 16 17 13 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 duri.ng tho Perio;i o: time ya4 3J,var3 on DrPanc Av*n"? A U4C realiy. my sistser live:i an Bryant Avenue. we had a aick wother, we apent a lot of tioe - taicil%q c4re af har. Q MhiQh aiater Yas tYatp A tta took taru*, bflth siatars. One who Iivad Aearby waz *1'hstmasiAa. ~ She s;eAt a qraatt daai of timo dur€ng that poriod takinU ,:4ro 09 your mothet? A Yes, Q AnJ the rasL of y3ur ti;.:t wio4i.d have "en a,:anL at A T-44ing aa.re ol my 00m, ye4. Q Was there 4 particular church you *tteraJad cE;:rin7 thAt Dot i rrd of C ime? A St. Thtmau Ajui"%., Q Abd dur.ng the per iod o£ tize fro&-dcto!jer of 1950 to 1960# whero aaa your busL~and *miploye3? X Then he vau asap2oy*d at tat t3.N# r xaon tboy builclinq the g.M., aa a laboxar. 0 tiha t par iard af t 3 ae wostl d tkta r. a*v $ rt A I thiak from 1949 nAtil its Coaplatiaa. Q Mhtra waa your hust*and employe4 after bs lrft the job s: the Ci.H.? A He went to wort for AtlaS Ri9ginq and 3uW1y Coop-any, Tr;i:y were 1raMatR'iSS Ab L#a! Y;imt"r Ltt L4oiRrflyt 4io/' Vekraey. PFiYLLIS T: 'i.E4JE3, CSR 41 JQA14NO- M, BJUS;J:j, CStA
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1 3 4 3 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 14 3s is 21 22 23 24 is D*POaitiQa 4f_ RaSe C,"liuae L 7077 Q Nvpro,xiraatei.y xhat tiu" dtd ht, atact_ work:nfj for Atias Rigging? A When he 3.aft the 0.,5. 1 can*t. give you a date,- Q How 3oag was be emplayeid by Atlas Rtgging? _ A 6evtrAl, yeara. Q What type of work did be do for thes7 A ita +rst; a cable splicsr. KR. IMEi,Lt- psga-~102, I deA;k believe tbia is - appropriat$ tor the rule of cc:=p3otenea4i Kr. Parri.ati. MR. PARRTSt3t hrt yv:: goinj to redd tL 3ater? KR. =31LLt Yo%a oan reud -iC i,rc your ca:ze. :KR. ?#nRi S9t Oka;{. MR. SZOi.Lt PiCk:ny u;? at 21, 22. Q "Whete did your huzt>3r.,j crr when did your Atie . R3 ggin?T A Waan ho went to tiotk i`or t3. S. Steei irz 2359. Z dor't: know, it wss aPVrQxiaat*iy 1958 0r 1059. G+ Witat type of voric va* he empirsyaad, -- wltet did ne 3o for tJ.B, stfol? A The s"e rork, abe was a cable splioer. Q Cabls splicer? A Ys. Q na3r lo;ng did he work for U.B. 8tee1? A Urti.il he .raa terrainated* Q When roou3u thut bt<ve been? Pt3YLt.IS T„ LMIZGs CSI: i JOAlis3. M. H©i35T.?"d, C,".R
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I 2 3 4 5 S 7 a 9 10 11 12 1 13 is 23 24 25 Dapozitiom of Rosc ~i~v~;~.ons 7078 A Xnybe aigat years ago# aaybo l+sss, Q Wben and whcre was hia next scaployment? A, he oi>ene3 up aAAAi2 shop doiug tha saze type of r+ort. 0, Where was that shop located? h In LoJLt now JsrsaX. Q what was the nmu of the shop? A Cipol2ona Wirr, it was a part-tina bustnasa. Q Dt,d you work in the bisatnaSX? d~ At, houa, t do the boo.ks. ~ Du'rinq tne geriod of t.ima frou appr€sximateiy 1547 ui:tii l960r wheA you m4vw4 to LLtti* Poiry. §.ow Jerucy, yauia yv4 SCixi c:onaic3er yo±tzaeif an aut-goznV person7 A Yus. Q DiJ- you_ Continua to qet aIa4g weI,s watr, the Peop:e yOu woulJ meet with youc nQigh"rboo:i or ar:y of tno cther -- )vba that yuu workod d.? A Yea. Q Did yuu.conAider yourseif# durimg taat pe:iod c-0 tixc, to be a narvous or calia pazaoa? ~t lwlra~n. Q aitl you have Occaa3"s when you felt partioulaciy tenat or under stress? A if +t child of mina was oick. I would be upaot. Q aid you oanzri3er yrrurseif ax_ havinq a tamper durSnt; thnt per ioJ of- tiao? PHYLLY0; T. LUIS, CSR 4 JaA..~n- n. HoUS-1oG, oSR
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UsaPositlan Qf- Ruse Cipolica$ 7079 2 2 I 4 3 $ 9 9 9 20 11 3' ~ 14 Zs 16 17 xs 1! 20 21 22 23 24 25 A Avsragu. ~ How 1ong did you euoice Cbe3tartis3d? A I sraQtsd Chetst.erf ieils I tnink until they cA:.O OUt Wit., L&m, with a f ilter aigarQtts. g Caa you tell us approx3maiely Nh#n that yould have been? A I r*ntYy don't reeall_ t.he y+sar.- - ikno+ that-I did switcbed to the filter e3geratt.s. 0 why did yau make- tbar ~wWitch? A Weiit they were talkimcr aracaLlt t.he= PS.it€sr zip, that. rC wa;, :ailjer anit a urracie itt wou:d ksei3 t:xc stitf :nsi.de a t~~~R wi>~tev'er. 0 Wfa0ci yOu say Rcae stu{ t,' rrfiaC are YQ4 reze:g in4 ta7 A Nifitlttoer the bro;err1 9tLff.- -~ W:ay d3.J you ci$sire tua iii,tet tip? h Bec:4us* i ews r# t~Ia uWd tix ing and I t igu, 4,: r uei AL, go tiiai3,g. ~ Arry otlie: rosaan for s;ritching to LV-f7 ~i I tigurvJ it wae btrtwer.- Q tu rehat respect? A TDe bid atuif Wcwld atay in tbv filter then. t? Why did you eonsider that. basi atuff? A Bec:uae they uaad to adv*rtise iike tlaat, they uaed to show that the tipr the filter, thatt n.icotirt* and the tara orou3d go tbrdagh the fiitsr. Q st4y were you ccsncerned about t33s nicotine aa4 taLz? PiiYi.i,ZG 'I'. L~L"-~'i1St CJR t. JOAHK3 x. BOUST31:,, C;ii':
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I 2 3 s 4 7 s 9 10 11 12 13 24 is 17 18 23 24 25 F)aPOSition orz RO-Sa Cipollon4 7000 A I didn't tbink it Waa gr434. Q Yoj difln't thint, it was goo:f7 A Tisat' 4 r tgbt e Q wa* it barcausa df your concern sbwt yogr health? A Nat rea;ly, Q w'l,t Nai the camctm? 1~ I don't knoW* it xast tha trQn3o fivorybosiy was smoking the f i.itor cigarattss "' I changed, too. „ I')u noL 8uro I stiii unJvrstand rhat you meaa waen yo,i nay "b4,: Utuf f." A Xaybo I Zai.•.3 it Wroaig but I i€nuw I eba-.19a-:1 fr0.9 s +r$4u:at ciqarett.e, withait a fiite€, Lo a faltts cigarette ana Iwav amoking Lwi rijiat rsfter Cheztatfs4'.dr Jt3a day I broke oxtra oper; ani I fouri~l that t:ztre was all tni4 W-oWn in tho i~att" 0: t:ie fiitok an{l I gigura-04r gee, taat't: yooci. ~ Uw y[3U rQC'.lIi Cny Sp*C2f:.C 8IJ"3 IYtVO".F,.'L+irkq LO , CiqdY'ettSL? A amao type af a-Is, maga4ins ads, n#wapapec s~3%.-- Q And thoy rsra ads of attractive lsdiQa ssvkinq? A Yaa, peop#.r. Q An4 do you rt"mber any mozsag* witb those ae3e, any stataaeots? A About the f iiLer? Q ,3sa3t about the fiit+ars? A yes, miracio tip. FtixLLIS T. LEAI5, CS2 3t?A.24Z M. dl:3~~:{3?;, CSR
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I L I 2 3 4 S s T I 9 10 11 12 23 14 is 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 213 DeQoaition at _ ftas Cigo3.3trne 763eI ~ ahat espsc+a,liy did it say? A N+a2i. 1411 be ao€,*4t with y04t I r*al Iy caM' t r$Cs1I specif:c tb3.n4a that were in ths ads. I ras:gil tise &is arsd Irea*mber the tips. I razemboer the &eaar.agea of a li2tar, a Saftr, sOMa~hinj to that elfact. Q iafar3 4% Yes. I ean't recall. Q Can you yira we in mor* detail? You aaid stmethfng itn th* ad about. saZer? A ~GA?~t~3f~ly to t.,a't Qf VeC4-,. I dai1;t =o~.31j 0 tiQ y" re0a.:1 whst ths x0sbnvc -- whar that "44Age Aesmit to yos c A That it f iitoi: tAv ::icatine and t,he tar r+nJ tH~ taba:.co, .0 Wtzmt did you un:ieLal,-,and Co be the idvs.ri:Age ot f:iterfsi4 the nicotine anj the tsr? A Txat it wo4id be acieaner and freaheE s&oke. Q Out not any cathet resta:t f r" that, 3aaC that #.t .ouii taste cleaner and trash.r? A ya s . 0 Whtn you SnokOd ot atart0rt t9 "oks FAR, caa yao tell as what period of tias you amc+k*J L&N? A About in 1955, 0 Up unttil what dat*? A r1sti1 spproxi"teiy J)Ga. Piix:.LLv T. LRNia, C53t JOr"#:i:it M. RiaUv`Y`oLR., cSR
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i 3 5 5 7 a 9 10 11 12 1 13 15 16 17 i.3 19 20 21 22 23 24 2S I gqpvsitian at . Rnae Cigaiione 7022 g Duri.ng that pariG;3 of ticer yas cantinatJ to Amoice abaUt a pack a day? A Pack arid a bayf, aha4t a pack ans3 a haif.- 0 Iii that the aaxiaua7 A Wo1Jt, LiAQ I aaid, dittarant oircuustancas i'd emotca mora.- it was accctcYing. Q And aaxiauvwaa about a pack and a hal f? A About a pack and a half a 44y, yau~, - Q id4t3 yii33: iio3'mal tiwQkiDtv abi34t ap~ucii. aS*Y? A APaaks iaac4 and a ha3f. 9 hcra many ciyaf al•tea wos:ya t~~re i;i apack? A T"4anZY0 o nid you aver aaQku aa iaw " - aigar. to ten cigarettett a d47 during tDi~; Vezsad 01 ti2e? A ajt taat I rayall. Q Duriny tha tf.au thaw you lived at 9axk 105,04 titroet An;l I be3 ia-ye that waa 2ust after your mar r iage to your Aua;,and, were "are u.ewapdp*rs that yvu =*qularly raad? A Yos. My bupband uaod to br ing the papan cwe in the w*ning. g What papor7 A Th a Da !.3 yVAFva. Q What aagazinas dicd you subaaribs to during that peria:3 4t time? A A:a far as I can racali I $aiiucriired to i.ad;es 8a:ae PT3YLLIS T. LZU&I'S,, CSR ~ JOANNZ A. W:35TOU, CSR
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I 2 3 # S 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 li 16 17 13 23 24 23 uepwzition oE - R*"* Ciywa3ar=* 7Q63 Jotsrna.3, aed:)ook magazirte: Readat `s Di.go5t, Q Do you racai y vh6n your su!::acr Yptiong to thoa* u44azinoz atatted? A r donst tven r:aaabac when thay renl3y startad or xhan they sqda3 0eea430 off and an over the yasrs I subsCribe'sd to vsrioua Msq4sines, Q Did you raqu3srly have access sAd raad any magaainsz :n addition to the on*g you described to? A I Uaed to ;x.:xc:hau* g3 qaxina3 on the coraar newaytan~.i or: 135t~x 3trect. I a3waya iiKed Zaqaai#Ias. ,,,t You aa id you aubacr iboA off an4 on to a aayaz:ntz aa:3 you grxve Ae fficw4 n"_ea: xa•Ader' u :)iq*z`. aslw a coupie of Ot""Iera.. ~n you think of any othtr Ghat yi.)u retguisrly read, whether you purcaaae-d tbam or xhotaor yov 3.ooked at tkic?:Q in baauty ssopu or how aver you got scceY a to them? A Po: aacrtain ti%o puiirrd or ofi' 3nd on t:trr,u:,;hout ;Ay Iife, vDic2i do you mean? Q 1fsi1, 2*t--a tak* the tiam period tb.at you lived at 101ta itcaat and at nrytat Avsnu®, boiore you went to Little Pet a•y. !l Re33, I would like to buy aaqaatesss at th• Aeasst+cnc3. Y to;td you I voaid- buy movie magazines accasiona:it, I wou3d oy Trup Story or True ionfe.Ajior} aa-qa&sn*» if I waar,'t PUYLLKS S'. LmlIv. C3: 4 .TQANN: A. N:3U3'I`O=s, C :R
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1 2 3 Dsporai,tisrn Ol ROGs-- Cipox3.ons. 7934 zuydyr i!:~iny to L,ad&ea Uoa* JQurnm3. L would like to buy tbar. or wocd sogaets,"at A,edbook if ZWaars't aubacribfng. Tnece vo;e a nuabor of magazines anS_ I can't re0a11 tDen aXl. S 6 7 S 9 10 11 12 I 13 14 15 16 17 22 23 24 25 11011 yout I alvaya bad Llfa. I used to iiks..-, th+dt. I sesomber Look, fcan'tI tell- you sxacrly the year becauste I bougtttt so aany aeagaxinses arad rsad so rany Mayaaiaea in My Iff# kwt if you'rf qainy to pin me to a- sb,eciPic ysnr Z rssll,y cen't ta,1i ytiw:. 0 Wau3d it be accurAts to ncy t4at -- not sayin£3 that yvu read evsry iz*u*+ out that dur inc,; the pariou of ti&e 1947 to 20600, b0forn yrs;a movod tu yittle Fsr r}'s thaL yau re?4u t 3r.iy rsad t'rie a~3jaainera thrt, yQu toid ua Aboat? A I tek:l yQu i;-E thty rars there, I read thaa, 1 nava to _ar. it that way. Q Tou gsntioned that you i,ia:$ tO rs4d b0:,4rr that yv1A rs4d a ioc. Can you tel3l u& same of the tl'.aty014- rs&" dLttS.rtq tt~ia ikeriOdl A You want to be hers for+ever? buoks ttzat yuu reaj Q i3o* Just giYa ae qonsral. A "llf I have 9cid a& aany bOots aa-I could qst ay banda on$- Imade a rcw that I waa going to read evsry book in tma library. t started with sutnorrs Iroa A. Bsilervs sg, I 3iavc rardd reoveis. 4icagraphica, stctanc:o aayaxcnest sclsnca baoka, PF3YLLI a i, Wr1I5 s LS: i .TOARN4; M„ H,:)USi3 ~~1s CS ;2
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pop*64tiao 99 A044 Cigoiiont 7033 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 12 14 is 26 17 13 is 20 21 22 23 24 ;S science giction, "arson, 2h:3rarau, Yungr whataver I cou3.d. got ~ay hands on> my aoA's buoka, my cai2dssn•a b-~0ks. I aa a vor,y avid readet, I baeva barzalsz of bCroku stQrQ4 in mY attio.- D4u yon want tha aa"s aI tha books? zt's ioyossibia*-- z read torrvrr 1mber whan z va* tQn ysar3 01,1, MM. an3LLt Ytiwt Gau raX3 tUie. A I have an avfui lot oi boaks, Tbis is a passion oC ms.ne: ia readin4;,, a aa;i Vaa;.ian. I even roas: ca:e3? b;~~xea. T roaa 941iugs's Ccsrn Piakga 1~,osea. I a4 one of tuose typea a&, Ps'a;3ia. I read.a ibt. 0 :hat wouid have baan tsuo froa, 10477 A Ay wh4ae 3ffe, t? Your Whule :i:a? 34 ?, ; r Qtiji^1 Eay vho"1 e i it*. 0 You aaritior,ad Ybeifova that you 40t your iLsst telavision zeC iA 1349? A Yss. Q Have you "r3 a television sat ever since thsa? A Us. Q in the period of tine lrom 1940 tto say 195D, wlre thfora any television sbows tbat vara afsvariCrt of yours? A I waLchtd the Ld Sullivan show and the Hoasyaoonorso tha Jackia Girasvn Sbow, Miitore Barla #how, variety ahowa, Mou#,aa, 221*LbISi 'I`. LW-9S f C;aR i .717AiN= ;4. HoaS'3't3ti, C3R
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1 2 3 S S 6 7 a 9 10 11 12 13 14 1s 16 17 1$ 19 Zg 21 22 23 24 35 benoaltion O: 8oua- C.iiaallona 700a Q HW wo33d ycuu describa yaur- tiatchieg toievi.%iors? Did you Vatch quito a bit duriAg the day or in the aweninj? & Ycu havo to rQraeaber I had a aick sothar. We usad to tako car+r of, samaa. Wa oafd to get hor otst of bed, sit her Ia a cbair,d anrl that was as sucts as wa could move hfr. Sh• couldn't do anythiag for barsalt. If th* bousa wau on ftrt, al3t would bura- to daatb, She cwuidn't get oit of tha chair by htrsalt. We usad to a.#.t ho.r in Ch* iiv;ng:c3Z-P i.lta say, with the tex¢viaiant Wt: we were huay. So I wu"Id L* taking care of my daujhter, 3at`a say, and workinj ar4urxd the hcyazet bur~ the T.'J', vw*aILd, be. on ani. 3 wcu.Ici iiaten ar,d sometimis crcc$sioc#42i.y i woutu sit down with har #or a 4iFMaqa while tVo keep hai co"iSy fL3i5i watci tele=iaiLf.Y I•4ei> zwcu: d qrj back~ t4 my dutias, hat t,4 T. V. woa1d be eja imoaL ot the cit+y and then wbao ay hus:),as3d cazaa tto", we raouid hava dinna•r and whatovar aad watch. aoma 'P.V.- anl ego to bod, 0 Duri.ng that pwri©a of tiaa dId you .tisten tv the rswso such or did the T.V. when you yot it pratty Ysi2 rtplac* --• let s+it try iG again --tr During that period of tine did you listen to the radio auch or did the ?.Ve when you got it pretty much replace the radi®? A No. I iiataned to tb* rsd1o* I atill do.- I atiit. ii6ten radio alota igo to alo0i1 with the radio in My Qar, POMLIS r•, M-1r3a, cZR ~ JQAU'As,: 1-r. HOUSMO.a, We: ~ - ---.-. _.` - -.._-.._._-------_.--_.--____----°'
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Ue0cayitloa 94 Hage i:Ip03 i©W 7357 f x sieep w1th a traAaiator radio. 0 Durinq tbe ge:rod fr" 1547 to ,say 1940 wcrre tnere any parrticular radio proqr=u tbat were favorita3 of yours? I 2 3 A 1 uaed to love Artbur Qodrray, r uaed to 3.iatara to hio A lot in the morning and I uae3 to listen to the eaapa. Ytxey uaed.- to tja oA cadio, yuU kAvw, bePote tb*y weAt to Crelevio3on. i S 6 7 I uagd to lfatQn 'to Una Stan, a1l- those old j Z.nrna Y " dating my-jalf iiQt i siatenei to rra.Iio a i.ot and newa broaEds:aaty, o'uaiCai progra:tz, opera,r- rtai ian p:o7ra~,.s. Wnatevmr was on the air, iwouid liston to> a 9 20 11 beeause tt' s #aeie+r to aiaten wlz4a yau are I~uqy t"-n to 12 look. 13 i_ 14 I Q t3uring t3xe pari4u of tize fro:a 23dr to ID5o wno;; you 15 16 siv~t.3 at Eaut tosttx st~rerrt did y4~a trr~~~;e;. outut~3a of tb* ~~t~ York arsa? A Y'et, Cir. 17 10 Q woulr3 y04 tei.l ae abcsut tbat, P1eaSQ? A I r+rnt to Virginia on ny boa'ayaooo. Q Juat Sravlled frda New York to Virqinia? A Toe. To wi111aaaowrg, 0 An4 you atayed tb*ro? A xea, F'ar a w-ae4, two reeeka? .~ A weak. 19 20 31 23 24 25 F9x'LLIS Ta Lr~~.<,ii'. .~j .^.aitl & .7C3AI'igt''S 14. FO€1S1`t?t;* C:rR
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1 5 5 7 e 9 10 11 12 14 i& 17 10 zs 20 21 22 23 24 25 Dapogition- Qf Rnsa Cipoilona 7030 Q Anc3 r*.urna-4 to Now . YorA? A Yea, air. 0 Loot us ta.lk auout t3sa ga: io1 ot tiae froQ 1347 to 1550, pz#.or to the time that you soaed to Little gsrry? A Riqht._. , Q Did you always buy yours cigarattas yourseiE diaring ehat- pariod of tir+e2 Q Did anyone e1se a;3y ciyarettez tor you? A So-uetirwcs- my hua"nd wuuid buy thsz for zae. Q You praviouaiy tesf,ifked prior to the t1me that. y0.4 got aa;r.iod tAat you did not hava cigarsttes :r. yuur bO:3:OOM. 3'dot2lc3 taAt ati:.3. i)re corr*ct' A Correct. :~ aij yc4 U~~104a in tr4a bedz00.47 A Novv x . Q 1:. Ln&L a co: r*ct StAta;4ent tbrough the time that y~a quit 4.-i.o4ing? A Yaa. Q nariag the period aft+ar the birth of your first chiid through 2960, di*] you continua to a~oka in f runt of rouz huaband daring that ontira patiod of tima? A I axokadr whethar be .raa there or aot. G You nra0ked in front 01- hial7 A YQ;5. PHYLLiS T. L&UI13, CSR i~ J~~.~tHm :3. H=mx, CSP Q5 tb
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a 2 3 3 d 7 $ 9 I'3 aI 12 i 13 14 15 16 21 22 23 24 ;S Devoai.ti.®rs Of Aoaa-cipo11cu3e ?039 Q bur ttij that aaL ira per ia:~ of tiiaa, you na-arer amoke3 in t34 b*4CaOM? A, I aS.dn't nmoka in ?sad aecausa I was afraid of firss an the badraca. Iread in naa+spapors that peopis WtAt to s+eep, with cigarattes anc3 that ia tts* roasoa I didrOt amnks in tne bit Ci r4o7R w Q Then You aaYad to your current addcaaa in Little terryr Nev 3airsay? R Ya4. Q au .".haL a hoa"1a? A Yea, sic.. Q Hzu.. Cipollona, LnvfLLnd; yc)uc att-tnt.or, to i;i~, pariod ftck4 tba data you 9u1,re:i to Lirtie rarry, aew .7erswj uL~ unui.l the date that you Wara advi4a:J taA~ iiireease rAsc-1; yWj ailage is as:uciaitesi V.~trh a:aov.irri, I raald ltkt to a2K you a sOrraa c+i yvU naj an ciq,at61b. te 4uQae.s4as arz:3 theze juastiom~ w€.iI bt cftrectad trr4,ar:is that tize pecii.,0. pUring tbat tigm period, did yo;A stili cottsid4r yourault a:: an osatgoirvi porsrm? A i#s4 Q Did Yout gat alang reil-with your deiqhbors and f=isAds during that period of tin*? A Ya3, I did. Q Hov did you eonuidar yourgsii ci4rinq that paria-3 ot time -- eltrtiaq W~,aL- pariud, a nervuus or ca14 person? Pk3YL:,IS T. L.*OIS, CSR & JC}ANity M. Ca" R
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2 2 3 4 5 i 7 8 9 10 11 12 33 15 16 17 13 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Dspor'#tivn of RQ40 CiPo:30u* 7090 A wa13.: my childrgn v*nt to sahooit- tiia yoztngor ©ncs,r Y Jornc3 the schoipi PTO, whicri is Par*nts-Taachsxa Wild, I took part in that. I waa a- c+ass :Rnthar. I joina-~i the Roarariaast we asad to give dinRaxa and I playQd the piano, I played th, eburch orgaar I oad a ioz-- of fritnda. ft vaL AS.m' 0 You would Qonaidor yaursslf duriAq that perio1 of tima a cala gazson? ?i Yaas I vas *njoyinq my lifr. Q waa there any perlW of tiwo wkZen yuo fu.it unusuai ieasLoa+ or. Sr.r0ss: A #fel,i, Lgot sick I th:nic it rraa- 1964 ot 'f ;. I h rs,3 a Vail glad.la: and plsurosy attack At th'at va~-t tiae 'An.i that~ I had tu havt my jall b1ad.Jor ramvvad. Q Any oti~*: ocae41ons 4heiz you falt ranuZU4i tonsion or atras4? A 1966 I haj -- w*il, Xwcyu33n't ca.il tiiat unuzuAi tvn4:u7 or atraao. I Sot aick. I bad a uysktsract"y and, ol oourse, I wasn't ftQilng good tor a vhilo, 4 sut do you during that period of tiaa feel that tbara wrr• any t#mes when yo4 fn:t Uauaual tension or stross? 1 realixd yeut d+:rn=t tst3l qood when you •ro sick. A '!'hat's it. I got nacvotia. I Was a Iittle warrie;3 about my he,alth. I ha3 aevoloped a©it of a smukWs ca+49h anJ I usa.i to worry about that. There wtre re2orta tilat az"inj pUYLLIS T. L"13, CrM h .TO&USE llt. RL1:r 3T;3 i'I • C:: % --- 0
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. 3 2 3 ~ S 6 y a 2 10 11 12 I 13 L. 14 1s 16 i7 za it 20 21 32 23 24 25 aopo4itian aP Roka C=pollvnt 7031 was uabaaithy a,ud causal cwncar an3 I baa da;+Q.ioPed a ccu0 a#s3 I waa afraid. ~ A40ut what tint rreuis you say y*u dova3.opad a sr+cnorls rcwqh7 I vcwld say dur iny tbe sixties. I couldn't qiva you a 49:cif fc yaar. Q S"OtiM4 3urinq tha sixtiss? ~ R9 ght . . ~ iLat sj t;.a 4uut- y4a can tell 0::? A r1e3 , Q i assu~a e that your children ;aft the h0x#4 durfa9 tLxL PtriOd c,C tima and v*nt to their mm ho:av,~,? A dhun taay yot r~a t c ie » axcept f ui my &on. Sra :af rwherr he graciuotaz f.-rja a:ginaaring scisnQ2 . u Where rsaU t.,Iat? A In Naw Jsreay. Sastitutt of T;: bnQloly, ~ An3 ht 3.zva.: in the iio;," dus mi tala anki ro par tsJ o: scsoo3xrig3 A Ysa, h• did. p Naro Lhors any orqaaisatioas nr qrorrAs that you boca40 a •eQbar af as a rasu3t. qf his att4adiAg that school? A NbaA he raa in Qraum,r.r sch4nl, I bacam* churctr orqaerist for the cbnrcbr and I attatadad the PTA aaatinqa, and I bacaze a Rosarian, aner-d>ar of tha Rosary Saciary. Q Did any cf your cbriuran i,articipat+s in sp-ortz at tnasc PsiYT.i,I:3 T. C3It U3JSTOIII-411 CSIR
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I 41 3 4 S 6 7 s 91 Ifl 11 12 i 3. 3 14 15 16 17 Ill 10 24 25 o#eDiiiLion :lr $Q6$ cipi'i.ioile 70;42 actaooxa? A Raja3.ie gkredr p'.ayed sofCball and axatrs3. To,~ vaa not i4j.~Octa DiiJ1;3Cj A33i t1eith*C 1Pas Mari1!t. Q I assuater they all took tbs aorrosl health coura¢a in sohool, is that correct't A Yas.- 0 Xatld you describe tba naigbborhnW ia Littl+a Fgrry wh5re y4u livad? A &Laristly reAi.3antiai.. Q Reaxdnntiai? A i04. : Any f; i9nJa at alil du;ing thia 19,60 ta tAo praaant tnat yoj bsv* zx4t trFi:i ua a'u:i4t EhaL yt),: ca.psiaz Iy ,;'~anw tima rrith ? A Oh, ytM. A Gene PixrA. 0 Uhart t doas sAs live? A At U:a Street.- Q In Liti•_r terry? A Noi 8autfa HoCkeassck. She is sy biuq* partnsr. 0 wh:re 40 rau play biA9o't A x us.d to play binga in 8outb Rack.n#aak ao•1 ft. Raryaret 's Cburcxhs araa rhsravsr they bad bingo gaacro. Q uh+en w+Ert you nazt 4mployad7 A Ibtlievo it rraa 1263. _~ Where d!d that job ocauc? PidY.',.LXS 'P. L1"~,~ZS. CSR J4ANNE tt. 80:3d:ti::I, G sFt
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I ~ 2 3 4 5 G 7 a 9 10 i~. 12 I 13 L _ 14 is 16 17 38 19 20 23 24 25 ve?a4itiQn ot Rose CiputroAe- 7433 A Fubiix4oxa Glearinghouge.- Q iiuw iaag wert you ewploye3 at Pubii+ihscx Citariaihouse3 A I worked pact tioa for approxiustely a year. 0 CaA yo4 giva be the addrsss of publishsrs Cisaringhouse? A IL wis on Cttiat Lai'fes lq ?eanook. 0 You said you worice3 tbere p+trt-tia+ for apYcoxirately a year7 h Q Yf3. C(>ul:] yo;t de3GC ibe the n&tUrs a[ your dutfss? A Var ioua off ica duties. 0 YUu rrstid ya+s stacter3 Yorkiny g3rr ti;le fac Pub;,iIIbazs Cs.aaringnvuaa in 19620 Couid you szot$ xgi:o you vrre 0si that -- aorry -- what word wou3d you itss to uzo? T:i : CCC2T: JaSc - ~ You ttmid you atxrtaJ working part tisre for Paa'siariera Clebr s.nghouse in 1963. Couid you saokQ rrai lo you rer s uZ that jo:a? A k* vould-have a cof fs$ brt4k and we cou3d smoke. ,0 fty did you laar* there? A weZ.i. it was just part tiva and I waated to be bosrs for tMe #uazer when the ahiidrsa were boaa from schoo2. I 4 What was your next .apioyaant? A I yorked for Retric Hosfery. 4 Natn dzd you atrrrt warking for Hetrr.a #3oaiery? A 39G5.- PHYLLI iT. LE~4Z:,. CSR A JOANvC M. LnJS':Jar CSR
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Q i7e,10ji~tion of Ao&e Cipollana 74N rit.wre war. Piet.ria lioziery? Hear Wauhinytoa Avanjo in Litt?e Frttry, it vaz. a pi iVMLe LlYNl41 6 7 a II 12 13 34 15 I r; 17 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ~ what type of rroric did- you do? A I wss- a• stcretary. ~ Can you te3.L- jue what Metric Hosiery did? A Vl1 i, they were a diatr, ibutor. 1A saiasman uaed to sel.3 hraisary ar3d sand us their sa3sa siip and we used to senci it to the i~ll1# ana tha :ai.i.a uaQj to distcit)ut:e t6s ha.jery. ~ w0:i tla hs9:1iarj' +eVi3i ii; thatt pr1tratC: 1'1 sa: i A vLtit a fe:. r;a:"Plera. Q Liama 4i3 you leava ttsat ezm,~tioyment? A a year. °~ W,Icac[ arore yoA nssut +tzni~crc! Aft r w .ki ; , . ~ ~ n t , y _r,ij 06V,1" 'i+diicpital G33nk? A Va,i tey f'dir storez. Q Z vlferRt iy th'!C itYiaitec3? A L,ittie i+erry. 0 Do you have a street acidreaa? A The Littie Ferry circle.- Q What perio,4 of time dtd you work at the VaiLy !'eir storea7 A 1970 to approximatel f "e end of 1273, or the bagfnniaq oi 1973, sogwwheca arovn:3 t:asrg, I r3on't reraember. 0 :)k:3 you wor;c a.zywYs$re after rrorking at the Va3ie; Fair P:'.Y:,F,7S T. C:;? & Ji3fiR:.,~~' :1. HJ:J.sia`y! CS?
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 a 5 10 11 12 I 13 14 1s 16 27 19 20 21 22 23 24 2; Depow'ik:on 99 kaGV Cipallone ?025 ator~~a A Ye.~. i wOnr to work aa an outside tra:+eZ agent for mra. ~iu~~rs3. 0 You aaid your dutiaa at the Valley Pair storss were a+eoretarial. is t3uat< corrtct? A Ye4r 11ndd than I rreat into the travoi agency tn th@ stocea and Iwr,rkad undet Mra. Subbard, but f.t waa still part of Ya11ty Fair. Than aLtnr yaa Leit V4;.3.vy Fair you continued worKiray w;til firs. auttx~rd, is that eoirorct? A Yoz. Lt vas a 1u:.1 w.-Aen i did not work. Tnen ahr-- uwene3 up har Oxrt3 travel a9i'1.;Y pa Union Aven%:e in Sacke :saci;. i want went to wor rfor har part time. ~~ t laz~~ por:,y3 of timo drd you war4 at the trava3 agr:~cy? A Aauat 1974. Q That fz appxoxi;;Aate+y wuen you atoi~,od? r1 Itaink tttiat is when 3I startv4 warkiraG for her tueEe. it wu4 approximataiy 1974, ruaytov par;t of 1975. Q ©id you work outaidrt thc hckos aftet working there? A go, tir. p Durinq the tiae that yca 2ivezi in LittLe Ferryr naw Jeraty, up until the time that your illness - that thia iawault is aLout ao*saaneed, what Aaz+apapar did ya+t regu3uriy rad:3? A I au:;zcriUect to Tha Reoosd since I lived in Littlt Perry Ft3`s`LLIS T. LE'.;*i a. CSA JV:\atf:4.r i'i. IfaH lslt( L...tEI
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 a .1 i;i lz 12 13 14 15 is 17 13 19 20 21 22 23 24 DOpOsiU01i of Xa,3Q C1polione 7006 an,~ I liva3 tbtrre 23 years and sony Grinq* Lhc-17a31y Newn ixorae to me. He buya it act ths stasxal a;-0 thar- S.d pretty xegukar. HR. EDZLT.t A stat"ant by Mr, Shbpiros Sy The Record, pou'raaan the 8trgen Record? A Tesc. The seryan Record. Q Ha+r about saqaainer, durlng that period of time other than the sar:as maeqasin.s you told us about airtsdy? A I wa3 ouyirtg Caaiat>poi itan a lot and t gow houkad by aor:e kiJ who ca;ao to my door to su4zcribes yau ktzov, ti4w t4ey cwaa bvqging fnr scn~Ui, aa;i I su4*cci:>e.i to t<h+e uSua: xa~jaxines that I Like:i to roaJ, risa;ier'g Dig43t again AiD;3boc:k. Cue, I uJoL to ssL)ScriOoeo to tha#:. Q, Wi7a{.*a c4a? iThixi. IYin+t ol magf3zina Jas ftiaC.{ ar. : A ; ue xas a Magawine that wQQi.3 have aSil the thsata,: proyraw, upvr4 prcrjra-aa ttiat wcsulu be on. T'nen thc." switche3 i;ks to inclu•:ie T.`1. I tbirfk, and they waui3 uuverti2e r+e+ataurants. That waa tYia type of aA,A,;s:,ine. roe some reason or othar, don't ask a* rhy. I subscribad to that._ Tna€e wra rco arany maqasines thatt caze in and out o: ay house. I'd be honqst Yith pou, Idon't know which ones I Gouqat anJ Y2aicb onea I su!3scribad to. The Iaquicer I u:iad to picic up- sL the nawaatnad= and nides it b.cauata I didn't want artyone to a*e it.~ I' dpick thaue up. PGYLLIS T. LE,I.iS, CaR i
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:)OP4sIt fon of Rdat ctvo1 icofte T03'f t I 2 3 4 5 6 7 a 10 11 13 14 is 16 17 13 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 IQ WOul.J it :>-r: aR:curate to aa,y that your tai avi sion xaz on ae g;aoc3 part of the day an:3 •venin~? A ~, yoaj paLt- flf the day and vvsninq.- when the cail3roa were in schcc3., I teli yo3t;-I dt.in't watch tao mtich teleriaion: Iwarn't orts of thaae people that put Tit on when I qot up in the awrninq. I put ay radio an when L got ap in the morring because I had hoduexork to do an3 I vo4ld do mf hausework. ~ In tiie a:terrsoart wojad yuu watc;z any o; thc soap oiseraa? is I I1{7V,~:C iJatCtieJ t~aL ZiL)3pa. I iit?L'iJ watch a mt?IFxe o:1 ttli~v:.zion, iautF my T.V. wa:~ moutly in the everting atLer wrs cleanal up the aiFhea and put tne :'.V. orn ena-the ch;ldra3 would watc:i tiYc'~rlt progratiu. WaQn tiie{ v~-nt to bed a:1a oy 3,ua~s1~~3 went to ~d, tfAo;~ I zou Lr~ sit the: +.A ~arth ai: my ci~jacettes ataa nuLia:zy would tei 1. ;ao t4 si-z,,} ana I c4,AjJ 6it tt.*re and wat;ca TV unt il iwv:xt ta i)tJ. ~a I aauxac y%)ur rauio 1sstQaxn~j ha!:~aLa zitaye3 a:>out th;: uaxo durtng this per i:aa ct time in th* morreing? A Yaa, I iiaten+rd to the radio a lot. Q These wara normaily with tamiiy aaabe,ca that y*u play+e3 cards? A Just fam13y n.nbera: L?ccaaiorcflliy with aIrisr43. Q Wouid you bet on the card gamas? A t:icke1 and Diraes. 0 You said yoa amoKed mura w4ile playing carcis. tiaK aYwut hai3''F.i.IS i. L.~.+':k,.~'i {{ C: ,71 4 JUAWN:: M. #;OJ3TON. C,7R
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 I3 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 la 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Degcraation of A40t Cxpo2loAq 7098 wbon you were p2aying bingo? Dtd you "oka vsile y" were piaya.Ag bingo? A Yaz. Q lJouid you judge that was nore or 2esa than usua17 b Mars, • KR. BZLFENt Your Boaor, macy we apprOaCh? (The following takes place at sidetur. ) MR. SiLFW4 As your Honor can tail icom readinq tiae rtear isagm, the cnru:wlvqj= g,:ias intn pozt-'66 an1 Leqtato mita 'Mzs. CYtao,lone's swLtcn to Vtrginin: Sli=, in 19GO an,i the Xaazona for tLat *witrh* xbict; yos'.il sea are cavsrcd in the nest thraa payes, vaiah is essentially h;:c Pazceptia;: bha ciqal.e3.bQ as qixYoLY1..y atiiS ii'iiC Firc`,;?{.iYif YL of aavgrtlainS. Tc =ight mai:e sa:a3e for your Hon,sc to akiz ya . T9C CtiUItTt Kaica torea pages? MR. Si.LPSUs Paje 133, 34 an:a 35. ?k1C COJ'llT: Is thiz objection on prsreruptiaa? KR, aiLFS:ao Well, I would like to state a poaitio.z for the tvaord so we don't have r=peat it over dn9 over. TUE C+3URT; Do it and then Z;11 =#ad lt knoving what the objection isw XR. SiLFE :: We Undarstand that we are operatin=J under the state of mind r;tle an;i we understan3 that for that rea3vn Kr! Edeil is parfflctly reasonabie in seeking to read T V ~ ~ ~ P21YLLiS T. LC4IS. CSR & .YCiANNZ M. t3OilSion, C°R ~
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I ~ 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 5 10 11 12 r 13 L 14 3 :a 1€ 17 13 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Aeuva,ttion of R040 Cipoi2otaQ ?D95 many trf thesc portions of w'tsAt Rcrze aafd, Pie want to "kt it clear on tho recard thatt we havan't arceae3 to that cuio, ao iaG 00 state an obje :tl,cn nav to certaia typ*s of tsatiaony ao r doniti havt to intsrrupt itt We object to any kastimony, even fjrom Mrs. Cipolione harsalf t which suggesta that the warning was not adequate or that she or the public didn't uncierstand or wtrv not adequatsly inzorjae3 uf the rt44: of Rootsin4 or taat the waznin,d vas n+eutraiizs3 or that oar advort.ibing, the 1tt:aLiGtrylLi ad"YertiSi3'sq or prczti;Ei.fLiat'k or &.nft7fmat+oii cita::amination was imprQi.er ar rgla;tta:3ing or Ind4:a4 no, nut to underatanc3 fully the hazar~s af. Wt underutana +rc3at y"r i+or,ar has rui.e:}. ;lie continue tc seli+wa tuat the "4-1c p3Lnt iG thAt any nuC Yr eviaoace ia pra4xjated, evei ii it aupport4 a claiw, pre-'G6 and *von it it sapiwrta a ciaim other than tailura to warn. wa cotltirsua to rru.i ieVa tLat that xs t.he point that youL Honor did not aovar in Ibis opipion. That's ry Btattmant for the flcorci.• even within the state of min;7 ru2es your BoAor haa repeatedly aqr+tod that ve're daraiinq with a balanciAg te&t snd the issul, is it more pcowtiva of Mzs. Ci,pa32ona's state of mind or ia it ruura prejuJi+ciai o: probativa o£ aairethinq greezAeu, and wos ve gons arou.-O that raany timea. hs3YZ.LIS T. LL-ai:S, C's'eti & JOARN: t$. NC3i7S`PJ::'. C::
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1 2 3 4 5 S 7 8 3 10 11 12 13 14 15) lt 17 19 20 21 22 23 24 Depsjition of Ross- CtPol,t0m4-- 7100 Su irocy n" ort 1wili oic- sa4ehoiy elsar w:.lZ ob)u»fi, try ta do it sparingly on cW:casfona wt,ere wa ttilnk cven unJer the state of m;a.fi ruie there fa a balanci:19 to do, it oay be that by objocting and xour.. Honor simpiy raading a portion, v*.raay be ahie to ivai3 int+rruptions. THE Ct3URTs That Maka& san".- HFt. STT,mt Tt dfght help, just to_ get ve staCt@jr is if your 8nnor took a look at these next three pagez, 133, 134, onr 3s. W6 :ifscuaz tt brifz!€iy an;i Wcr MA; n,ve qround rulez for the reui of t's}es aitarnoans Ta:: COURT3 Dti you rant to be Uearci? V. ~?f ED.:LL L 8efore yos rcia~3 1L? i~IU b:.f4sSi= .Le:i, Ear'.wWx Na Pro4as->; rait$.l yuJ Lea.iir:•3 T:=s Ct7JRi¢ A l.i.c i' ~.g i1 t s I'vL rosd it• it. SFLP'Et3r T nave no JDs~t, your ::wasr, t:zat tuat te,tsmony reiatQa to Mrs. Cipr,i.oae'u &ctat.e of rtn3 and,, therafora, perfectly for thea to hsve excerpted S.t. I triinic, thouyh, that it inevttably ts going to suVqest to the Jury: given the wbo3s context of thia saae and all tbe accusations madQ against the aoMpaniea, that Kra. Cipolione was misied, was fooled, was duped to Mar detriment. :'FiE CaUa•~C: aut thia i~artAou.1.ar portion r3csesn`t even reiate to anythiMg to do vitts hea;,th. Ail it tai.ks PHYi+i. tS ?. LS'fiI3, C5?: JdATME V. HIOUS"P'Jd190 C.`~i?
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 a oxtgcsiti.on Vf Rose L'# poljsrne 7131 at,?ouf.- is bs.e glam4rouzi ai3* di.1.1iYi9= jI agrGd• THE: COJRi: So there isn`t even a suggsst3on tt:at :shr relied on any repicsssntuti,on regarding heaith, MR.. BrLFENt I agree that it doesn't directly to bealth or safety and I agrte that it doesn't speeificaily baar on tbe varniag. tfy •ryumant is tha one that i've statect. 't'30- COURTi A.Z,:l c: i.3t. r L 1 0 11 12 13 14 iJ 21 22 23 24 Nrc., SILFtiNt Th,4tt it inovita;:iy ia j~:7ifl!# to bt perceivecl by tne jury and parh4pu arguted by tkl$ plointiff6 ns iz:Jxcating that out is.oaotion; :AfaZed, du;~*J and neutral ized t;,e wa r n.ing. TiI~'. COLIRs'i hi3l rtyhft. 13:3 to t:3:3. i CBviahto.t t2ii7:3e plr'ticLtiZdr seCtioi1:a i3ii 3 ta@y c4Ets1: Ly [j* to her Statit of wrnd, tliey do not in any way relste t.) cl.ximi or Utatem$nts ma.i* by ta+t c1gatattte crsm;~sniex: 4z to heai :a vr sdfstyt so ir: t-hi,s c4sc 1laavt rao hesitrm+:y in cancluciin; that the probativa vaiue as t* hfr state of aind outYeighz any possible prtjuc3ice to the def.r:dants. In fact, i soa no prejudice. I appreciate lir. Siifen's suggestion. If you juUt gat up and say oiajectior: on the saAe grt:und, let sa read it. I€ I think thet it r+a;ulrej momo further dfacs:srsioi:, thsn I'11 cai.i tor it, PUYuLTS T. Lt~"..+iSf C5.1 i dOANNU H. P.~3.at`i`13::{ CSR
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Depnsition oi R030 Cipolione 7102 i 2 3 4 5 6 7 a q 10 11 12 13 14 zs 16 17 ia 23 24 25 MR. ZOM.:.s Y'nuc Banor, 34at with ragard to t1,rs other b.ivertising statrtaentg t:iat sbe makes with regard to other advartiwtny, I think that that is more iaportant than this portion that xa're reading in,- Nbatever *tatemsnt she ray say duetto True idvectisfng or Parliaaent or wbataver,, goas direct3y to the iuaue of her state of nind concerninq health hazards •nd the like. I don't rsnt to buy ay silenoe not suqqest to your Ronor that thosao aca lerss impor tsnt, in .oztant tuan this partLcuiar oecttors. fact, t4aae are more .tmp T:IE COURxa All tlot. K*Zl* I un4eLatauzd evscyoody'a position. I'll ru.ie sa thly come u.>. (Tae foiicr4inq takes place tn the presence u.f tho j3ry. ) ti.. BML: I' 1i star t- at tbva top fli the pzge, 133. Q in 1960, dij you s,titch branda? A Ye--, siz. 0 What braad did yoa stwirch t:> in 136;3: A Virginia Fi1ims. Q Mhy did you make that svizch3 A I thouqhty thsy were very qlanorotas. Q Any other reason? 4 It was a g2amorous reason. They were loaq and it reL reuont*3 beautiful wosaan. I rea3lyr really went for thaa. I rexlly likad them a lot. Tt:o way the girls iooiced an3 the btautifui ciathes, I even sent Ecr the note pa~1er. PHkL1.LS T. LZRI$: CSe 4 JC}tNiti4Z ?f. f3OJ=Oti, UP. N
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I 2 3 4 5 6 7 & 9 101 I li 1ti 13 L 14 15 3 $J 17 13 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 D21jaz.ition of Hose- Cxpo31one 7i02~ They Ca#nti out iJita t1ottC p:3p@r with tTIe tOoLGt3a with waBh boazd* and dvinig tht drudjery varle. I ttta4ght thoy vero ceal.iy something elue, a A What srt tbosa? ThQae ake copies 4f not* papers that I bro4ght and showed to you . Q What att those notts t6at you bro;agAt taazy? A T3seao are m axcuue see ay voicer, bQeauscs i*a 3osing it. Taz3e are conkez oi tae nate pa2e:;: #.A4t I sentt tQi :~ WisarZ dif.i you aezsj fur tho:~e7 A 1 don'C reaily zaeawi ttj,2 Jatr. 1'wa rka~ ti"&e4 &wtiiiu. I Qay't l i ve ycau a c g .4te. Q M y Were t:xj6e aent fVe jur lnv t63t dur i ny the t,iea :har you vore as,v;iinr Vitr;inia S4iraa'Y A Y*a, at 4 wa:}. : 4ne roaao.-i fr.,t switc niri-~, You zho: :jac. L :.c; wzre A Gh, y*S, Q Giarsoroua cigarett !? A a A and Yees. Any other reason? That's aboUt it. no ctt r ctive I thought thaj vace marvelottz, sv iong 0 . a . D~a you remom;?ar an=F particular as3a azaat Virginia Siizs? Fii-iLLI-S -&, F.z:;IS, L:aa JOAi.::S e,. 93Us'-L"Oit, CsA
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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 104 15 25 17 13 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Dei.oaLtion of Raae CiP~0iAane "rl04 A °You'ycs cvae a ian~j way, ba~jy,' that I I zame4aer the man thrc,winy ttle larSy Whaa 21,z$ was wz.shiny clothe;2 anl;: threw her #.n tue wash tuo or zo&erhinq. A3th.ough old ba; that women are nott suppo3ad to amoict, the,3ibecata3 Xaman, the body Pajaaas, I even Yent out anf3 bouqbt psjabas to look like that. It's stili in Qy oloacQt. ~ Do you reea32 any ot~er advartising regarding Virginia SJ.im ;:7 A TAoy kzro vary pretty Sirla: very oeaut.if4l Ao;iel--, be4ut3fu; ahoa4 and 11>eautiful r:.tottxina; I rell yoa, this; reaily yo* rue. I thQU;hL they v4re really b~airiful anu I baid, i'm goinq t3 sWitch. ~ A,~ nttra~ctkv~x ~o.3a1, atCr~::c~ve ci.qaratte? A Ye .1 . ~ 7ar,t' s the aniy reason yoa sv;r.che:3 to tt:e m? A aure. Q i'i>U j0#iit ki3oe aiij' other mo83r1tgE'a in t'tte 3ldilartisin:j? A z was a linaratid woman #or aqmktny those aiqaret[es. Really, they w+rra very attractive. That's rbat made me arwitah and they rrore thia and they werQ iang. It Yas a longer oigarsttQ* I tbia3c it raa very with it. I thought I yas very with it it I stjotw3 thea. 0 wuuls3 you dascrSLe the aly4cattes? You aaid it Waa ;crngec du a fi}.tec cisa:ette? FUYLL13 T. LSWIS, CSR A Jt?A&ityc^, 4, HoCI'3r,trs CS:2
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r I 2 3 S 6 7 a 3 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 I$ 23 24 25 aOPOLttiQn of Roie C1pa13ofta 7M A Y03. 0 Can ytw rie:.cribe rhat the Eiiter 3uQ4ad lfke7 A A regular Filter, reguiar filtar on a s:i;aratte. Q What kin-3 of soatariai* on tho cigaratte? 4% I ddn't" kn.ow. I dido't open it up. Q You don" t have umy laaowlodget as to Yhat was in the filter? A I didn't pay that much att$ntton. Q Nc,-wJ ion~~ ~;.,i you a4oke Vi rgini,a S2 icnFO A X think antil at)~)vt 1972. Q Our.tn4 th3u per iod ot rime y:,;a eont;.nued a:aoki:ij, d4 yva N3d Lb:4s iJ1.th cT :r1AYiifiaw $L' -A PS1' :K WIt: I'i :iaik a day? A Jh, yOa. ~ Ana mayL-v: y" ~ig:~c gmt 3o~:r, a~: 3.ui: a.; a~.:~c7 A Atx.i ya u;,a aa Aiciil A4 twv pack::. 9 An3 you wuuz4 A ;ure, 9u vp a5 ti }.j:1 at t'#,7 Pi.,a:5 ? ~ I thought yQa told us fusr maxiauA wai. arouri.i a pack an3 a hasf? A ft's ac3cordiny. Und+cr certain e.ireumatances if I vaa socially out* affairs, wa:Sdinga ind you take one aiqaratt& af tar the other. 1Z Ar,d aa far a3 you inhaiinj Qr aaain scaoking: that con:inaed ha3fcal3.y aa yos had rfrow tito time you +:~40kiny3' stax Lec4 t3Ilkj„LIS T• CS:? i 3t3AN.iS 'ri• HOt#IS'1'ONs, C5lE
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 a 9 10 11 12 13 14 1J 1s 17 1s 19 20 21 2? 23 24 25 Depositio3t of Rose Cipolione 7106 A :di.drt't chaitt sooko all the time. I ocossionalli vQuid cY,ain HAQxe, but .I wou3d s:A4ka. I inhaitd vhen Ismokod all t~ie tize. Q You imale3? A Ysa. Q b'as tbara any periQd of time vben you talt ttnasual tension or atraG2? A Well, I ynt sick I think it was 1$64 or '63, 1 had a gatl63addur and pleurisy aRttack at ti,e oa:ae tiiiae arz3 then I haj to hava my galibiud3or razw,~oa, t#R. ~,'l~W,:,: I thin;; wa raad thie TAUS YYU``.L S Yes/ we i#41ve. pteviauj~iy. HR. EDELL: Let's Goritinue on pa•;e 138, line 53, 42. Q Wau there any period of tiaa diri33c,; the 19631 tha%, you caen ras:431 vhan you b:d your rmoking from your busbar.d? A t1a. Q During tne 3.960a at what point would you have your first ai;arsttr? A Y don' t know. Q Do you recall whathat your bvaban£I was at hoz+r when you had your ftrat oigarattt? A My buaband was very rarsly at hom* Ln the waak daym beaause he had aarly cal: in tha ahop, so ha usuai.iy Yaa gone hy the tima I got up. PHYLLIS's T. L&"rI3.S'. CSR 4 Jfl'Jst'$Yw ff. HC3UViOa. CSR
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F 1 2 3 4 5 i 7 a 9 1 0 11 12 14 113 16 17 1e 23 24 21 Depowition of RoUe CiPQ13,3cse 7107 Q .dtzart tize would he got hoM* usually at night3 A Itarious i,.imea. 0 Did yau have dinner fo: h" xhen he gut bumej, wn$.z he came home? A Every ereoing. Q nid you have dinrMr =ogether? A Yes. 0 Did you smo3ce aftor dinner? A Xea. ~ Wa3 t"AL in bfg- pr$4encrc? J 7uring thia Pario:i ut t.ias+s, 196050 were tnere s~ci~xc periods tef tim~& that you rli:€ not uaikst? A I dwr. `; reta*:;!)tr. ~ Di.si yoa azoke ail sriiiiQ you were fae:I~n4 yosr cnildren? A. Wnen 1 waG fee3ittci the.:z? Q A NQ, I didn't SPUicO wnile I was zeeding thes. Q Did you bave any particular babita during this periW- tia4a that you tritdo to break? A I trie;3 to eut: dowu on ray aso3cing. iwasn't very xcuccsasful, It was very hard. Q Any other habits that you tried to break during this pvrioc3 of tica? A Mi. p:=a15 Tr LE'tl )* CaR sTUAti;<.x'. }Fe• Hc.~U's'ii.~~i t~it CSR of
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aspasltion at_ Rose Cipa3one 7108 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 a : 10 lI 12 13 14 11 1C. 17 3v 24 25 Q • Any charege in yuur bobbia:a? A No, ~?. ~BLLr ~ir. Parriah, I ~ae2itv~r t~a ~n~xt ~a~tis~t~ appears at page 203 and .244: Laginninq at tha line 359, 1lR. Pa1RRX5Rt YoQfl3 caad it later? HR. WELL.: Yeah, I'll.raad it later on in the transcript. Ibe3iavs the aa2s with with regard to your de5iynatioz thr"Sn pac3e 145, line 27, 9b.._ 1-!?. PAAr :Srit That wiii be raad later? MR. Lr~:e.~,x Yea. tSR, A::ARt<i:Y} Yo4t Honur, I triin4 taat Yf:at t:r. f;dfil haa can pa,ja 1U, 3C9r 17 appropriaLe,y anouau Ge rijlit now Ln iiylnL of "e aection Hr. We.z:. jUziL raa:i. T13Z CvURTt Ole :.Qrty? 17. rea.l MR. UhR:7:Ys Yes, iaye 362, line 17, in i,ii~nt o: what wda juat re.&J at qa~4e - at tha pro-ce.31n3 pdre, TIM CJi3R:3 So you want 3u9, 17 toroug:: 25? KR. XCAR.REY s Yas,r ,Taclge. THS CUURTs hil right. Raad that pow, !!r. Bdal:. raq* 143; M. II0ZLLs Yhank you. Q yvu tesstified that yOu tried to cUt doun vn your smo`r.in-j in 1947 wwhen you *ore prognan: with your first ehild? A Yez, I did. P:!Yi.t,IS i. Ld'TI r, CSR At JQP1N e,-'. P!• HOU.`i'a 3i:. S.,'sI't w
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L I 2. 3 5 i 7 8 9 1!~ 11 14 15 16 17 3G 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Detsoa i t i©r2 of Roje CiPo1.i Gflc 7109 Q Anci y0a did that wit2i ao4icr oucctz4? A AT1L:1 St13}e su=qasSr 0 Did I un3erstan;i you to aay thlat you t.riea to ca : dvvn- again at aowe iater dats3 A I don't' recaiy that. FlR. ZzELL.s Nowo, we'r• at page 145. Q You mentianad that you had iaiaurs time activftisa, that you likad to read, you iiked to play the piano and yau told uz aa sat Laa::e. Ware the:e aay otuer: iaSasrr: tirae aQtivitiau? A :{o. I wtill continuaJ to r$a#, i'z a very avi3 realer 4n3 a' reaj a ir,t ot M&yazinkd. I uaea ta go to thra bosuzy ~jariur once awec;;a i 31aj my tia z r;3ozze u;Aua l.t yOn EIr t ray ari:3 txave my hai r f i xt"cl for the weeken3. Z'i rocaa juagaziries in tht beawty par+or. WLrsn you ait un3or tne Jryer ZvosiJ raa:3. I aivaya rvaJ anJ i atili do. I have loads oZ zagaxine4 an3 ooogs in ;Ay hoa4e, ai: L-ypes Qf may&sri.rsQs. Q About bow ottan would you say duriuq a year you You3d play bingo? A auring a year? Q Yas. Rauqhiyp yla. A Wtil, soraatf.mas I'd go once a+reak for a couple O: rronr.be an3 ao:aati:aes i wcul;3n't gca for rionttis, so I really cou.~dn't uay bo-d much in a p+ear. Zr war. accor3in,; to wnen I PHYi.LIS `2t. L41JI.rir C5i1 JOFi2tN:;: A. F30usn:ti, CssA
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paegsition af Roaa fitpn.ilvn$ 7110 1 2 3 4 S 4 7 3 :k 11 12 13 14 16 17 Ii; 19 20 I i 22 23 24 25 could yo. W4A th4t fairly co^.atant that yoo woulrl be playirig bingo :Y;ta a,ng thc year tzum iSt'i0 to ••-_. A t3o, sactatizes I vould juat rtop for *=ths and not go to biago.- alR. ZDEt,.Lt Tha dsaignation at page 147 ap2aaca ia aubstance at 162 thro:iqh 171. Ti:B C4URTs Read 34$. ;inzat abaat 147? MRr One fi7rty-a$lYB:1 i3 a1 portlon thJt jL'tb'i'i~i-- hay d$e:i9n2ttttd. KR. i`ARRZSUI I dan't .... C;3s.rs'.t You`re ci.qht, Thia ta ouxi ar:" yuur3 f C3:. iUw3 30, bcvea. TH"I" COXtT= Aa;r o.jec:tion Lu p*stponin; 3t, i.r. Parr1 sii? FIR. $i~,~RZii;s !'4)* TUW Ct3GRTr Wiere are you pickinii u;p. :#r. Z,1ai31 tut. WELL: Picking up at 2,50, line 275, 20. Q Did you aver mak• anlr other attampt to quit A Yss, 2 d i.3 . Q Wben would that have bean? s40king? A i beZ ieve that wau in tho miduie ' 6t3a or so. Q S4 fru.a 1947 unti.i the rQid,~:e 'GE}w: you never radl,: 3rt}t ot.her attuApt to guit aaokinq? Pii.i.L1S `i'„ L'f3'RZS, CaR i JdANi: H. H'JUS'70,$d, CS L
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I 2 3 4 5 6 7 a .q 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 I7 i3 ft 20 21 22 23 24 25 Depozitfvn oZ kuUO Cip-01.tonz 7111 A No, I didn't. ~ Jid yuu vvsr try to cat- ciown dur.ing that psrivu of tiae? A Soaetiwad, nat- sUcoeasfuily. Q What woaId prompt you to try to eutn dorrn and Whgn, if you can tei3 ss? A Wsll, '1'ony was- aiways attsr me to stQp srsoking, he rsally waa. Uin there were articlss about t#sts that thsy wsre doing with monkQys and that wnoking was no qooJ for t'sa lungs and it caubd,i r3iueszez, h*art di4enae, c:ancer f- nr';• Jzi,i :;.d= Your Honor, next piarezon, staine UbjeCtiG3n. iuE Co'JRTt rro4 Kherrs to xher&t^ Art. SILFSNs Page 476, 13 through 277s three, aure TliE COUXAN Let aa read it• pi,sbao. OSiia,[r4i:ldlr Itll per3i:1~'t it. ~ Caz you be mor s apmc i f io? A There were nssrspapar axticies, thar• were TV articlts, tb+ers were raJio artic3ts, hnd, of courae, I told yau that Antonio alraysi uusa to draw my attention it he saw saaataiaq in the paper or he&rd so=oth ing, Of cootsQ? I didn't vant t~> baliava t#a&t beCaUse ;t waa very har;i to quit ans I f iya:sJt haw trus can it be if Pi3Y.L.LIS T. LW:3 iSt Grk # J0A=1.1:: ?t. I3O;3S'rt?i-t. CSR
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 a 9 10 11 12 13 14 3. 5 1& 17 13 19 20 21 22 23 24 23 I Deposition ot Rost w,ipollone 7112 they scrapped a roinkoy 24 hours to amachine3 Of course hk was going to got somettting. AnJ X f igureti I'rc nut strapi>ad ts a macthine and the Governaent v$a- tbsrt and tn¢ra wsa no real pcoof.. 'i'obacca cowp$nies Wouide't do anything that wa: going to kili yoo, as 1figured, so I Ligurad until they prov+ecl it to me, until they proved it to aa to be reai, r didn't taka •it sar irwBiy. 2'a tfeing very honest with you. Maybe I didn't want to berJ, leve it. Q when yowr rjuz1>ans would paint tha3a articira:: ont ro your ai;: yoa raad therA? A I tell you, rtot- in iront of hi.w I voj3datt. I wr,uidn't give tilm the sativfazttnn, i,uC I did re$J tha;n and Z d~.3 iiaLea.- But whes he waa acourvi he woui3 dra,; tay atrention an:i I would make excuaos to leave thQ roo~a or z'J uay, yez: Idon't uant t4 hear that. Aza t.bat's that: Q ti,'hw.. peria3 0Z ti€ne are we tal6cinj a:~wt wqan yau wOu:.;i 8ei tlit5e kiiida os artis:ie:i? A Thiu isr I`il adyr throuy.x tte middlo iSna anc3 '7pa and until I got the cancer. fl Did yctu read artic3ss prior to the midd2e 'S0s? A I don't raally recs11, 1 don't r4cal1. ~ If thece yQre articlea? A If there wer* an art.c.io, Tony would have drawn xy attention, tu it, believe ". Q And you would have read thez? FHYLLiS T. I.E'RIS, C;.1: 8 JflANUi. M. $aU$TJ€4, CaR
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I 2 3 4 S 6 7 a 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 2Z 23 24 25 vak-~o4,ition ot Rpet CipulLone 7113 A And I would Y,awe aaJe brtl3.aue I rtidn't reu3 ttxam. Q A.z3,e in fact, w"2d hsva? A Of course. 0 Or if thoy had appoarad in articlas in aaqazia*x that you normo3.iy read? A 5ura, I would re&d ttbsm. I rcwldntt toli hia. Q Could you to11 me same of the aagaainau that you aubkscribod to that bad azticles of this tyPe? A TAere wera articlea In thW a iot af a4ga:.caea. I coaicia't specify. There were ao r,any mztqawsnea thuL ca:;4 e in aral out oE zy house. There were aagazinea in the beauty Varicir, Atl the ;.ugaxinaz that I grevio=avly aenLionaci, aoAat a£ thei had articaad. ir) fa~t, lrst-s Q£ them had artic:*i. A-ra t-10 ye-ats kent by yQo awv taor e antit rjore artic3asi &n.1 jaoze on TV and ;4~are t*at3 anJ you saw :aura smonkeys and xhatever. Q What motivata3 you? Wa4 it theae as ticiaa that ra,ativatcJ you to try to cut down on yo ur sLawting3 A I yas coughtnj, I vas startrnj to coulh and I uuaj to have a pain that was x#.ke on the right aide of my nec3c, I r3on't k now it it cam e from my aecic down or from hor+a up, Dut hi I ng. was coug And I tall you th+t truth, I was making novinas I va~u so scsror3 aoaetfmea t,ha: z waa getting sick and I usec; to make ail_ tin;ia of promiae4 to lsod if he didn't let me have cancer that Iwouiln't do this and I "uidn;t do that. PHYLLZa T• l.l::Mc., CS^ ra 3oR:3?3S 1'i. E3CIJ:iTOF+, C3:n
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1 2 3 4 S 6 7 8 9 10 11 1 ~: 13 14 15 SG 17 is 3.9 20 21 22 23 24 25 U'aposa,wion Ot Ro:»,4 Cipo,ilane 7114 T3aL L never kep: tit2 pzo:niaa and thaz'a terriDle, oFst I'm COi3a{3.iL1Ci4 it ht2C£t. PIR. F;DIZLL3 bagir,nin; at line 570, 2 thraugh 575, ton. We don't believe thatt it's appr4priate for co:nplatenau3, your Hunor. TUZ COUM Yocs'xe not reading it at eo-ne Iator date -- latsr time? MIR, Eazs:.1 That' a cos ract. The, C::U:fiTi Your }:uustion, :-ir. Patrl.sh. :iFt. PAs:'.'~si~ ::3'.si~::3 i3+3 ' il tt13+`` ~.+ki't is1 .'~:ii Cit;xee T.3: COURTs Ais rigY.t. T.zanh y-~,s. Tnat is thrssj•;'-a? ii'R. i:DSLLt Line ton on pa<;s 15.7. 'Ytii. COURTi Ti!ltik yQLt. ;~ Y" riaJ a;~ain in ysur neci: arWQn,3 tnut tt .a' T54 R:ADU-1 t I a.: svr r y. 4t:st 1 in;4? :iR, F.DwfLr 1590 A In tay throa;:. Q in your throat? A Yer. Q You aagociated thet with ssaokinq3 didn't you? A I thcwghC it van a little irritated, yes,_ Q You got a 3,ittle scared? A Yes* vcry. 0 Ani3 Ytrak to chur chF PHYLLiS T. L:.~4+:S, C:;Ii b 3OA:'`INS A. WUSTO?':, v3F
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1 2 3 4 5 0 7 e 9 10 12 ~ _ 13 14 ls 15 17 is 23 24 25 Dtypsltion of Rc40 cipoltonv 7120 A I couyh more, Q War+ it a qialu,;is iucrease? A Yen, gradua2 inareage. Mvre cougi3xny.. I would cough raor e. 4 Did you• fver take any medicettion for your cough? A I usod to buy coughcfrops anr2 I uaed to use tboice or Gucrtte, icsop thes at wy bedAida. Q YoQ manti4ned yo4r daughter or one cf your daughters on yflar COUy:i. A You, ~ Wizic:h c3auy4ter wa3 that~ ~1 F#a~~llt~. ;~ Did any othor meakaers of tnc iaz:iy ever ctxr"at on ycwr Cc:;.t:jh? 11 ;-iy isv'Oa3nw. Q wiiat wuuid your huaband tai; yr,u a:,out yo4r oosgh? A He to3a wo to stop sast€nq, you are cough4n-3 too wucn. 0 pi.: ho telji you that aLout the time that you Sicarte3 to cough or what is it at scme point later? A Yea. When I atart*r3 to cough. Q Did anybody else ever cossm*at on yout cough otAer than your daughter an3 your husband? A ny son might have. 0 You have previdusIy testified that *han you vero having your c*4c;h that you ta*cama very concermat;I a;~out your heaitn I:=i'iJLi;3 if itwi7iSt CSii JQAIa-C. M. FIOU~SPO?d. CS"st
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I 2 3 4 5 6 7 a 9 1+7 12 3:* 13 14 is is 17 ls 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I DaposiL#on af- ROB$ CigoLIOnd 7121 anr3 your uuokS.nq. iu that co; c ect? A I btc:affie uancsrne-j, yes. h.nci you oegan to fear tbat yuu havs right Is thst correct? A Yes, go.t c3rtctt. Q That was around the time that your cQugh started. It tbat correct? A Yau. ,'i: . x 4ra Parrxsh I tainx yocr read Yn 21 Chr•fluv4 4 prevxou::Iy. P.n• PAIRRs.Sri; 1.1, Filt. F,mWLLt P4°~a ],&8. Mh. PARRI5:ia 'i'aat h3s ali bacra read. 3ut. i.Dz:.f,3 jaat 3.inew 25 thrcruga 4. HR• t°AlR13=s; I ram nc-t sure 6:iai ;uast3on aa'l anasrar iiavt been rsud; I eion' t knaw. Q And it's youa best recUliection thae iG stbrted sa-4oti,ae in the sixzie3r but . you don't know whether it wa4 be£tire or aLtet your yallbladdsr nurgory? A Right. Q Did you ever bave 4ccasibn to hear the Surgeon 6enerslts Report on smotin4? A Oh r yea. t} Di3 you t}ear a:;out that sppraximateiy at the time tae reporC was =de pu:~Iic? PHYLi.Is s . LLr4I:,, CSs'i 4 JDAIMMS M„ HOU::TO-N, CS;
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P L I 2 3 4 6 7 a 9 10 13 12 i3 14 2a 16. 17 13 19 20 21 33 23 24 25 Dspouition of R04s C%P0i3aA2 7115 A Yoa. '~ Yau ats a religious person yU;i t'jid ua? A Wit 1'.oL} VaLIaC.C1s p But you wsnt to ahUrc4? A Yss.' p Yoa said Ro3rarsas, you said a sartss af Aavsnaa? A Oas. 0 You- traid ma,, yoa3 eafc3 aors than one. You SaiJ I vaZ a4king nowena&. Woren: t you ref err ing to more than onc nosena? il~lVC:1$ X:a a t12ne"'d$y s@rifir`a 3J sD:u$:.i2"u$6 ;'3QL#pi+3 Ca,Li it anovrna or cxQ;ta.narz buL it's nine daya, 0 YOU wanL t;trrsuq4 tI¢ nina-day sqrisa7 A 4Yeu. Q Wito did you :aags the nravona to7 A JL* Ju3a. I p3ay &t. Jusie? A I like him. Q You iilct St. Jude? A Ysu. 0 You said to St. Jude in ahurch, you said it8 shouidn'tt lst you ha•rs a.acaar. Did you- aay tbat.to St, Juds in churrn? A I hrayad that I wcAiIJWt hAsra cancar, Q Yvu said you wsrs gaa:e-3 aitd you h,3:, ina CQUghing snd PHYLLI5 T. L94s3s C5R & JUANN!: M. fiUJSs"Ot7. CSk %j
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i)tpo..itioa. of lwae Cipoilor.a 7116 3 2 3 4 5 6 7 s 9 Il ld 13 14 is 16 17 13 19 20 . 21 22 23 24 25 the pain in youc throat? A Ri y tt t. AR. MZL;.t Your F€anor, it the doEendants want to read it n+aw, lQt- tb*m raad it, because it is too out-- of Context in .ttras of trytng to ask riu+ratiorca.,,_ I thtnk the t+enor of the questions -- TU8 C4aRTs lou have no obj*ction to it- baing read but you want thara to rsad' it? A:t. :DM4W Coxrect. THU" C(?URT& Kx. Parriaa. KR, PARs'tISkix Nat-ce wc,uld you 3.i#ce zQ to stop? Mn, £DELLi I bf#ait3vC litls t#fu. 4R, Ph't:tISKt Wt, EDEL:.I DesijndtS:,xl 9Qaa through 165. iCoun;:ei conier.? N.z"#, PARal3is; Ouestion; AnJ w:zcn y4u wece ta.tking to St. :u64c it wau a saricsuz raatLer tor you thon, wasn't it? A Wer,t3, Idon't #snaw if you know anytuing ab%,sut :ay raliqion and maybs I viil clarify a point or two, A seint aars only lntaresda in your bahaif. Rs can't do anything. 8a can inttrceda for you so you ask Ais to intercede in y3jr bshalf, 0 Whaz was it that you wanted him to intere"a foc you a"ut? A That I xoildn't be siCit,_ t'cr"IfsLIS T, LZ.i3, CS:~ rk JOANt?`s f1. fln=,i: fiJIN. Ca :
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I t I 2 3 4 S 6 7 a 9 10 11 12 11 14 15 16 17 iC. 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Dapo; at3on of Rose Cipallont 711? c~ You vou3dn't be sick witU lung sancer, isn't that truo? A That I wouidn't be aick, ya3. Q You wrantac3 St. Ju3a to intazcecia for you hacausQ you were afraid of qatting lung +atr,carr trueY A Yas. I• was. Q And you knew you could die from lang csnaQr, trua? A oA, yta. Q And you knaw at that time tnat- it xas the cigacatta ssjoking that you wars afraid ~;s cauuiny yoac iunj cancer, ivn't thsst trueT A Yci~:. Q You wgren't teilinj or rhia saint to, intecoedr fQr yuu witt Go:i anyrhi.a4 trast w,as false, vero! you? A ;Sit3 . 't .40nt t tl'i i nX ~'r;3. Q YoJ re.il:y b{1:}.@YiCd at ths,lt tYaEd tnat yov CSJitid get z2cX, xrix., cigar*ttQ sauoking, dfdn't yau? ~N Let's aay I was afrzid of d=:at:i, -jutt;.r~g &ick. S~ You were agraic3 tif qartia4 sick to the poinu Y:ere y,>U went to a aasut to intercede for you on your bot3azf? h A+ghL. Q Ian't that true? A ?ao. Q You were zvriouz about the Uct that you thouyht yo:r c:ctusd gat sick ir" smoksn,? A You are gainj to fool arQjnJ wita o sa:nti t?f courza PFiYLLIS T. LUi S, CSR siV'J.?Toiil as
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Daar,uztion o£ Ro;~v Cipullcut 711~~ 1 2 3 5 6 7 g 11 13 14 i '3 1" 17 11~ 19 20 21 22 23 ^4 ~ 25 ic3a Aro 4eriou;;, ;~ F-: t'ia4t tiraC- you ti:,Llri`t tci"j. t:he s:aizYt that yuo thoUjat cs-40ratre:~ were s4Z~e, S.d you7 A Did 1 te31 thu saint cigarettes were aa£e? Come vnr now, give at a br*aks too, Iwas going to say to the sairit that afgmrettes are srzfe, St. JaJe? Why would I go then7 Phrnge tha qaestion in another way. Q DQ yod mean to say taat vhy vwaid you: go to St. Judz yoa £~~ ~. Cs.~~r~ttt ~wure aa£e? 14 t.ra:, wkat y3a Wean t,,y 6&r ? t; ,L wea gcrirs;; to c.:j aa*.y wouI:: z;o zo ;`.t. Jude it I W4a:44 ` t a ;, rxr.J 2 ~ Y33 wtcar aEruici bos:as.ie you thou3ht c:€yarette:; were ia3k 't t:aL. F.C:Iei i:3:1' t that #l tact? A iwas Atxaid ucOdjz-k: I ilsj a paLri in ~91 throa., arz:z I :aijZl`t VarsC tO 9UL aiCk. +:l ~t12'et::0s? A FrGx c1y3retCes. Q It ra4 not in trie tac;cgrauna of not kriowiay about cignrettes. Yau vad read the Surgeon Ganers3's Report a4 it sppexrecl in the nwspaper. Isnt t that true? A Righr. Q Y4a Aa.3 uQSn teiksrd to by your txunbanct tve yesra. L&:z' C citatt true. A WcjrrQc4. FT2 i I.~i J. s 3. L~,'. :'t' i a, C;.-Y C M• Il.iy2lllJN" CJ)C
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i 3 4 5 5 7 a 4 20 11 22 P 13 14 15 16 i.7 ia 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Aopv4va«tion a# R0s? CLP0l1ona ?119 You 3iad avoi~€ed taiking tcj +ioctors abcaut cigarettQs, ibn't t1,,at truc:? A Correct. 0 5eoausa you didn't rant, tAeM to tell you not to szotct, isn't that true? A Correct.- 0 X beiierre you previousiy tsstif.ie~,i tbat you began to d+ave.top as sraoker'a cough in the sixtiesF Q And you ,coai-.-Wt rec&L2 waether iL WAVI traf0ra or after you: gati bladver oporatian7 A ahat'a ri,4at, 7 datl't i°I3.. ED:LLs CoutJ yoa dOSCri:9-4 taAt Cough f•a z me Lr+sa tiao staci:Spoint al tiaz zt . A clironlC co49h, r3id it oti:csr at SlarEicueat ti.40:; oE Lt16 c3ay? A Y'yt>.Auir3 Coagh :aoat:y Qt t1xg~At. ~ Tat ear3y evenfng or_ morntng? A Late eveniny, p Was that bocaua,e you smoka3 wore in the lat• Owenin~i or do you kno+r? Do you have any idea? A I bad a dry throat. It was iiice a dry cough. 0 Did you ever ce.k any troatm.ent for the cough? A Ho. Q ai:3 tho cout;,h gra3uaily get aorse Sr rras it about fine sarne fro2. tho tiae it startoct ui~ to June a: '817 P'iIYF.T.IS i'. LLi:Ta. C3I2 a JOi4:i:.~ 14, HOUSL Ot;, CSi1
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1 2 3 4 3 #i 7 a 9 10 11 12 13 14 la 16 17 110 19 20 21 22 23 Z4 2 S aeposition of Roae Cxpo3.lorte 7122 A Yfts. Q flLd yOU 8vOr uavc vccaasioo to ra$d that ropor t? A I b6lifva I 3ia awd they bad a big thing oo T.V, about it. Q Haw ciid you happen to read the report? A My buaband broughz it to my attontioa. Q Then you got it --- A The +rho2e report? : Ye3. A Na. I rao.3 the artsclo ta tiYe paj~er about it, „ Ja yau recai3 that the repart, that toat repart_ taikcd about iung cancoiT A 3I c3o re:%-a:i tu4C it otationed iung cancei an.1 it meni:ivna.3 hoart di4ejae an,i other tuii:y :. ;~ OiJ yuu ttoiiQve what Gtin suzgeon venarei so Ld au0a+t iunj cancar an;; faaart riisaaao3 ~ IJon*t icnoq, I;iwn't sran: t~) Geijavc: It. u iiuL did you? A I don't know. I really don't know if I b;eliaved it or not. Q hut you did became afraisi tnat you wight got cancer? A A Iittle. Q An3 you were saying nover:ass thot you vouldn't get cancer? A Th4t ia ricint, PHYLLiS T, LE.ii;3r C5R 4 ,?OAN:' : M. FiOUSTon, C5a
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DOPQ4~ition Rt kvsQ wt?ui3ane 7123 I L 2 2 3 4 5 6 7 a 11 3. 2 13 14 15 x-G 17 23 1s 20 21 22 23 24 23 w yauu also rgcail vhrn a wflrn»4 atartal to appear un 0ig3rtrrLe packsges? A I don't rssaiiy rec.-aii rvhen it startad to apr,xssr. 2 But you• did see t t? A Tss, it- wras on tisa side of the pac3cage. 0 Do yvu seuembar th* waruing, 'Cautiont Cigarette 3aokinV May II3t Had-oardouw To YouEr flaaitM'? A Yaa. Q DO YCt2 iLFiGi%,9 WLi,3t thaL• "dat? A ibit s~:crkirt;; was .farayerous. 0 1'0j kr.aw 1Lt;f,j cancer, A I didn't ii you eorctinavUl to s4a~oke that you tsi%iat qtt rJi:3n't you? JQt1$vfz it. 1~ !.i'.i11s yRJS4 k;)y:V t1•iLEe sM+D V4 powli`4Yli.M1bf i A I stii t wouldsa° t oel.leve it, Do you racal•I that a few yearn 1a,ter tne watniny wa:. chan,~od to reaJ, 'Warr.ingt The Surgoon Cenera3 i;as cfeterminea thar cigarotte s:aakinq is darigarvas to your hsalth'? A L didn't c.cali. X dida't evEn aotics that they ahan;ad it. Q You didn't read th• warAiAg3 A Once it was on the packaga I d idn't open the package and look at. t4e warninq and read it evary tima I sraaked apa.:ic of cig4rattcs. it wss tbers. P:1YL£.xB T. LZ4I9, C.~'.R Jt?AlINZ M. WU5-&Ga, C.3?
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i I 2 3 4 5 7 a 9 10 I?. 12 3. 3 14 15 17 13 iS1 20 21 22 23 24 25 Dopozitio» 0: Rose Cipo,llone 7tZ4 ~ lt was on the outaic3o of ti3o pacxaga? A Tr4t ii r igat. Q So Yoa icnow it wnzvthere but you just didn't raad it? A Atght.= Q Did your buab3n3 point the warAing out to you? A On the cigarette package? MR. E"3SLLt When it changed? Ia that rrhat you are taiking a"ut, rtr. Northrip? t:R. N3:2' c;RTPY At ony tiwe. Ti tIy buS3baY1iS iiU'3 alwdty:+ wjillLiiZg out to as ai)4Rf+''. cLUarettc3 an3 tho warninja. ;z, You kaaw bac'r, whan t3z* Surgaon Generai's r+e;~-ort an•3 Waen the Varnlm~ Zirat werit on ttsa j~ackago tiaat t-qo Su.r$ec•n Genera1 believad that iit you .:ontinuQd to aQaka ys#u aigbt ,jet lum3 caneerr, ciidn't you? .~ I :ion't know if I bceiieve:: that. ~~ You icner.4 it was w4at tha 5argersla Genera1l believe;: thau4i~r dxdn`t yo"? A i as sure that I didn't want to balieaE these rarainga. 0 You didn't raRt to? A €lxaetly. MR. SiLrSUs Your gooor. Pages 172 through 176. TFIE COJRTa ObjacL€on overruled, 1U. SILPUNs Your Hunoro aray we come u,;T tTba foi.irr.ring takes piace at sf.da bar. ? PUYI',LIS T. LEs;IS; CSR & tiF5F.:itk:: A. i#fJsJ:3`i3::. C:3P.
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Depouition-ot.- Rose Cipailonct 7121 I h .. 3 4 3 6 7 e 9 1! is 1f; 17 1 t3 19 20 21 22 23 24 1S THE CO;YAT{ Yes, mr, Silfsn. MR. SILFEN3 WIthout 2imiti.ng =} OL)JeCrion to any one sentence, let us look at a sentence on PagQ 175, the last teL`ttorir ThO qu*atifln was s You continued to ara4Xe just ar, auch art- yoe had b.en, and the answer was, I was surs if there was anythFng that ~'langsro4a, that the tobacco paopie woul3n't allow it and the'qovecnateat wouldn't lat thea do Ltaat. tvoW, yvUr 3Qnuc. if thare is enythin•;, thak is a riirecti a;sd sxpiicit dirtczicut that th* qovernzent hadn't donO tnou9iz and the carspanios tadn' #. dona •noUgbt tnat it it+ 8y maki.ng that point I don't m£taa to suigest. that there wax aizy lesn rrbjecti.on. I would aoqtjest i.f tharrt is any senze to the state of ms.n.: ru~.a, thafit we 2savtc ta have the ua;a4 iine that- we bave in other areas vith thicc state ol! ralrid. Arsd that ie vhothsr, what We are hearing ht.ce i* being offsrad for the truth or being parc*ir.c3 by t3a jury being offered for the treth and be perceived as a state ot Mind. I tbiak what we bavf kero is the witnass, Mrs* CipoZlone, tt2ling the jurors that not only that th• was- nislad, that the warning was inaccurata, that is the questian she ra4 as#ceJo that th6 Govern:a+entt didn't do enough, and that the tsi"caa cam~iteniet didn't do snough. PIfY3rLI6 'X's LCUIS, C5R 4 JO.'3Wt01 V1„ ti0t3SY't3N, C.J~a
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1 2 3 4 S 6 7 a 9 _ IQ iI I•. M 13 ii ls 15 17 is 23 24 25 I Deposi txcn of Rose C3Pa.i1ont. 7126 And I sru+.~goat to your aonor tuatt that t~i gainy to be perceived by th+x jury an•3 irt3et3 it was treant foc the truth oi the matter anserted, anc3 whi.3e I cannot deny tuat it relates to a state oi aidst, I would think if there iz anything tYsat is not going to surrivre in tbis: transcript it i,s th Qse four pages. tiR. EDULLs I don't vn3erst ancl this objection. Zt ras h er statar of xin3 at. the t.ime. It waa her underutanding and i »prej: aon and b*iiaf. Iurz'z th4kt w:kat we a re wit'.a iiere & riJ bec ovaluation oE th* infoxmatioa concerring tne health hararc2zi of Ligarette aaui~+~!, sne jury eart't unSerat.and vt3p her avatai peaceas Lr:J:a ber ovt saoat'r3, ; Jon't un,~Iecztaaa taow we are goin3 to ba gL:ie to try tn a cd'34. It c:.ear2y fail:u within the iitat cat*qory uf y c,ur r ru-in,,, and wa are n3t *ven isieatifirincj a:irertiain,~. T H 12 G~U I:11 " z r$:a VoinV to abide by my ruia.ng. U•rerrule t;ie o;}jection. I thi k C ' n Mr. Si1 en s objactions aro raomatainV we +rill bave to deal with in the final instructionls of thg 2ury as to the purpoa* of it and I thi:zk Ihave already given a 2iriting lnatruction which accuratsly aits it forth, but the objection is overruled and I will permit it, MR. KFARNLY& 8cr%$ of the ttatimony deais with ttrs. Ca.poilone's rricoiiecti.on Of S+aaing a ro.aan on 20-20 within a few aonLhz of her depoGi.tion yhicii had been after tni8 caze PFYLLI:i T. LM4I3, CSR & VV(t:3lYL H• HalSdLliOlit t..IS"'si
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I 2 3 4 S 6 7 a D 10 11 12 3. 3 14 15 !C. 17 1-3 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Depo&itxon af Rue Qipoilone 7127 begrcn, the woaan Bappowedly repreaentiny tho To1aacco tnat.icute oeing intarviewad.. Does that relate to ber state of mind at a time that this is ai3l rtlevant- to this caae? Zt rrou3.dtt•t. Ti3e aase was a3reasiy brouqht. 5uie ha3 sLoppac3 aeokinq and it was a few iaontbs liefore hs,r depoaition waa taten. What 1a the pro5ativet -- MS.z whLTER3s They are askinq her what types of A5J t3.R. XEARN","Yt Sha aaij Chot ia L'nc: 0a3f t~li,nq she ca,i r e~CaL l . i.iV ui.+.L = ii0, PiN. t:.'LLTCR?'f Scia sai.d srie saw tnFrae t,tasn•iw oz T,V, ali `e:lCosiM.t1 tIIQ 36i3»t1etio 5evlnti&€"i Ila.l t31-jhti631, ii2Z COJicTz All x ight• Ihavo made Cue ru: in•4} MR. ;1ITZEUt 4ne i~zint. As imi?^,.3rtant aa tbe instrcuction, mayhe taa ";ina: in wai.ch t.,ese pointa ~. ~ argutd, an:i I thirtA t,hat i,s in CiaBifiq aryumonta, I thiin:y that wili be a critical iixua that Me art qoinq to bewe to deal with. THE COUST& I ayree, tEnd of side bar.? MR« ZD?.LLS Que:atioas 3b your knoviedqs has anry tabacco co4pany or any repreaaotatsva of cigarette szanuiactuzerrs eva, representgd xn any way tnat tha warning PtiYL,LIS T. L.r.;:IS, CSR ic JOAiII?3M' K. DJJ3TON, Cw a r i . ~ ~ ~
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3 2 3 4 5 6 7 3 10 1I 12 13 14 is 15 17 10 19 20 21 22 23 24 23 Deposition o€ Rogie Cipa2ione,- 7228 on ciyaretta p-ac»tages wh icc: you have ss*n are ir,a,=urate3 A I do:t't kaow . Q WalL# do yQu knvw ef any occaaion Whan such a representation has Deen sadeT A yts.- x• recall,_ There was a representative €rom the tobacca coapany on televisiaa and they stated ® rather shcr itated ttiat ther* WA3f AD- proofr Q &tha was thate if ycnt.- recaii? A Id,6>n't kn.W her name. She v44 swoaart tnat r~pre:~~r,t. i c i$ the t o b aL v c a mpan z. 0 5he s:id there ara . nsa pro:af? A Rig:at. There waj reu pro c:f that. Q when would th4t na ve bec n? 1L Npt;L ta:3 lGnq u~jo, ~ :os 5ay nat to-.) 3o ng aga . Doe, t't3aL "an wsCij.n tia i"L year? A 1*3, I wouid say rrithin the lai*.t cr*upie of raobti3s. Q is thaC the first tisue t hat anyWJy frm E.ne tobacco cozpany or t.prosentativa of the tobacco company haa ma3~ any stattqe!'!t. that would in anY way indicate that the rrarnin$ vas inaccurate? A No. I had read artfcles in sa" newspapers, sama of the ansciers to those storiQs. 0 Can yOj tell so about tnusa* pieage. A I aouiJn't spociEy oecauae I iread a nuabor - read a PFIYLLIS T. CSR Jt3AsNNi R. UOJb"i ON. CZR
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1 2 3 4 6 7 a 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 I. 8 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I nai'ro:;ition og Rosa Civalione 712) nuw!~~er of brticlaa whare the Tobncco Irc3titutm or the Cobacca cozpsnf Anid thara was no az-ecific procf that it cauuej cancar. Q When do you recall that you raad tho&e? I am not aakinq tos you the d,ay obvioualyr but a periocl of tiara... A Walle I couldn't qivs you a dstl. I thiak. this was in sixties and savffinties, early sightias. Q Do you rscall any particular coaapany aaking such a sttaC*~ZentY P, tdc. i uo11' t. 09ay. Do you rocai,i anyvod;r, an b"'azui: or the tvoacco instituto other Cnan the ia:Iy you toW ue out saying Anything co€c4raiy to the karninU laL~al ti3ak a2peara4 on c3larDtte paci:ages? h DQyo;xmeanaa;ocifacperaon? Yes. ri :VQ• • dQnfi. ~6CQ11 it SjdeCJriiC J~~:iJ0{t. out I LJAj reSZ'.1 articiea like Tmantionei to you where tbert wouic3 ua isaues that were b3rov$ht up about srcoking being hasarc9ous or being not healthy. 0 Causing lung cancer? A And +Cauaing lun9 cancsr, hoart diaeaae, blaci3st canc+cr, tb#.agz like that, ahd I rsmam':.~ar roaJin; acticisg where the to+bacco compaiaiaa or the Institute of Tobacco Cami'~aniea or au:athing to that erfact,r rePused theze arkl aaij it hal bad PHYLLIS T. LM113, CGR & JOAMiw 9, NOUST'JN. CSR
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I 2 3 4 5 7 B 9 10 11 12 13 14 1s 16 17 18 23 24 25 DePoaition- cf $oza CiPo114as 7130 not been proven specitica3ly. I raad artic:.es Iike thiz ind ihear:: the;& on T.V* anr2 on the radto. Q Wtsat perioi of tibia? A Rs I said, during the sirties, Late nixtits, early 5evertti9s, Ar~! up unti2 just a few or couPIe of Montn.g aga. 0 And when the Surgeon Goeeraits Report lirst cae out auci you heard sboutt it and you fi.rst, sav tbs warnings on cigarette pactsges, did that in any way iapact on your slacsiiny? A It didn't make an impact on my smuking bu:it c4id tri(jhtey ae a ilttie. Q Ujt you continuerd t4 amoi:e just bs ivuwl 66 you ba:: ueen? A W~.~ii, I waa sura that iff there vas ansfthic,~; that 4anycar.ous thAt kk.e to"cco poaVyt woaldn't miloe it arti tae yovern;aent woQian't Ia:t tbem do that. Q Okay. Did pou cr,naidAr the possi:rility tnat ths govcrn~ant: might have pst a wacning on to aiitw yo;r to w4Xa & free choice -- make a chotce? A I nwer thought about it that rayt no. Q When the warning aane out on the packagls and when the Surgeon Gonerai's Report cama aut, you continued to smoka and didn't try to cat dorrn ar quit, is that rightT A I continued to smoite but I did chsnqe brands af cigarerttea, z was smoking cigarette& that had filterar- rigarettas that haa reces3ad fLitera, ciqrsrstCRz thaL were PF3YLE.IS T. LINxS. CSR 6 30x.,;n M. flJusTONJ Caa
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 a A 10 11 12 3. 3 15 16 17 ls 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Doposxti,on o€ Roae CipoIlcne 7131 advert,Latl to be low in tart and nioatine. Dr. 4ovy auggested to me tttat I chanye my branj of cigakrettu3 . 0 But the 8argeon General's Repart caae out in 1964. Is that correct? A R3gbG, Q And you vere szaaking L&M cfCarrttea at that tine, is that correct? ri I Watt axg4i.nGs ~ An.a ha,3 t~ean toc rartveral yaarz? A Ye~. ~ Yuu raidn't aako afty trio chant*a in your braad +sf cigarettes urti:ti 15M is that correct? h ~ guess so, ;: So foL &rjproxi*usi.exY Four yeura or three or tiaur y~~rw atter yvu hsve heard the Surgeon Gancras' s itc~s t end tLaw tae varnin4 on tae packac~ea, yca Jic3n' t zske any ihangu in your szoking habit. S* tnet cocrect? A No. I kept smQking. Q And didn't cbrsrty+e yaar brand? A r oight have tr isd other brands but I didn't specitic-a2ly smoks any other particular brends otber than what I to?.;3 you at~wvut. 0 rou were przawrily s:koking i,&Ws during that per3.rs~ o£ t zu~.~? gtiYLLIS T. UNI:., CSA JU JNaM; M. ftOUS3`ONr CSR
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Dsposftion ot. Rosd CipoliQns 7132 I 2 3 4 5 a 9 10 ii 12 3. 3 14 is 16 17 22 23 24 25 A Right. ;~ SAa+0"t in t.~2 Leto SLxtias you xtsrrad to ii$ar zxatament4 from sos,o s:omdartley but you don't knw wh;crt on+ss. Is that cor rect? A Did you tay acrmpaniQa - beg your pardop --= TH2 CCWRT= That Yas tba queactionr 4 Did you sal aoraptrni.sa? A I irelisve there tiere tobsoco CaaPaniss Ctut rsre re£ut:nti,; L4e findin4s of the auroeun Gcrneral sn3 sa:2e othQr doctors. Q i3ut you JiJ teill we you didn' t kno-d wha:' A Y04. 1 CAl1 't 8peCitj vhG. Q TnaC was 3n the lar$ sixtia-a sad sevsntiza I baL3evs you s'A irl 7 A It kas iti the g3.xtioa. Let`s put it zhat sray. Trie SLxCiO4r StvftnLte:: and up until a fes: montaa ago or veatb. ,? T'>Ae only ttairtc3 You CA:i sP4eifiCakly raoaii ia thar tray arw say,ing that it hazn`t baorr proven that oiqacatt* slaO;ciar4 csused thoae dissaxaa. Za that correct? A Correct. Q Do yoo recall ars:ing the inti-sraokiAr cowaorcisls on ttlevision7 A Yas, *~ Did your husoanc3 Puint tilose out to you? A Da»fn 3.ts1y. ~ C!1 Gb q,~. YJ FUYLi,IiS ii Nr.'ti;r7f i.S:: 11( JVriisi'a..t Cls i71.iUbili.iiil CSR 11 lY
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I 2 3 4 5 6 7- $ 9 13 11 12 13 14 as 16 17 13 19 20 31 22 23 24 25 Dti?oaitis+n rrr 9009 CiPvll4nc 7133 0 Did ycxt aeo do.:tors on tilose, da you rtcall any c3octora on L•bose? A Dacrors wisera? Did Z go aoa a doctor? Q No.- Talkiug ab*ut wheA you saw the anti-amotcianq a;is or coamerciala on televigion did they hara doctors on tbea7 A I don't recall. I know they started to have T.Y. aowmercia2a about it's your breath or it's your litt, the Lung A6soCiation of MorLci I think was 8tarting to Qiit ~ fi.r3~:~~ ,il T. ±i. it3a~. I r ~}ci'~1i a Q Can you tell me any sptcilic r3eazagez containel in taoya a3a? ~~ xt'c a matter of iafa and breata. That Wau on* Of 014 aioans that they uae3. it'a amat.tsr Of lifc', anJ brea:tr.. 0ifi:zrant taing4 like that sort of taing. I know my grandJaughCer ca~;o i3 o:ae to ae one day wszeri i iit a cigarette bnd cNQ aaid, Grarr:~.r~a, smaking killa. CMiidren wer-e 2tartrny to got edacctte,! ia achooi aoouc aaoKing, so i,3zRre rras u- Oit about anti-r:aoking, yeg. Q When ws were liniehi" up before the lunch braak You m+ada r.ference to beurfoq somehocly froa the Tobacco Iastitota. Is that correct? A Yeu. p Did y4u aay that was a Isdy? A yer.. Q Can you toi awot did you baac thia peraon on ra3:o or PLiYyLl3 ?. LE»'T Z, CSR 4 JQ1tN?dz H. KOUST*N, C::2
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aePOUItton of Raaa Cipollone 7134 i 2 3 4 5 i 7 a 3 20 !i I " w 12 14 15 irs 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 2s T,v. A I hee.rd hac on T.V. Q A 4 Did you aea her then? Y"r I did, Covid you d#scribe h!r for a*, pisisa? A 0 Sbe was a Yo&An of the blacic f+ece. What kind rtif a program ras sbt appearing on? A 30l20, Q 20l20? Q COLt1J yvu tell we about the progra:z? .Jas r: hc- on bJ herseiP Oc va3 zomasne intervieWai9 her? r'1 ,,~7t?ita@,r,rne 1Jd3 illt#..v1eWin:) her. 3 tmre tney interviewinq ot:her persona? A Were tbey fntcrviewixt,3 aWhcr persarn: Lra:a zne To-*acco inat:tutet I c3on't know what you aiean. ~} OthCS thaa PaCSox1G w3.Cti tne i3:1y frt?ia tLitt TatABCta7 IttaLltute3 ,k Sh4 w&a the oaiy raprfesntativa of the Tobacco xa6titute, Q Wza there anyana slsa iie4ng interviewed at the sane tizo$ with bar? . A Not vith her. She vas alona wtien they iatervie.red her. Y Just an interviewer and her? A 1'es. PiiYLi'.VZ3 'P. L+Ms'ISt C,.~'isi .T©A!Vai INl. E3Ot14'rO:[0 C.b"P.
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2 3 7 0 I1 1M 13 14 15 16 27 I" V 19 23 21 22 23 24 M J DP; eiiXt,ioQ vf Ro4e Cipailone 7135 TFiZ COURT: Is tbi3 an aPPraPriAte tirae to DreaK for lunMh, Hr. E:3e3l? g+c. .L; Ptno. Tal3 CQUit:s Me will break aoW acd raauMa at-t:25. A2I rise tvr the jury: Plvaueo- iLunchacn rtcsaa.? W Pr3YLLT3 T. LZ;1r^, C:3,e ~ JOA,°;:,:: tt. HOUSE'oEi, c11JR, t1T

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