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in Re: Mike Moore, Attorney General Ex Rel, State of Mississippi Tobacco Litigation. Cause No. 94-1429. Deposition of: Parham H. Williams, Jr.

Date: 01 Apr 1997
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r'~ i1 • -. Mississippi Tobacco Litigs~idoi.- ~ .. ~ ndenseItl r'` 2 IN THE CHANCERY COURT OF JACKSON COUNTY. MISSIS3IP PI 3 CAUSE NO. 94-1429 S IN RE: MIKE MOORE. ATTOR NEY 6 GENERAL EX REL. STATE OF 7 MISSISSIPPI TOBACCO LITIGATION e 9 10 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAl4 H. NILLIAN9, JR. 11 12 DATE: Tuasday, Apcil 1. 1997 13 g 9:00 a m 14 1 s TIM : . . 16 LOCATION: Flnanaial C.nC.[ 17 SOS 20th Scr..c N. 19 Dlcminqha+e. AL 35203 19 20 TAKEN BY: Couns.l for ch.. 21 Scat. of Mlrsisslppi 22 23 REPORTEO BY: TONYA BYNUM I STIPULATIONS 2 IT IS STIPUTATED AND AGREED by 3 and between the parties through their 4 respective counsel that the deposition of s Parham H. Williams, Jr., a witness in the 6 above-entitled cause may be taken before 7 Tonya Bynum, a Shorthand Reporter and Notary s Public in and for Jefferson County, Alabama, 9 at Birmingham, Alabama, on the 1 day of to April, 1997 1 commenctng at 9:00 a.m., 11 pursvant to the Mississippi Rules of Civil 12 Procedure. Page 2 Deposition of: Parham H. Williams, Jr 1 Billy R. Randles 2 SHOOK. HARDY & BACON, L.L.P. 3 One Kansas City Place 4 1200 Main Street s Kansas City, MO 64105 6 7 Deirdre Fox 8 KIRKLAND & ELLIS 9 200 E. Randolph !0 Chicago, IL60611 11 12 For the Distributors: 13 14 E. Brooke Ferris III I S GIBBES, GRAVES. MLJLLINS, FERRIS, 16 HORTMAN & HARLOW 17 414 West Oak Street I8 Laurel, MS39441 19 2o Also Present: 21 Sandra Burley Paralegal 22 Ness, Motley, LLoadholt, 23 Richardson & Poole 1 Reported by: 2 Tonya Bynum 3 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO 4 1030 Financial Center s Birmingham, AL 35203 6 7 0 9 Page r Page : 13 13 14 14 t5 Is 16 16 17 17 18 18 19 19 20 20 21 21 22 22 23 23 t APPEARANCES Page 3 1 INDEX Page 2 2 3 For The Plaintiff: 4 Susan Nial 5 NESS, MOTLEY, LOADHOLT, 6 RICHARDSON & POOLE 7 151 Meeting Street, Suite 600 8 Charleston, SC 29402 9 10 Cindi Anne Solomon I 1 NESS, MOTLEY, LOADHOLT, 12 RICHARDSON & POOLE 13 151 Meeting Street, Suite 600 14 Charleston, SC 29402 ls 16 For The Defendant: ~ 2V~'~St. T.ouis, MO 63101 21 22 23 3 Examination by Ms. Nial...... Page 07 4 s6 Reporter Certification ....... Page 243 7 EXHIBITS _ 8 9 Plaintiff s No. 1........... Page 12 to Notice of Deposition t 1 Plaintiff s No. 2. ........ Page 47 12 Letter dated 1/24/97 13 Plaintiff's No. 3......... Page 50 14 Letter dated 1/3/97 is Plaintiff s No. 4......... Page 63 16 Ltst of Matenal Reviewed 2(F- RU16 Zb'jb)-r4JEzpeff StatP - a8~ 21 Plaintiff s lvo. 7 ... 22 Statement for Serviees Render~ed 23 Plaintiff's No. 8......... Page 138 Page 1 - Page EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation I Report by Alan Rodgman 2 Plaintiff's No. 9......... Page 180 3 Memorandum Opinion and Order by Boyle 4 Plaintiff's No. 10......... Page 225 5 Statement Concerning TIRC 6 Plaintiff's No. 11......... Pag e 227 7 Frank Statement to Cigarette Smokers 8 Plaintiff's No. 12..... :. Page 233 9 Background on Cigarette Industry Io 11 12 13 14 ls 16 17 1s 19 20 21 22 23 CondenseIt! t'" Deposition of: Parham H. Williams, Jr. Page 7 I Mississippi. 2 MR. FERRIS: Brooke Ferris 3 representing the distributors defendants. 4 MS. FOx: Deirdre Fox from Kirkland s and Ellis representing Brown and Williamson 6 Tobacco Corporation. 7 MR. RANDLES: Billy Randles from s Shook, Hardy & Bacon resenting Lorillard. 9 MR. NEWBOLD: Andill Newbold of 1o Thompson Coburn representing Lorillard. 11 12 EXAMINATION BY MS. NIAL: 13 Q. Mr. Williams, I wonder if you could 14 state y9ur full name for the record? 1s A.Yes. My name is Parham H. Williams, 16 Jr. 17 Q.Thank you. I've just given my .la appearance. As you know, my name.is Susan 19 Nlal. I represent the State of 20 Mississippi. And this deposition is being 21 taken pursuant to notice, which if there is 22 no oblection, I will have identified as 23 Exhibit 1. Page 1C ........ .... .... ..~ . ._ 1 1, Tonya Bynum, a Shorthand 2 Reporter of the State of Alabama, acting as 3 commissioner, certify that thene came before 4 me at 505 North 20th Street, Birmingh s Alabama, on April 1 1997, beginning at :00 6 a.m., Parham H. Wil~iams, Jr.,' witness in 7 the above cause for oral examination, s whereupon the tollowing proceedings were 9 had: 10 1 I PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 12 was duly sworn 13 and testified as follows: 14 1 s MR. NEWBOLD: May the record show 16 that my name is Bill Newbold, and I 17 represent one of the defendant~' Lorillard 1a Corporation, along with Billy Randles. Bill 19 also represents Lonllard Corporation in 20 this deposition. 21 I would like to say for the record 22 that thisd~ osition shall be governed by 23 paragraph 13 of the order governing access 1 to and use of material determitaed to be 2 privil and/or confidential. 3 That means that the entirC 4 transcript and exhibits will nemain 5 confidential for a period of 14 days after 6 the date the deposition transcript is 7 received. 8 Within those 14 days, we will 9 designate the specific exiubits and/or pages 1o and lines of the transcript that'we believe 11 to be confidential material and notify the 12 parties. 13 May the record also show that in 14 the list of materials reviewed by Dean i6 thelbook I io v~nvas~"'ThotiyCigare~ttt Papngers," 17 which.he h,as nwiewod;ZINMothiag~ 21 State of Mississippi. 22 hiS. SOLOMON: Cindi Solomon with 23 Ness, Motley also representing the State of Page 8 Page 9 1 MR. NEWBOLD: No objection. Other 2 than I will note for the record that I wrote 3 a letter to counsel for the State of 4 Mississippi advising them that we had s provided two da s for Mr. Williams' 6 todast Ap th they ing Monday the 31 st and Y 8 t take exeeption to that portion of 9 the notice which says, quote, for the second 1o date to be notified at a Iater date, close 1 t quote. We feel that we have offered the 12 witt>ess for two days and that the plaintiffs 13 have elected to take only one day. 14 MS. NtAL: And of course in 1 s response, statemcnt on the record from the 16 State, as we have advised defense counsel, 17 we believe that the documents were not 1 s produced in a timely fashion. 19 And while we understand that the 2o defense counsel objects to that 21 representation, we reserve our right to ask 22 for a redeposition the second da of this 23 deposition. So this is the first day, in t our opinion, of this deposition 2 (Plaintiff s Exhtbit No. 1 was 3 marked for identification. A 4 copy is attached.) s Q. (By Ms. Nial) Mr. Williams, I 6 understand that you aro a lawyer. However, 7 I'd like to go over a couple of ground rules s so that you and I are both communicating on 9 the same level in this deposition. 10 Firstofall Iwilltrytobeas 1 t clear as Iposstbly can in m questions to 12 you. And I will try to as loudly and 13 as carefully as I can so that you can 14 understand my diction. 1 s If you do not understand the 16 question; that is, the substance of the iZ questi~on~ 4pl,exse let me lasow. If you can, t 21 I' 1l be happ to give you a break. `I don't 22 want to ~ you uncomfortable or cause you 23 any stress. If there's any physical reason Page 1: Page 1: EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 Page 7- Page 1
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation CondenseIti m D_pt o sition of: Parham H. Williams, h Page 241 Page 24 t inform you that, as we said earlier, and t CERTIFICATE 2 with even more force, we say now we haven't 2 STATE OF ALABAMA 3 had an opportunity to review Cha pt ers 7 and 3 COUNIY OF JEFFERSON ~ ~ 4 8 to formulate questions for Mr. Williams. 4 1, Tonya Bynum, Shorthand Reporter of s And we wlll lntend to do that and s the State of Alabama, do hereby certify 6 notify you subsequently ~of a date on which 6 there came before me the aforenamed 7 we intend to continue this deposition. I 7 deponent, who was by me duly sworn to 8 understand you object to that, but I want to a testify to the truth concerning the matters 9 make that clear. 9 in this cause. 10 MR. NEWBOLD: For the record, I want 10 I further certif that I am neither 11 it to be clear that we told you that we 11 attorney or counsel ~or, nor related to or 12 would make Mr. Williams available on the 12 employed by any of the parties to the action 13 31 st and 1 st. You selected not to use the 13 in which this deposition is taken; and 14 first day of the two days allotted to you. 14 furthermore that I am not a relative or ` 1 s That your objection about the late 1s employee ot any attorney or counsel employed 16 production of documents is in that you had 16 by the parties hereto, or financially 17 not sent a notice of the deposition to us. 17 interested in the action. 1 s MS. NIAL: But you do agree that he 18 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have set my 19 was going to rel on Chapters 7 and 8 and we 19 hand and seal tlus day of t 20 weren't aware o~that until this morning? 20 1997. 21 MR. NEWBOLD: 1 agree, yes. As I 21 22 told you, I had inadvertently not included 22 Tonya B ynum 23 that in the paper. But I'd also like to ~ Notary Public 23 1 state for the record the book, "The 2 Cigarette, Pa ," has been sitting on the 3 floor behmdu since 1:30 this afternoon. 4 And in the last three hours, you s have not once reached for that book, much 6 less used it in your cross-examination. 7 MS. NtAL: But I will put it on the 8 record that I could hardly be expected to 9 review Chapters 7 and 8 and ask questions at lo the same time based on the documents that 11 you have pro~uced. 12 MR. NEWBOLD: And I would also 13 suggest that, I'm sure as it is no great 14 surpnse to you, that you could have looked 1 s over a co y of that book this morning and 16 over the lunch break. 17 MS. N1AL: Actually Mr. Newbold, it 18 was my understanding that he hadn't reviewed 19 it. And I was going to ask him about it. 20 So be that as it may, you; ll receive another 21 notice. And you'11 do with it what you 22 will. 23 MR. NEWBOLD: As far as I'm 1 concerned, this deposition is over. 2 MS.NIAL:AndIwantittbbeon 3 the record, of course, that this will be 4 continued on a later date based on the late s production of documents. Page 242 Page 243 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 Page 241 - Page 24,
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95},T1C Mississipp Tobacco Liti ation I Q. I wonder if you could tell me, 2 Mr. Williams, if that is a true and correct 3 copy of your 26 (b) statement? 4 A.Okay. s MS. NIAL: (To the court reporter) 6 And if we could identify that as an exhibit. 7 (Plaintiff's Exhibit No. 6 was 8 marked for identification. A 9 copy is attached.) to (Deponent, reviews document.) t t A. Is the questton, "Is this correct"? 12 Q. Is that your 26 (b) stateznent and 13 attached CV? 14 A. Yes, it is. t s Q. I wonder if we could talk a little t6 bit about 26 (b) expert statement. Did you 17 prepare the 26 (b) expert statcment? 1 s A. I did not. 19 Q. Who prepared the expert statement? 20 A. I do not know. 21 Q. Who did you receive the draft of 22 the -- 23 A. My recollection is it came from t Mr. Newbold. 2 QDid you make any changes to the 3 26 (b~ statement when you received it? 4 A. reviewed it, and tt was in accord s with our conversations. I did not make any 6 changes. 7 Q. So would I be correct in assuming 8 that the 26 (b) statement accurately 9 reflects the opinions that you intend to to give? t t A. Yes. 12 QThe curriculum vitae attached to 13 the 26 (b) statement -- who drafted that? 1 4 A.I did. 1 s Q. And is this an up-to-datt 16 curriculum vitae as of today? 1 7 A. As to present positions, yes. It 18 does not reflect the change that will occur 19 in June. 20 Q;And the change that will occur June 21 of this~ year is what? 22 A. Well, June the Ist, I will become 23 the Vice President of Chapman University i C-H-A-P-M-A-N -- in Orange, California. And 2 Dean of the Law School there. 3 Q. Congratulations. 4 A. Thank you. s qAnd what moved ou to leave lovely 6 Alabama to go to California? 7 A. It was not an easy decision. But s Chapman offers a unique challenge and a 9 wonderful opportunity. It's an old, 1o established university started In 1861. And t t it has a reputation as a quality academic 12 institution. 13 Just two years ago, the trustees 14 and the pr_iesident decided to start a new law ts school. Ths is an experience'that I have t6 not had, but it was one that was very 17 intriguing to me., ' s et~~vw.d~::iSia~~ © an 20 requirennicnts leading to provisional aporov 21 of the Law School. And I suspect that s why 22 they identified me as having had some 23 experience in the past with that. © CondenseIt! T'l' Page'l Page 80 Page 81 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 0 sition of: Parham H. Williams, 1 1 So I saw it as a great opportunity. 2 My wife was excited about it. And aIl my 3 children wanted me to go, so I did. 4 Q. I'm as ng that the experience s that you're idermitifying that's going to be 6 helpful in your new post is the experience 7 described under academic consultations. 8 A.'Ihat would be particularly useful, 9 yes. 10 Q.And you've spent a lot of time t t reviewing the accreditation status of a 12 number of law schools; is that correct? 13 A. Typically, those site visits last 14 three to three and a half days. Then there ls is an intensive review of substantial amount 16 of documents, and then a report is prepared 17 based on that. 1 s Q. Will you be teaching at all wheri 19 you o to Chapman? 20 A. initiall . 21 Q. I wonder if we could talk a little 22 bit about your bill, if we may. This is a 23 document that was produced to us as one of 1 the documents relating ~ to your testimony. 2 (Plaintiff's Exhibit No. 7 was 3 marked for identification. A 4 copy is attached.) s g. Mr. Williams, is this the bill that 6 you ve provided to Mr. Newbold? 7 A. Yes, it is. 8 Q. Does the bill until the last 9 date on the bill, 3~ up 17/97, correctly 1o identify the time that you have spent 11 working on this case? 12 & Yes, it does. 13 Q.,How did you bill Mr. Hewes for the 14 ~etmgs and telephone calls you had in ts 1994? 16 a A similar bill. 17 Q. Do you have a copy of that bill? 1 s A. I do not with me, if that s what 19 you're asking- 20 Q.I note that you're chatging a 21 little bit more for this work. 22 A. Yes. Because I will give testimony 23 in this case. 1 9. So when you actually have to 2 testify_in court, you charge $300 an hour? 3 A.Yes. 4 Q. How did you determine the S300 an 5 hour chacge? 6 A. After discussions with, primarily, 7 Mr. Ferris and subsequently with s Mr. Newbold. 9 Q. Is there anything you would like to 1o add to this list of expenses and time spent 11 on this case? 12 A.I don't think so. I hope I didn't 13 leave anything out. 14 Q.I assume that you intend to provide t s them with a bill for yesterday's meeting? 16 ~ I do. 20 21 Eena bxa ~a't_djpursuant to <. d from whom did-you receive ,s a Ct1CCK7 22 A. The check canie from Mr. Newbold's 23 office. Page 8 Page 8 Page 8 Page 79 - Page 8
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation I the govemmcntal agency. I'm not sure that 2 it is an impropriety if tFiey do not. 3 QI thinlc we had finistycd discussing,, 4 I believe, your November 1994 discusston s with George Hewes. Did you meet with 6 Mr. Hewes after that telephone conversation? 7 A. Yes, we did. I met With him. And 8 in fact, we had a full-day meeting. 9 Q. And do you rerall when that was? 10 A.I don't recall the date. But it i t was in late November of ' 94. 12 Q. Do you recall what issues you 13 discussed with Mr. Hewes during that 14 full-d~ay meeting? 15 A. We reviewed -- once again, he gave 16 me background information about the 17 litigation -- about the history lof the 1s tobacco industries litigation and regulatory 19 controls. ; • . 20 And asked, as I nxall, from my 21 knowledge or information about experts who 22 had special knowledge about legal ethics. 23 And as I recall, I gave him a ~ ,ME i recommendation. 2 Q. Who did you recommend? 3 A. I reconunended Tom Morgan, who used 4 to be Dean of the Emory Law School. And as s I understand, is now on the faculty, I 6 believe, of George Washington University. 7 But I'm not certain of that. 8 Q. Do you know whether or not 9 Mr. Hewes ever contacted Mr. Morgan? 10 A. I do not. 1 t Q. Besides giving a recommendation to t 2 Mr. Hewes for an ethics expert, what other 13 recommendations or information did you give 14 to Mr. Hewes at that time? 15 A. I think that was it. 16 Q. Was that the day on which you t7 discussed the affidavit that you later t s drafted? 19 A. N0. 20 Q. Besides the teltp hone call in early 21 November, when didyou discuss that 22 affidavit again? 23 A. Well, I didn't discuss it again. t It was raised for the first time in a 2 telephone call from Mr. Hewes in January of 3 '96. 4 Q. And who drafted the affidavit? s A.I did 6 Q. Did you draft it on your own? 7 A. If you mean did I personally draft, s research, and type, the answer to all of 9 that is yes. 10 Q. Did Mr. Hewes review the affidavit t t and make changes? 12 A. He did. 13 Q. Did he make changes? 14 A. I don't recall if he -- there were ts several drafts. And each draft was subject 16 to review and ons, yes. 17 . Q. And besides~- Ivlr, Hewrs, did anyone 1 .E " e1Se ILVteW our Il T ~ ~ __ ----s. "RoyRnew Caen ~ :f-,`: :; Cond+enseIti Deposition of: Parham H. Williams, Ji Page 37 Page 4 ~ Page 38 Page 39 z;_ _i-_ ..uiw~ rept nt tg at 23 ~ese the time? 22 Ms. McDowell was u Q ~ ~ 21 Waslungtoii. ' EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 to dtd apyone else review your affidavit? I 1 A. Not to my knowledge. 12 QAnd when did you complete this 13 affidavit? 14 A. My recollection is it was in late 1 s February of 1996. 16 Q.And did you forward the completed 17 affidavit to Mr. Hewes? ts A.I believe I sent the affidavit 19 to -- I think I sent it to Joe Colingo in 20 Pascagoula with a copy to Hewes and 21 to McDowell. 22 Q. And who does Mr. Colingo 23 represent? Do you know? 1 A. I don t nxall. 2 Q. Did Ms. McDowell make any 3 recommendations of changes in your 4 affidavit? 5 A. As I recall, she reviewed it and 6 made somesuggestions, some of which I 7 agroed with and incorporated. Some of which 8 I did not. 9 Q. Besides Mr. Hewes and Ms. McDowell, I A. He was associated with him. I do 2 not know which client specifically. 3 Q. Did y,ou read -- first of all, do 4 you know if there was a brief or memorandum 5 that was oing to go along with your 6 affidavit'~ 7 A. Yes, there was. Well, I take that 8 back. I know that there was a brief of the 9 law which had been repared. Whether it 10 accom anied my affipdavit, I do not know. ii n:vewodythatrbori~e~ ~~ or not you 13 A. I reviewed a memorandum which was 14 provided to me b Mr. Hewes, as I recall. i6 thaQt ord ~ issues discussed in 17 A. Well, basically, the one that I is have told you about -- whether or not 19 representattves of lawyers or lawyers of a 20 private party may contact emp loyees of state 21 government to discuss with them issues 22 relating to litigation between the private 23 party and the state government. t And specifically, in addition to 2 obtaiaiag infonmation, also secure their 3 services and in some instancts, as expert 4 witnesseS. s Q. Upon review of that memorand did 6 you make any changes in your affidavit 7 A. I don't think so. I think that s what I did, if I recall at this point, is 9 that ftrst of all, I spent some time tn the to library I spent some time on Westlaw. t t I did review the brief or 12 memotandum that was rovided to me. And 13 utilizing all resources, Ipthen drafted the 14 affidavit. And I can't tell you now what t s caune from which source. 17 theQme or~aadum?st in the drafting of I I did not.,_. . ~ 21'° " A I`do ilot ° 22 Q. Prior to your research on the law 23 regarding contact by defense counsel of Page 4 Page 4 Page 37 - Page i
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'~T`-'-t~~-i :.tt: ~-~ Mississippi Tobacco Litigation t in response to whatever advice the lawyer 2 might have given. 3 And there, where there is action by, 4 the client, then I would think the exception s is triggered But if the client does not 6 accept the advice of the lawyer for whatever 7 reason, then I think there is no triggering s of the exception. 9 4. The kind of litigation in which we to are involved in this lawsuit is publicly t t or -- I guess you might -- yeah publicly 12 known as smoking and health jitigation. Are t 3 you aware of that sort of off-the-cuff term? 14 A.I'm aware various labels apply to t s it in the press stories. 16 Q. Do you, yourself, hold any opinions 17 regarding the hazards associated with 1 s cigarette smoking? 19 A. Can you be more specific? What 20 sorts of -- 2 t QD~o you believe that cigarette 22 smOlClng causes cancer? 23 A.I aon't know. t Q. Do you believe that cigarette 2 smoking is addictive? 3 A. Is addictive? I do not know. 4 Q. Have you read any medical articles s dealing with the causal connection, if there 6 is one, between cigarette smoking and 7 cancer? 8 A. By medical article you mean one 9 authored by a medical 3octor and published? t o Q. Or a medical researcher. t t a No, I have not. 12 Q. When you were being interviewed, if t 3 I can use that term in n;ference to your ta meetings tobacco lawyers, did they ask you t s about your personal opinions regarding ts cigarette smoking and health? t7 A. I think they probably did. I don't t s recall which meeung it was. 19 Q. Did they provide you with any 2o information relating to the tobacco 21 industry's position rcgarding the 22 relationship between cigarette smoking and 23 health? I a'I7tey provided me the materials that 2 ano on that review list, some of which 3 indicated that position. 4 Q. In your opiaian,if a manufacturer s is aware of the hazards relating to the use 6 of its product, does it have a duty to 7 disclose the information it has,regarding 8 the health effects of its product? 9 MIt. NEWBOt.D: Object to the form of 1o the question -- the use of the word "duty." t t Q. (By Ms. Nial) Do you understand 12 what I mean by "duty "? 13 a I understand what you're saying. I 14 don't think it has a duty. t s Q. If asked a direct question, does a 16 manufacturer of a product who is a aware o 17 a hazard associated with the use of its_ ,: ® V-II32l$rbWXeoCt3LG(1 Wlth IiX'i Y.1D ol 1 W vI 1 product, is a manufacturer that knows of the 2 hazards associated with the use of its 3 product required to disclose that CondenseItl T'' Deposition of: Parham H. Williams, b Page 127 Page 13 Page 129 t tnformatton? 2 MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form 3 of the question. Asked ~y whom? 4 Q. (By Ms. Nial) Please answer the 5 question. 6 A. You're asking -- I assume you're 7 askin8~for a personal opinion from me -- 8 Q. Yes. 9 A. -- as to that. And again, my to answer, I think, would be there is no duty t t to disclose it. 12 Q. If a manufacturer promises publicly 13 to the public that it will disclose any 14 hazards associated with the use of its ts products that it discovers through medical 16 research, does it have a duty to disclose 17 that information? 18 MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of 19 the question -- the word "promise." 20 Q. (By Ms. Nial) Do you understand 21 what the word "promise' means? 22 A.I understand what it means. And I 23 think you're referring to the Frank i Statement, as it's generally called. 2 Q. Well, first I'd like to ask you 3 generally. 4 A. Well, I would have to know what the s term "promise" means in the context in which 6 you're using the question. wero myou ue tion e~ lltl ~ Yo unce 8 ans d more 9 specifics• i~s that corrgneraect? y 10 A.Qht. I don't know what the t t nature of the promise would be and how it is 12 expressed. 13 Q. Have you reviewed the Frank 14 Statement? 1 s a I have. 16 Q.In your opinion, is the Frank 17 Statement a promise to the public to provide ls information relating to the use of 19 cigarettes? 20 A. No, it is not. 21 Q. Assume, if you will, that the 22 cigarette manufacturers did make such a 23 promise to the public and then did not 1 fulfill that promise. Would they be 2 violating some duty? 3 MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of 4 the question. s A. I do not think they would be 6 violating an duty. 7 Q. J_By Ms. Nial) Have you ever smoked? 8 a Yes. 9 Q. Have you quit? to a Yes. 1 t Q. Why did you quit? 12 A. Well, this was a long time aQo; and 13 I didn't have a lot of money; and it got ta expensive. 1 s Q. You weren't concerned about any 16 health effects of cigarette smoking?~ 17 - _ ~ yph, I suppose I was to a certain ' .r . RrV Q~ o caioettlo ou~? 21 A. Well, I had developed a hacking 22 cough, wtuch I found troublesome. 23 Q. When you quit smoking, did you have Page 13 Ln N arn m ~ -R EDMONDSON REPORTI'NG & VIDEO, 324-2333 Page. 127 - Page 13:
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: :,- Mississippi Tobacco Litigation i Exhibit 4 and Exhibit 5. 2 Ms. tvuL: And Mr. Newbold, we've 3 clarified the issue about the list, have we 4 not. 5 MR. NEWBOLD: Yes. 6 Q. (By Ms. Nial) Having reviewed those 7 two documents and with the addition of "The 8 Cigarette Papers" that Mr. Newbold made 9 earlier, are there other documents that you io have reviewed in p7aration for your t t testimony here today. 12 A. No. 13 Q. Do you intend to review any other 14 documents in preparation for testimony that i s you may give at tnal? 16 A. I may. But at this point, I don't 17 know what they are. I can't identify them. i s Q. Have tobacco defense counsel told t9 you that they'd be asking you to review io other documents? 21 A. No, they have not. 22 Q. When you attended the various 23 meetings that we have discussed, did you i keep notes on those meetings? 2 A. I kept -- no, I didn't. I noted 3 certain things such as dates and times. But 4 1 did not have specific notes about the s substance of the conversations. 6 Q. Did you ever do tnemos to file to 7 maintain your recollection of the issues 8 that were discussed at those meetings? 9 A. No. I don't think I did. In fact, io I know I did not. i t Q. When you reviewed the documents 12 that were provided to you by tobacco defense 13 counsel did you highhght those documents? 14 A. II'd not. With one exception. I t s think I highlighted -- maybe it was the 16 deposition of Dr Spears. But I'm not 1 7 certain about that. i s It was one document that I did i9 highlight. And then I thought, "I shouldn't 2o be marking up these documents." And I 21 didn't do it anymore. 22 QWhy would you think you shouldn't 23 mark up the documents? I A. Well, it's misleading when someone 2 else reads it. 3 Q. So I assume that you made no 4 marginalia on any other documents. s A. No, I did not. 6 Q. Have you prepared a written report 7 on any of the doctunents that you have 8 reviewed? 9 A. I have not. 10 Q. Have you made any charts or i t summaries of any of these documents? 12 A. I have not. 13 Q. The documents on the lists in front 1 4 of you -- in reference to the documents on i s the lists in front of you, are there 16 particular documents in those lists that you 17 l~eel that you will be relying on in your 1a~shmony toaax?.,y.. ~,. . ..~ - - 0 ON 21 soltS o q11CStlons 8IC as~a8'ao whCt~iCf 22 would rely on a~specific document. 23 Q. Now, Mr. Newbold told us that you m CondenscIt! DePo~ sit2on of: Parham H. Williams, Jr -- Page 67 Page 71 Page 68 Page 69 EDMONDSON REPORTTNG & VIDEO, 324-2333 0 0 ~ ~ ® 13 Case? 14 A. I have not. 15 Q. Have Jou asked to review any such 16 7 ~ve not. 1 ts Q.We were going to discuss a little t9 bit more your other experiences as being an 2o expert in litigation besides the Moore case 21 about which we are talking today. Are there 22 other cases in which you have appeared as an 23 expert? t had a co of "The Ci arette Papers." 2 Besides ~iapters 7 and 8, asstuntng those are 3 the correct chapter numbers, have you read 4 the entire book? 5 A. I attempted to. And then I skimmed 6 it. But I concentrated on Chapters 7 and 8. 8 Q.I haveya copyabu I haveo othread 9 it. 10 Q. Have you reviewed any joint t t prosecution or joint defenscagreem ents 12 between and among tobacco defendants in your 1 a Yes. 2 Q. Could you tell me what those cases 3 were, pl ?ease 4 MR. NEWBOLD: You say "appear." Do s you mean appear as a witness? 6 MS. NIAL: Either appear in 7 deposition or appear in tnal or both. a a No. 9 Q. (By Ms. Nial) Are there cases in 1o which you were consulted as an expert t t witness? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. And what cases were those? 14 A.'Ihe only other case is one that is occurred back in October and November of 16 1996 -- this past fall. And that was a case 17 that occurred in the state of Kentucky i9 yon recallt~ the name of that case? Do 20 a I do not rer,all the style of it. 21 tobac Wpaayc~se that involved any 23 A No. t ~QhDo uou re ~? issue was on 2 3 A. I do. 4 Q. And what was that issue? s A. Well, the issue was whether the 6 trial judge, during theptndency of a motion 7 for new tnal, imprope r1y accepted an award from the Kentucky Trial Lawyers Association. 8 9 Q. Was this isstre raised in an attempt 1o to disc ~ualtfy the trial judge? 11 A. I believe it was, yes. i 3 Q. And wereo di o ual~ifsttb triale 14 j~s trying t sl y 1s aNo. 16 Q. Do you recall who, in fact, you 17 were appearing as a-- or -- strtke that. ia 4 .k.V- ~, 21 22 9$11o~.as - 'W'h0 was that? .k Don Barrett. 23 Q. Did you know Mr. Barrett before you Page 7" Page T Page 67 - Page 7:
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation t you need to get up and walk around the room, 2 please feel free to do so. 3 A. Tbank you. 4 Q. As the stenographer needs to have s one of us speaking at a time, I will try not 6 to interrupt your answers ifypu'11 try not 7 to intetrupt my questions. You understand s that this deposition may, in fact, be used 9 at trial? 10 A. Yes. t 1 Q. Are you represented today by tz personal counsel? 13 A.I'm 14 not with here with Mr. Bill personal counsel ot Newbold, b her than tha 1 s Q. And Mr. Newbold rep resents the 16 defendant, Lorillard; is that correct? 17 A. Yes, that is correct. t s Q. Where do you presently work? 19 A. I am on the faculty of the 20 Cumberland School of Law of Samford 21 University here in Bi-rningham. 22 Q. And when you say you are on the 23 faculty, what is your position? ut t. t A. Professor of law. 2 Q. Are you also dean? 3 A. I was dean until last June the 1 st. 4 And then reverted to full-time teaching. 5 Q. Now, why did you leave' your 6 position as dean on June 1 st? 7 a I had completed a total of 25 years 8 as a law school dean, and this'was a very 9 good time to do what I had wanted to do for 10 the past couple of years. And that is to go t 1 back to full-time teaching in the classroom. t z Q And have you always been, during 13 the 25 ~ears, Dean of the Cumberland Law 14 SchooL 1 s a No. I was Dean of Cumberland for 16 11 years. And then prior to that, was Dean 17 of the University of Mississippi Law School 1 s for 14 years. 19 Q. And why did you leave the 20 Mississippi Law School to cotne to -- story. Over 21 a'jbat s an in ierestIng 22 time and one has for some 14 23 years, various interest groups, political in Condenseit! n' Page 13 Page 14 Page 15 1 nature, develop on the faculty. 2 And there were diffcrmg_ id~eas 3 about the course of that Law School and what 4 it should be and particularly about its 5 relationship to the profession in 6 Mississippi. I had very strong views on 7 that. Interest groups in the faculty had s other views. 9 So as a consoquenee, under the 1o policy of the Universtty which requires a t 1 review by the faculty of a departaient or 12 school every four years of the person who is 13 chair or dean of that departmeat or school, 14 the majority of that faculty decided that t s they would rather follow their policy 16 instead of mine. 17 Q Could you tell mo what:your policy.: 21 think that part of the function of a law 22 school, in addition to educating young men 23 and women to be lawyers, is to conttnue that Dep-0 sition of: Parham H. Williams, Jr education and continue a servicc function with the people who art in practice in the state. And that includes not only practitioners, but also the ~'udictary . So I felt very strongly that the Law School should enhaace those relatibnships and focus more closely on teaching the law of Mississippi and in providing service -- continuing legal education -- other kinds of service to the bar. And there was a difference of opinion on the faculty about that. Q. Did you say they were reviews or -- A. Yes. As I recalI the University of Mississippi olicy, it provided for a review once every four years by the person who was chair of a department or dean of a school. And this was a review which took, really, the nature of interviews by the University. VVice Chancellor for Academic Affairs -- in some universities he called a provost -- with individual faculty members. t And as a consequence of those 2 interviews, then the provost, I suppose, I 3 really am not privy to the process at that 4 point, tallies up the pros and cons and then s makes a decision. 6 your, if I aught t~isevtthe word,~relationship 8 as dean with the Law School was terminated? 9 A. Yes I was. 10 QAnd what did the letter say, if you 11 recall? 12 A.I don't recall specifically now. 13 But basically to the effect that as a result 14 of thispolicy review, the decision was that i s my -- rwould not be reappointed as dean for 16 anotber four years. Basically, that's what 17 it said. t s Q. And it was a purely policy-oriented 19 dispute that resulted in your tetmination? 20 A. I'm sure there were personal issues ' 21 involved too. When you are dean of a school 22 and control such things as faculty salaries, 23 faculty research grants, there develop i issues on a personal basis over time. I'm 2 sure there were those too. 3 Q. Were there any concerns expressed 4 by etther the rovost or any of the other s persons involved in that situation regarding 6 yo a Nacademic abilities? 9a ~ Q.~Wha? What is your current business lo A.Incidentally, let me add that I did t t have tenure there and could have n:mained on 12 that faculty, as a full-time teacher. Now my 13 current busu~ess address is the Cumberland 14 School of Law, Samford University, 800 is hakeshore Drive, Birmingham, Alabama, 35229. 16 Q. Now, when you left the position of 17 Dean at Ctuaberland did you leave because Page 1• Page 1 Page 1'. , -" tt fr li:~- ;reternttr.na_a~..:•..~•.~. - ~~qe~rHr~rRS»-~r _,~= 21 coincided also with University policy at 22 Santford, which was that persons who reached 23 the age of 65 may not continue in an Page 13 - Page 1 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation CondenseIt! "` Deposition of: Parham H. Williams, Jr Page 109 Page ll: t A. Well, it's intriguing. But at this 2 point, I do not plan to. 3 Ms. MAL: I wonder, Mr. Newbold, if 4 we should take a break now. It's ten past 5 twelve. 6 MR. NEWBOLD: Fine with me. It's 7 really ten past eleven. 8 MS. NIAL: Oh, I'm sorry. We'll 9 continue. 10 MR. NEWBOLD: I was going to ask for 11 a break, though= at 11:25. 12 MS. NtAL: We can take it now. 13 (Recess taken) iil l i crmnaaw. 2 And I have -- well, I guess more 3 than 30 years have dealt with the ethical 4 considerations that arise in the course of s teaching those classes. 6 Q. Are you familiar with professor 7 Samuel Dash of Georgctown Universlty? 8 A. Yes, I know who he is. 9 Q. Do you rccognize professor Sam Dash to as an ethics expert? 11 A. He's certainly an expert on 12 criminal law. And I think he probably has 13 done enough writing in ethics to qualify, 1 4 Q.(By Ms. Nial We were talking about 1 s your cv when we loft. I don't notice, but 14 yes. t s Q. And what about Jeffrey Hazzard? ' 1 6 perhaps I'm missing it. 16 A. Yes, I do. If you re asking me do 17 MR. NEWBOt.D: Pardon me. I can't 17 1 rocognizo him as an expert -- 18 speak for Deirdre Fox, and she represents t s Q. Do you recognize 7effrrey Hazzard as 19 somebody that I don't represent. So I'll -- 19 ane ?X 20 MS. NIAL: We'll wait for Ms. Fox to 20 a es? I do. 21 return 21 Q. Beside the two publications that 22 . IAng pause. ) 22 we've discussed, are there any other 23 ~Ms. Fox returns.) 23 publications on your cv that deal f_ t.} 1 Q. (By, Ms. Nial) We were going to talk 2 a little blt moc+e about your Cv:. I wonder 3 if you could identify for me on your cv any 4 articles or books or presentations that you s haveg1ven on legal ethics. 6 A. T71e book, which discusses it, in 7 sort of summary, fashion, is this s"Mississippi Evtdence" book. It, by no 9 means, is a in-depth discussion of it. It lo simply discusses the attorney/client 1 t privilc ~e and the parameters of that. 12 Q. ° I21e Com anson of Fedeiral and 13 Mississippi Rulpes of Evidence ? 1 4 a No. It's -- 1 s Q. On which page? 16 A. It's entitled "Mississippi 17 Evidence" on~page 5. ls Q. Okay. With Dr. Carolyn Ellis 19 Staton? 20 A. Staton. 21 Q. Staton. 22 A. Correct. 23 Q. And in that book, you've discussed Page 110 1 Page 11: 1 specifically wtth ethics rather than the 2 permeation concept that we've previously 3 discussed? 4 A. Were there ani that are devoted s solely to that topic. 6 Q. Yes. 7 A. No, thene arc not. s Q. you ever given any seminars on 9 legal ethics? 10 A. Let me lookaga~in. I don't r+ecall 11 one that dealt speciFically, with legal 12 ethics. But once Mississtppi changed its 13 continuing legal education rules to require 14 certain training in ethics, in the back of is t6 17 l 1s 19 2o my mind, I have a recollection of having participated in one of those and giving a ecture. But I can't identify it by date and place. q. Have you served on any committees dealing with the issue of legal ethics? 21 A. ~pecifically refemng to bar 22 Commlttees? 23 Q. For example, a bar committee. Page 111 Page 114 I A. A bar committee? The committee 1 the attorney/client privilege and the Crime 2 Fraud Exoeption? 3 A. Yes. In various summary' fashion. 4 Q. Any other discussion of the ethical 5 rules in any of your other publications? 6 A. I believe that this one that' you 7 mentioned a moment ago "Comparison of 8 Federal and Mississipp i I~ules" also deals 9 with the privilege -- the /client. 10 But once again, not in aned fashion. 11 Q. Are you an ethics expert, 12 Mr. Williams? 13 A. I think that based on my 14 experience, the readings that I have done, 1 s the practice as well as the teaching of 16 ethics yes, I am. ~ ..-. . _.. , , . . 1.11~i.°~it1dQ1'i'~"r~~. A. It wasn't titled ethics, no. M . t!!1~ 13 16 spoctfieally wtt~t the area -- 1 anY t:rlevarlcC 2o specifically. But ai I mentioneti earlier, 20 Q. Have you consultedwith any 21 ethics permeates, particularly, the law of 21 grievance cot>untttees on the issue of ethics? 22 evidence and also to a marked extent, the 22 A. No, not to my recollection. , 23 law of crime -- criminal procedure and 23 Q.Are you an active member of the Bar EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 2 thatprobably involved that most closely was 3 the thratting Committee which was a 4 subcommittee of the Advisory Committee to s the Mississipp t ~Suptome Court on rules. 6 I was Chair of that committee and 7 also Chair of the Draftin,g Committee for the s Mississi pi Rules of Evidence. And in the 9 course o~ that, we hadj of course, 1o considetation of Artic e 5 and the t t implications of the attorney/client 12 pnvilege and the reflected ethical 13 ConsidCrations there. 14 Q: And agaia that did not deal Page 109 - Page 11-
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation 1 A. Well, that is the conttxt, s, in 2 which legal seraioes were soug~t by the 3 tobacco companies. So, yes. 4 Q.Is it im ortant to your opinion 5 that the legal procoedings generate media 6 attention? 7 A. Well, I think it's important to the s client, because the client is entitled to 9 legal advice concerning the best way to lo handle media attention. t! This, apparently, is one'of the 12 most publicised, continutng ldtigation 13 efforts in history, I sup pose. And lawyers 14 can be helpful in rendering legal,advice to is a client as to how to present positions to 16 the public. 17 Q. Is that legal advice or public 1 s relations advice? 19 A. Well, the ultimate product is 20 ublic relations. But the advice which the 21 Pawyer gives to the client is legal advice. 22 Q.Is it legal advice because it's 23 being given by a lawyer? t A. It's legal advice because the 2 lawyer is infon~ning the client' of positions 3 and consequences flowing from various kinds 4 of publicity that mi t ensue. s QWouid sonic o~the legal, advice that 6 might be provided in refer+encc to this 7 general public relations goal advice a regarding admissions against interest? 9 A. Well, I would think in the context to ofgt'ving legal advice the lawyer would ii uzform the chent of Tdl possibilities. 12 4. Would a lawyer, ingivi»g the 1egal 1 3 advice regarding this pubGo rCiations, be ta likely to advise a client not to lie? 4 s A. I think a lawyer has a duty to 16 inform the client of his best l, advice, 17 of the options available, and ~the t s consequences attendant upon the client's 19 decision to follow one or more of the 20 options. 21 Q. If the lawyer offers the advice to 22 a client not to Cie in his public relations 23 statement and the client chooses to ignore i that advice and lies and the lawyer.lmows 2 that the client lied, is there any actton 3 that the client -- that the lawyer must 4 ethica~l~ly take reg~~ that lie? 5 A. Well, the lawyer Itas given the 6 client his or her best advice. And the 7 client then makes a decision and acts, a perhaps, independently of that advice. 9 That's -- the lawyer has perforarod his or lo her duty. 1! Q; Let's turn from the public 12 relations context of this legal advice and 13 look, now, to a legal proooeding in which 14 the lawyer is giving the client advice; and ts he tells the citent not to lte. 16 'Ibe client ignores that legal 17 advice and lies at the legal.p.rocading. orm 21 takes. 22 Q. The client gets up on the stand and 23 perjures himself in direct contradiction to CondcnseIt! n' Page 193 Page 194 Page 195 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 1 the advice that the lawyer has given him and 2 the lawyer knows that the client has lied. 3 A. Well, the Standards of Professional 4 Responsibility or the Code of Professional 5 Responsibility impose on the lawyer the duty 6 not to knowinglypernu t a witness or 7 client -- client, I think is the term it 8 uses -- to present false testimony. 9 I am assuming that under -- in the 10 context of your question, the lawyer is 11 surprised by the testimony. Is that a 12 correct assumption? 13 Q. The lawyer assumed that the client 14 would accept his advice and not lie. But t s the client lies on the stand. What should 16 the lawyer do? 17 MR. NEWBOLD: Is part of your is assumption that the lawyer is there when 19 the, Quote, lie is told by the client on the 20 stand? 21 MS. NIAL: Yes. 22 Q. (By Ms. Nial) It is part of my 23 assumption that the lawyer who provided the I advice to the client who is getting on the 2 stand is, in fact, in the courtroom and 3 hears his client lie. What should he do? 4 A. Well, the Code prohibits the S knowing presentation of false testimony -- 6 prohibits the lawyer from eng ing or 7pcrnuttirtga client to knowin y-- that is, s knowing the lawyer -- to testt y falsely. 9 If lt is a surprise to the lawyer; 10 and it's blurted out before the lawyer has a 11 chance to -- if he is questioning the 12 witness, to stop it. Or in other words -- 13 in any other way to interject himself into 14 the proeessm t s Then tbe lie has been testified 16 to. And I know what I would do. I would 17 talk to the client in a recess, and I would is inform the client that he had to clarify 19 that truthfully or our relationship was 20 terrtliaated. 21 Q. That's what you would do? 22 A. That's what I would do, personally. 23 Q. Would that be the advice you would 12 ve to any lawy~er in the circumstance that ~have just descnbed and we've just talked 3 about? 4 A. Well, it might be. But I don't s know that the lawyer would be under a duty 6 to take the same action that I suggest that 7 I would do personally. s Q. Are there a range of options open 9 to a lawyr.r in thaf etrcumstaace? He's in 10 the courtroom. Tle client lies. t 1 MR. NEWBOLD: Wait. Object to the 12 form. I don't believe that there's a 13 question imbedded in your last statement. 14 Ms. N1AL: Yes, there is. I sai 1 s"Does the lawyer have a number o options 16 in the circumstance that we've just 11 discussed? .The lawyer is in the courtroom. Q-(B y" Ms: Nial) Iwonderif you can 21 answer the question. Mr. Williams. 22 A. Well, theop tions, I think, would 23 include the oae I suggested. But also would sitzon of: Parham H. Williams, J Page 1~ Page 1S Page 15 Page 193 - Page 19 ~-- --
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2 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 STIPIILATIONS IT-IS STIPULATED AND AGREED by and between the parties through their respective counsel that the deposition of Parham H. Williams, Jr., a witness in the above-entitled cause may be taken before Tonya Bynum, a Shorthand Reporter and Notary Public in and for Jefferson County, Alabama, at Birmingham, Alabama, on the 1 day of April, 1997, commencing at 9:00 a.m., pursuant to the Mississippi.Rules of Civil Procedure. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation i quickly. Let's see what it says. The rule 2 says,s~mpl "'i~cre's no privilege if the 3 services ofytbe lawyer are sought or 4 obtained to enable or aid anyone to commit s or plan to commit what the client knew or 6 reasonablX should have known to be a crime 7 or fraud.' 8 And then there is a comment -- 9 let's see. Well, that isn't the comment to that I was looking for. But based on the i 1 rule itself and its requirements, if the 12 client had the knowledge -- he knew or 13 reasonable person in his shoes would have 14 known -- that the act to be performed was a t s crime or fraud, then I think the knowledge 16 or intent of the lawyer would be inmmaterial. 17 Q. Thank you. Let's look at that ta definition, if you will, of the Crime Fraud 19 Exception that's contained in 502 the 20 Mississippi Rules of Evidence and break it 21 down a bit, if you don't mind. 22 "To aid anyone to commit." Does 23 that mean in your opinion -- I'm sorry. i Let's back up. "To aid anyone to commit or 2 plan to commit." Does that language, in 3 your opinion, indicate that the crune or 4 fraud has to be successful? S MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of 6 the question and the use of the word 7 "successful." 9 the use of the word d'ccessful"mean by 10 A. I think I understand. Let rne see t t if I have the facts you're asking. First of 12 all, there is the employment of a lawyer by 13 a client. t a Q. Correct. 1 s A. And the client has the intent to 16 commit a crime or fraud. 17 Q. Correct. i s a And the lawyer provides services 19 which facilitate the commission of that. 20 Q. Correct. 21 A. And there is a plan to cotnmit, 22 which doesn't reach fruition; is that -- am 23 I assuming that to be true also? 1 Q.That's correct. 2 MR NEWBOLD: Does not rCach 3 fruition? 4 MS. NIAL: Sucaes3. s A. Thet+e's no action upon it. I 6 think, then, that the Crime Fraud Exception 7 probably is not tri 8 Q. (By Ms. Nt ot that tbere's no 9 action upon it, but it is not successful. 10 MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form. 11 Let me ask yqu to restate an entire 12 question. This is becoming more of a nice ' 13 conversation. But tt s not nealiy a 1 4 question and answer. So I object to the 1 s form. 16 Q. (By Ms. Nial Let ustry again. By.. a?.. tl}_e:work"success,' I meaa ttttat Werine o io the Crimo Fraud Exception to apply is tha 21 the client is planning -- he knowtngiy is 22 plannutg to commit a crimo or fraud. 23 What I mean by that is that the CondenseIt! T'' Deposition of: Parham H. Williams, Jr Page 121 Page 122 Page 123 t crime or fraud being planned by the client 2 is not successful. It does not occur. 3 Although that is, in fact, what the client 4 was planning. s In that case, does the Crime Fraud 6 Exception app 7 gave the client ~ to the advice the lawyer . 8 A. It is my understanding that the 9 lawyer should -- he has a duty to give the io client advice which includes various t t options whic~t the client may accept or 12 re~ e~ct. Unless the client acts upon.one, 13 which is fraudulent in nature or cruninal in 14 nature, then I would think not. t s Q. So what meaning does the phrase "or 16 plan to commit" have in that rule? 17 A. Well as I read the rule, it says 1s simply, "Tto enable or aid anyone to plan to 19 comrnit," which is to put in effect the 20 planning. Once again there has to be 21 action on the part of t6 client. 22 Does the client follow through on 23 the advice and develop a plan and seek to t implement it or not? If it isn't acted on 2 in that sense, I would say there's no 3 triggering of the exception. 4 Q. But tf he acts on it to forward his s plan; - if the client acts on the advice 6 rovtded by the lawyer in order to put 7~ogether his plan, but the plan is not s successful, does the Crime Fraud Exception 9 apply to the advice that the lawyer gave the 10 cltent? 11 MR. NEWBOLD: I object to the form. 12 Are we using the definitton of successful 13 that you gave two questions back? 14 MS. NIAL: Yes. 1s MR NEWBOLD:'Ihett let's hear that 16 definition. 17 MS. NIAL: We will continue to use is the definition that I previously provided, 19 which means that the fraud is successful -- 20 the fraud actually defrauds someone. But in 21 this case, it's not successful. Do I need 22 torcpcat the uestion for you, 23 Mr. Newbold~ 1 MR. NEWBOLD: Yes, you do. 2 Q. (By Ms. Nial) The client goes to 3 the lawyer and asks for advice which he 4 knows he wants to use in order to plan to s commit a fraud. The lawyer gives him the 6 advice. He uses it in his plan to commit a 7 fraud. s The fraud is not successful, i.e. 9 it does not defraud an~ yone. It is an 10 attempt to defraud. Would the exception to t t the la /client privilege -- the Crime 12 Fraudception -- apply to that advice 13 given by the lawyar? 14 A. Let me ask one assumption you're l s asking me to rely upon. And that is after 16 the lawyer gives the advice to the client, 21 to implenxttt it, but the scheme fatls or 22 whatever you wish to call it. In that 23 event, there has been action by the client 20 The client acts upon it, attemp ts . .....~. . y.-~'.L_' ,~;act aqts up.°Aa ulat..VM-Kes, a-.': ~~t , ~RL~1GiRi'N7 a GiII~ aC- [III{iGl.~ *~ . : ' ~ :. ' Page 124 Page 125 Page 126 Ln 1-- m m ~ EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 Page 121 - Page 126
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4 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Billy R. Randles SHOOK, HARDY & BACON, L.L.P. One Kansas City Place 1200 Main Street Kansas City, MO 64105 Deirdre Fox KIRKLAND & ELLIS 200 E. Randolph Chicago, IL 60611 For the Distributors: E. Brooke Ferris III GIBBES, GRAVES, MULLINS, FERRIS, HORTMAN & HARLOW 414 West Oak Street Laurel, MS 39441 Also Present: Sandra Burley, Paralegal Ness, Motley., Loadholt, EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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LTi_v__.L Mississippi Tobacco Litigation - - , t include ignoring it, for exam le. That 2 would be an option that the lawyer could 3 follow. 4 And as a middle ground, I suppose s an option would be to inform the court 6 and/or opposing counsel. 7 Q. Now, the option that you described s as ignoring it, is taking that option 9 consistent with the lawyer's duty of candor to to the tribunal? t t A. It is not. 12 Q. Would it be a breach of his ethical i 3 duty of candor to the tribunal to take such 14 an option as i onng the lie? ' 15 A.'Ihe Code~speaks to an evcnt yet to 16 come; that is, the knowing petmitttng of a 17 client to testify untruthfully. It doesn't t s specifically address the situation where the t9 testimony comes as asurp rise. ', 20 So I would -- I think my response 21 would be that for the lawyer in that 22 situation, if he chose to ignore that, it 23 would be very unwise. But I'm not sure it t would be a breach of the Code. 2 Q. So a lawyer, in your opinion, can 3 allow a lie to remain before the' court 4 without doing anything about it? And that s is an ethical choice? 6 A. I think that the middle option that 7 1 suggested, disclosure to the otiter side 8 and the court, is what should be done. 9 Q. Now, if we could move to section 2, to always keeping in mind that p ~a~ap h 1 is 11 the context in which you were e~sked these t z questions. It says, "In the 13 above-referenced context, does 1t violate 14 any duty for a lawxer to provide the 1 s following servuxs ? 16 "A. Advtse about, prepare for, and 1 7 conduct litigation and tnals?" Have any t s problem with that? 19 A. No. I have no problem with that. 20 It does not violate any duty. 21 Q. "Advise about, prepare for and 22 assist with the presentation of cttent 23 positions at legislative and administrative I hearin8s?" 2 A. Again, my answcr is it do~ 't -- 3 that's part of the lawyer's function. It 4 does not violate a duty. s Q. "Identify, select, r+ecotntneud, 6 develop, arrange to fund, monitor, prepare, 7 comment on writings of, andlor conclude s relationships with experts or potential 9 experts?" 10 A.Again, that's the lawyer 's function t t in preparing to represent the client, be it 12 litigation or regulatory hearing. And be 1 3 should do those things. And it orrtainly 14 doesn't violate any duty to do that. 1 s Q. Does it violate any ethical duty 16 for a lawyer to require that a researcher 17 who is obtainintt-resear.ch_f_unds frota an. 20" in"f'us propos`cd`pubfioitioii?- ~ 21 MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of 22 the question. 23 A. This is research that's been, for CondenscIt! T' Dcposition of: Parham H. Williams, Jr. Page 199 Page 200 Page 201 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 t exam le, sAS funded? 2 Q. gBy Ms. Nial) For example. 3 A. And the lawycr is conunettting upon 4 the product that is the report of the s researcher? 6 Q. Going beyond commenting upon. He's 7 requuing that changes be made in the 8 report, which is to be published -- changes 9 that would, in fact, make the results of the to research that are reported in the published t 1 article false. 12 MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of 13 the question. 1 4 A.Let me answer it this way. The t s lawyer can comment and require all he wants 16 to. But if the researcher rejects those 17 comments, ignores those requircments, and is ls otherwise free to publish, then it doesn't 19 matter what the lawyer said. 20 QWhat if the lawyer has the power to 21 fund or not fund the researcher; and he will 22 make the decision whether or not to exercise 23 that power in favor of funding the t researcher based on whether or not the 2 researcher exceeds the requiremettt to change 3 the language in which the results are 4 11CComm n7le ~~? S MR. NEWBOLD: I object to the form 6 of the question. I object to all this line 7 of questioning unless you specifY as to 8 whether this is a CrR, whether it s an SAs 9 or whether it's a Special Project or what 10 type of research we're talking about. 11 MS. NUL: You can object all you 12 like. I'm asking the question of tho 13 witness. 14 A. For my assistance in answering the t s question, am I to assume that this is an SAB 16 funded research pro~'ect? 17 Q. It is agan t. The same grant that is we started this question with. 19 A. And my answer would be the same. 20 So long as the researcher is free to accept 21 or reject and is free to publish, then the 22 lawyer's comments, directions, amount to 23 nothtng. 1 Q. We'ne looking at "D. S areas 2 of scientific research that t be useful 3 in suppor~n~ client legal or ttigation 4 ttoas." Is that a breach of any duty sFor ta lawyer to provide those services? 6 A. Absolutely not. It's the iawyer's 7 respoasibility to evaluate the evidence, to 8 identify any omissions or gaps in scientific 9 knowled$e that would be useful in developing 10 his client s case, and then to provide the t 1 advice that is contained in item D• that is, 12 areas of research that wout d be 13 hC. 14 Q. What's the difference between a is legal and a litigation position? 16 A. Well, I suppose the li ' ation - ~tic~~stould relate s~eci~call ycally to an . ,r 71/!`}ffIRT}~~* ~ 2o Taeso would be some agency or something o 21 that sort. 22 l in the ~ l ~ n l ~ des~ of a t +esearch p o oc t , ig Page 202 Page 203 Page 204 u, N m m ~ Page 199 - Page 204
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5 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Reported by: Tonya Bynum EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO 1030 Financial Center Birmingham, AL 35203 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation ® t confidential or protected because of the 2 attomey/client or work product privilege? 3 A. Let me undcrstandpthe question. 4 You say does the attorney or the client -- s Q. Or the client have an expectation 6 of confidentiality if the attorney does not 7 inform the researcher that the material that 8 he is generating is expected td be protected 9 from disclosure either by the lo attorney/client or the work product 11 privilege? 12 MR. NEWBOLD: Objection. Calls for 13 speculation -- the use of the word 14 "expectation." 1s Q.(By Ms. Nial) Mr. Williams, ou 16 understand what the expectation ofy 17 confidentiality, means, do you not? 18 A. Yes I think I do. But I think 19 still -- I think the client and the attorney 2o do and should treat the material generated 21 as privileged. I think they should expect 22 that the privilege would apply to it. 23 Q. But if the person who is generating 1 MR. NEWBOLD: I'm not too sure 2 there's a qu~estion t. 3 Q. (By Ms. Nial~Would you explain to 4 me how he can be a member of that group? s A. Let me ask what assumption we're 6 starting with. Is this a researcher who has 7 been selected by a Scientific Advisory 8 Board. 9 Q. Well, are Special Project 10 researchers selected by the Scientific 1 t Advisory Board? 12 A. Noz to my knowledge. 'Ihey engaged 13 in grants and contracts. 14 Q. Then who are the Special Project is researchers selected by? 16 A. Generally by attorneys. 1 7 Q. Is the selection by an attorney ts cnough to notify the researcher that the 19 work he is doing will be protected by the 20 attorney/client or work product privilege? 21 MR. NEWBOLD: Ob1ect to the form. 22 Are we talking about a Special Projects 23 now? Or about your hypothetical? i the information -- the researcher -- has no 2 reason to know or understand that his 3 material should be protected from disclosure 4 because it will be subject or is subject to 5 the attorney/client or work product 6 privilege, how can there be an expectation 7 that that material would be kept s confidential? 9 A. Wel1, the privilege itself§ays 1o that the client has a right to refuse to 11 disclose or to prevent another person from 12 disclosing privileged information. 13 Q. But if one does not know that the 14 document is confidential, one is, in fact, 1 s is one not, a third party outside of the 16 group that is dealing wtth confidential 17 information? 18 MR. NEWBOLD: Objection. Asked and 19 answered. Counsel's arguing with the 20 witness. 21 MS. N1AL: No, I'm not. I'm arguing 22 at all. I'm asking a very clear question. Page 188 I Ms. NIAL: We are talking about a 2 Special Projects fund recipient. 3 A. All ri t. If the lawyer has 4 de that there is a need for s scientific information in order to assist in 6 the development of his client's case and 7 decides that this individual can possibly 8 produce, through research or whatever, 9 product that wt'll enable the lawyer to 10 t~urther the development of the client's I 1 case, then the piroduct producxd by that 12 individual in response to the lawyer's, 13 request should be covered by the privtlege. 14 MR NEWBOLD: Would this be a good 1s time to take a break, counsel? 16 MSR L:~ so. ls ~(13y Ms. Nial) Mr. Williams, you may 19 recall that we discussed a while ago, seems 20 like years Plaintiff's Exhibit 2 which was 21 a list -- ~ich was a transmittal letter and 22 a list of issues. Page 19 23 MR. NEWBOLD: Which he's answa+ed 23 a Yes. 1 twice. Page 189 1 Q.I wonder if we could go through Page 19: t th i lk tl b li bi d 2 MS. NIAL: No. t a 2 ssues an ta a t ou ose e 3 Q. (By Ms. Nial) Is the researclrer 3 your opinion relating to those issues. Now, 4 outside of thegro up that is sharing the 4 the firstparagraph of this issues list U1 5 confidential information if he is not Newbold tries to s provided to you by Mr H 6 brought into the group by some advice or . 6 place the issues in context. M ~ 7 information that the material that he's 7 It says, "In the context of ~ 8 generating is confidential? a continuous product liability litigation and 9 MR. NEWBOLD: Objection'to the form. 9 recurring legislative and administrative ~ 10 Asked and answered. 1o proceedings, and when these proceedings W m !t 12 A. Well I'm not sure you got to the question t{lat last time. What is the 11 generate media attention, including comment 12 from are product manufacturers co 13 question? 13 entitled to seek advice front lawyers about 14 Q. Let's go back to the -- I'm tryitut 14 how to conduct their affairs and how to is 16 to draw some analogy -- trying to understand I' 11 give you some how a third party-- 1 s communicate about those affairs in order to 16 protoct their legal or litigation position? 17 , _ bac ' und. ' ~ d02L1!=M ~ du~y,,forla~+vus.to ~.. _.~~._ ® ~: C. - . . . . , .."3'!:: zo - awyer iior an employoe o the clieat'-- is a 21 third party researcher -- can be'a member of 22 a group that can protect a privilege if he 23 is not notified of the privilege.' EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 CondcnseIt! T'' Deposition of: Parham H. Williams, Ji Page 187 Page 19 ,+R-r•'i -' F f 20 Mr. Newbold, iovide 1he cotitext that you 21 were given by the tobacco industry lawyers 22 for the discussion of the next set of 23 issueS? Page 187 - Page 19: - -- -------_ ___-- -- _=-~~
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7 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Report by Alan Rodgman Plaintiff's No...9.. . . . . . . . Page 180 Memorandum Opinion and Order by Boyle Plaintiff's No. '10. . . . . . . . . Page 225 Statement Concerning TIRC Plaintiff's No. 11. . . . . . . . . Page 227 Frank Statement to Cigarette Smokers Plaintiff's No. 12. ...... Page 233 Background on Cigarette Industry • EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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YS4 :' 7-'%T i~ " 4 Mississippi Tobacco Litigation t deposition. 2 MS. NG1t.: And you, of course, 3 understand that we don't believe that this 4 is privileged or confidential. We don't s believe it falls under that rubric. 6 Q. Now that we've said that for the 7 record, Professor Williams, have you seen 8 this document before that's before you -- 9 A. No ma'am. to Q. -- that's been identified as t t Exhibit 8? Of course, if you would like to 12 read the entire document before I question 13 you about it, please feel free to do so. But 14 I will tell you that there is only one age, ts page 13, and a very small section ofpthat 16 page that I want to ask you about. 17 A. Before answerin$ the question, I 1s would like to read it in its entirety. But 19 also I'm concerned about the legend in the 20 margin which says, "This document and its 21 contents are sub1 ect to a court order and 22 shall not be used, shown, or distributed 23 except as provided in the court's order." I i certainly don't want to do anything that 2 would violate that order. 3 Q. I think Mr. Newbold has taken care 4 of that for you. 5 A. Then, may I have some time to read 6 this? 7 Q. Of course. Please feel free. 8 (]~ onent reviews docuznent.) 9 Q. Mr.'Williams, have you had an 10 opportunity to review the document? 1 I A. I have. And could you help me 12 identify the author, Alan Rodgman? 13 Q.I'll do what I can. Mr. K.dgnan 14 was a scientist who worked fdr one of the i s tobacco comp anies. I believe it was Philip 16 Morris but I could be corrected on that. 17 A. I-~e was not a lawyer? 18 Q. He was not a lawyer? 19 A. And to whom was this directed? 20 QApparently, this was a report that 21 he did on a regular basis. Not to lawyers, 22 1 believe. As you can see, there are 23 previous reports listed. CondenseItl r''` Deposition of: Parham H. Williams, Ji Page 139 Page 14 " This raises an t He says, 2 interesting question about the former 3 compounds If a tobacco company plead not 4 guilty or not proven to the charge that s cigarette smoke (or one of its constituents) 6 is an etiological factor in the causation of 7 lung cancer or some other disease, can the s com any justifiably assume the position that 9 publpicatton of data pertaining to eigarette 10 smoke composition or physiological 1 t properties should be wlthheld because such 12 data might affect adversely the company's 13 economic status when the company has already 14 im lied in its plead that no such etiologic is effp~t exists." Did I read that correctly? 16 A. You did read that correctly. 1s Mr R~ ~you h~ave an answer for 19 A. WeII, fust of all, I would need to 20 know more facts that you're asking me to 21 assume. One would be: Is this simply a 22 report which doesn't go beyond the 23 department where it is reported? Do you Page 1401 Page 14 t And he says in the article himself Page 141 2 that this is a report -- "This report is an 3 extension of a companionmemorandum which 4 presented my position as briefly and as 5 concisely as possible. 6 And I beheve that he's sending it 7 to members of the company's research 8 department, And I'm basing all of that on 9 lan$u~p within the document itself. 10 A. V1C1 t t Q. Andyif you'd turn to page 13. 12 MR RANDLFS: Just in the interest 13 of clarity, and I'm notpositivp of this. I 14 think Rodgman worked for Reynolds, but I'm 15 not positive. 16 MS. PTIAL: I'm sorry. I'm not 1z, positive either. And.there's no infonnation~.. ,.w,....,__. z.;. ,-- ~~. _ is;on the 0 ~ C ® N i t Q. (By Ms. Nial) Down at almost 22 bottom of the page, there is a statement by 23 Mr. Rodgman. EDMONDSON REPORTXNG & VIDEO, 324-2333 1 know that. 2 Q. No. I don't know the answer to 3 that question. But how -- if you could 4 illuminate for me, how is that information s relevant to giving an answer to whether or 6 not a company in the position of the company 7 Mr. Rodgman has described in this section s justify withholding the publication of data 9 pertanmg to cigarette smoke composition? 10 MR tdEWBOLD: Object to the form of 11 the question. 12 A. Because you obviously are going to 13 ask me to assume that such nonpublication 14 was, in fact, acted on. 1 s Q. (By Ms. Nial) No. Not for the 16 purpose -- 17 A Otherwise, the question has no ts meaning. t9 Q. Fuist of all, not for the purpose 20 of the question that I've asked you. I've 2 t asked you to tell me what you think the 22 answer to this question is. 23 Can, in fact, the company 1Justifiably assume the position that, 2'Publicatton of data pertaining to 3 cigarette smoke composition or physiological 4 properties should be withheld because such s data might affect adversely the company's 6 economic status when the company has already 7 ua lied in its plea that no such etiologic p 8 eff ict exists"? A Well in order to answer that 9 10 11 12 r tion, I need to know a few other facts. of all. I note that the author qualifies what he has just said in the next sentence. 13 14 "It is not my intent to suggest t s that this company accept cigarette 16 smoke-health data at face value." And then 17 he goes on to say this other can be done. M 0 :.. ~ - ~_. 21 -.ait.•'-"r: Tif'r„YS:~ order to know whether his question here has any meaning or sense to it. Q. Let me refer you, then, for further 22 23 Page 139 - Page 14 Page m ~ m m 42. ~ w ~ m 14 ti
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~....~.~-~..•a~ -. Mississippi Tobacco Litigation i material at that stage privileged? 2 A. Let me understand the question. 3 The lawyer is responding to a notice to 4 disclose or produce? 5 Q. Correct. 6 A. And he assembles materials which 7 are requested, and he then shares that with 8 the client? 9 Q. Correct. 10 A. And you asked further, then, what 1 t you -- ask me the question now. I've lost 12 the train of it. 13 Q.A lawyer obtains a discovery 14 request. He quite properly, we hope, tries t s to respond to that discovery request. He 16 collects the materials, and he goes to his 17 client. t s And he says, "These are the :. 19 materials I'm going to ~ive in response to 20 this discovery request.' The client looks 21 them over. At that point, are those 22 materials privileged? 23 A. If the client and the lawyer share I ideas about the documents the nature of 2 them, the conten4 and so forth, there could 3 be an exchange of information which would be 4 confidential in nature and trigger the s privilege. 6 Q. That's two different pieces though, 7 isn't it? The exchange between the lawyer 8 and the client discussing the content of the 9 documents might be pnvileged? 10 A. Uh-huh. t 1 Q. But would the documents themselves t2 that were being shown to the client become 13 privilged as a result of that exchange? t a a To answer that I' d have to -- 1s MR. NEWBOLD: Objectiorl to the form 1 6 of the question, because I think you're 17 leaving one necessary part out ot~ the 18 hypothetical. That is, if the client has t 9 agroedthey would be produced or whether or 20 not no such agreement has been made between 21 the client and the lawyer 22 (By Ms. Nial) Can a client refuse 23 or direct a lawyer not to respond to a t legitimate discovery request? 2 a I suppose he can. 3 Q. And if he does direct the lawyer 4 not to respond to a legitimate discovery S request, can the lawy~ do that? 6 a At that point, I tkink the lawyer 7 needs to advise the clieat as to the nature 8 of this request that is being made -- the 9 nature of the direction from the client -- to the consequences flowing from observance or t 1 nonobservance of the order. And then the 12 client has to decide whether or not to 13 respond. 14 Q. What if the client says, "X don't 1 s care what you're supposed to do. Don't do 16 it." Can the lawyer follow that direction? 17 _, _ a Well, the lawyer -- at that point, ~1ie'wL.~li.ti CondenseIt! ' sition of: Parhaan H. Williams, i Page 175 1 a Well, I think for one thing, you 2 might trigger the Crime Fraud Exception to 3 the privifege. Thene, the attomey would be 4 assisting or aiding the client in s perpetrating what I suppose you could call a 6 fra _ud; although, I'm not sure it meets that 7 standard. And the client is knowledgeable 8 about what is being done. 9 Q. If a lawyer becomes a business Io partner with his client, are the 11 communications between the lawyer and client 12 within the context of that business 13 partnership relationship privileged? 14 A. My response would be that where the ts lawyer's acting in a ptumly business 16 capaelty no legal service is being 17 rendered, and the discussions are purely 18 about business matters of the compan , that 19 the privilege probably would not apply to 2o those communications. 21 Q. Are you familiar with the tcrm 22 "Special Project"? 23 A. Yes. I am familiar with that. Page 1' Page 176 Page 177 ;._-.... 21 Q. In your experience, what'would be 22 the possible consequences of not responding 23 to a legitimate discovery request? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 1 Q. And what does that term "Special 2 Project" mean to you in the context of 3 tobacco litigation? 4 A. Well, from the rti;adings on that 5 review list, I learned that the Spx ial 6 Projects was a foraler fundirtg from Cttt. 7 Q. Are you familiar with the 8 circumstaaces that surrounded publication of 9 the results of Special Project research? to A. Would you help me with a more i l specific question? 12 g. To your knowledge, were Special 13 Project researchers allowed to publ~ish? 14 aTo my knowledge they were. 1 s Q. And what do you base that knowledge 16 on? 17 A. From the readings that I've done. 18 . Q. And do those readings include any 19 internal industry documents beyond those 2o documents which we have in our box that have 21 been produced to us? 22 A. No. Not to my knowledge. 23 Q. Are you familiar with a case in New 1 Yorlc, I believe called Sackman versus -- 2 (Plaintlf~'s Exhibit No. 9 was 3 marked for identification. A 4 copy is attached.) S MR ItANnLES: This is Magistrate 6 Boyle's opinion that was reversad and 7 vacated by Judge Sp at, correct? 8 MS. NIAL: I bgTieve that's correct. 9 But it's not relevant to what I want to ask to the witness about. 11 MR. RANDLF.S: I,*ust want to be 12 clear that we were talking about the same 13 thing. 14 Ms.1vIAL: Yeah. I believe it was is vacated and remanded because of the 16 intervenors. 1~: ~ MIt FElutls: What did you say? I a^". oplnlan~Whlc w$s'VBCated 8nd , 21 relnanded because of intervenors that came 22 in, and the trial judge wanted to have the 23 Special Master re-review it based on Page I' Page 1 f Page 175 - Page 1 E
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 6 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. , I N D E X Examination by Ms. Nial. ..... Page 07 Reporter Certification. . . . . . . Page 243 E X H I H I T S Plaintiff's No. 1. Notice of Deposition Plaintiff's No. 2. . Letter dated 1/24/97 Plaintiff's No. 3. . Letter dated 1/3/97 Plaintiff's No. 4. . List of Material Reviewed Page 50 Page 6 3 Plaintiff's No. 5. . . . . . . . . Page 64 List of Responsive Documents Plaintiff's No. 6. . . . . . . ... Page 79 Rule 26 (b) (4) Expert Statement & CV Plaintiff's No. 7. . . . . . . . . Page 83 Statement for Servic'es Rendered
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3 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 1 A P P E A R A N C E S For The Plaintiff: Susan Nial NESS, MOTLEY, LOADHOLT, RICHARDSON & POOLE 151 Meeting Street, Suite 600 Charleston, SC 29402 Cindi Anne Solomon NESS, MOTLEY, LOADHOLT, RICHARDSON & POOLE 151 Meeting Street, Suite 600 Charleston, SC 29402 For The Defendant: J. William Newbold THOMPSON COBURN #1 Mercantile Center St. Louis, MO 63101 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation 23 involvement be disclosed." A little t lawycr's involvemeat in that idesign of a 2 research project information that should be 3 publicly expressed when the results of the 4 research Project are published? s A. We 1, we agree that the lawyer 6 should, in the exercise of his 7 representation of the client, identify these s areas -- designate that. 9 Q. You and I don't agree. But I to understand that that's your position. t 1 A. All right. I see no reason 12 whatsoever for the lawyer to be -- for any 13 attribution to be made to the lawyer. This 14 is thep roduct of the researcher. t s ~he researcher is free to develop 16 his research and to prepare his report as he 17 chooses or she chooses. In so' long as that ta freedom exists then, of course, the lawyer. t9 is entitled to no attribution. 20 Q. You have said, "So long'as that 21 freedom exists then the lawyer is not 22 entitled." I said, "Should the la 's 1 3 grant made by the Scientific Advisory Board. 14 Q. Yes. t s A. Well, first of all, it is my 16 understanding that in all of those grants 17 there was absolute freedom on the part of t s the researcher to publish and to produce 19 results that were in accord with the 20 researcher's findings and the various 21 tests. So are you aslang me to igaore that 22 and to assume a situation in which that 23 existed? 10 MS. NIAL: I'm talking about the I t same grant. 12 A. Are ou assuming that this is a t different, but I won't quarrel with you on 2 that. 3 If, in fact, the freedom to publish 4 is not allowed, does that make a difference s to the lawyer's involvement in the design of 6 the research project? 7 MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form 8 of the question unless youspocify what type 9 of research project you're talking about. t Q. Assume a situation in which that 2 freedom to publish was not granted. 3 A. Wcll, based on that assum~tion 1 4 still don't think that the lawyeir s entitled s to any attribution on the publication. 6 Q. Do you have any opinion as to 7 whether or not thiadi!M* ffn of a research 8 project can dictate or atZeast affect the 9 outcome of that research project? 10 A.I'm not sufficiently7mowledgeable t t about scientific research. I've never 12 prepared a proposal. And I guess my answer i 3 would be I don't know. 14 Q. So y,ou're not an ethic -- I'm i6 ~~teattfic re~searchoeihicse not an expert 13.--- ,a No, I am.not._ :_ - ;_<.,.7 23 as to a general knowledge in the field, I 22 the case of sAB grants and contracts. But 21 a I know how the funding was done in CondenseIt! "` sition of: Parham H. Williams, Jr Page 205 Page 201 Page 206 t certainly am no expert on that. 2 Q. And on what do you base your 3 knowledge of how the SAB fundYng was done? 4 A. From the various readings on the S materials on that review list. 6 9And the materials that you have 7 read on the review list do not include any 8 internal documents provided to you by the 9 defendants; is that correct? to A. No, it did not. I t Q. Would it make a difference to your 12 opinion if you had such internal documents? 13 A.Vb'ell, first of all, I'd have to see 14 the document and read it before I could t s answer that question. 16 QSo the provision of such documents 17 could make a difference to your opinion 18 depending on what they said? 19 A. Well, I'm not in a position to 20 answer that until I can read and evaluate 21 the document. 22 docQumWeonts? you like to see such t MR NEWBOLD: I'm sure he'll answer 2 any questions that you might have. It's up 3 to you whether you want to show him 4 confidential and privileged documents. 5 MS. NIAL: Excuse me. This is the 6 CnL I don't believe they have any 7 confidential privilegpdocuments. But at s this point, I don't think your objection is 9 well-taken. But I would like the witness to 10 answer my question. t t Q. (By, Ms. Nial) If such documents 12 were available to you from the defendants, 13 would you be interested in reviewing them? 14 Documents relating to the funding mechanisms t s within the crR, whether they were grant, 16 contract, or Spoct~al Pro~'ects. 17 A. Well, I think I understand how ls those functions operated. If defendants t9 chose to make available documents which 20 would be helpful in arriving at a~conclusion 21 or opinion, I m not going to say, "No. 22 Don t show them to mo. 23 Q. But would you, as someone who is Page 20' Page 207 t developing an opinion that the conduct of 2 tobacco industry lawyers with regard to that 3 research was ethical, wish to have those 4 documents on which to base your opinion? 5 A. I think that I had enough material 6 and enough description of the function to 7 enable me to reach an opinion. 8 Q; When ou were reaching your y Page 211 , ~ m m ~ 9 opinton did you Consider the rontents of 10 plaintif~'s filings as well as defendant's 11 t~tlingsi w 12 0 believe I read the third amended ~ ~ 13 complaint in the Florida case. But I did 14 not read the complaint in the Mississippi 1 s case. 16 Q. It was provided to you, but let me 17 ask you the question..Ihd y_ou review, for ...,...-_....- ~ l` -> . 21 A.Are you referring to the transcript 22 of that hearing? 23 Q. I believe there were filings -- ~ EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 Page 205 - Page 21 -- =---~
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9 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4- 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 to and use of material determined to be privileged and/or confidential. That means that the entire transcript and exhibits will remain confidential for a period of 14 days after the date the deposition transcript is received. Within those 14 days, we will designate the specific exhibits and/or pages and lines of the transcript that we believe to be confidential material.and notify the parties. May the record also show that in the list of materials reviewed by Dean Williams, I inadvertently omitted listing the book known as "The Cigarette Papers," which he has reviewed. I have nothing further for the record at this time. MS. NIAL: (To the court reporter) Ln ~ m m ~ J W ~ Susan Nial for Ness, Motley representing the State of Mississippi. MS. SOLOMON: Cindi Solomon with EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 8 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. I, Tonya Bynum, a Shorthand Reporter.-.o.f the : State -of Alabama, acting as commissioner, certify that there came before me at 505 North 20th Street, Birmingham, Alabama, on April 1, 1997, beginning at 9:00 a.m., Parham H. Williams, Jr., witness in the above,cause, for oral examination, wherebpon the following proceedings were had: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. was duly sworn and testified as follows: MR. NEWBOLD: May the record show that my name is Bill Newbold, and I represent one of the defendants, Lorillard Corporation, along with Billy Randles. Bill also represents Lorillard Corpora-tion in this deposition. I would like to say for the record that this deposition shall be governed by EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO ~ w m Ln
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10 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Mississippi. MR. FERRIS: Brooke Ferris representing the distributors defendants. MS. FOX: Deirdre Fox from Kirkland and Ellis representing Brown and Williamson Tobacco Corporation. - MR. RANDLES: Billy Randles from Shook, Hardy & Bacon representing Lorillard. MR. NEWBOLD: And Bill Newbold of Thompson Coburn representing Lorillard. EXAMINATION BY MS. NIAL: Mr. Williams, I wonder if you could state your full name for the record? A. Yes. My name is Parham H. Williams, Jr. Ln Thank you. I've just given my m kll!b appearance. As you know, my name is Susan , Nial. I represent the State of . Mississippi. And this deposition is being taken pursuant to notice, which if there is no objection, I will have identified as w m J EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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Mississippi Tobacco Litipation 1 intervenor arguments. Page 181 1 MR. NEWBOLD: (TO the court Page 18• 2 MR. FERRIS: Thank you. 3 MR. RANDLES: Actually, the 4 Magistrate -- Bo~yle is a Federal Magistrate. 5 MS. N1AL: That's true. But the 6 trial judge wanted to Magistrate to hear -- 7 MR. RANDLES: Exactly. You said 8 Special Master. 9 MS. NIAL: Sorry. I apologize. 1o Q. (By Ms. Nial) Not to interrupt your t 1 readmg, but just to point out the section 12 that I'll want to talk about. And that's on 13 page 17 regarding Special Projects. But 14 please take your tlme. 1 5 (Deponent reviews document.) 1 6 Q. j,f I could just direct your 17 attention. This is the only question I'll t s ask on this document, unless there's a 19 follow-up, of course, to page 17. 20 And would you agree with me in the 21 paragraph that starts at the bottom of page 22 17 with "moreover" that that paragra hp 23 discusses Special Projects? 2 reporter) Would you read the quest 3 for me, please? 4 (C ourt Reporter reads back.) S MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to t 6 of the question. What do you mea 7 "protected"? 8 MS. NIAL: Protected from disc 9 by the attorney/~client privilege. to Q. (By Ms. Nial) Do you unders tt what i mean by "protected by discl 12 the attorney/client privilege" . 13 A. I think I do, but either read it 14 back one more time or else restate is Q.I'll try it again. 16 A. All ri t. 17 Q. In or for a Special Project 18 reseaicher to be doing Special Proj 19 research that could be protected fro 20 disclosure by the attorney/client pri 21 would that researcher have to know 22 litigation purpose behind the resear 23 A. Weli, fust of all, I think the ion back he form n by losure tand osure from it. ct m vilege, the ch? Page 182 Page 18' I A. Yes. It starts off that way. i attorney, in order to fill gaps in inion wntten, is 2 Q. Now this is an o 2 scientific knowledge, has a duty to ~ 3 it not, by Judge Boyle. He signed it at the 3 recommend or to arrange for research which 4 end? 4 would produce a product that might fill that 5 A. That's correct. s gap and would be useful in framing the case 6 Q. And on page 17, Judge Boyle says 6 for that lawyer's client. 7 moreover, Liggett asserts that any Special 7 Now, clearly, the lawyer has a duty 8 Projects research scientist was free to s to do that; and he is operating ethically 9 publish its findings and opinions without 9 and properly when he secures research to 1o restrictions. Now, is that consistent with 1o fill tbose gaps in knowledge. As to whether I t your understanding of Special Projects? 11 the researcher has to be aware of the 12 A. That's my understanding; 12 litigation purpose, I don't know that that 13 Q. And the Judge further says, It 13 is a key to the privilege~ 14 would appear that this was encouraged, which 14 Now, the researc~ler is perfotming t s is fully consistent with the public is this as -- in a sense, he's providing this 16 relations motivations behind Special 16 information to the attorney to be used for 17 Projects. Are you aware of any public 17 litigation p ses. 'Ihe information 1 s relations motivation behind Special is clearly woulbe protected by the privilege, 19 Projects? 19 because it's generated for that purpose or 20 A. I'm aware from reading several of 20 at least would be covered under the Work 21 the materials, including this, yFs. 21 Product Doctrine. 22 QNow, the next sentence of Judge 22 1 don't know that knowledge on the 23 Boyle says, "This is hardly the type of 23 part of the researcher is an important ~ -1cY~if i agreement that one would find, however, 2 where engages in a scientific or 3 medical expert for the pu:pose',of testifying 4 in litigation." s Do you agnoe with Judge'Boyle that 6 it's unus(al to allow ftnaiom to publish 7 when counsel iseagaging a scientific or 8 medical expert for t-he purpose of testifying 9 in liti tion? t o A. ~ell, I woulda~e that as the t t opinion goes on usually, that is, quote, 12 tightly controlled, end quote. 13 Q. And usually, "'Ihe materials relied 14 on by the expert and disclosure is 1 s customarily made during the last phase of 16_ discove;y, and then under coungelPs control"? ~ 23 behind the work he was doing? 22 would need to know the litigatton purpose 21 attorney/clienf rivil dsat repearcher 20 that could be protected b the ' CondenseIt! "'` Deposition of: Parham H. Williams, Jr Page 183 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 i elment in that mix. 2 Q. So if the researcher is not advised 3 that his work is for the purposes of 4 litig ation and that it is protected by 5 either the attonney/client or work product ~ Page 18E 6 privilege from disclosure to persons other 7 than the attorney or his client, you still m m ~ s feel that that material is protected even 9 though he is unaware of ihe purpose? ~ 10 MR. NEWBOLD: Objection. Asked and 11 answered. w m ~ 12 A. Well, fust of all, I think that 13 the attorney probably ought to inform, just 14 as a matter of instuanoe, that this material 15 will- be subject to a privtlege and should 16 not be disclosed. I still don't think that N M '~-J.16ir X. ~ ..~ r . ..~ .~.~~..' 20 Q.IJoes the attorney or the client 21 rightfully have an expeatatton of 22 confidentiality if they do not tnfotm the 23 researcher that this material is Page 181 - Page 18(
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11 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 MR. NEWBOLD: No objection. Other than I will note for the record that I wrote a letter to counsel for the State of Mississippi advising them that we had provided two days for Mr. Williams' deposition, they being Monday the 31st and' today, April the 1st. I take exception to that portion of the notice which says, quote, for the second date to be notified at a later date, close quote. We feel that we have offered the witness for two days and that the plaintiffs have elected to take only one day. MS. NIAL: And of course in response, statement on the record from the State, as we have advised defense counsel, we be.lieve that the documents were not produced in a timely fashion. And while we understand that the defense counsel objects to that Ln ~ ~ m ~ J w rn Co representation, we reserve our right to ask for a redeposition the second day of this EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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.z« Mississippi Tobacco Litn'gation Condenselt! "' i information according to that question, to Page 14S 1 2 the material that procteds that question. 2 3 It says -- that's on the same page, page 13, 3 4"Members of this research department have 4 s studied in detail cigarette smoke 6 composition." And it gives citations. s 6 7 "Some of the find'uigs have been 7 8 published." It gives citattons. "However 9 much data remain unpublished because they s 9 to are concerned with carcinogenic or 10 l i cocarcinogenic compounds or with patentable 11 12 material." Then he goes on to ask his 12 13 question? 13 1 4 A. Well, certainly that which deals 14 t s with patentable material is -- the company 16 there should have a policy of Is 16 17 nonpublication; because it would be 17 18 disclosing internal company secrets, 18 19 composition of the tobacco, or whatever. 19 20 I do not know to what extent all of 20 21 them are infected with patcntable material 21 22 and thus, subject to nonpublication. 22 23 Q. Well, the language seems to 23 t imply -- and I'll ask you to read along with 2 me -- "Much data remains unpublished because 3 they are concerned with carcinogenic or 4 cocarcinogenic compounds." ''Ifien he provides s the citations. "Or with patentable 6 material," for which he provides two 7 citations. 8 Now, perhaps it's me, but as I read 9 that section, those citations to 1 0 carcinogenic and cocarcinogenic compounds t i seem to be distinguished by the structure of 12 that sentence from those materials that 13 contain patentable material. Do you disagree 14 with that? is MR. NEWBOLD: i object to the form 16 of the question. It clearly calls for 17 speculation because you say "it seems to 1 s imply.;" By the virtue of the question 19 itself, it calls for speculation. I object 20 to the form. 21 MS. NIAL: Whatever. 22 Q. (By Ms. Nial) As you read that 23 sentence which begins with "however," do you i not see a distinction between the material 2 that is concerned with carcinogenic or 3 cocarcinogenic compounds and the material 4 that is patentable? 5 a It is in the disjtmctive, and t;hat 6 does imply that thene is a distinction 7 between the two. 8 Q. Now, as to the material dealing 9 with carcinogenic and cocarcinogeruc io compounds, does Mr. Rodgsnati not say that t t much data remains un ublished? p that report, he 12 A. As of the date of 13 says that. But -- 14 MR. NEWBOLD: Just answer the t S question. 16 Q. (By Ms. Nial) So do you still take 17_ the position that the question that_he asks ='~~GtR NEVV86LD:105JJeo('to-lthe to`rm oI"' 21 the question. 22 A. Well, I don't know whether you'd 23 characterize it as being asked in a factual Page 146 Page 147 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 . Dq0 sition of: Parham H. Williams, J vacuum or sitnply as a rhetorical question. I don't think there is anything that leads to a conclusion that that condition of nonpublication continued after the date of this report, which I think is very siificant. Q. (By Ms. Nial) If that condition of nonp~ublication did continue after the date of this report, would that make a difference as to whether or not the company could assume the position that Mr. Rodgman is ~i?using in that section that we just MR. NEWBOLD: Are you asking him to make that assumption as part of your hypothetical? MS. NIAL: Yes. A. You're asking me to assume that t11esCrep orts -- Q. Were not published. A.-- were not published? Q. Correct. A. And the question is -- I Q. If you make that assumption that 2 they were not published, does that make a 3 diffen;nce as to whether or not the company 4 can "justifiably assume the position that s the publication of data pertaining to 6 cigarette smoke composition or physiological 7 properties should be withheld because such 8 data might affect adversely the company's 9 economic status when the company has already 10 im lied in its plea that no such etiologic 1 I effect exists"? 12 A. Well, what you're asking me 13 really, is a question of business Riies, an 14 area in which I don't profess any expertise. 15 And I just will have to answer the question 16 I don't know. 17 MR. NEWBOLD: Would this be a good is time to take a lunch break? 19 Ms. NIAL: It would. 20 ~Lunch break.) 21 22 nia liuich? Ms. Nial) Mr. Williams, have a 23 a Yes, we did. 17 questwn, tt was a process for lawyers t Q. Did you go to out to lunch with 2 tobacco lawyers? 3 A. With who? 4 Q. Mr. Newbold? s a No, I did not. 6 Q. Who did you go out to lunch with? 7 a With Mr. Ferns and Mr. Randles. a Q. Did you and,the la that you 9 went out to lunch with tal about your io testimony at all this morning? t 1 & We talked about one matter that, 12 perhaps, was not as clear as should be in 13 order to state my position on it. 14 Q. And what was that matter? t s A. It was a matter relating to the 16 setting up of a prooess. As you asked the Page l- Page 1, Page 1 ! w m ~ .-- 20 privilege ovef dociirsieats that would noti ' 21 otherwise qua for the privilege. 22 Q. What did they tell you was wrong 23 with your answer Page 145 - Page 15
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation CondenseIt! " Page 157 1 an agreement not to -- 1 2 Q. Target minors in their advertising. 2 3 A. -- target minors in their 3 4 advertis' gAnd then assume further that 4 s they breach this agreement and publish these 6 advertlsements. s 6 7 Q. Corrcct. 7 8 A. And your qutStion to me is: Is 8 9 that wrong in a business ethic sense? 9 1 0 Q. Is it wrong in a -- well, we'll go 10 11 through the list -- in a moral sense? 11 12 MR. NEWBOLD: Well, I object to the 12 13 form of the question.. I don't think I 13 14 endorsed him as a pnest or a rabbi. 14 1 s A. Well, I'm neither of those. And I 16 simpl don't know the answer to that. ls 16 17 Q. ~By Ms. Nial) In an ethical sense, 17 t s sir, would that be wrong to breach in your 1s 19 own voluntary code of ethics which you 19 20 publicized? 20 21 A.I don't think I have the knowledge 21 22 or expertise to answer that. 22 23 Q. So how would one determine whether 23 1 a cigarette company who targeted minors in 2 its advertising -- strilce that. How would 3 we determine whether or not the conduct of a 4 cigarette company in targeting its s advertising to minors was appropriate or 6 not? 7 MR. NEWBOLD: I'm going to object to 8 the form of the question. Because minors 9 could be under 21. Or minors could be under 10 18. Which minors are you talking about. 11 Q. (By Ms. Nial) The minors that we 12 have been talking about, sir, that were 13 under 18. 14 A. Under 18. 'Ihe answer is I don't i s know how you would set up a test for that. 16 QLet's talk a little bit more about 17 the Liggett settlement. Are you aware that 1 s as a part of the L~' gett settlement the 19 Liggett company has agreed to',turn over 20 ccrtain categories of document5 that are 21 subject to Ltggett's attorncy/client 22 privilege and waive that pnvilme? 23 A.I believe the news articlesl nssd t alluded to that, yes. 2 Q. Do you thlnk there is anything 3 improper about Liggett waiving its 4 atton~ey/client privilege andtu~n~ag s documents over to the Attorae~+s_ ('-ieaeisl as a 6 result 0f a settleIIlent8grGemCnt7 7 MR. NEWBOI-D: ! object to the form a of the~ gu~estion. 9 A. ~is would be an independent act by to one of several defendants with common t 1 interests. And I believe that whereas that 12 individual company an'ght be able to waive as 13 to internal documents that affedted only 14 that company, if there is any external 1 s effect as to the other common interest 16 parties, I would sa no, tt's not proper. -.~.-------~. s- cov y'a:i attonxy cGeat p'vilege thai"w 21 belongs to Liggett? 22 MR. NEWBOLD: Objection. You 23 misstated his testimony. Page 158 Page 159 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 Doposition of: Parham H. Williams, Ji a What I said was that Liggett, the client, it seems to me, could properly waive the privilege as to documents which were internal and affected only its interest, if there ase any such documents. But documents which have any external effect as to other common interest parties, I would say no. Q. Is that so even if the document -- let's say document A -- has never been shared with anybody within that common interest group? Has never been discussed with anybody in that common interest group? There is no reason for any member of that common interest group to even know that that document exists? A. Well, I think it also -- one has to know what the contents of the document is or are before I could answer that question. Q. So let's posit a document. Not a document. But let's posit a hypothetical document wherein Liggett discusses the fact that it is its opinion, based on its own internal review that the tobacco companies should be held liable for cigarette-rtlated diseases? MR. NEWBOLD: When that thing went off, I lost my train of thought. (To tlx court reporter) Could you just read it back? I'm not objecting to it. I just want to hear it. Court Reporter reads back.) Q. ( y Ms. Ntal) Would that document be subject, to a joint defense privilege, in youropu~uonr a'Ihis is a document which imputes liability to all of the common defendants; is that correct? Q.It says that it, based on its own review, tt believes that cigarette companies should be held liable for cigarette-rerated diseases. a Well, I would think that where the contents of the documents affect the common defendants or common parties to the action, that one party may not properly waive and t release that. 2 Q.Is it eoough that the contents of 3 the document affect a member of the common 4 intenestgrpup? Or did the documents have S to be eitIler based_ on or be d_oc_umr.ntg that 6 were actually shared between members of the 7 common interest group ?, s MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form. 9 Compound. 1o A.vVell, clearly if they're shared 11 with the common tnterest parties, I don't 12 think that one of the parties could waive. 13 And your question earlier was based on that 14 assummption as I understood it. t s Q. No. Ro. 'Ibis was a document that 16 was purely Liggett. Not shared with any 1;oi2ft-1laterest or.COmmon tatete,~t 20 the common - interestgroup members. Based 21 purely on a review of Liggett only 22 information. 23 MR. NEWBOLD: Question, please. Page 16 Page 16 Page 16. Page 157 - Page 16' , -- _ - -- _-- -- ~r~3--~~~~:-- ~..
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12 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 our opinion, of this deposition ,._ (Plaintiff!s Exhibit No. 1 was marked for identification. A copy is attached.) Q. (By Ms. Nial) Mr. Williams, I understand that you are a lawyer. However, I'd like to go over a couple of ground rules so that you and I are both communicating on the same level in this deposition. First of all, I will try to be as clear as I possibly can in my questions to you. And I will try to speak as loudly and as carefully as I can so that you can understand my diction. If you do not understand the question; that is, the substance of the Ln ~-j m m 6P. -j w m 110 question, please let me know. If you can't hear me, ask me to speak up. If you need a break, let me know. _ If there's no question pending, I'll be happy to give you a break. I don't want to make you uncomfortable or cause you EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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t Mississippi Tobacco Litigation t any difficulty quitting? 2 A. No. 3 Q. What was the age at which you began 4 smOkuig? 5 A. I started when I was in law 6 school. Probably the fu-st year in law 7 school. So I would have been about 21. 8 Q. And you stopped when? 9 A. Well, I smoked for maybe, two to years. I did not smoke ?or a while after I t t graduated from law school. And then a few 12 years later, when I became District 13 Attorney, I started smoking again but quit 14 after about eight months. 15 QD,o~ou know why you started 16 smolcung 17 A. I think because of the stress of is law school, studying, and other law students 19 smoking. 20 Q. V~ere you aware that there was 21 nicotine in the cigarette smoke that you 22 were ingesting? 23 A. I was aware of that. t Q. Were you aware that the nicotine 2 had a~Qharmacological impact on you? 3 A. !`1O. 4 MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of s the question. 6 A. You're asking, me to assume that it 7 does have and this is established. s Q. (By Ms. Nial) No. I asked if you 9 were aware -- 10 A. But you're asking me to assume that t t it does have a pharmacological effect. 12 Q. No. I'm asking you were aware that 13 there was a pharmacotogical effect. t4 A. Well, assuming that there was a 1 s pharmacological I wasn't aware of 16 lt. 17 Q. And as you sit here, you're not t a aware of any pharmacological effect that 19 cigarette smoking or the nicotine in 20 cigarette smoke may have on any human being? 21 A. That is correct. 22 Q. And you are not aware of any 23 disease that may be related to cigarette t smoking? 2 a If you're asking am I aware of the 3 controversy; that is, that there am those 4 who say there is such an effect and there s are those who say it isn't proven. I'm 6 aware of the controversy. Personally, I do 7 not have the expertise to determine that a there is or is not. 9 Q. Do you think there are persons who 1o have that expertise? t 1 a I'm sure. At least I hope there 12 are. 13 Q. And who might those persons be? 14 A. Well, I think they are research t s scientists who are trained in the field who 16 can identify carci~nogcns. And asstuning that 17 it can be established to a reasonable a:;~ciex3ti~ic ce~Iyr,;~:~yoyld sa 21 that ha's ever been established.'' So I guess 22 the best answer is I'm not aware. 23 Q. Whett you met with Mr. Newbold and CondenseIt! n'` Page 133 Page 134 Page 135 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 DePo sition of: Parham H. Williams, J Mr. Randles -- I believe you met with them twice together. A. In early March and then again yesterday. Q. So that's three times. Did Mr. Newbold or Mr. Randles discuss with you the not proven concept that you've just discussed relating to cigarette smoking and ill health? A. I don't recall specifically. I think, perhap s, it could have been discussed. it also could be reflected in some of these materials. Q. Have you always believed that the relationship between cigarette smoking and ill health had not been proven? MR. NEWBOLD: Object. I think you misstated his prior testimony. I think he said he didn't know. Q. By Ms. Nial) Do you believe -- A. ould you ask the question again? I got confused. Q. Sure. I believe you did use the 1 term, just in the last answer or Previous 2 answer -- the term "not proven. ' Do you 3 recall using that term? 4 A. Yes, I do. s Q. Have you always used that term in 6 teference to the causal relationship between 7 cigarette smoking and ill health? a A.'Ille answer to that would be no. 9 Because I haven't really used that or 1o expressed any views about it until I began 11 thtnking_about this. And then I became 12 aware of the fact that this is an open 13 question. It is a controversy. And certain 14 things arc not proven. 1 s Q. You've only reviewed the internal 16 documents from tobacco industry -- from the 17 tobacca industry which were attached to a is variety of tl~it~gs made by plaintiffs; is 19 that correct? 20 A. I've reviewed those that are on the 21 list of materials reviewed. Now whether they 22 were attached, I don't know. 23 Q. But you haven't reviewed any other 1 internal industry docturnnts? 2 A. No. 3 Q.I have a docuntent that I'd like to 4 talk to you a little bit about, which I s assume you have not reviewed. 6 (Plaintiff s Exhibit No. 8 was 7 marked for identification. A 8 copyts attached.) - 9 (Mr. Newbold reviews document.) 10 MS. NIAL: Counsel, Can I ask 11 questions? Or are you still reviewing it? 12 . MR. NEWBOLD: Well, I think that you 13 can ask questions subject to the statement 14 that I tead at the beginains, of the is depositionpertat to privileged or 16 confidential ~.etuu~ ts. 17 .. But I will tell you that just by ; 21 prtvtleged or confidential, I would asK that 22 tt fall under the rubric of the paragraph 23 that I read at the beginning of the Page t : Page 1: Page 1: Page 133 - Page 1?
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14 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 A. Professor of law. Q Are you also dean? I was dean until last June the lst. And then reverted to full-time teaching. Q. Now, why did you leave your position as dean on June lst? I had completed a total of 25 years as a law school dean, and this was a very good time to do what I had wanted to do for the past couple of years. And that is to go back to full-time teaching in the classroom. Q• And have you always been, during the 25 years, Dean of the Cumberland Law School? A. No. I was Dean of Cumberland for 11 years. And then prior to that, was Dean of the,University of Mississippi Law School for 14 years. Q. And why did you leave the Mississippi Law School to come to -- A. That's an interesting story. Over time and one has been a-dean for some 14 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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13 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 you need to get up and walk around the room, please feel free to do so. A. Thank you. Q. As the stenographer needs to have one of us speaking at a time, I will try not to interrupt your answers if you'll try not to interrupt my questions. You understand that this deposition may, in fact, be used at trial? A. Yes. Q. Are you represented today by personal counsel? I'm here with Mr. Bill Newbold, but not with personal counsel other than that Q. And Mr. Newbold represents the defendant, Lorillard; is that correct? A. Yes, that is correct. Q. Where do you presently work? A. I am on the faculty of the Cumberland School of Law of Samford University here in Birmingham. And when you say you are on the 22 4. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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15 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 3 4. 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 nature, develop on the faculty. about the course of that Law School And.there were differing ideas and what it should be and particularly about its relationship to the profession in Mississippi. I had very strong views on that. Interest groups in the faculty had other views.. So as a consequence, under the policy of the University, which requires review by the faculty of a department or a school every four years of the person who is chair or dean of that department or school, the majority of that faculty decided that they would rather follow their policy instead of mine. 4• was? Could you tell me what your policy A. I felt very strongly tha_t the Law • School should relate closely to the bar. I think that part of the function of a law 22 (1 school, in addition to -educating young men EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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19 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 administrative position. , let.!.s see. My 65th birthday was June the 8th, 1996. So the termination of that spring semester, May 31st being the end of the fiscal year for that University, I coincided very nicely with the University- policy. It was a very convenient time for me. Q. As a full-time law professor at the Cumberland University, what classes do you teach? A. I'm currently teaching a section of evidence and criminal procedure. We call it Criminal Procedure 1, which is the investigative stage. Q. And what level are the-students that you teach? A. The evidence students are second semester, first year students: And the r criminal pro students are largely third year. 22 II Q. Are you involved in any clinical EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 20 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. A. Not currently, no. Q. Are.you ..in.volved in any one-on-one teaching relationships with any of your students? A. Not this semester. But typically, one does have students who take what is called directed research for one hour of credit. An-d they do work with the professor one-on-one, and they prepare a paper. But I do not have any students this semester. Q. Have you done that in the past? A. I have done that in the past. Q• And what kind of areas of law have you done with your students in the directed ~ ~ research program? ! A. It almost always has been an area of evidence law. One area of interest has been hearsay and various aspects of that. L,I N ~ Q. Do you currently teach any classes G 5C. in ethics? A. I do not. . EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO ~ w J -.1
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,- iT"G -7-t_. Mississippi Tobacco Litigation 1 administrative position. 2 So, let's see. My 65th birthday 3 was June the 8th, 1996. So the termination 4 of thatsp ring semester, May 3 1 st being the s end of the fiscal year for that University, 6 I coincided very nicely with the University 7 policy. It was a very convenient time for 8 me. 9 Q. As a full-time law professor at the 1o Cumberland University, what classes do you t t teach? 12 A.I'm cutrently teaching a section of 13 evidence and criminal procedure. We call it 14 Criminal Procedure 1, which is the t s investigative stage. 16 Q. And what level are the students 17 that you teach? 1 s A. The evidence students are second 19 semester, first year students. And the 2o criminal pro students are largely third 21 year. 22 Q. Are you involved in any clinical 23 programs at the University? I A. Not currently no. , 2 Q. you invotved tn any one-on-one 3 teaching relationships with any of your 4 students? 5 A. Not this semester. But typically, 6 one does have students who take what is 7 called directed research for one hour of s credit. And they do work with the professor 9 one-on-one, and they prepare a paper. But I lo do not have any students this semester. t t Q. Have you done that in the past? 12 A. I have done that in the past. 13 Q. And what kind of areas of law have 14 you done with your students in the directed 15 research program? 16 A. It aimost always has been an area 17 of evidence law. One area of interest has 18 been hearsay and various aspects of that. 19 Q. Dopu currently teach any classes 2o in ethics. 21 A.I do not. 22 Q. Have you ever taught any classes in 23 ethics? A. I have never taught a formal class in ethics. But of course, ethics permeates much of the substantive content of the courses that I teach. Q. Have you ever written any articles on ethics? A. I have not. Q. Any articles on evidence? a I have. Q. Have those articles appeared in what could be called for lawyers pure review j ournals? A. Pure review in a sense that law reviews are typically student edited. So I gess if you speak of faculty pure review, e answer would be no. But I have had 1 2 3 4 s 6 7 a 9 10 tl 12 13 14 ls 16 t? • publications. in studcnt-edited.taw n;views, 21 a 205-870-2158. 22 Q. And your social security number? 23 A.426-78-6839. CondenseIt! " Page 19 Page 20 Page 21 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 Dep sition of: Parham H. Williams, Jr 2 Q. J~d yo 93dalte of birth? 3 Q. Are y8our married, sir? 4 A. I am. s Q. And your wife's name? 6 A. Polly Franklin Williams. 7 Q. How long have you bcen matried, 8 sir? 9 A. Since September 5, 1954, which will to be 42p lus years. t t Q. Congratulations. 12 A. Thank you. 13 Q. Do you have any children? 14 A. I do. 1 s Q. How many children do you have? 16 A. I have four. 17 Q. Do they range in age? What is 18 their range in age. 19 A The oldest is a daughter who is 20 39. And the next is a son -- excuse me. I 21 believe she's currently 3 8. The next is a 22 son who's 36. Then a son who is 34. And a 23 son who is 30. 1 Q. And do our children have any 2 grandchildren,; 3 A.'Ibey do. Well, they have children, 4 and I have grandchildren. s Q.I assume that tltey're all married 6 A. The four children are, yes. 7 Q. How old are yourgrandchildren? 9 m~~T~ley range in age from 11 to 11 10 Q. And how many grandchildren do you 11 have? 12 A. Six. 13 Do they all live in the Birtningham 14 atCa. 1 s A. No. One son and his wife live 16 here. One son, his wife, and three children 17 live in Oxford, Mississippi. The daughter, ts her husband, and two children live in 19 Oxfor Misstssipp i. And a son, his wife, 20 and chi d live in Ftanklin, Tennessee. 21 Q. Professor Williams, are you taking 22 any medication today that might tmpair 23 your -- t A. No, I have not. 2 Q. Don't take these questions the 3 o~r c~ognvcoed but aa~ icrmya? ever been arrested s A. No. 6 Q. Have you ever been subject to an 7 investigation by any bar or grievance s commtttoe? 9- A. No. Other than whatever took place 10 when I was originally admitted to the bar. t t But I doubt that anything took place at that 12 point. 13 Q. And to your knowledge, there is no 14 grievanx pending against you before any -- t s A. No. To my knowledge, there is none. 16 Q.I'm going to talk to you a little btt Q~.. ai8t10A,fos ~1G p~-.• ~i: .`s~.~u r.~'~...y~ Y~ ~~=triM. 21 'A. Yes, I did. 22 Q. I wonder if you could you tell me 23 about them, please? Page 2: Page 2: Page 2, . ii~ Page 19 - Page 2.
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18 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 issues on a personal basis over time. I'm sure there were those too. Q. Were there any concerns expressed by either the provost o.r any of the other persons involved in that situation regarding your academic abilities? ' A. No. Q. What is your current business address? A. Incidentally, let me add that I did have tenure there and could have remained on that faculty as a full-time teacher. Now my current business address is the-Cumberland School of Law, Samford University, 800 Lakeshore Drive, Birmingham, Alabama, 35229. Q. Now, when you left the position of Dean at Cumberland, did you leave because you decided to, quotes, retire from being a dean? - A. Yes. That was a decision. But it coincided also with University policy at Samford, which was that persons who reached EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO Ln N m .~ w J U1
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21 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 A. I have never taught a formal class in ethics. But of c.ourse, ethics permeates much of the substantive courses that I teach. Q. content of the Have you ever written any articles on ethics? A. I have not. Q. Any articles Q• I have. on evidence? Have those articles appeared in what could be called for lawyers pure review journals? A. Pure review in a sense that law reviews are typically student edited. So I guess if you speak of faculty pure review, the answer would'be no. But I have had publications in student-edited law reviews Q. What is your home phone number? A. 205-870-7622. Q. And your office? ~ A. 205-870-2158. Q. And your social security number? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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r:.Am: ~rr.r:w4c .~:....i1..~:.„~ ~_. Mississippi Tobacco Litigation i documents. I frankly did not act on it, 2 because I,'ust didn't want to sit down and 3 go througti a CD full of docuznents. But 4 beyond tbat, I don't know. s Q. You didn't have any curiosity about 6 what those documents might say? 7 A. Well, I had seen excerpts from them 8 and in the chapttrs in "The Cigarette 9 Papers." And i frankly did not have time. I to was told that they're fairly voluminous, and t t I did not have time to sit down and go , 12 through the CD. So I did not order it. 13 Q. Do you think that before the trial 14 you might have time to review the Brown & ts Williamson documents? 16 A.I may have time to do that. And if 17 1 feel it would be useful in developing t8 testimony, then I will likely do that. 19 Q. Would you be likely to purchase 20 your own CD-ROM? 21 A. Well, I think a CD-ROM is S250, as 22 I recall. 23 Q. Yes. t' A. And that might have been a 2 restraint on my ordering it initially. But 3 1 probably would, if I c~lose to do that. 4 Q.I'm sure Mr. Newbold might pay for s that. Document 17. Do you tzcall this 6 document? 7 MR. NEWBOLD: Is this an exhibit? 8 MS. NIAL: We Can Jnake it an 9 exhibit. 10 MS. NIAL: This is the document that 11 you provided to Mr. Williams, document 17, a 12 statcment concerning the origin and purpose 13 of the Tobacco Industry Rescarch Committoe ta and its proposed functions. is MrQW liyazns~l that document, 17 MR. NEWBOLD: If we're going to mark 1 s this, I would like to note that thene's sonie 19 highlighting on it. And I would suspect that 20 if you use it at trial, you will get a-- you 21 will use a document that's not highhghted 22 MS. NIAL: We'll provide a clean 23 copy of the document. I MS. BURLEY: t would be happy to 2 make a copy now, if you'd like. 3 MS. rnAL: Well, let me ask the 4 question. So you might want to -- well, you s can identify that as an exhibit right now. 6 (Platntiff s Exhibit No. ~was 7 marked for identification. A 8 copy is attached.) 9 A. May I take a moment? 10 Q.Of course. t t (Deponent reviews document.) 12 Q. Ivlr.'Wildes, excluding the 13 highlights, which I did -- 1 a MR. NEWBOLD: This is Mr. Williams. 1 s Q. Sor,ry. Mr. Williams. Ex luding the 16 highlightulg which I put on th~s document, 17 . have you soeo thi$.document W o r~c?~ -, _ ~ 20`tO~iCCO ttt awyeis? 21 A. Correct. - CondenseItl T'' Deposition of: Parham H. Williams, J Page 223 Page 2; Page 224 Page 225 t9 reason is based on this document and some of 20 the other readings that I have had occasion 21 to review. 22 Q. Now, you have reviewed "The Frank 23 Statetnent of Cigarette Smokers"? 8 Conuntttee in the interest of the public as 9 well as of the industrX to meet the to challenge raised by widely publicized t t reports in the press,pwpo rttng to link 12 tobacco smoking with the cause of lung 13 cancer." Did I read that correctly? 14 A.You did. 1 s Q. Is that your understanding of the 16 reason the Tobacco Industry Research 17 Committee was founded? 18 A. Yes. My understanding of the I look at thts section or the document for me. 2 It says "Tbe responsible chief 3 officers of t{ie nine cigarette and tobacco 4 products manufacturing companies in America s and five organizations ofgrowers of leaf 6 tobacco and tobacco warehouse associations 7 have formed the Tobacco Industry Research I a Yes. 2 Q. I'm sorry. "To Cig arette Smokers," 3 which we'1l make Exhibit 11. 4 (Plaintiff's Exhibit No. 11 was s marked for identification. A 6 copy is attached.) 7 thatQF~ stat take at,tI'd lilce to vask you a 9 couple of questions about these two io docu~ts? 12 (De~poes~it reviews documents.) 13 Q. Now, I wonder if you could point 14 out to me on the Frank~tatement where it is 1 s disclosed to the public -- and perhaps it's 16 here. I'd like you to show it to me. 17 Where it ts disclosed to the public 18 that the Tobacco Industry Research Committee 19 is being established in the interest of the 20 industry. 21 It says in the interest of the 22 public and in the interest of the industry. 23 Does the interest of the industry come up in i the frank statement at all? 2 MR. NEwBOLa: Object to the form of 3 the question. 4 A. I don't see language to that s effect. 6 Q. Now, just to make sttre on the 7 rw,ord, this isn't the fuit time you've, s seen this document. So I'm not surprising 9 you with it. I wonder if you could read to this section. I'll read it and then maybe t I you can comment on it. 12 "In the light of the foregoing 13 agitation and in the absence of. 14 authoritative ftndings, there is a tsresponsibility on the of the management 16 of the tobaooo manuf~actttrers and others w ..Z:1 ....L.:i:;] Ci, Ll:'tI',:- c:' _ 22 Q. (Indicating) I wonder if you could 23 read -- or not out loud, but if you could EDMONDSON REPORTiNG & VIDEO, 324-2333 ~ ERA% . IRX 20' ln to enCOutBgC competent SCieAtific 21 au~to find ultimate facts which will 22 dispel pnesatt confusion and to 23 communicate authoritatiVe factual Page 2s Page 22 Page 223 - Page 22
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23 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Q. And do your children have any grandchildren? A. They do. Well, they have children, and I have grandchildren. Q. I assume that they're all married. A. The four children are, yes. Q. How old are your grandchildren? have? They range in age from 11 to 11 And how many grandchildren do you A. Six. Q. Do they all live in the Birmingham area? A. No. One son and his wife live here. One son, his wife, and three children live in Oxford, Mississippi. The daughter, her husband, and two children live in Oxford, Mississippi. And a son, -his wife, and child live in Franklin, Tennessee. any Q. Professor Williams, are you taking medication today that might impair EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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24 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 A. No, I have not. Q. Don't take these questions the wrong way, but have you ever been arrested or convicted of a crime? A. No. Q. Have you ever been subject to an investigation by any bar or grievance committee? • A. No. Other than whatever took place when I was originally admitted to the bar. But I doubt that anything took place at that point. Q. And to your knowledge, there is no grievance pending against you before any A. No. To my knowledge, there is none. Q. I'm going to talk to you a little bit about your preparation for the deposition today. Did you have any meetings with counsel in preparation for today's deposition? A. Yes, I did. 22 11 Q. I wonder if y.ou could you tell me EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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22 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 2 3 4 And your date of birth? June 8, 1931. Q. Are your married, sir? A. I am. Q. And your wife's name? A. Polly Franklin Williams. How long have you been married, sir? Since September 5, 1954, which will be 42 plus years. Q. Congratulations. A. Thank you. Q. Do you have any children? A. I do. Q. How many children do you have? A. I have four. Q. Do they range in age? What is their range in age? A. The oldest is a daughter_who is 39. And the next is a son -- excuse me. I believe she's currently 38. The next is a son who's 36. Then a son who is 34. And a EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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25 ,DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 A. The first meeting with counsel took place on January the 8th of this year. And persons present included Brooke Ferris, Bill Newbold, and Bob McDermott. Q. And at that meeting, what issues were discussed? A. Principally, Mr. McDermott gave a background•of tobacco company litigation over time. Q. Did he talk to you about the substance of your testimony here today? A. Not except that he said that they were -- they were looking for expert testimony concerning the ethical considerations relating to lawyer representation of the tobacco companies. But at that point, I had not told them that I would be a witness. So it was pretty general. - Q. Was this just a meet-and-greet type meeting? A. Largely so. But also informational. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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30 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 I Mr. Ferris in other litigation? A. Not for Mister -- no. Q. Had you been an expert for any of the lawyers that you met with on January 8th in other litigation? A. No. Q Have you been an expert in other litigation? A. I have. Q. Could you tell me in each individual case, first, the name of the case, if you would, and the issues on which you were an expert? A. All right. The case is this case -- the Mississippi case against the tobacco companies. And I was contacted probably in November of 1994 by George Hewes, who is an attorney in the Brunini firm in Jackson. And he asked to meet with me. We did meet, and there was some conversation about my being an expert witness. At that EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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29 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 A. It was. Q. Did Mr.-Ferris tell you why he thought you would be a good choice as an expert in this litigation? A. I don't recall specifically the conversation. But it was to the effect that he felt like that I would have the expertise and knowledge that could be helpful to them. Q. Had you known Mr. Ferris before he that phone call? Yes. In what capacity did you know him? I once had the privilege of Mr. Ferris in law school. Was he a good student? Oh, he was the best. Any other relationship with Mr. Ferris? A. I've known him over time-since he graduated from law school, and I've worked with him in various law school alumni functions and things of that sort. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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28 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 Q 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 I do not at this point. Before your meeting with Brooke Ferris, Mr. Newbold, and Mr. McDermott, had you r.ead the JAMA articles? A. No, I had not. Q. At the time of your meeting in January on January 8th, did you request any documents at the end of your meeting? A. I did not request any documents that I recall. I was -- no. I did not request any. Q. At the end of your January 8th meeting, did you agree to testify? A. I did not. Q• testify? When did you decide that you would A. Probably four or five days later after thinking about it. Q. And how did you communicate decision to testify? 21 11 A. Mr. Ferris called Ln ~-A your m 0 me by telephone. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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3 1 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 did not, at that time, prepare an affidavit or render any other service. Now when Mr. Hewes contacted you, did he contact you in.refe.rence to the Mike Moore case or -- A. Yes. Q• Did Mr. Hewes also discuss with you the possibility of testifying in the Butler case? Q No. Has Mr. Ferris discussed with you the possibility of testifying in the Butler case? A' . N o . Q• When Mr. Hewes contacted you in 1994, did he tell you why he thought you would be a good witness or good expert witness in the tobacco litigation? A. He told me that he thought that I had the respect of the bar and the judiciary. And that I had the knowledge necessary to be helpful - on issues relating EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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32 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 he felt like I would be a suitable witness. Did.u y.o.u. know Mr. Hewes before he contacted you? A. Yes. Q. How did you know Mr. Hewes? A. I knew Mr. Hewes when we were law students together and have know him ever since. Q. Didn't teach Mr. Hewes? A. No. Q. Did I hear you correctly that you did not do an affidavit at that time? A. That is correct. Q. Have you since done any affidavits in tobacco litigation? A. I have. Q. You have. And for what case? A. Same case. Mississippi Attorney General's case. Q. I haven't seen such an affidavit. So I wonder -- are you sure that it was an affidavit that you drafted? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 26 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. rt retained? A. That's correct. Q. Did you receive any documents at your January 8th meeting? A. I did not. Q. When Mr. McDermott gave you a . background or a summary of the tobacco litigation,, what types of issues did he discuss with you? A. To the best of my recollection, he talked about the role of lawyers in representing an industry which is confronted with a source of continuing litigation and regulatory control as a tobacco industry. Q. Did he ask you at that point in time what your views were on representation? A. I don't recall a specific -- my views on what? On the representation of the tobacco industry by lawyers? A. don't recall a specific question 22 to that effect. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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33 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 MS. NIAL: I wonder if we might have a copy of that affidavit, Mr. Newbold. did not see it in the box. It was not I produced. And I have only seen the 26 (b) statement. Take that request under advisement, if you like. MR. NEWBOLD: I shall. Q. (By Ms. Nial) Can you tell me when you drafted that affidavit? Yes. It was done in January and February of 1996. 4• Were you told the purpose of the cn H m m ~ ~ w ~ m affidavit? A. The subject matter of it related to the propriety of defense lawyer contacts with state government employees. Q. What was the substance of the opinion that you provided in that affidavit? A. That such contacts were-clearly authorized with state employees such as the director of the medicaid division, professors at the school of law, othe_r state EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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17 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 And as a consequence of those .interviews, then the provost, I suppose, I really am not privy to the process at that point, tallies up the pros and cons and then makes a decision. Q. were you advised by letter that your, if I might use the word, relationship as dean wit,h the Law School was terminated? A. Yes, I was. Q. And what did the letter say, if you recall? A. I don't recall specifically now. But basically to the effect that as a result of this policy review, the decision was that my -- I would not be reappointed as dean for another four years. Basically, that's what it said. Q. And it was a purely policy-oriented Ln dispute that resulted in your termination? ~ m A. I'm sure there were personal issues ~ w involved too. When you are dean of a school ~ and control such things, as faculty salaries, + EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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_ ~._~.•~~; Mississippi Tobacco Litigation t worked for him in this case in the state of 2 Kentucky? 3 A. I've known him all of his life, 4 yes. 5 Q. Did you teach him in law school? 6 A.I didyteach him in law school. 7 Q. Was he a good student? 8 A. He, too, was a great student. 9 Q. Besides Mr. Barrett, Mr. Ferris, lo Mr. Hewes, and maybe the rest of the known i l world, who else involved in this litigation 12 are your friends or students? 13 A. You mean in the total tobacco 14 the Mississippi Attorney General -- 15 Q. In the tobacco litigation about 16 which we are here toda . 17 MR. NEWBOLD: Well, you said 1s "friends or students." Could you restate 19 it? 20 Q By Ms. Nial) Friends or students. 21 And i you can identify if a person is a 22 friend or student. 23 A. Well, I suspect that almost all 1 counsel on both sides would qualify either 2 as a former student.or friend. And I, you 3 know -- frankly I don't recall who 4 represents who but if I could see the list, s I could check them off for you. 6 Q. Anyone else involved in the 7 litigation a student? 8 A. No. I think only those attorneys 9 that we are talking about. 10 Q.In the case in Kentucky, you were I I not deposed; is that cotrect. 12 A. That's correct. 13 Q. Did you offer an affidavit? 14 A.I didY 15 Q. Was that affidavit filed with the 16 Court? 17 A. I do not know the answer to that. 18 I submitted it, and that was it, 19 Q. Was the trial judge, in fact, 2o disqualified? 21 A.I do not know the sesults of the 22 matter. 23 Q. Do you know what the substance of I the case was? 2 A. As I recall, yes I do. It was a 3 Suit against CCrt81n &fendant3 for 4 environmental pollutiondamages And I don't s recall any of the details beyond that. 6 Q. Besides your work as an expert for 7 Mr. Barrett in the state of Kentucky, have s you done any other work as an expert? 9 A. You said "tn the state of 1o Kentucky"? 1 t Q. No. Besides the work that you did 12 in the state of Kentucky, are there any 13 other instances? 14 A. No, I don't think so. 1 s Q. And you've never been deposed 16 before, have you? 17 A. I have been. l8 20 - 21 at the University of Mississippi, there was 22 a suit filed agatnst the Univer~iry, the 23 Board of Trustees, the Dean, and the CondenseIt! °i` Page 73 Page 74 Page 75 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 3 Q. And what was the substance of that 4 litigation? S A. Certain students at the Law School 6 felt they had been unfairly discriminated 7 against in~ ng and retention policies of s the Law School. 9 Q?Was it a racial discrimination 10 CaSC t 1 A. Essentially so, yes. 1 z Q. Was it brought in federal court? 13 A.It was. 14 Q. Did I hear you correctly that you is were a indtvidual defendant in that case? 16 A. Yes. As I recall, the Dean, the 17 Chancellor, and perhaps there were other 1 s individual defendants as well as the 19 entities themselves. 20 Q. Were yourePresented separately by 21 an attorney in that case? 22 A. I was. 23 Q. Who was that attorney? 2 testified in that through deposition. Eena sition of. Parham H. Williams, J I Chancellor of the University. And I 1 A.Joel Blass. 2 Q. his representation paid for by 3 the University? 4 A. My recollection is yes. s Q. What was the outcome of that 6 litigation? 7 A. There was a consent decree. s Q. What was the substance of the 9 consent decree if you recall? 10 A. As I nxall, the Law School the I I University, and the Board agree~ to provide 12 a certain sum for scholarships for mtnority 13 persons who wished to go to Law School. 14 I do not believe over -- of course, is I'm to remember 22 years ago. I 16 don't ~ there was any lessening of 17 retention or standards invoved in t s the consent ~ But I think there was a 19 comntitttunt to provide scholarships. 2o Q. Now you mentioned that was 20 21 somethiagye~s ago. 22 A I tlttnk that was in 1973 or ' 74. 23 Q. So when you testified in this 1 particular case that we've 'ust been 2 dtsctsstng, you were test~ying as a party 3 defendant7 4 A. Yes. I did not testify, now. I $ simply gave a deposition. 6 ;~Q. Any oth~ tunes in which you've 9~ N~~o.. That's the only time I've been to Q. I wonder if we could taUc a Iittle 11 bit about your disclosure statement. 12 MR. NEWBOLD: His 26 (b)? 13 MS. NIAL: Yes. 14 Q. By Ms. Nial) And I believe that is your 'selosure statement, if I'm not 16 correct, was accompanied by your curriculum 17~ vitae. 21 Q.It says, "See attached curriculum 22 vitae." 'Ibat's what I'm basing it on. 23 A.Okay. Page Page i Page 7 Page 73 - Page 7
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35 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. . 1 2 3 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 MR. NEWBOLD: I'm going to object to this question.. I.und.erstand the Mississippi rules as it pertains to the cross-examination of an expert witness is to be fairly wide open and indeed wide open if it's relevant and can lead to discoverable evidence.. But this really seems to be far afield of why Dean Williams has been designated as an expert witness in this case. And I object. MS. NIAL: Are you directing the witness not to answer? MR. NEWBOLD: No. I'm not directing -- I don't think I have the right to direct him not to answer under the case u, management. I represent it doesn't go to ~ ~ privilege or proprietary information or '~ ~ w trade secrets. But it does strike me as N being rather proactive, and I object. Q. (By Ms. Nial) I wonder if you answer the question? could EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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38 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 recommendation. .Q. Who did you recommend? A. I recommended Tom Morgan, who used to be Dean of the Emory Law School. And as I understand, is now on the faculty, I believe, of George Washington University. But I'm not certain of that. Q. Do you know whether or not Mr. Hewes ever contacted Mr. Morgan? A. I do not. Q. Besides giving a recommendation to Mr. Hewes for an ethics expert, what other recommendations or information did you give to Mr. Hewes at that time? A. I think that was it. Q. Was that the day on which you discussed the affidavit that you later draf ted? A. No. _ . Q. Besides the telephone call in early November, when did you discuss that affidavit again? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation 1 state employees, had you ever done any 2 research or writuig into that issue before? 3 A. I had done some research in 4 connection with my evidence course. I had s not done any writing. 6 Q. Had your ever provided expert 7 opintan on that issue in any other 8 htigatton? 9 A. I had not. 1o Since you've completed the 11 affidavit in late February 199¢, have you 12 had any further.discussions with either 13 Mr. Hewes, Mr. Colingo, or Ms. McDowell 14 regarding your affidavit? 1s A. I have had a brief telephone 16 discussion with Mr. Hewes, which did not 17 relate to the substance of the affidavit. 1 s Q. The look on your face requires me 19 to ask. What was the substance? 20 A. Well, it was about my bill that I 21 had submitted. 22 O.Okay. I'll bite. What was your 23 bill't What was your bill for that 1 affidavit? 2 A. I think the charge was at that 3 time, S225 an hour. And i? I recall 4 correctly, I think the total amounted to s around 55,000. 6 ~~~Did Mr. Hewes think your bill was 7 too Ii1Qh? 8 a~o. He said he thought it was very 9 much in order. 1 o Q. And was that the last discussion t i you had of that affidavit? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. During your conversation with 14 Mr. Hewes regarding the bill for your 1s affidavit, did you discuss any other 16 possible work that you might do for him? 17 A. No, we did not. 1 s Q. Now, when last we left Mr. Ferris, 19 you had just telephone called him -- or 20 called hun on the telephone -- to tell him 21 you would testify in the Moore case for 22 Lorillard; is that correct? 23 A. Yes. CondenseIt! "'` Deposition of: Parham H. Williams, Jr Page 43 Page 44 Page 45 i MrQFernris on~theyphon~e, what ig sst to did you 3 discuss? 4 A. Only the matter of acetpting their 5 request that we did not get into such 6 matters. 7 Q. Did you talk about what your hourly s charge would be? 9 A. Not on that -- not in that 1o conversation. 1 t Q. Did you discuss how much time might 12 be involved in pt+eparing for your testimony? 13 A. I don't think we did that time, 14 other than in a very general sense. 1 s Q. Did Mr. Ferns discuss with you the 16 possibility of visiting the offices of 1~ gho ok, I•Fardy & Bac_oq?_ -- ~ ~~•1~18._..elc:/>.Nor 2A `that you wo61~ 21 Shookt Hardy & Bacon 22 A. Not in that conversation, to my 23 knowledge. _ Page 4t I 1994 a~d today , ha ve yo uisiHt~ the Shook, 3 Hardy offices? 4 A. I havc not. 6 an other ShooMk, ~dlisa,wdyoeT you know 7 A. I do not. s Q. When was the next meeting to 9 discuss the substance of your testimony here 10 today? t t A. As I recall, it was on January 31, 12 1997. 13 Q. In the materials that were provided 14 to us relating to your testimony today, we ts got a letter and a list of issues. I wonder 16 if you could tell me who attended that 17 meeting on January 31st. 1s MR. NEWBOLD: Pm sorry. Which 19 meeting? 20 MS. NIAL: Jan 31 st. 21 A. Jan 31, 1997 was 22 attended bill Newbold and Billy Randles 23 and Brooke Ferris. 1 MR. NEWBOLD: Parham, I think you 2 rnisspoke. 3 A I'm sorry. It was not Randles. It 4 was Bob McDermott. I'm sorry. 5 Q. (By Ms. Nial) Bob McDermott. And 6 Mr. McDamott is with Jones, Day; is that 7 cotTCCt? 8 a'Ibat's my understanding. 10 plaa?md whae did that meeting take t t A. That took pe lace here in Birmingham. 12 Q. And how long did that meeting last? 13 A That was essentially an all-day 14 mce It started around 9:00, and I is think they left around 3:30. 16 Q.I be 'eve we found it. We'll make 17 this Exhibit 2 to this deposition. 1s (Plaintiff's Exhibit No. 2 was 19 marked for identification. A 20 co y~1s attached.) 21 Q. AndpMr Williams, I wonder if you 22 tecogi ~ Exhibit 2. t Q. And you recall receiving it? 2 a I do. 3 Q. And to the best of your 4 t+oe.llectioa were these the issues listed s on page 2 o~' Exhibit 2-- were they the 6 Jssues th3 i~w?ere discussed at the meeting on ~ 8 A. Yes. _ m 9 Q. Do you recall any other issues that '" 1o were eovetzd at that meeting? ,, t 1 A. It was a lengthy moeting. And the ~ 12 conversation deait wtth those issues, ~, 1-2 i ll I hi k h i pr nctpa y t n t at was about -- t . 14 may have been some more background, is historical information. I don't recall at 16 this point. 17 Q. Pnor to the January 31 st moeting Page 4' Page 4 agal&Ab=dnvharn_-d1d•VM1 21 Q. Do you recall what documents you 22 received prior to the nleeting ? 23 A. To the best of my recollection, I ~x~s.~..ar :-:Jfe EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 Page 43 - Page 4
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1 3 4 37 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. the governmental agency. I'm not sure that it is'an impropriety if they do not. Q. I think we had finished discussing, I bel.ie.ve, your.November 1.994 discussion with George Hewes. Did you meet with Mr. Hewes after that telephone conversation? A. yes, we did. I met with him. And in fact, we had a full-day meeting. Q. And do you recall when that was? A. I don't recall the date. But it was in late November of '94. Q• Do you recall what issues you discussed with Mr. Hewes during that full-day meeting? A. We reviewed -- once again, he gave me background information about the litigation -- about the history of the tobacco industries litigation and regulatory controls. And asked, as I recall, from my knowledge or information about experts who had special knowledge about legal ethics. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO Ln ~ ~ m ~ ~ w ~ ~
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-~. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 36 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. Q. Sure. Do you believe that as a general rule counsel for an opposing party should not contact the employees of an opposing party without contacting the lawyers of that opposing party? A. Well, The Code of Professional Responsibility, I believe it's Section 4.2, prohibits that, unless authorized by law. And there is substantial case law to the effect that where a private party is in litigation with a government that the Ln m private party has lawful authorization to ~ ~ contact employees of the government -- in W ~ w this case, the state government -- to discuss matters relating to the litigation. Q. Would it make any difference to your opinion regarding the propriety of that contact if the lawyers for the private party do not inform the employers of th_e State that they are, in fact, lawyers for opposing party? A. I think as a matter of courtesy, EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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39 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 It was raised for the first time in a telephon.e. call .from:._ Mr,. Hewes in January of '96. A. Q. And who drafted the affidavit? I did. Did you draft it on your own? A. If you mean did I personally draft, research, and type, the answer to all of that is yes. Q. Did Mr. Hewes review the affidavit and make changes? Q'. . He did. Did he make changes? I don't recall if he there were several drafts. And each draft was subject to review and suggestions, yes. Q. And besides Mr. Hewes, did anyone else review your affidavit? Ln A. Yes. That person was Barbara ON McDowell in the Jones, Day Washington. office in 22 1( Q. Do you know who Ms. McDowell was m ~ ~ w ~ m EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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40 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 A. I donst recall. Q. Did Ms. McDowell make any recommendations of changes in your affidavit? A. As I recall, she reviewed it and made some suggestions, some of which I agreed with and incorporated. Some of which I did not. Q. Besides Mr. Hewes and Ms. McDowell, did anyone else review your affidavit? A. Not to my knowledge. Q. And when did you complete this affidavit? A. My recollection is it was in late February of 1996. Q. And did you forward the completed affidavit to Mr. Hewes? A. I believe I sent the affidavit to -- I think I sent it to Joe Colingo in Pascagoula with a copy to Hewes and to McDowell. 22 II Q. And who does Mr. Colingo EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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43 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 state employees, had you ever done any research or writing•into that issue before? A. I had done some research in connection.with my.evidence course. I had not done any writing. Q. Had your ever provided expert opinion on that issue in any other litigation? A. I had not. Q. Since you've completed the affidavit in late February 1996, have you had any further discussions with either Mr. Hewes, Mr. Colingo, or Ms. McDowell regarding your affidavit? A. I have had a brief telephone discussion with Mr. Hewes, which did not relate to the substance of the affidavit. Q. The look on your face requires me to ask. What was the substance?- A. Well, it was about my bill that I had submitted. 2 2 11 Q. Okay. I' 1l bi t'e . What was yo_ur EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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45 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 11 Q. And when you were talking to 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 Mr. Ferris on the phone, what issues did you discuss? A.. Only the matter of accepting their request that we did not get into such matters. Q. Did you talk about what your hourly charge would be? A. Not on that -- not in that conversation. Q. Did you discuss how much time might be involved in preparing for your testimony? I don't think we did that time, other than in a very general sense. Q. Did Mr. Ferris discuss with you the possibility of visiting the offices of Shook,' Hardy & Bacon? A. No. Q. Did Mr. Ferris disclose_to you that you would working with the law firm Shook,'Hardy & Bacon? 22 11 A. Not in that conversation, EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO 0 m of
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 42 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. And specifically, in addition to obtaining information, also secure their services and in some instances, as expert witnesses. Q'. Upon review of that memorandum, did you make any changes in your affidavit? I-don't think so. I think that what I did, if I recall at this point, is that first of all, I spent some time in the library. I spent some time on Westlaw. I did review the brief or memorandum that was provided to me. And utilizing all resources, I then drafted the affidavit. And I can't tell you now what came from which source. Q Did you assist in the drafting of the memorandum? A. I did not. Q. Do you know who drafted that I memorandum? I do not. Prior to your research on the law EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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4 7 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 MR. NEWBOLD: Parham, I think you misspoke. A. I'm sorry. It was not Randles. It was Bob McDermott. I'm sorry. Q. (By Ms. Nial) Bob McDermott. And Mr. McDermott is with Jones, Day; is that correct? That's my understanding. Q. And where did that meeting take place? A. That took place here in Birmingham. Q. And how long did that meeting last? That was essentially an all-day meeting. It started around 9:00, and I think they left around 3:30. Q. I believe we found it. We'll make this Exhibit 2 to this deposition. (Plaintiff's Exhibit No. 2 was Ln marked for identification. A ~ copy is attached.) m ~ 10. Q. And Mr. Williams, I wonder if you ~ 22 11 recognize Exhibit 2. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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41 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. t 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 He was associated with him. I do not..know.which client specifically. Q. Did you read -- first of all, do you know if there was a brief or memorandum that was going to go along with your affidavit? A. Yes, there was. Well, I take that back. I know that there was a brief of the law which had been prepared. Whether it accompanied my affidavit, I do not know. Q. Do you recall whether or not you reviewed that brief? A. I reviewed a memorandum which was provided to me by Mr. Hewes, as I recall. Q. What were the issues discussed in that memorandum? A. Well, basically, the one that I have told you about -- whether or not representatives of lawyers or lawyers of a f Ln ~ m m ~ ~ w ~ Co private party may contact employees of state government to discuss with them issues relating to litigation between the private EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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48 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 A. And you recall receiving I do. Q. And to the best of your it? recollection, were these the issues listed on page 2 of Exhibit 2-- were they the issues that were discussed at the meeting on January 31st? A. Yes. Gt • Do you recall any other issues that were covered at that meeting? A. It was a lengthy meeting. And the conversation dealt with those issues, principally. I think that was about -- it may have been some more background, historical information. I don't recall at this point. Q. Prior to the January 31st meeting in Birmingham, did you receive any documents? _ . A I did. Q. Do you recall what documents 22 11 received prior to the meeting? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO you
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation 1 did not, at that time, prepare an affidavit 2 or render any other servtce. 3 QNow when Mr. Hewes contacted you, 4 did he contact you in reference to the Mike 5 Moore case or -- 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. Did Mr. Hewes also discuss with you 8 the possibility of testifying in' the Butler 9 case? 10 A. No. 11 Q. Has Mr. Ferris discussed with you 1 2 the possibility of testifying in'the Butler 13 case? 14 A. No. 1 s Q. When Mr. Hewes contacted you in 16 1994, did he tell you why he thought you 17 would be a good witness or good expert 1 s witness in the tobacco litigattOn? - - - - •19 A. He told me that he thought that I 2o had the respect of the bar and the 21 judiciary. And that I had the knowledge 22 necessary to be helpful on issues relating 23 to lawyer tnvolvement. And for that reason, CondenseIt! T''` Deposition of: Parham H. Williams, Jr Page 31 1 he felt like I would be a suitable witness. 2 Q. Did you know Mr. Hewes before he 3 contacted you? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. How did you A.I1CnCW Mr. Hewes when we were law 7 students together and have know him ever 8 since. 9 Q. Didn't teach Mr. Hewes? 10 A. No. 11 Q. Did I hear you cort+ectly that ~ou 12 did not do an affidavit at that'time. 13 A. That is correct. Page 32 14 Q. Have you since done any affidavits t s in tobacco litigation? 16 a I have. 17 Q. You have. And for what case? 1 a A. Same case. Mississippi Attorney 19 General's case. 20 Q. I haven't seen such an affidavit. 21 So I wonder -- are you~ sure that it was an 22 affidavit that you drafted? 23 A. I am. Page 33 1 MS. NiAL: I Wonder if We t have 2 a copy of that affidavit, Mr. New ld. I 3 did not see it in the box. It was not 4 produced. And I have only seen the 26 (b) 5 statement. Take that request under 6 advisement, if you like. 7 MR NEWBOLD: i shall. 9 you dratteathaitaffida~t7ou tell me whcn 10 A. Yes. It was done in January and t t February of 1996. 12 Q. Were you told the purpose of the 13 affldavit? 14 A. The subject matter of it rtlated to 1 s the propriety of defense lawyer contacts 16 WitFi state aoveRlrnent emDlovCCs. io "~ a`u~onud with state employees suc~i ns 21 director of the medicaid divtsion, 22 professors at the school of law, other state 23 employees, with the exception of the I Attorney General and his immediate staff. Q. And ou drafted that affidavit in 3 support of the defense -- the tobacco 4 industry's belief that they had the right to 5 contact state employees? 6 A. That is correct. 7 Q. And the Attorney General's position 8 was that no such right existed; is that 9 correct? 10 A. That's my understandin 11 Q. And was the Attorney C',eneral's 12 argument that those persons were, in fact, 13 part of his client and their -- 14 A. That is my understanding. 1 s QDo you know whether or not that 16 affidavit was actually filed with the court? 17 a I do not. t8 QAs a general rule -- not discussing 19 the facts for which you drafted your 20 affidavit, as a general rule, do you believe 21 that counsel for a defendant should not 22 contact employees of a opposing party 23 without the presence of their lawyer? 1 MR. NEWBOLD: I'm going to object to 2 this question. I understand the Mississippi 3 rules as it pertains to the 4 CrossCxanlination of an expert witness is to s be fairly wide o and indeed wide open if 6 it's relevant and~can lead to discoverable 7 evidence. 8 But this really seems to be far 9 afield of why Dean Williams has been to designated as an expert witness in this 1 t case. And I object. 12 Ms. NIAL: Are you directing the 13 witness not to answer? 14 MR. NEWBOLD: No. I'm not t s directing -- I don't think I have the right 16 to direct him not to answer under the case 17 management. I represent it doesn't go to t s privtlege or propnetary information or 19 trade secrets. Hut it does strike me as 2o being rather proactive, and I o~b~'ect. 21 Q. (By Ms. Nial) I wonder if you could 22 answer the question? 23 A. Would you repeat the question? P agc 3 Page 3 Page 3 1 Q. Sure. Do you believe that as a 2 general rule counsel for an oppostng party 3 should not contact the employoes of an out contacting the ~ S la ~~ of that o s o pp 6 W ll% The Code of Professional u, N 7 btlity, I believe it's Section 4.2, m a pro 'bits that unless authorized by law ~ , . 9 And there is substaatial case law ~ to to the effect that where a private party is 1 t in litigation with a government that 12 private party has lawful authorization to 13 contact employees of the government -- in 14 this case, the state goverriment -- to is discuss matters nelating to the litigation. 16 Q. Woqld it malce any differenoe to 20' d thiat tb?~e,y' aro, in fact, lawyers for opposing 2 p~I think as a matter of courtesy, 23 they should inform the principal lawyer for EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 Page 31 - Page 3
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Mississippi Tobacco Liti ation 1 Q..If a lawyer simply attends a 2 nmec.ng -- is there for no other purpose 3 than to attend it -- would the minutes of 4 that moeting be automatically covered by an s attorney/client privilege? 6 A. I think the lawyer would have to 7 be -- excuse me. 8 MR. NEWBOLD: I was thinking about 9 that question. Go ahead. 10 A.I think the lawyer would have to be 1 t present in the role of counsel giving advice 12 to the body.~ 13 Q. (By Ms. Nial) If he just sat 14 there -- 1 s A. As an observer? 16 Q.As an observer. 17 Mlt. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of ts the question. This colloquy going back and 19 forth, I object to it. Let's bave a 20 complete question, please. 21 A. Wouid you ask it again, because I 22 got a little off track? 23 Q. No problem. If the lawyer is at I the meeting simply to be an observer, would 2 the minutes of the meeting be privileged? 3 A. If the lawyer's present for some 4 legal consultation purpose -- to review, to s comment upon, or to otherwise provide advice 6 to the business of the meeting -- whatever 7 it might be -- the board -- then clearly I 8 think he is involved as legal counsel and a 9 pnvilege would attach. 10 Now, you are assuming or t 1 to assume that this lawyer is rttained by 12 the organization whose meetin~ is underway? 13 Q. He's either nrtained or he s simply 14 invited as aguest. Would it make a 5 s difference if he was retained by the 16 organization as to whether or not the 17 mmutes would just, as a general rule, be 18 given to privilege? 19 A. If he s a retained attorney 2o representing the group and is present, I 21 think a very strongargument could be made 22 that the privilege would protect the 23 minutes. If he is in the status of nothing 1 more than aguest,, I think you would have 2 more difficulty waking an t. 3 beslQde tWhat he s:o-~called ~aed attorney of 5 the group, persoas wbo were not members of 6 the group but rather invited gutsts? 7 MR. NtiwBO1.D: Object to khe form of a the question. It's not a complete 9 question. 10 A. I'm not utte sure I undetstand 1 t what you're 12 Q. ~By Ms. Ni Would that make a 13 dtfference to your opinion ascq whether or 14 not the minutes would be privileged if the 1 s lawyer, retained by the organization was at I6 a meetusg at which nonmembers had been 17; irlYited aS gueStB? , - - ~ 0 CondenacIt! Deposition of: Parham H. Williams, Jh Page 1691 Page 17 Page 170 Page 171 ~ ~ i aad clieiiE oi rept~seiilatives `_ ~~ :~ 21 of each. - 22 And that, of course, it would be 23 sought in the guise or nature of legal 20 21 22 23 t 2 3 4 s 6 7 s 9 to 11 12 13 14 !s 16 17 1s 19 advice. If there are other persons present who are representatives or one of the other, then the privilege would still be in effect. Q. But if they were not representatives of one or the other, as you describe it, would the privilege still attach? A. Are you asking me to assume that the other persons present have no relationslup to the entity whose board is meeti~n ? Q. That's correct. A.'Ihey have no relationship? No relationship to the lawyer ar eith aThey are purely third party guests who are present? Q. Invited guests. And my question to you is based on those facts that we've just gone throttgh, would the minutes be privil 7eged a Well, it would Boyle down there to a question of confidentlality. Is it the 1 intent of the discussions in that meeting to 2 include these persons within the 3 confidential shield and involve them in some 4 way in the conversations and decisions? s If so, an argument could be made 6 that the privilege attains. If not, then 7 arg b~ly, y~ocan have a difficult time 9 Q. Hsehlpi me out here. If you have an lo invited thud-p guest at a meeting -- 1 t not there to hel lawyer~d p t~aymember 12 of the board -- an invited 13guest. And you want him to be a part of 14 t~t'ls privile$ed group, do you have to tell t s him that he s part of the privileged group 16 in order for the privilege to attach? 1 7 A. I think there has to be some ls relationship establisbed either as an 19 advisor or consultant or whatever it might 20 be, which would bring that under the 21 language re,presentative of t~pa~rty or 22 representatlve of the lawyer, which the rule 23 *uires. 1 Q. So if I'm undetatattding you 2 correctly, that person wouldnave to know 3 that he was being brought into thisgroup. 4 He couldn't just find out later that he was L s broti~ht into thatgroup and thett the ~ 6 privtlege attach. Do you get my meaning? m 7 A. I understand what you'ne asking, m ~ 8 ves. Well. I think.in order for a 9 ielationship to be established which would - to make that person a repr ~tai ve or one of 1 t the groups pr~esent, either lawyer or the L 12 entity, clearly there would have to be some 13 understanding. It would have to be of a 14 knowing presence there in the room. t s Q. If a client gives a law~r a pieoe 16 of infotmation whlch the client and the , ; , .. . --.-...-,..,. a io - k It 'nsay be. 21 Q If a lawyer putstogether materials 22 to resoond to a leaitimafe discoverv reouest 23 and sllows thetn to his elient, is thit - EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 Page 169 - Page 17, Page 17 Page 17, n J w m n
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16 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 education and continue a service function with the people who.are in practice in the state. And that includes not only practitioners, but also the judiciary. felt very strongly that the Law School So I focus continuing legal education -- other kinds of service to the bar. And there was a difference of opinion on the faculty about that. should enhance those relationships and more closely on teaching the law of Mississippi and in providing service - 4. Did you say they were reviews or - A. Yes. As I recall the University of Mississippi policy, it provided for a review once every four years by the person who was chair of a department or dean of a school. And this was a review which took, Ln m really, the nature of interviews by the '~ a w University Vice Chancellor for Academic ~ w Affairs -- in some universities he called EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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51 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 A. Yes. Q. Does that look familiar to you? A. That's correct, yes. Q. Looks like there are -- A. There are several other items which I did not recall in response to the earlier question. But those were included, and it's dated January 3. I must have received it either the next day or the subsequent day. Q.' So besides the case law prepared in Butler by the defendants and the transcript of the Florida Crime Fraud hearing -- in fact, that's not listed on this list, is We have the Defendant's Joint Submission addressing CTR and CTR Special Projects. Plaintiff's Response to Defendant's Joint CTR-CTR Special Projects• filing.' Defendants' reply to plaintiff's response. Plaintiff's supplemental response. And then the deposition of Cham Trotter. you received the transcript of the Florida case hearing some other time? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO So
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation t A. It was. 2 Q. Did Mr. Ferris tell you why he 3 thought you would be a good choice as an 4 expert in this litigation? S A I don't recall specifically the 6 conversation. But it was to the effect that 7 ho'felt like that I would have the expertise 8 and knowlodge that could be helpful to them. 9 Q. y ~that p~~? Ferris before he 10 gave You tt A. es. 12 Q. In what capacity did you know him? 13 A. I once had the privilege of 14 teachi~ag Mr. Fen-is in law school. 1 s Q. Was he a good student? 16 A. Oh, he was the best. 17 Q. Any other relationship with ta Mr. Ferns? 19 A. I've known him over time since he 20 graduated from law school and I've worked 21 with him in various law scbool alumni 22 functions and things of that sort. 23 Q. Had you been an expert for Page 25 Page 2t I a'Ihe first meeting with ccunsel took I A. I do not at this point. 2 place on January the 8th of this year. And 2 q. Before your meeting with Brooke 3 persons resent included Brooke Ferris, Bill ~ 3 Fems, Mr. Newbold, and Mr. McDermott had 4 Newbol~ and Bob McDermott. , 4 you r d t h eAMA articles? 5 Q. An at that meeting, what issues l ~ l~ h 6 were discussed? 6 Q. At ne t~ of your meeting in 7 A. Principally, Mr. McDermott gave a J J 7 uary uary 8th did you request any s background of tobacco company litigation ~ 8 documents at the end o your meeting? 9 over time. 9 A. I did not request any documents 10 Q. Did he talk to you about the to that I recall. I was -- no. I did not t t substance of your testimony here today? 1 t request any. 12 A. Not except that he said that they 12 Q. At the end of your January 8th 13 were -- they were looking for expert 13 meettngg did you agree to testify? 1 4 testimony concerning the ethical 14 A. I aid not. t s considerations relating to lawyer ts Q. When did you decide that you would 16 representation of the tobacco companies. 16 testify? 17 But at that point, I had not told 17 A. Probably four or five days later 1 s them that I would be a witness. So. it.was t s after thinking about it. 19 pretty general. 19 Q.And how did you communicate our Q. Was this just a meet-and-greet type 20 y 20 decision to testify? 21 meeting? 21 A. Mr. Ferris called me by telephone. 22 A.I,aply so; But also informational. 22 Q. Was it Mr. Ferris who initially 23 Q. At that point, you had not been 7 23 contacted you to set up the meeting. 1 retained? 2 A. That's correct. 3 Q. Did you receive any documents at s yo A. I did ot8th meeting? 6 Q. When Mr. McDermott gave you a 7 background or a sununary of the tobacco 8 litigation, whatcypes of issues did he 9 discuss with you~ 10 A.To the best of my recollection, he 11 talked about the role of lawyers in 12 representing an industry which is confronted 13 with a source of continuing litigation and s~atory control as a tobacco industry. 1 Q. Did he ask you at that point in 16 tune what your views were ot1, representation? 17 A. I don t nxall a specific -- my 18 views on what? 19 Q.On the rcpresentation of the 20 tobacco industry by lawyers? 21 A. I don't ne6all a specific question 22 to that effect. 23 Q. Before you attended the 1/8 meeting 1 with Brooke Ferris and Billy Randles and Bob 2 McDermott, had you -- 3 A. Bill Randles was not there. Q.Oh,~illy Randles was not thcsz. s Oh Bill Newbold. Sotry. With Mr. Newbold, 6 had you read any of the public press 7 articles regard~, for example, the Brown 8 and Williams.n documents? 9 A. I th1n1C OVer timC, yes, I have nad to a number of articles that appemed in 11 newspapers. 12 Q.Dtd any of those articles cause you t 3 any concern regardtng the rcpresentatton 14 that had been provided to the tlobacco ls industry by tobacco industry lawyers? 16 MR. NEWBOLD: I object to the form Page 26 1 Mr. Fetris in other litigation? 2 A. Not for Mister -- no. 3 Q. Had you been an expert for any of 4 the lawyers that you met wtth on January 8th s in other litigation? 6 A. No. 7 Q. Have you been an expert in other a litigation? 9 A. I have. Depo 1o Q. Could you tell me in each t t individual case, fust, the name of the 12 case, if you would, and the issues on which 13 you were an expert? 14 A. Ali ngh_t. The case is this 1 s case -- the Mississippi case against the 16 tobacco compaates. And I was contacted _:;'.. _417..- mof the question. . • . 21 8rticles. 22 Q. Do you recall which articles you 23 may have noad? CondenseItl , Page 27 EDMONDSON REPORTTNG & VIDEO, 324-2333 17, pmbablyin,,November of 1994 by George Page 2! Page 31 -=r-.Ana'tte ass;ed To tt'feet vi+itHi me:=1Ne"~' 21 did meet, and there was somo conversation 22 about my being an expert witness. At that 23 time, they were thinlang of an affidavit. I Page 25 - Page 3- sition of: Parham H. Williams, Jr
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34 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Attorney General and his immediate staff. Q. And you drafted that affidavit in support of the defense -- the tobacco industry's belief that they had the right to contact state employees? A. That is correct. Q. And the Attorney General's position was that no such right existed; is that correct? A. That's my understanding. Q. And was the Attorney General's argument that those persons were, in fact, part of his client and their -- A. That is my understanding. Q. Do you know whether or not that affidavit was actually filed with the court? I do not. Q. As a general rule -- not discussing the facts for which you drafted your affidavit, as a general rule, do you believe that counsel for a defendant should not contact employees of a opposing party EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation I A. Yes. 2 ~. What kinds of questions did you 3 ask. 4 A. Well, I was curious. I wanted to s know more about their source -- where they 6 came from -- how they got published in that 7 book. 8 Q. Did the conduct discussed in any of 9 those documents disturb you? 10 MR. NEWBOLD: I object to the form t t of the question unless you specify which t z documents you're talking about. t 3 Q; ~By Ms. Nial) Could you be more t4 it_ic about the documents you reviewed in t s hapters 7 and 8 of "The Cigarette Papers"? 16 A.I'd have to see the copy ~of Chapter 17 7. I just don't recall now which ones were is in there. t9 Q.Since we didn't know you reviewed 20 it, we dida't bring it with us. So it would 21 be difficult for us to know exactly which 22 documents you looked at. Do you remember 23 whether or not they were documents that are 1 a part of the so-called Brown and Williamson 2 collection? 3 A.'I'hat's my understanding. 4 Q. Did those documents discuss lawyer 5 involvement in scientific research? 6 A. Once ain, I would want to see the 7 document before I comment specifically about s that. 9 Q. After you were directed to certain lo documents discussed in "The Cigarette t t Papers," did you ask tobacco defense counsel tZ to provide you with copies of the documents 13 discussed? 14 A. No. Because it was my t s understanding that a privilege was being 16 asserted as to those documents. 17 Q. Did tobacco defense counsel, at t s that meeting, ask you to opine' as to the t9 appropriateness of tobacco counsel as -- zo appropriateness of the conduct of tobacco 21 counsel as discussed in those documents? 22 A. Well, onceagain , I would want to 23 see the document before answering t specifically . But there was an interchange 2 in which I reacted to these brief excerpts 3 that were included in the chapter. 4 Q. Do you recall what your reaction s was to those brief excerpts? 6 A. I think my reaction was t;hat in the 7 context of the total document, these lawyers 8 were doing what lawyers are supposed to do. 9 Q,Did the tobacco defense lawyers lo provide you with the context of the t 1 documents? 12 A. No. When you say the "context," do 13 you mean the total document? 14 Q. Yes. 15 A.No. 16 Q. You said that within the context of 17 the document, they were acting is'approo-tUtely And_Lwas.wonderinawhat.the~ d f f 21 ocument o any o these. 22 Q. Besides the full document, which 23 you say you have not seen, what would be the CondcnseIt! t" Page 55] Page 56 Page 57 Dcpo sition of: Parham H. Williams, Jr I context of the document that would lead you 2 to believe that the conduct discussed in 3 those documents was appropriate? 4 A. Well, I gain the context from s reading the excerpts and the materials in 6 the chapter of that book -- Chapters -- if I 7 recall convctly - 7 and 8. • 8 Q. Besides bein directed to.Chapters 9 7 and 8 of "'Ihe Cgigarette Papers" at this to meeting, were there any other particular t t documents to which you were directed? 12 A. I don't recall any specifically at 13 this point, no. 14 Q. Were you asked at that meeting is whether or not the attorney/client pnvilege 16 should, in fact, apply to protect the 17 documents discussed in Chapters 7 and 8 of 1 s"'Ihe Ci an:tte Papers"? 19 A. I don't ttcall that specific 20 question being asked. Q. Did you form an opinion at that 22 time as to whether or not the 23 attorney/client privilege should apply to Page 5, t those documents? 2 A. Well, without having seen the 3 entire text of the document, it would be 4 difficult to say. But I think based on the s exoerpts that I saw, I felt confident that 6 the attornoy/client privilege would cover 7 those actions. s Q. Would it be possible for another 9 person or lawyer to differ as to the -- to differ from your opinion as to the t t applicability off the attorney/client 12 pnvilege of those documents? 13 MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of 14 the question. t s A. Well, it does call for speculation; 16 but I suppose people have differing opinions 17 about matters. is Q. (By Ms. Nial) Now after your t9 January 31st meeting -- I'm sorry. After 20 your March 8th and 13th meeting, did you 21 meetaga~in with tobacco industry lawyers? 22 A All right. There were those two 23 meetings in early March. And then the next Page 5' Page 64 t moeti occurre~yesterday, March 31 st. ~ 2 Q.1 orgot to ask you. As to the 3 March 8th and 13th meetings, if those are 4 the cornxt dates, did newpeople show up s besides Bill Newbold Bob McDermott and , , 6 Brooke Ferris? ~ ~ 7 A. Mr. Ferris and Mr. McDermott were rn s not at those meetings, as I recall; but G 9 Mr. Randles was.. ~ 10 N ~ ~l i n. a Of c, our se Mi Newbold. ~ N 12 Q. Has Mr. Newbold been your primary co 13 contact with Lorillard? m 14 A. Yes. t s Q. Now at yesterday's meeting, who was 16 in attendan ?ce 17 A.Mr. Newbold and Mr. Randles. - i&LQLHw-lc~.~isl.yMadayrs. moeti 21 all-day ~'.' It staitcd a little'after 22 8:00 concl around 3:30. 23 Q. What was the substance of your EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 Page 55 - Pat;e 6
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation CondenseIt! I'' Dew sition of: Parham H. Williams, l I Q. Art you aware of any ethical rule 2 which would prohibit a lawyer from 3 participating zn the presentation of 4 deceptive testimony to a legislative body? 5 MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form 6 of the question -- the use of the word 7 "decep" 8 A. Well, the Rules of Professional 9 Conduct require the lawyer to make honest 1o presentations. That is, not tp knowingly 1 t present false evidence to a cpurt. A 1 2 legislative hearing is not the same sort of 13 body as a court. 14 But I would be of the opipion that ts if the lawyer -- and you're asking me to 16 assume that misinformation -- misleading 17 information is given to the legislative l s bod . That that is improper for the lawyer 19 to d0. 20 Q. Let's go back a little bit back in 21 time to your resume. I was struck by the 22 fact that you managed a complete law school 23 in less than a year after you graduated from Page 103] 1 study that you had to follow to get the 2 Stertu'~g Fellowship? 3 A. We11, I had to have a law degree, 4 first of all. Then I had to indicate an 5 inttrest in going into law teaching. And I 6 might point out that the Sterling 7 Fellowships are given in other fields at 9 s Yale, not Iust the Law School. were praQctia for~a short yperuiod of ~ vate 10 11 A. Yes. 12 MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of 13 the question -- short. Nothing's short in 14 practicmg law. Is MS. NIAL: It looked short to me. 16 '56 to '57. 17 Q. (By Ms. Nial) How long were you in is private practice? 19 A.I began in the fall of 1956 and 20 actually continued until 1963. At that 21 time, Mississippi's statutory scheme 22 permitted a lawyer to be elected District 23 Attorney and serve in that capacity on a Page ll Page 104 Page I t i undergrad. How did you do that? I part-time basis and continue private 1aw 2 A. Well, it wasn't by virtue of super 2 practlce. And that was the course I 3 intelligence, I assure you of that. But at 3 followed. 4 that time, the University of Mississippi Law 4 Q. And what kind of practice did you s School and the University itself had a s have? 6 policy which permitted a student to complete 6 A. General small town practice -- 7 three years of undergraduate work and then 7 rights wills, decds, things of that sort. 8 to enter law school. s Q. bid you do criminal defense work 9 And in two years plus two summers 9 prior to you becoming District Attorney? loacq uire the necessary number of hours. And 1o A.No, I did not. i t as I recall at that tune, 82 crCdit hours ! 1 Q. You were District Attorney for -- 12 were required in law school. ' So that's the 12 let me see. 13 explanation of how that happened. 13 A. About seven years, as I recall -- 14 Q. Excellent explanation. You got an t4 s1X years. 15 LL.M. from Yale. 15 Q. Did you have a good win/loss 16 A. YCs. 16 record? 17 Q. What is the spccialty~ 17 A. Well, it was good enough to get 1 s A. Yale, at that tlme, oI'fentd a i s reelected. 19 general Master of Laws degree for persons 19 Q. Any capital cases? 2o who wished to go into law teaching. And 20 A. Yes. But there was never a capital 21 that was the degrx program I followed. 21 verdict during that time. 22 Q. And you did your LLM., if you 22 Q. What mado you leave, quotes, 23 will, at the same time you were teachtng at 23 private practice to go into teaching? i the University of the Mississippi; is that 2 correct? 3 A. No. I was on leave for the 4 academic Year 1964-65. 5 Q. That s when you had the Sterling 6 Fellowshi~? 7 A.'That s correct. s Q. And what is the Sterling 9 Fellowship ? 10 A. SterI"ing was a rominel~t New York t t lawyer. In fact, the Paw fum of Shearmaat & t 2 Sterling bears his name. He was a Yale 13 graduate and a very generous'philanthropist 14 to Yale and established this endowed ls scholarship back probably at'the beginning 16 of this cxntury. 17. Q. And how did you manage to get the .- ana'unaerstana, o 21 review and selection. And b4sed on that, I 22 was awarded the scholarship.' 23 Q. Was there any particular field of EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 Page 105 Page lt 1 A. I had always wanted to do that. 2 And an opportunity developed at the 3 University of Mississippi Law School to 4 teach for a years A d th th t ti l i d Ln n a me, app y en ur ng 6 for the Sterling Fellowship. The N rn 7 understanding was if I succassfully m s com leted the Master of Laws degree, then I ~ 9 would have a position at the Law School. 10 Q. Would it be fair to say -- and J N I t please do correct me if I'm wrong -- that ~ pmary experience in private p ractice 12 your n ~ 13 would be in the criminal area? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q, What did you teach when you were a 16 visitusg professor at the University of 17.,Mississtppi School of Law in tbe fall Q 76- 21 tobacco littgation currently? 22 a No, I am not. 23 Q. Do you intend to? Page 103 - Page 1 c
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49 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 received two volumes of a deposition by Mr. W.,C. Trotter. And I received a compilation of cases which had been prepared in the Butler litigation. Q. Excuse me. That compilation of cases -- were those cases compiled by defendants,or cases compiled by plaintiffs? As I recall, they were cases compiled by the defense. Q Any other materials? I think there was a transcript of the Crime Fraud hearing in the Florida case. Q Anything else? If there was, I don't recall specifically at this point. Q. Before you received the two volumes of the'Cham Trotter deposition, were you familiar with Mr. Trotter? A. I've known Mr. Trotter, yes, for many years. Q Mr. . In what capacity have you known Trotter? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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57 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 specifically. But there was an interchange in which I reacted to these brief excerpts that were included in the chapter. Q. Do you recall what you.r reaction was to those brief excerpts? I think my reaction was that in the 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 context of the total document, these lawyers were doing what lawyers are supposed to do. Q. Did the tobacco defense lawyers provide you with the context of the documents? A., No. When you say the "context," do you mean the total document? Q. Yes. A. No. Q. You said that within the context of the document, they were acting appropriately. And I was wondering what the __ . . .. . : ....... _ ----- ._... -_.. .-_.. _ __.... _-- _ _ _ context of the document was. A.' No. I have not seen the full document of any of these. Q. Besides the full document, which Ln N m m ~ J ~ ~ you say you have not seen, what would be the EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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56 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 is 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 a part of the so-called Brown and-Williamson collection? A.. That's my understanding. Q.. Did those documents discuss lawyer involvement in scientific research? Once again, I would want to see the document before I comment specifically about that. Q After you were directed to certain documents discussed in "The Cigarette Papers," did you ask tobacco defense counsel to provide you with copies of the documents discussed? No. Because it was my understanding that a privilege was being asserted as to those documents. Q. Did tobacco defense counsel, at that meeting, ask you to opine as to the appropr,.i _at -- e---n-e. .-s..s_.._._o_ .f .- --._t._o.__b..a.cc_o. c-uno-s-e..l a.s appropriateness of the conduct of tobacco counsel' as discussed in those documents? A. Well, once again, I would want to see the document before answering EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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58 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 context of the document that would lead you to believe that the conduct discussed in those documents was appropriate? Well, I gain the context from reading the excerpts and the materials in the chapter of that book -- Chapters -- if I recall correctly -- 7 and 8. Q. Besides being directed to Chapters 7 and 8 of "The Cigarette Papers"~ at this meeting, were there any other particular documents to which you were directed? A. I don't recall any specifically at this point, no. Q. Were you asked at that meeting whether or not the attorney/client privilege should, in fact, apply to protect the documents discussed in Chapters 7 and 8 of "The Cigarette Papers"? p. ._ i._...._.._._.._._ _ _ re c a..l.l - _th.... . a .. ts _._e c ;~don'tfic question being asked. Q. Did you form an opinion at that time as to whether or not the 23 11 attorney/client privilege should apply to EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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50 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 privilege of teaching him. Q. Was he, like Mr. Ferris, a good student? A. Yes, he certainly was. Q. Do you believe that Mister -- strike that. In your opinion, is Mr. Trotter an expert in ethics? Yes. Q. Is this a transmittal letter regarding the documents that you received before the January 31st meeting? It's a letter produced to us as part of the materials relating to your deposition. When Mr. Newbold and Mr. Randles have an opportunity to review it, perhaps you could identify it for the record. MR. NEWBOLD: Are you going to mark this as an exhibit? u, F1 MS. NIAL: Yes. Exhibit_3. m . a (Plaintiff's $xhibit No. 3 was ~ ~ m marked for identification. A ~' copy is attached.) '.~ . '- ----.-~:-2A - EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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46 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Q. Since you spoke to Mr. Hewes in 1994 and• today:,. have.:you visited the Shook, Hardy'offices? A. I have not. Q• Besides Mr. Randles, do you know any other Shook, Hardy lawyers? I do not. Q. When was the discuss the substance today? 1997. next meeting to of your testimony here As I recall, it was on January 31, Q. In the materials that were provided to us relating to your testimony today, we got a letter and a list of issues. I wonder if you could tell me who attended that meeting on January 31st. meeting? MR. NEWBOLD: I'm sorry. Which ~ m m ~ . -~ ~ MS. NIAL: January 31st. m A,. January 31, 1997 meeting was attended by Bill Newbold and Billy Randles ~ r.a...ir,Y -.~.r.Y j EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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60 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 meeting'occurred yesterday, March''31st. Q.' I forgot to ask you. As to the March 8th and 13th meetings, if those are the correct dates, did new people show up besides'Bill Newbold, Bob McDermott, and Brooke Ferris? A. Mr.. Ferris and Mr. McDermott were not at those meetings, as I recall; but Mr. Randles was. Q. And Mr. Newbold? A. Yes. Of course Mr. Newbold. Q. Has Mr. Newbold been your primary contact with Lorillard? A. Yes. Q. Now at yesterday's meeting, who was in attendance? A. Mr. Newbold and Mr. Randles. Q- last? How long did yesterday's meeting A. Once again, it was essentially an all-day meeting. It started a little after 8:00 concluded around 3:30. Q. What was the substance of your EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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52 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 7 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 A. I did. Q. And before the January 31st meeting, do you recall whether or not you reviewed all the materials listed on Exhibit 3? A. I believe by the time of the January 31st meeting, I had reviewed all of that. When did you next meet with defense counsel in preparation for this deposition? A. My recollection is that we met in early March. And I think the date -- we met on a Friday and then again on the following Wednesday. And I think the dates may have been the 8th and the 13th. But I'd have to look at a calendar to be sure of that date. Q. were those both full-day meetings? Do you recall? . I believe so, yes. Q. Before you met with tobacco defense I counsel on the 8th and the 13th, assuming those are the correct dates, did you receive further documents? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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My answer would be this: 3 First of all, I need to know more of the 4 facts in order to intelligently answer the s question. 6 There could be other rea.sons why 7 the lawyer would wish to review or screen 8 documents in the hands of the client or in 9 the hands of other parties having a common t o interest in the litigation. t t So I would have to know the answer 12 to that fust before I could givcypu an 13 answer that would be aiea:ungful. 14 Q.If I gave you the answer that the 1 s only nea.son the lawyer has set up this t6 program for document handling is to be able t7 to make a claim of privilege so as to keep t s those relevant documents from an adversary 19 in liti~a.tion. 20 A. My answer -- 2 t MR. NEWBOLD: t object to the form 22 of the question, because ttxre's no 23 question. t Q. (By Ms. Nial) The question is 2 whether a lawyer has viol-ated any ethical 3 duty either to the court or to his adversary 4 if he develops a program of document s handling for the only purpose of being able 6 to claim a privilege so as to keep relevant 7 evidence from an opposingp~tyo s A. All right. A that'that is 9 the only purpose for han ' the documents 10 in the fas~tion you have descnbed, I believe t 1 that the -- first of al1, the effort to 12 create a privilege for doctuaents is -- for 13 that sole purpose -- is not a worthy purpose 14 for the la to engage in. t s Andould conclude that if that 16 is the only urpose for which the documents 17, are rective(~.then_that lawyers is not being.. 21 is made as a result of the program we have 22 just discussed in the previous question 23 survtve? CondenseIt! t"` Deposition of: Parham H. Willia.ms, Jr Page 91 I A.'Ihe claim of privilege would 2 certainly survive as to other documents as 3 to which it may legitimately be claimed. It 4 may -- it may prevail to protect documents s that are brought in. My opinion is that it 6 probably should not prevaii as to those 7 documents. 9 thrughh the documents that went o ~ to A. For the spi icf purpose of t t shielding them under the lawyer's control in 12 order to create a privilege. 13 Q. Is it appro riate for a lawyer 14 representing a client in litigation to take 1 s actions against a witness in order to stop 16 that witness from testify t'ng? 17 A. Well, I'd have to know more about 1 s the facts. What sorts of actions? 19 Q. Bring a collateral lawsuit against 20 the witness in order to stop the witness 21 from testifying against his client. 22 A. What is your question? 23 Q. Is a lawyer perntitted -- ethically Page 9. Page 92 Page 93 2 co~ila eral litigatno ludatE a witness through 3 MR. NEWBOLD: I object to the form 4 of the question -- use of the word s "intimidate." 6 A. Well, if there is a legitimate 7 cause of action, the lawyer's breaching no s ethical standard by filing the action. 9 Q. If it is an illegitimate cause of 10 action brought for only one reason; that is, t t to stop the witness from testifying against 12 his client, is that an appropriate ethtcal 13 activity for a lawyer? 14 A. Well, once again, it depends on 1 s more facts than you're giving me. For 16 example, if the action is to prevent a 17 person from utilizing stolen documents in t s testifying, there may be a legitimate cause 19 of action. 20 Q. If the testimony does not involve, 2 t qpotes, stolen documents, does that make a 22 difference to your opinion as to whether or 23 not action by an attorney to intimidate a t witness through a collateral lawsuit is 2 appropriate? 3 A. Once again, I need some more 4 information. Are you asking me to assume s that this is an action to stop a witness 6 from te' g about documents in his 8 ~Q.& wi-f tness testifying about 9 infont7ation rt~ ding the iawyer's client Io that would be aamagtng to the lawyer's t t clieat. And therefore, the lawyer has taken 12 the action --1odged the complatnt -- in 13 order to stop thal witness from testifying. u MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form is of thequestton. 16 A. Well, onceagatn, my answer would t77 have to_ be that if ther+c is a le¢itimate- u attcn tpe laww'sAustiti 21 action. 22 A. Well, would you give me an example? 23 I'm not sure I understand what you're asking Page 9 Page 9, EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 Page 91 - Page 9
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64 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 6 7 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 the list that's now marked as paft of Exhibit 4? A. I did. Q. And you sent it to Mr.• Newbold; is that That's correct. Or sent it to his paralegal,,Michael Riechers, I think his name is. Q. Michael -- Mr. Riechers.~ I also received a letter from Mr. Casetta of Thompson Coburn on March 24th enclosing a list of, quotes, Responsive Documents 1 through'3 saying that these are documents relating to Parham Williams' testimony that he believes we already have. nWen meaning me and Ness, Motley. I wonder if you've ever seen that letter. (Plaintiff'a Exhibit No. 5 was Q. marked for identification. A. copy ia attached.) So there's no misunderstanding as to what'you have reviewed in preparation for this deposition, I wonder if you could just correct? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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72 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Q. Do you recall what,the i'ssue was on which you were consulted? A. I do. Q. And what was that issue? A. Well, the issue was whether the trial judge, during th.e pendency of a motion' for new trial, improperly accepted an award from the Kentucky Trial Lawyers Association. Q. Was this issue raised in~an attempt to disqualify the trial judge? A. I believe it was, yes. Q. And were you on the side of the persons trying to disqualify the trial j ud9e? A. No. Q. Do you recall who, in fact, you were appearing as a -- or -- strike that. Who you were working for case? A Yes. as an expert in the Q. Who was that? A. Don Barrett. Q. Did you know Mr. Barrett before you EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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62 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Cigarette Papers." I think it was excerpts of documents in "The Cigarette Papers." MS. NIAL: I thought I said "or excerpts." But I will rephrase.. Q. (By Ms. Nial) Are there other excerpts of other documents that you have reviewed other than those in "The Cigarette Papers"? A. No. Only the material that's listed in that review list. Q. Did you request that.tobacco industry lawyers provide you with other documents? A. I did not. Q. Besides the documents listed on the list that was provided to us and "The Cigarette Papers," which Mr. Newbold has identified this morning, are there any other _.__ document.s.. -ta .h._... - ty. _...o_..----u--- -h- a....v..e_.. .. .r .e e v.i.ew- d e_ in preparation for your testimony today? A. No. Q. I wonder if I could show you a. list of materials reviewed, which was produced to Ln N m m ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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63 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 us and ask you if that's the list-of the documents you have reviewed. MR. NEWBOLD: I'm going to object I believe that there was another page. There was a covering page. MS. NIAL: Oh, yeah. There were cover pages,. MR. NEWBOLD: I think it's important if you're going to use the document the whole document. to use MS. NIAL: (Handing document) There you go. MR. NEWBOLD: Are you going to mark this. MS. NIAL: Yes. As Exhibit 4. (Plaintiff's Exhibit No. 4 was marked for identification. A copy ia attached.) Q. (By Ms. Nial) Are you familiar with those documents; first, the transmittal letter and then the list? A. Yes. Q. And Mr. Williams, did you prepare Ln ~ om m ~ J N m EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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54 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 to me -- "The Cigarette Papers.°' Q. And when you looked at the book, "The Cigarette Papers,° what kinds of discussions did you have about the book? A. My attention was directed to certain materials in the book. And I was asked for my reaction to those. Q. Do you recall which materials you were directed to? A. They were excerpts from documents. My recollection is they were contained in Chapters 7-- perhaps Chapter 8-- of that book. Q• Do you recall what the substance of those documents were? A. They were a variety of internal memos flowing from counsel for the tobacco' companies to other counsel to administrative offices of the clients corporation -- things of that sort. Q. When you reviewed those documents, did you ask any questions about the _ background or context of those documents? 1 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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68 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 keep notes on those meetings? A. I kept -- no, I didn't. I noted certain things such as dates and times. But I did not have specific notes about the substance of the conversations. Q. Did you ever.do memos to file to maintain your recollection of the issues that were discussed at those meetings? A. No. I don't think I did. In fact, I know I did not. Q. When you reviewed the documents that were provided to you by tobacco defense counsel, did you highlight those documents? A. I did not. With one exception. I think I highlighted -- maybe it was the deposition of Dr. Spears. But I'm not certain about that. It was one document that I did highlight. And then I thought, "I should.n't be marking up these documents didn't do it anymore. m And I Q. Why would you think you shouldn't mark up the documents? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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67 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Exhibit 4 and Exhibit 5. MS. NIAL: And Mr. Newbold, we've clarified the issue about the list, have we not. MR. NEWBOLD: Yes. Q. (By Ms. Nial) Having reviewed those' two documents and with the addition of "The Cigarette Papers" that Mr. Newbold made earlier, are there other documents that you have reviewed in preparation for your testimony here today? A .' No. Q. Do you intend to review any other documents in preparation for testimony that you may give at trial? . I may. But at this point, I don't know what they are. I can't identify Q Have tobacco defense them. counsel told . . _ _ _ _. . _ _. ._ _. . . _ ._. _ _ . . _. _ .. _ _. _ .__.. . . . you that they'd be asking you to review other documents? A. No, they have not. Q. When you attended the various meetings that we have discussed, did you EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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66 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 6 7 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Mississippi. And it was a very brief meeting. And as I recall, it was largely devoted to discussing a time for the meeting -- a date and time for the meeting in Birmingham, which eventually was held on January 31st. Then the second matter of clarification relates to the series of questions you asked me about providing expert witness services to various people. And you asked me about Brunini. And you asked me about these people. But you did not asked me if I had represented -- excuse me -- if I had provided services to anybody else. Q.' I was actually going to get to that. Ln Are you? Okay. Well, I'll just ,~ ~ wait for your question. -_, ~ N Q. But thank you for clarifying. I w appreciate that. Let's get back to the documents in front of you. I believe that's EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation 1 me here. 2 Q. A witness is a former employee of a 3 defendant. He has no confidcntiality 4 agreemeat. He has no rcason to be barred 5 from testifying. But the lawyer brin ~s a 6 collateral action against that witness for 7 the purpose of stopptng that witness from s testifying against lus client. 9' MR. NEWBOLD: I Want to object to lo the form. You koep saying "the lawyer I 1 brings an action." Do you mean the lawyer 12 brings an action on behalf of a client? Or 13 do you mean the lawyer is suing -- is filing 14 a first-party lawsuit? 1 s Q. Assuming that a lawyer can only 16 file a lawsuit for a client -- and let us 17 have that general assumption. So the lawyer ... . ls brings a lawsuit on behalf of his client. 19 The lawsuit is collateral. It has no basis. 20 There's no confidentiality 21 agreement. There is absolutely no basis to 22 bring this lawsuit. However, he, bring s the 23 lawsuit for the purpose of stopping the t witness from testifying. 2 A. I would ask one more bit of 3 information. How did the witness acquire 4 the information that he is going to use for s his testimony? defeQndaent a formcr employee of the 7 s A. And ma I assume that he acquired 9 it from the files of his former employer lo Q. Not from the files, but simply by 1 c being there. 12 A. Well, you've asked me to assume an 13 awful lot. And I would say the short answer 14 is if there is no legal basis for cause of t s action and the lawyer participates filing a 16 case on behalf of a client for the only, 17 purpose of intimidating a potential wttness ls against his client and there is no other 19 reason such as the acquisition of -- or the 20 improper acquisition of information from the 21 witneWs formcr employer. 22 If you ask me to assume that -- no 23 other reason. Then my answer would be that i the act to intimidate the witneSs probably 2 is improper. 3 Q.Is it appropriate for a lawyer in 4 order to stop a wttness from testifytng 5 against his client to engage investtgators 6 in order to put togetber a dossier on a 7 witness which the lawyer then proyides to s the press for the purposes ofs~oppu~g the 9 witttess from~against... Fus elient? 10 MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form t 1 of thequestion. 12 A. The question is: Is that ethical 13 or propcr? 14 Q. Uh-huh. 15 a'Ihe lawyer has an obligation to 16 adequately and effectively represent his 17 client. And in the course of that 21 knowl 22 An to seek to fill those gaps in 23 various ways by the use of investigators, 1& . tatton, tt mayr :an 1 '~ `for41IC la " then art gaps tn o Condi,enseItl T'`4 De sition of: Parham H. Willia.ms, h Page 97 Page 98 Page 99 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 other techniques, which will provide the needed information necessary to enable the lawyer to effectively, represent the client. Q. So it s your oplnlon, if I m correct -- and plcase correct me if I'm wrong. -- that a lawyer that engages an investtgator in order to pu~t a dossier together on a witness which he intends to publicize in order to stop the witness from testlfying against his client is acting appropriateIy?. A. In preparing to cross a witness, it should be a function of the lawyer to acquire as much information about the witness and the sub,'ect matter of his testimony as possible. And it may be necessary to compile what you call a dossier, or collection of information, about the witness. I see nothing wrong with that. That's part of a lawyer function. Q. And you see nothing wrong with the lawyer taking that information and Page 10, 1 publicizing it in order to stop that witness 2 from testifying? Publici w'ng it, not in the 3 coureroonz, you understand, but in the public 4 media. S MR. NEWBOLD: i object to the form 6 of the question. It calls for speculation 7 on the part of the witness. 8 MS. NIAL: The witness is an expert. MR. NEWBOLD: I Still object to form lo of the question. 11 MS. NIAL: And I'm asking him a 12 hypothetical. 13 A. You're asking me, then, to assume 14 that in addition to performing an 1s investigation, or having it performed, and 16 compi~lmg materials retating to that witness 17 and his ctcdibility. Because obviously 1 s that's going to be the thnut of the 19 lawyer s cross. 20 And further to assume that the 21 lawyer then authorizes the publication of 22 that -- you used the term "publicized." How 23 would that be publicized? Help me with 1 that. 2 Q.He walks into CBS and says "Here's 3 some bad stuff on this witness. Aow about 4 putting it on television?" That's how he s publict2:es it. 6 A I eee. Well, my view of that is 7 that the lawyer is performing thi nk ag ~1e~timate a lawyer functions. I would that the 9 publici~ng wouldbe unwise. I don't know 10 that it violates any ethical responsibility 1 t of the lawyer. 12 Q. So that is a legitimate legal 13 function in your opinion? 14 A. I think it's an unwise function. is But I am not -- I don't believe that it 16 violates any of the standards of i7~professional responsibility. 11 '._r [1''A:r. vnn rr nf Imv wt}.ioal rirl. irj ttte pn~entatioa ot=- ` ` 21 deoeptive inTormation to a 1egis lative body? 22 MR. NEWBOLD: Could I Ix.ar that 23 question again, please? Page 10 Page 10: ...~ ...~~~ Page 97 - Page 10
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1 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 27 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. with Brooke Ferris and Billy Randles and Bob McDermott, had you A. Billy Randles was not there. Q. Oh, Billy Randles was not there. Oh, Bill Newbold. Sorry. With Mr. Newbold, had you read any of the public press articles regarding, for example, the Brown and Williamson documents? A. I think over time, yes, I have read a number of articles that appeared in newspapers. Q. Did any of those articles cause you any concern regarding the representation that had been provided to the tobacco industry by tobacco industry lawyers? MR. NEWBOLD: I object to the form of the question. Q. (By Ms. Nial) You may answer. A. I don't recall having any particular concern raised by reading those articles. Q. Do you recall which articles you EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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71 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 A. Yes. Q. Could you tell me what those cases were, please? MR. NEWBOLD: You say °.appear." Do you mean appear as a witness? MS. NIAL: Either appear in deposition or appear in trial or both. A. No. Q. (By Ms. Nial) Are there cases in which you were consulted as an expert witness'? A. Yes. And what cases were those? A. The only other case is one that occurred back in October and November of 1996 -- this past fall. And that was a case that occurred in the state of Kentucky. • Q. What was the name of that case? Do you recall? I do not recall the style of it. Q. Was that a case that involved any tobacco company? A. No. Ln F1 m m ~ J N co EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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44 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 affidavit? A. I think-the charge was, at that time, $225 an hour. And if I recall correctly, I.think the total amounted to around'$5,000. Q. Did Mr. Hewes think your bill was too high?. A. No. He said he thought it was very much in order. Q. And was that the last discussion you had of that affidavit? . Yes. Q• During your conversation with Mr. Hewes regarding the bill for your affidavit, did you discuss any other possible work that you might do for him? . No, we did not. Q- Now, when last we left Mr. Ferris, you had just telephone called him--- or Ln ~ m • m called.him on the telephone --. to tell him '~ J ~ you would testify in the Moore case for m N Lorillard; is that correct? .. ~ EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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65 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 take a moment to review both of these lists so that,I can ask you questions. MR. NEWBOLD: May he also review the list that I sent to you of all the documents that he has reviewed? It's much longer than that. MS. NIAL: Those are the only two lists I have. If you have another list, please provide it. Because I have no other lists. MR. NEWBOLD: Well, you should have it. Can we go off the record? (Off the record.) A. This is Parham Williams, the witness, and I wanted to clarify an earlier answer. And I don't think you asked me this specifically when you were going through the sequence of meetings with counsel for the defendant_.- s. Ln . ,._, m And therefore I didn't respond ~ a specifically. But I think for your purposes N N you need to know that I did meet with Mr. Ferris on Tuesday, January 14 in Oxford, EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation DW sition of: Parham H. Williams, Jr Page 49 Page 5: i received two volumes of a deposition by t A. I did. 2 Mr. W.C. Trotter. And I received a 2 Q;And befone the Jan 31 st ared ilation of cases which had been re 3 m not you ~ s l~ y l p p p co 4 in the Butler litigation. a riew sted on e'd all the matern 'al s Q. Excuse me. That compilation of 5 Exhibit 3? 6 cases -- were those cases compiled by 6 A. I believe by the time of the 7 defendants or cases compiled by plaintiffs? 7 January 31st meeting, I had reviewed all of 8 A.As I recall, the were cases y s that. ense. 9 compiled by the def 9 Q. When did you next meet with defense 1 0 Q.Any other materials? 10 counsel in prep aration for this deposition? t t A. I think there was a transcrip t of 11 A. M roc~Aection is that we met in 12 the Crime Fraud hearing in thC Florida case. 12 early March. And I think the date -- we met 13 Q. Anything else? 13 on a Friday and then again on the following t4 A.If there was, I don't recall 14 Wednesday. And I think the dates may have t s specifically at this point. is been the 8th and the 13th. But I'd have to 16 Q. Before you received the two volumes 16 look at a calendar to be sure of that date. 17 of the ChamTrotter deposition, were you 17 Q. Were those both full-day meetings? t s familiar with Mr. Trotter? 1 a Do you recall? 19 A. I've known Mr. Trotter, yes, for 19 A.I believe so, yes. y 20 Q. Before you met with tobacco defense what capacity have you known 21 QyIn 21 counsel on the 8th and the 13th, assuming 22 Mr. Trotter? 22 those are the correct dates, did you receive 23 A. I first knew him when I had the 23 further documents? 1 privilege of teaching him. 2 ~Was he, like Mr. Ferris, a good 3 student? 4 A. Yes, he certainly was. 5 Q. Do you believe that Mister -- 6 strike that. In your opinion, is 7 Mr. Trotter an expert in ethics? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Is this a transmittal letter lo regarding the documents that you received 1 t before the January 31st meeting ? It's a 12 letter produced to us as part of the 13 materials relating to your deposi~tion. 14 When Mr. Newbold and Mr. Randles 15 have an opportunity to review it, perhaps 16 you could identify it for the record. 17 MR. NEWBOLD: Are you going to mark 1 s this as an exhibit? 19 MS. NIAL: Yes. Exhibit 3, 20 (Plaintiff's Exhibit No. 3 was 21 marked for identification. A 22 copy is attached.) 23 (DCponent reviews document.) 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. Does that look familiar to you? 3 A.-Il1at'S correct, yes. 4 Q. Looks like there are -- s A. There are several other items which 6 I did not recall in response to the earlier 7 question. But those were included, and it's 8 dated January 3. 1 must have received it 9 either the next day or the subsequent day. 10 Q. So besides the case law prepared in 11 Butler by the defendants and the tnarlscript 12 of the Florida Crime Fraud hearing -- in 13 fact, that's not listed on this lisc, is it? 1 4 We have the Defendant's Joint t s Submission addressin~ Cix and CTR Special t s Pro, ects. Plaintiff's Kesponse to 17 Defendant's_JoiAt-c'1it~'8 SDecial Proiects 1io _ "Plam~'iff s subnIemen~tal resvonso. 21 And then the deposftion of Chani Trotter. So 22 you received the transcript of the Florida 23 case hearing some other time? CondenseIt! ' Page 50 Page 51 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 I A. My recollection is yes. 2 q. Doy ou recall which documents you 3 recelved? 4 A. I received documents in several s packages. And I frankly don't recall which 6 came at which time. They are those that are 7 listed on that documents reviewed list. 8 Q. When you went to the meeting on the 9 8th, had you reviewed, basically, aA the 1 o documents? 11 A. I think I had reviewed most of them 12 at that point. I probably had not finished 13 reviewing some that had come in later -- 14 closer to that date of the meeting. ts Q.Did anyone bring you any documents 16 to that meetulg? 17 A. I don't t+CCall. 1 s Q. Did you, during that meeting, go 19 over any particular document that you 2o recall? 21 A. At the first meeti'ng, I think we 22 did go over -- I think wl"iat we did was to 23 take a look at a book, which was also sent 14 Q. Do you recall what the substance of 1 to tne -- "The Cigarette Papers." 2 Q. And when you looked at the book, 3"Tbe Cigarette Papers," what kinds of 4 discussions did you have about the book? s A. My attention was directed to 6 certain matecials in the book. And I was 7 asked for my reaction to those. 9~Q. ~o~u tt~ooc?all which materials you 10 A- They were excxrpts from documents. 11 My recollection is they were contained in 12 ~pters 7 -- perhaps Chapter 8 -- of that t s those documents were? 16 A. They were a variety of internal . Page 5: Page 5, !a-Lmz. uom counsel; tor tne tooacco 0 ot tilat sort. 21 Q. When you reviewed those documents, 22 did you ask any questions about the 23 background or context of those documents? Page 49 - Page 5,
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70 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 had a copy of "The Cigarette Papers." Besides Chapters 7 and 8, assuming those are the correct chapter numbers, have you read the entire book? A. I attempted to. And then I skimmed it. But I concentrated on Chapters 7 and 8. Q Have you read "Ashes To Ashes"? A. I have a copy, but I have not read it. Q Have you reviewed any joint prosecution or joint defense agreements between and among tobacco defendants in case? I have not. your Q. Have you asked to review any such agreements? A. I have not. Q We were going to discuss a little _, ..._.__..._....__. .. . bit more your other experiences as being an expert in litigation besides the Moore case about which we are talking today. Are there other cases in which you have appeared as an expert? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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69 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 A. Well, it's misleading when someone else reads it. Q. So I assume that you made no marginalia on any other documen•ts. A. No, I did not. Q. Have you prepared a written report on any of the documents that you have reviewed? I have not. Q. Have you made any charts or summaries of any of these documents? A. I have not. Q. The of you -- in the lists in documents on the lists in front reference to the documents on front of you, are there particular documents in those lists that you feel that you will be relying on in your testimony today? will rely on the total body of. Ln r m m ~ ~ ~ N a1 these documents. And it depends on what sorts of questions are asked as to whether I would rely on a specific document. Q. Now, Mr. Newbold told us that you EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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53 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 My recollection is yes.- Q. Do you recall which documents you received? A. I received documents i.n several packages. And I frankly don't recall which came at which time. They are those that are listed'on that documents reviewed list. Q- when you went to the meeting on the 8th, had you reviewed, basically,*all the documents? A.' I think I had reviewed most of them at that' point. I probably had not finished reviewing some that had come in later -- closer to that date of the meeting. Q Did anyone bring you any documents to that meeting? A. I don't recall. Q Did you, during that meeting, go -- over any_ p.a-r-ticular document that you recall? A. At the first meeting, I think we did go over -- I think what we did was 23 11 take a look at a book, which was also sent EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation Page 85 1 Q. Has Mr. Newbold discussed with you 2 any possibility, of testi in other 3 tobacco litigauon cascs. Page 8 I court is? 2 A. I'm not sure, no. 3 4. Do you understand that a lawyer who 4 A. Other cases? No. 4 participates in offering fraudulent 5 Q. Mr. Williams are you familiar with 6 the Mississippi Rules of Professional 7 Conduct? 5 testimony to a court may be guilty of fraud 6 upon the court? 7 A. I would accept that definition of 8 A. I am. 8 it, yes. 9 Q. I wonder have you reviewed recently 9 Q. Would a lawyer who participa tes in to the t 1 Pro 12 Ru preamble to that -- to the Rules of fessional Conduct -- the Mississippi les of Professional Conduct? ~ to fraud upon the court be violating lus 1 t ethical responsibilities to the legal 12 system? 13 A. When you say recently, yes, within 13 A. If he gives false testimony or aids 14 the 15 I h 16 past, I would say, two or three months, ave. Q. Would you agree that a lawyer has 14 a witness to give false testimony? t s Q. Correct. 16 A. Which is the question? 17 thr 1 s ee distinct responsibilities? a May I see the prcamble,'since we' ll 17 Q. Both. And you can separate them ts down if you'd like. 19 be talking about it? 19 A. We11, I would certainly say that a 20 Q. Sure. (Hands book.) In fact, it's 20 lawyer who gives false testimony would be 21 co 22 "A ntained in the first line of the preamble. lawyer is a representative of clients 21 committing a fraud upon the court. 22 And under the Code of Professional 23 an officer of the legal system, and a pu6lic 23 Responsibility, if he knowingly permits a Page 86 Page 8 i citizen having special responsibility for I witness togtve false testimony, then he -- 2 the quality of justice." 2 the lawyer has violated the respected Rule 3 A. Are you asking do I agrqe with 3 of Professional Conduct. 4 that? 4 Q. If a lawyer knowingly fails to turn 5 Q. Do you agree with that? 5 over relevant evidence to an opposing party, Ido. 6 A.Yes 6 is he violating any ethical rule. , 7 Q. Do youagroe that therc are certain 7 MR. NEWBOt.D: Object to the form of 8 limitations on the representation that a 8 the question. 9 lawyer may provide to a client? 9 Q. (By Ms. Nial) You may answer. 1 o A. I agree that there are certrain 10 A you asking me to assume that t t limitations yes. t 1 this >,s_ pursuant to a order of the court -- 12 Q. Could you describe for me what 12 Q. Yes. 13 limitations you believe there are on the 13 A° to disclose and ttlrn over? 14 representation that a lawyer can provide to 14 Well, I would think if the court order 15 a cl lent? t s specifically directs the lawyer to turn that 16 A. We1l, one that occurs is the 16 over, then the lawyer should obey the rule 17 limitation under Mississippi Rule of 17 and order of the court. t s Evidence 502 (d)(1), which is a Crime Fraud t s Q. If the lawyer participates in a 19 Exception attonney/client privil 19 schcme -- or plan, if you d like -- by which 20 Q. And how does that 501 (d) 1) Crime 20 he sets up a system to create a claim of 21 Fraud Exception -- 21 privilege with the goal of keeping 22 a 502. 22 information from an adversary in litigation, 23 Q.I'm sorry 502 (d)(1) Crime Fraud 23 is be breaching any ethical duty? t Exception provide limits on an attorney's 2 representation of a client? 3 A. Because it limits the effect of the 4 privilege by providiag that if the advice is s given to enable or aid somoone to commit or 6 plan to commit a crime or fraud and the 7 client reasonably should have known that, 8 then the privilege is dissipated. 9 Tbire are also provisions in the t o Rules of Professional Conduct that 11 specifically rohibit a lawyer from 12 providing in~on~ation enabl'utg or aiding a 13 client to commit a crime or fraud. t a Q. As an officer of the legal'system, t 5 does a 1awyer have anyspoctal 16 responsibility, for example, of candor to a 17: tribunal? e~; a~la~;ts ~ ts, itinction of legal ,p- ro essidb. 21 And I believe that the lawyer does have an 22 obligation of candor. 23 Q. Do you know what fraud upon the CondenseIt! ''*' Deposition of: Parham H. Williams, Ji Page 87 ls m ti#e hands of that lawyer's client; is 16 that correct? t Mtt. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form 2 of the question and the use of the word 3 "scherae." 4 Q. (By Ms. Nial) Or plan. However you s would lilce to interpret those words. 6 A. Well, let's make sure of what I am 7 being asked to assume. First of all, I'm a being asked to asspw that a lawyer is 9 representing a client -- t o Q. Correct. 1 t A.-- engaged in litigation. 12 Q. Correct. 13 A. And that there is a court order 14 directing the disclosute of certain material Page 9 i.7.--~_--. ~No.. Let's back ug for a second 22 Q. "He" being the lawyer. Sets up a 23 program of document handling in order to 21 ' n. "He" being the lawyer? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 ~_-~- - -- =_ Page 85 - Page 9
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75 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 the case was? As I recall, yes, I do. It was a suit against certain defendants for environmental pollution damages-. And I don't recall any of the details beyond that. Q. Besides your.work as an expert for- Mr. Barrett in the state of Kentucky, have you done any other work as an expert? A. You said "in the state of Kentucky"? Q. No. Besides the work that you did in the state of Kentucky, are there any other instances? Q No, I don't think so. And you've never been deposed before, have you? I have been. Q. Under what circumstances were you deposed? - A. When I was Dean of the Law School at the University of Mississippi, there was a suit filed against the University, the 23 II Board of Trustees, the Dean, and the EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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77 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 A, Joel Blass. Q. was his representation paid for by the University? A. My recollection is yes. Q What was the outcome of that litigation? A. There was a consent decree. Q What was the substance of the consent decree, if you recall? A. As I recall, the Law School, the University, and the Board agreed to provide a certain sum for scholarships for minority persons who wished to go to Law School. I do not believe over -- of course, I'm trying to remember 22 years ago. I don't think there was any lessening of retention or grading standards involved in the consent decree. But I think there was a commitment to provide scholarships. Q. Now you mentioned that was 20 something years ago. A. I think that was in 1973 or '74. 23 11 Q. So when you testified in this EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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78 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 particular case that we've just been discussing, you were testifying as a party defendant? But at some point, I submitted a simply gave a deposition. Q. Any other times in which you've been deposed? A. No. That's the only time I've been deposed. Q. I wonder if we could talk a little bit about your disclosure statement. MR. NEWBOLD: His 26 (b)? MS. NIAL: Yes. Q. (By Ms. Nial) And I believe that your disclosure statement, if I'm not correct, was accompanied by your curriculum vitae. Q. It says, "See attached curriculum know that. CV. vitae. 11 Yes. I did not testify, now. I I think that's correct. I don't That's what I'm basing it on. A. Okay. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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79 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. , 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 IS 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Q. I wonder if you could tell me, Mr. Williams, if that is a true and copy of your 26 (b) statement? A, Okay. correct MS. NIAL: (To the court reporter) And if we could identify that as an exhibit. (Plaintiff's Exhibit No. 6 was marked for identification. A copy is attached.) (Deponent reviews document.) A. Is the question, "Is this correct"? Q Is that your 26 (b) statement and attached CV? A. Yes, it is. Q I wonder if we could talk a little bit about 26 (b) expert statement. Did you prepare the 26 (b) expert statement? A. I did not. Q the - Who prepared the expert statemen•t? I do not know. Who did you receive the draft of 23 11 A. My recollection is it came from EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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80 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Mr. Newbold. Q. Did you make any changes to the 26 (b) statement when you received it? I reviewed it, and it-was in accord with our conversations. I did not make any changes. Q. So would I be correct in assuming that the 26 (b) statement accurately reflects the opinions that you intend to give? A. Yes. Q.' The curriculum vitae attached to the 26 (b) statement -- who drafted that? I did. Q.' And is this an up-to-date curriculum vitae as of today? A. As to present positions, yes. It does not reflect the change that will occur in June'- Q.' And the change that will occur June of this year is what? A. Well, June the 1st, I will become the Vice President of Chapman University -- EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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81 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 3 4 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 C-H-A-P-M-A-N -- in Orange, California. And the Law School there. And what moved you to leave lovely to go to California? It was not an easy decision. But Congratulations. Thank you. offers a unique challenge and a wonderful opportunity. It's an old, established university started in 1861. And it has a reputation as a quality academic institution. Just two years ago, the trustees and the president decided to start a new law school. This is an experience that I have not had, but it was one that was very intriguing to me. They needed guidance in working through the American Bar Association ~ ~ m . ~ requirements leading to provisional approval of the Law School. And I suspect that's why they identified me as having had some experience in the past with that. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation i information on the subject to the public." 2 Now, keeping that statement in 3 mind, do you see who has sigined, if you 4 will, in type letters, this statement? s A. Yes. 6 Q. Pall M. Hahn. Are you familiar 7 with Mr. Hahn? 8 A. No. I'm not familiar. 9 Q. Doyou know that he was a president to of one of the major tobacco companies at the t t time? 12 A. I think that document refers to him 13 as president of the -- 1a Q. Chainnan. t s A. Chairman. 16 Now the passage that we have iust 17 whic~l is contained on page 3 of this .., _, t s exhi it, does that passage indicate that 19 there is a responsibility on the part of the 20 management of the tobacco manufacturers and 21 others engaged in the tobacco industry to 22 aid in the final determination of this 23 controversy? 1 MR. NEWBOLD: Objection. The 2 document speaks for itself. Otherwise, it's 3 speculation. 4 Q. (By Ms. Nial) Is that what the s document says? 6 MR. NEWBOLD: Is your question is 7 that what the document says.7 8 A.'Ihat is what the document says. 9 MS. NIAL: Is that what the document to says? I know you say you're slow, but you're 11 not that slow. 12 Q. (By Ms. Nial) That is what the i 3 document says? 14 A. Yes. is Is this'tlmiegkind of ~ac aypotanao Q fopinion. 1 7 responsibility that would trigger a duty on t s the part of the tobacco industry to do 19 exactl~ what it says in this document? 20 To aid in the final detenmination 21 of this controversy and to communicate 22 authoritative factual information on the 23 subject to the public"? 1 MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of 2 the question. Definition of "duty." Go 3 ahead. Parham. 4 A. My answrr would be no. 5 Q. (By Ms. Nial) Is there any 6 statement or language that you could draft 7 that would, in fact, plaoe upon the tobacco 8 manufacturers a duty to disclose information 9 regarding the hazards of cigarette smoking? 10 A. You mean in a statement of this t 1 sort? 12 Q. Yes. In a public statement. 13 A. I don't think that whatever I would 14 draft would have any significance in 1 s creating a duty. said in the... ,... __.. 16 QSo no matter what the 1 Z: pub.Iic fo th f uld soe' an , - }Q.~xt _ . 2o A. In the pu lic forum, are yot?ti--! `` 21 referring to the Frank Statemen 22 Q. A similar statement. -- 23 A. A similar statement. My result CondenseIt! ' Deposition of: Parham H. Williams, Jt ag~2 9 1 my response is that that does not create a 2 duty on the part of the tobacco companies. 3 ~~What tf they made that statement in a an effort to -- strike that. What if they s made that statement with the hope that the 6 public would rely on that statement and not 7 regulate the tobacco industry? 8 MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form 9 of the_q uestion. Calls f~or speculation. to A.'Ihat is speculation and opinion. I t t guess my answer would be I don't know the 12 answer to that one. 13 Q. (By Ms. Nial) This is a document 14 which was included in Plaintiff's Response t s to Defendant's Joint Submission regarding 16 CTR and CTR Special Projects. That document 17 was included on the list of the documents ts that you reviewed. If we could identify 19 this as an exhibit and if you'd like to take 20 a moment to look at it. 21 (Plaintiff's Exhibit No. 12 was 22 marked for identification. A 23 copy is attached.) Page 23: Page 230 t (Deponent reviews document.) 2 Q. Now, do you recognize this document 3 as one of the documents you've reviewed? 4 A. Yes, I do. s Q. Now, on page 2 of the documeat 6 under Roman Numeral III, The Industry's 7 Position, the last two paragraphs, "T~y 8 feel that they shouldsponsor a public 9 relations campaign, which is positive in 10 nature and is entirely pro-cigarettes. 1 t They are confident that they can 12 supj)ly, us with comwehensive and 13 authoritative scientif c material which 14 completely refutes the health charges. ts Tbey are also emphatic in saying 16 that the entu+e activity,ts a long-term 17 continuing program, since they, feel t~lat the ts problem is one of promoting clgatettes and 19 protecting them from these and other attacks 20 that maybe expected in the future. 21 Each of the company presidents 22 attending emphasized the fact that they 23 coasider the program to be a long-term one." Page 23: Page 231 Page 231 1 Now, you've reviewed the Frank 2 Statement once in the last five or so 3 minutes. Did you find any language in the 4 Frank Statement that indicated that the cTR s would be pro-cigarettes? Ln 6 A. No. I don t think it says that. ~ 7 Q Did you see any~~~~ in the m . a Frank Statesztent that saidit would promote m ~ 9 cigarettes and protect them from attacks? 10 A. No. J We NLLL: Give us five minutes 1 t Ms w . . 12 can see if we can narrow down what we have ~ 13 for Y• Ln Reoess taken ) 14 (B 1 s Q. v Ms. Nial) Based on what we had t6 avitltatrte to us t.tlat you ttati revtewe(s-IOr 20 tobecco com any? 21 A. I've nof invested directly. I do 22 own mutual funds, which probably have 23 investments in the tobacco companies. I EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 Page 229 - Page 23,
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigataon I ttstatement, but the Rule 502 (d)(1), the 2 Crime Fraud Exception, is probably a 3 bringing forward of the common law rule. 4 It does specifically require that S the action be intentional and knowing on the 6 part of the client, which means the lawyer 7 could be innocent and ac ' in bona fide. s But the client could still vio ate that. 9 Q. So the lawyqr, in order for the 10 crime exception -- Crime Fraud Exception -- 11 to apPly, need not know that the client is 1 2 abustng the lawyer/client relationshi ? 13 Ma NaWHOt.n: Ob, ect to the --~ 14 think ou~u~st misstated his testimony. 1 S Q. (~y Ms. Nial) Let's try that again. sition of: Parham H. Williams, ) Page 11 I in Mississippi? 2 A. Not at this time. I am on what is t 2 I tried a case involving product liability or -- Page 1' 3 called inactive status. 3 Q. We could begin with that. Have you 4 Q. How about of the Bar in Alabama? 4 ever tried a case -- S a No, 6 Q. Do you intend to become an active s 6 A. No, I have not. Q. Have you ever taught products 7 have member of the Bar in California? 7 liability as a subject in law school? s A. I probably will, but not in the 8 A. No. I have not taught torts. It's 9 sense that I will be a practitioner. If 9 included in torts. I have not taught that. 1o they have a similar program as Mississippi, 10 Q. Is it your opinion that ethical 1 t which permits one to be an afflliate m berem 12 or nonpracticing member, I think is the way lt 12 considerations differ in cases that involve products liability? 13 it's described. Yes, I would like to do 13 A. As I understand the Code of 14 that. 14 Professional Conduct, it applies across the t s Q. You don't intend to take the 16 Cahfornia Bar? tS 16 board. Q. Is there any specialization in the 17 A.'ITtere are other things I would need 17 state of Mississippi for an ethics expert? 1 s to be doing. 1s A.I'm not aware of it if it is. I understand that. In 19 Q. Well 19 Q. Do you know whet6er or not there's , 20 connection with your testimony in this case, 20 anyspoctalization in ethics in any state? 21 have you reviewed any ethics opinions that 21 A.I'm not aware. There could be, but 22 have been issued by the Bar or the Supreme 22 I'm not aware of it. 23 Court in the state of Mississippi? 23 Q.Doyoukeepuponallofthe-- ..e..~.~-: . Page 116 Page 1' t A. No, I have not. 1 strike that. How do you keep up on the 2 Q. Have you reviewed any'ethics 2 current issues in legal ethics . 3 opinion issued by any Bar, grievance 3 A. Well, fust of all, I scan the 4 committee, or court in any state? 4 cases in the Southern Reporter, which are S A. Not ethics opinions as such, no. S the cases from Mississippi, Alabama, and 6 Q. What ethical materials -- back up. 6 Florida. 'Illea I try to keep up wtth the 7 What materials relating to ethics have you 7 Eleventh Circuit and Fifth Circuit 8 reviewed in preparation for your testimony s decisions. 9 here today? 9 I don't always get around to all of 10 A. I reviewed the Code of Professional lo them. But in the course of that sort of 11 Responsibility, that is the Mississippi 11 readiag there are ethical problems. 12 Code. And the Mississinni Rules of 12 Certainly attorney/client privilege problems 13 Evidence; specifically, Aiticlt 5. 13 that arise from ttme to time. 14 Q. Have you ever done any appellate 14 Q. Are there particular ethical rules, 15 consulting work? is if you will, that have been continually 16 A. I don't recall any specific 16 rec,ogn~cd over time? 17 instances. I don't think so. 17 A. I think, yes there are certain t s Q. I assume that you've taken the Bar 1 s rules that prescribe what's right and what's 19 exam in Mississippi. Are there -- is that 19 wrong that really haven't changed over time. 20 correct? 20 Q.Would one of those rules~e that a 21 A. No, I have not. Mississippi had 21 lawyer should not participate in assisting 22 the diploma privilege at the time I 22 his client toperpetrate a fraud? 23 graduated from law school. 23 A. Well, the -restatement -- not the la Q. ~s t~~o~u get a J.D., you're a If' you graduate from an accredited law school. Q. Do you have to article with anyone befot~ you practice? a No. (Off-the-record discussion.) Q. (By Ms. Nial) I assume, tberefore, you have not taken the Multistate Professional Responsibility Exam? A. I have not. Q. Have you, in the last five years, r cipated in the trial of any matter re a court? 16 A. As a lawyer? 17 Q.As a lawyer. ts -aNo. ..... _____._.. _ ~_._. .. . _. 2I" MR NEWH LD: b)eCt t0 the Orni o 22 the question -- "special expertise." 23 A. Well, I guess you're asking me have CondeaseIt! "' Page 117 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 t6 Must the lawyer know that the cien is lt 17 soeidaa his advice for the purnose of. ta_.fwtlxi'nntt a crirue or a fraudT .. _ .. Depo _ . „~'7~~y~."i\t1Y L-.uJG~1R7LJGi;'.fi1{~r 2t tno for the -= Myou. In order for 22 the Crime Fraud Exceptton to apply? 23 A. Well, let's look at the rule here, Page 1: Page 115 - Page 1 :
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86 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 citizen having special responsibility for the quality of justice. " A. Are you asking do I agree that? Q. Do you agree with that? Yes, I do. with Q. Do you agree that there are certain limitations on the representation that lawyer may provide to a client? I agree that there are certain limitations, yes. Q. Could you describe for me what limitations you believe there are on the representation that a lawyer can provide to a client? A. Well, one that occurs is the limitation under Mississippi Rule of Evidence 502 (d)(1), which is a Crime Fraud _..___.. Exception attorneyjclient privilege. Q. And how does that 501 (d)(1) Crime Fraud Exception m ~ 502. J . ~ I'm sorry 502 (d)(1) Crime Fraud W EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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82 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 So I saw it as a great opportunity. My wife was excited about it. And all my children wanted me to go, so I did. .Q. I'm assuming that the.experience that you're identifying that's going to be helpful in your new post is the experience described under academic consultations. A, That would be particularly useful, yes. Q.. And you've spent a lot of time reviewing the accreditation status of a number of law schools; is that correct? . Typically, those site visits last three to three and a half days. Then there is an intensive review of substantial amount of documents, and then a report is prepared based on that. Q Will you be teaching at all when you` go " "to" Chapman? * A. Not initially. Q.' I wonder if we could talk a little bit about your bill, if we may. This is a document that was produced to us as one of EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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89 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 witness to give false testimony,'then he -- the lawyer has violated the respected Rule of Professional Conduct. Q. If a lawyer knowingly•fails to turn over relevant evidence to an opposing party, is he violating any ethical rule? MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of the question. Q. (By Ms. Nial) You may answer. A. Are you asking me to assume that this is pursuant to a order of the court -- Q Yes. -- to disclose and turn over? Well, I would think if the court order specifically directs the lawyer to turn that over, then the lawyer should obey the rule and order of the court. Q. If the lawyer participates in a scheme -- or plan, if you'd like -- by which he sets up a system to create a claim of privilege with the goal of keeping information from an adversary in litigation, 23 11 is he breaching any ethical duty? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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59 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 those documents? A. Well, without having seen the entire text of the document, it would be difficult to say. But I think based on the excerpts that I saw, I felt confident that the attorney/client privilege would cover those actions. Would it be possible for another person or lawyer to differ as to the - differ from your opinion as to the applicability of the attorney/client privilege of those documents? MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of the question. A. Well, it does call for speculation; but I suppose people have differing opinions about matters. Q. (By Ms. Nial) Now ..__ . _-- January 31st meeting -- after your I'm sorry. After your March 8th and 13th meeting, did you meet again with tobacco industry lawyers? A. All right. There were those two meetings in early March. And then the next EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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85 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Q. Has Mr. Newbold discussed with you any possibility of testifying in other tobacco litigation cases? A. Other cases? No. Q. Mr. Williams, are you familiar with the Mississippi Rules of Professional Conduct? Q• I am. I wonder have'you reviewed recently the preamble to that -- to the Rules of Professional Conduct -- the Mississippi Rules of Professional Conduct? When you say recently, yes, within the past, I would say, two or three months, I have. Q. Would you agree that a lawyer has three distinct responsibilities? A. May I see the preamble, since we'll be t-ai-k'irig 'about it? Q. Sure. (Hands book.) In fact, it's contained in the first line of the preamble.~ ~ "A lawyer is a representative of clients, 23 11 an officer of the legal system, and a public N EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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88 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 court is? A. I'm not sure, no. Q. Do you understand that a lawyer participates in offering fraudulent testimony to a court may be upon the court? who guilty of fraud A. I would accept that definition of it, yes. Q. Would a lawyer who participates in fraud upon the court be violating his ethical responsibilities to the legal system? If he gives false testimony or aids a witness to give false testimony? Q. Correct. Which is the question? Q.' Both. And you can separate them• down if you'd like. -._....._ . . . Well,'I would _ce-rt-ainly say that., -a lawyer who gives false testimony would be committing a fraud upon the court. And under the Code of Professional Responsibility, if he knowingly permits a EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO Ln ~ m m ~
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Missis:4ppi Tobacco Litigation Conde nselt! n" DeP_o sition of: Parham H. Williams, Jr Page 1511 Page 15, 1 A. It was somewhat ambiguous. And 2 therefore, I think I need to stateag aln 3 what my opinion about that is. That if the 4 process is set up to deal with instruments s that are legitimately subject to the 6 privilege, then it's a valid process; and 7 the lawyer doesn't commit any ethical s transgression. 9 Q.However, if the lawyer sets up the I pick that up from reading that. 2 Q. If a C'hairman and CEO of a tobacco 3 company stated that the tobacco industry 4 targeted children in their advertising, s would that cause you any concern? 6 A. First of all, this would -- you're 7 asking me to assume that the advertisements s of that company would be focussed on 9 children under the age of -- what? 18? lo process to create a privtlege --. t t A. For documents that are not lo Q.18. 11 A. In an effort -- you're asking me to 12 otherwise privileged. 13 Q.Otherwtse pnvlleged -- 1a A.RIpht. And he does so knowingly t s and with the intent to accomplish that end, 16 then my answer that I gave this morning 17 would be in order. And that is that that t s process would be improper. 19 Q. Thank you. You mentioned earlier 20 today that you had some grandchildren. 21 Grandchildren age from 11 months to 11 22 years~ is that correct? 23 A. tIhat's correct. 12 assume further that this is an effort to 13 encourage those children to begin smoking? 14 Q. Correct, sir. 15 A. Well, I guess my answer would be I 16 would be unhappy about it, yes. 17 Q. Would you think they should be made 1 a to stop _targettng children? 19 A. V1/ell, I might have a certain animus 20 in that direction; but I don't know that 21 they are under any duty not to advertise to 22 that group. 23 Q. Do you know any state in which it I Q. Would you have any problem with the 2 11-year-old smoking? 3 A. I would be very disappointed and 4 unhap y about it, yes. 6s andQnd wh~ would you be disappointed 7 a Becausye first of all this is a 8 little~r l. And I would be less than happy 9 if she began sraokiztg for several reasons. 1o One of which would be that I think it's a t t messy dam habit and one that she ought not 12 take up. 13 And secondly, I would be concerned 14 because of the controversy that exists that perhaps she might be assunung 'a health risk. 16 Q. Would you be concerned if you 17 became aware that the tobacco industry was ts targeting your 11-year-old granddaughter for 1 9 the sale ot~ tobacco products? 20 A. Well, I'd have to know more about 21 that. What are you asking me to assume? 22 Targeting in what way? 23 Q. Let me try to give you some facts. Page 152 1 is legal to sell cigarettes to minors under 2 18? 3 A.I'm not aware of any. 4 Q.If selli, cigarettes to minors s under 18 is ~ega1, in your opinion, is 6 there something wrong with targeting 7 advertising to that segment of the 8 population? 9 MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form 1o of the question. Wrong in what sense? 11 Q. (Sy Ms. Nial) Do you understand 12 what I mean by "wrong : 13 A. Would you ask the question again? 14 QIf it is illegal to sell tobacco Is products to minors under the age of 18, 16 would it be wrong for a cigarette company -- 17 tobacco company -- to target that segment of t a the pop ulation? 19 A. By "wrong," do you mean a criminal 20 act? Or morally wrong?? What do you mean? 21 Q. Would it be a criaunal act? 22 A. No. It would not be a criminal 23 act. Page 15`. i Do you read the New York Times at all? Page 153 t Q. Would it be morally wrong? ' Page 156 2 A.Occasionally. m not prepaned to say that it 2 A. And I 3 Q. Do you read the Wall StrGet 3 would be morally wrong. 4 Journal? . 4 Q. Would it be ethically wrong? s 6 A. Occasionally. Q. you read in reaent weeks about 5 MR NEWBOt.D: Objectlon to the form 6 of the question. Which code of ethics are Ln F, m 7 the Liggett settlement of 22 Attprneys' 8 General cases? 7 we talldng about? s Q. (By s. Niall Would it be ethically m ~ 9 A. I have. 9 wr str? i ~ ~ to 11 ~~Did you happen to notice in your reading +egardtng the Li tt ~e settlement r h you're dealing with, once . 10 A t t again, business ethics; and I simply don't w m 12 that the C Fiairman/CEO o~Liggett issued a 12 know. 13 public statement? 13 Q. Assume for me Sir, that the 1 a A. I don't recall that specif cally, 14 tobaceo industry ha~ enterod into a 1 s t 6 but it probably was in the article. Q. Are you aware that Mr. Lebow, who is voluntary code which forbad the advertising 16 of c arette or tobacco products to minors. 1 7 is.the Chauman and CEO of. Liggett,. admitted _: :- -~Would that mako a difference to " r~r , 1"':;r: `~"~ t~ sOLD ~l~bn~'T,o` tfie foriir ct°gar"~Ie"orb'acco"advertisiri 7 ' 21 of the question and the use of the word 21 A. Well, the assumption is that the 22 "admitted." 22 tobacco industry, the several companies, 23 A. I'm not aware of that. I did not 23 voluntarily enter into, you say, a code or Page 151 - Page 156 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333
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74 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 counsel on both sides would qualify either as a former student or friend. And I, you know -- frankly, I don't recall who represents who, but if I could -see the list I could check them off for you. Q. Anyone else involved in the litigation a student? A. No. I think only those attorneys that we are talking about. Q. In the case in Kentucky, you were not deposed; is that correct? A. That's correct. Q. Did you offer an affidavit? A. I did. Q. Was that affidavit filed with the court? A. I do not know the answer to that. I submitted it, and that was it. Q. Was the trial judge, in fact, disqualified? I do not know the results of the matter. Q.' Do you know what the substance of EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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61 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 discussion with Mr. Newbold and Mr.. Randles yesterday? A. We continued a discussion of my testimony and matters related to that. Q What issues were discussed? A. I think a broad range of issues concerning the propriety of lawyer conduct in given instances. Q. What were the given instances that you discussed? A. Well, we talked about lawyer conduct as evidenced in those excerpts from the documents appearing in "The Cigarette Papers" and then extrapolations from that -- illustrations, hypotheticals. Q. Besides the documents that you were directed to in "The Cigarette Papers," are• there other documents or excerpts from H Ol m ~ . . ...,_.. ..__._. .._....... _._ ...... __... . .. ~ document's that you have reviewed that dealt ? co with lawyer conduct? MR. NEWBOLD: I'm going to object to the form of the question. Because I don't think that the total documents were in "The EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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90 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form of the question and the use of the word "scheme." Q (By Ms. Nial) Or plan: However you would like to interpret those words. Well, let's make sure of what I am' being asked to assume. First of all, I'm being asked to assume that a lawyer is representing a client -- Q. Correct. A. -- engaged in litigation. Q. Correct. A. And that there is a court order directing the disclosure of certain material in the hands of that lawyer's client; is that correct? Q. No. Let's back up for a second., The lawyer is representing a client who is involved in litigation. And he sets up a. program of documents -- A.' "He" being the lawyer? Q.', "He" being the lawyer. Sets up a . v, ~ program of document handling in order to m ~ J ~ EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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73 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 worked for him in this case in the state of Kentucky? A. I've known him all of his life, yes. Q Did you teach him in law school? I did teach him in law school. Was he a good student? A.' He, too, was a great student. Q. Besides Mr. Barrett, Mr. Ferris, Mr. Hewes, and maybe the rest of the known world, who else involved in this litigation are your friends or students? You mean in the total tobacco -- the Mississippi Attorney General -- Q In the tobacco litigation about which we are here today. MR. NEWBOLD: Well, you said "friends or students. it m Could you restate Q. (By Ms. Nial) Friends or students. And if you can identify if a person is a friend or student. A. Well, I suspect that almost all EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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92 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 question, please? A. Yes. My answer would be this: First of all, I need to know more of the facts in order to intelligently answer the question. There could be other reasons why the lawyer would wish to review or screen documents in the hands of the client or in the hands of other parties having a common interest in the litigation. So I would have to know the answer to that first before I could give you an answer that would be meaningful. Q. If I gave you the answer that the. only reason the lawyer has set up this program for document handling is to be able to make'a claim of privilege so as to keep those relevant documents from an adversary in litigation. A. My answer -- MR. NEWBOLD: I object to the form of the question, because there's no question. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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93 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Q. (By Ms. Nial) The question is whether a lawyer has violated any ethical duty either to the court or to his adversary if he develops a program of document handling for the only purpose of being able to claim a privilege so as to keep relevant- evidence from an opposing party? A. All right. Assuming that that is the only purpose for handling the documents in the fashion you have described, I believe that the -- first of all, the effort to create a privilege for documents is -- for that sole purpose -- is not a worthy purpose for the lawyer to engage in. And I would conclude that if that is the only purpose for which the documents are received, then that lawyer is not being ethically valid. He is not performing in a . ~ . .. ... . way.a lawyer should perform. Q. Should the claim of privilege that is made as a result of the program we have just discussed in the previous question Ln - ~ m survive? m A EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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76 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Chancellor of the University. And I testified in that through deposition. Q. And what was the substance of that litigation? A. Certain students at the Law School felt they had been unfairly discriminated against in grading and retention policies of the Law School. Q. Was it a racial'discrimination case? A. Essentially so, yes. Q. Was it brought in federal court? A. It was. Q. Did I hear you correctly that you were a individual defendant in that case? A. Yes. As I recall, the Dean, the Chancellor, and perhaps there were other individual defendants as well as the entities* themselves . Q Were you represented separately by an attorney in that case? A. I was. Who was that attorney? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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91 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 have a claim of privilege which can be made relating to the documents that go through that program of document handling in order to keep those documents away from an adversary. Well -- MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of the question. I don't think there's a question in there. There's a str-ing of assumptions, but no question. (By Ms. Nial) We'll try again. The question begins: Does a lawyer violate his ethical duty -- any ethical duty that he has --'either to the court or to his adversary if he, while representing a client in litigation, sets up a program for document handling in order to be able to make a claim of privilege and thus keep relevant inform-ation -from an -ad-versary?- MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form. Use of the word "program for document handling." Q. (By Ms. Nial) Could you answer the EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO co
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95 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 permitted -- to intimidate a witness through collateral litigation? MR. NEWBOLD: I object to the form of the question -- use of the word "intimidate." A. Well, if there is a legitimate cause of action, the lawyer's breaching no ethical standard by filing the action. Q. If it is an illegitimate cause of action brought for only one reason; that is, to stop'the witness from testifying against his client, is that an appropriate ethical activity for a lawyer? A. Well, once again, it depends on more facts than you're giving me. For example, if the action is to prevent a person from utilizing stolen documents in testifying, there may be a legitimate cause of action. Q• If the testimony does not involve, quotes, stolen documents, does that make a difference to your opinion as to whether or not action by an attorney to intimidate a Ln m m FN J EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO u4~:-, N
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84 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Q. So when you actually have to testify in court, you charge $300 an hour? A. Yes. Q. How did you determine the $300 an hour charge? A. After discussions with, primarily,- Mr. Ferris and subsequently with Mr. Newbold. Q. Is there anything you would like to add to this list of expenses and time spent on this case? A. I don't think so. I hope I didn't leave anything out. Q. I assume that you intend to provide them with a bill for yesterday's meeting? A. I do. Q. bill? Have you been paid pursuant to that A. I have. And from whom did you receive a L, om The check came from Mr. Newbold's 6-0-' EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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98 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 1 9- 20 21 22 23 witness from testifying. A. I would ask one more bit of information. How did the witness acquire the information that he is going to use for his testimony? Q. He is a former employee of the defendant. A. And may I assume that he acquired it from the files of his former employer? Q. Not from the files, but simply by being there. A. Well, you've asked me to assume an awful lot. And I would say the short answer is if there is no legal basis for cause off action and the lawyer participates filing a case on behalf of a client for the only purpose of intimidating a potential witness against his client and there is no other . reason_such as the acquisition of -- or the improper acquisition of information from the witness's former employer. If you ask me to assume that -- no other reason. Then my answer would be that EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation t would have to look at the prospectus or the 2 annual report to determine the answer to 3 that. 4 Q. Do any of your sons or your s daughter work for a tobacco company? 6 A. No. 7 Q. Have you ever attended a seminar 8 held by any of the tobacco industry 9 defendantsrcgarding the medical issues 10 involved in tobacco litigation? 1 t a I have not. 12 Q. Have you been invited to such a 13 seminar? 14 A. I have not. ts Q. Have you gone to the law fum of 16 Covington & Burling to discuss tobacco or 1 7 tobacco litigation?. ts A. I have not. 19 Q~Has Mr. Randles offered you access 20 to Shook, Hardy & Bacon's 4th floor library 21 on tobacco litigation? 22 A. He has not. 23 Q.You think you might want to ask him i about it? 2 a We will discuss it. 3 Q. When you wert reviewing 4 Mr. Trotter's deposition, did you have any s particular problems with any of the opinions 6 that h~e~ gave? 7 A. Well, could you be specific and 8 point me to an opinion? 9 Q. WcU, I wouldn't know what o inions 1 0 you might have objected to. Why don't we 11 get outlzis 26 )statement and start from 12 there? Is this~6 (b) statement of Cham 13 Trotter's familiar to you? 14 a Yes it is. is Q.Int{~efu~stpartofthis26(b)or 1 6 expert disclosure statement, it says, 17 "IvIr. Trotter is expected to te5tify 1 s concerning the tobacco industry s practice 19 of involving lawyers in scientific meetings 2o and editing scientific reports and other 21 documents. 22 And in selecting scientific 23 research projects and of sending scientific i reports and other documents regarding 2 scientific research through tbeir legal 3 departments." 4 Then it says, "Spectficall s Mr. Trotter is expected to testify that the 6 foregoi~ng practice was an attempt to 7 wrongfuIIy create a privilege 1'or various s reports and other documeats that the 9 industry wished to conceal from plaintiff s to counsel and others in order to claim that t t the reports and other documetlts were 12 protected against disclosure b the 13 attorney/cltent privilege or Work Product 14 Doctrine." t s Did I read that correctly, 16 Mr. Williams? 17 -. 4A. Yes: _. io a ell, based on tfie maten s that 21 I've reviewed and the other materials, the 22 Code and other matters that I have testified 23 earlier that I utilized and relied on in _CondensoIt! T" _ Deposition of: Parham H. . Williams, : Pa,ge 235 Page 2 Page 236 t fon3ung opinions, I reached the conclusion 2 that what the la were doing, as 3 evidenced throu~ se materials, was 4 legitimate lawyer work. And that there was s no violation.of any ethical standard. 6 Q. When you reviewed Mr. Trotter's 7 deposition, did ypu note that Mr. Bernick 8 discussed with him several volumes of 9 documents that he reviewed in order to come 1o to his collusions regarding the conduct of 1 t the tobacco lawyers? 12 A.I remember a reference to that, but 13 1 would need to see the deposition in order 14 to be certain. ts Q. We'll find that citation in a 16 moment. I presume as those notebooks are 17 not on the list, you have not had an ts o~ portunity to review those notebooks that 19 Chatn Trotter reviewed? 20 A. I don't recall independently what 21 it says. I would like to see that before I 22 answer the question. ' 23 Q. That's Cham Trotter's deposition, t Volume 1. And I believe it's in the 2 right -- lower right hand cotner. I think 3 that's~age 6. s~?Five, six, seven eight. Is it down 6 Q.I think it's right here and the 7 bottom of that sma11Page8 A. Page 7 is what I'mreading 9 Q. Bottom of p?age 6, I think, all the 1o way up o t~ ~p_ 7age11 (~10 t reviews document.) 12 Q.I you agroe that the deposition 13 says that be has two volumes of documents 14 wltich he reviewed in preparation for this? 15 A. That's what it says. 16 Q. And you have not seen those 17 documents -- those two volumes? t s A. Wetl it says, "Selected readings 19 from the Butler case." And then in the 20 upper right part of the transcript, it says 21 that there's some 32 documents in those 22 volumes. Fn;nkly I'd have to see that in 23 order to know if Ilve seen them elsewhere. Page 2 Page 237 n& 1. Q. But no one has rovided to yo~u two 3 Ttootter neviewed"7 "This is what Cham 4 A. I have not seen anything as being S identified as selected niding from the 6 Butler case. 7 Q. When you reviewed the Trotter s deposition, did you -- after you reviewed 9 it, excuse me, the Trotter deposttion, did 1o you discuss it at your meetings? tI A.Inoneofthemee~'ngs, wedld 12 review the deposition -- at least selected 13 parts of it. 14 Q. Do you recall which selected parts 1 s werepointed out to you by -• 16 ~. My recollection is most of the - 7 looked at were, in,yol 20 tn cntes that we've now been go'ing for six 21 hours of testimony. 22 MS. NIAt.: In that case, based on 23 the agreement, we'll stop today and simply Page 2 9= Page 235 - Page 2 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 .
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83 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 the documents relating to your testimony. (Plaintiff's Exhibit No. 7 was marked for identification. A copy is attached.) Q. Mr. Williams, is this the bill that you've provided to Mr.. Newbold? A. Yes, it is. Q. Does the bill, up until the last date on the bill, 3/17/97, correctly identify the time that you have spent working on this case? A. Yes, it does. Q. How did you bill Mr. Hewes for the meetings and telephone calls you had in 1 9 9 4 ? A. A similar bill. Q. Do you have a copy of that bill? A. I do not with me, if that's what you're asking. Q. I note that you're charging a little bit more for this work. A. Yes. Because I will give testimony in this case. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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8 7 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Exception provide limits on an attorney's representation of a client? A. Because it limits the effect of the privilege by providing that if•the advice is given to enable or aid someone to commit or plan to commit a crime or fraud and the client reasonably should have known that, then the privilege is dissipated. There are also provisions in the Rules of Professional Conduct that specifically prohibit a lawyer from providing information enabling or aiding a client to commit a crime or fraud. Q. As an officer of the legal system, does a lawyer have any special responsibility, for example, of candor to a tribunal? A. Well, a lawyer is an officer of the court. That is generally regarded as a threshold function of the legal profession. And I believe that the lawyer does have an obligation of candor. L, ~ m Q. Do you know what fraud upon the 4h 4h EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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107 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 part-time basis and continue private practice. And that was the course I followed. law 4 11 Q. And what kind of practice did you have? A. General small town practice -- rights, wills, deeds, things of that sort. Q. Did you do criminal defense work prior to you becoming District Attorney? A. No, I did not. Q. You were District Attorney for -- let me see. A. About seven years, as I recall -- six years. Q. Did you have a good win/loss record? A. Well, it was good enough to get reelected. Q. Any capital cases? - . Yes. But there was never a capital verdict during that time. Q. What made you leave, quotes,. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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108 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 A. I had always wanted to do that. And an opportunity developed at the University of Mississippi Law School to teach for a year. And then during that time, apply for the Sterling Fellowship. The understanding was if I successfully completed the Master of Laws degree, then I would have a position at the Law School. Q. Would it be fair to say -- and please do correct me if I'm.wrong -- that your primary experience in private practice would be in the criminal area? A. Yes. Q. What did you teach when you were a visiting professor at the University of Mississippi School of Law in the fall semester of 1996? A. I taught evidence. Q. Are you writing an article on tobacco litigation currently? A. No, I am not. • EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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96 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 witness through a collateral lawsuit is appropriate? Once again, I need some more information. Are you asking me to assume that this is an action to stop a witness from testifying about documents in his possession? Q. The witness testifying about information regarding the lawyer's client that would be damaging to the lawyer's client. And therefore, the lawyer has taken the action -- lodged the complaint -- in order to stop that witness from testifying. MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form of the question. Well, once again, my answer would have to be that if there is a legitimate - cause of action, then the lawyer's _ _ _ . _ . __.... _._ ethically in filing~that case. Ln ~ m m ~ ~ ~ Ln w justified Q. Same facts, illegitimate ca-use of action. A. well, would you give me an example? I'm not sure I understand what you're asking EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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104 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 undergrad. How did you do that? A. Well, it wasn't by virtue of super intelligence, I assure you of that. But at that time, the University of Mississippi Law School and the University itself had a policy which permitted a student to complete three yea•rs of undergraduate work and then to enter law school. And in two years plus two summers acquire the necessary number of hours. And as I recall at that time, 82 credit hours were required in law school. So that's the explanation of how that happened. Q. Excellent explanation. You got an LL.M. from Yale. A. Yes. Q. What is the specialty? A. Yale, at that time, offered a general Master of Laws degree for persons who wished to go into law teaching. And that was the degree program I followed. Q. And you did your LL.M., if you Ln ~ T 0 ~ ~ ~ m . . . ___ ~ . . . .. . . ;,r EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 110 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. Q. (By Ms. Nial) We were going to talk a little bit more about your CV. I wonder if you could identify for me on your CV any articles or books or presentations that you have given on legal ethics. A. The book, which discusses it, in sort of summary fashion, is this "Mississippi Evidence" book. It, by no means, is a in-depth discussion of it. It simply discusses the attorney/client privilege and the parameters of that. Q. "The Comparison of Federal and Mississippi Rules of Evidence"? A. No. It's -- Q. On which page? A. It's entitled "Mississippi Evidence" on page 5. Q. Okay. With Dr. Carolyn Ellis Staton? - . . Staton. Staton. A. Correct. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 114 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. A. A bar committee? The committee that probably involved that most closely was the Drafting Committee, which was a subcommittee of the Advisory Committee to the Mississippi Supreme Court on rules. I was Chair of that committee and also Chair of the Drafting Committee for the Mississippi Rules of Evidence. And in the course of that, we-had, of course, consideration of Article 5 and the implications of the attorney/client privilege and the reflected ethical considerations there. Q. And again, that did not deal specifically with the area -- Q. It wasn't titled ethics, no. Have you served on any grievance committees? A. No, I have not. . Q. Have you consulted with any grievance committees on the issue of ethics? A. No, not to my recollection. . EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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101 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 publicizing it in order to stop that witness from testifying?- Publicizing it, not in the courtroom, you understand, but in the public media. MR. NEWBOLD: I object to the form of the question. It calls for speculation on the part of the witness. MS. NIAL: The witness is an expert. MR. NEWBOLD: I still object to form of the question. MS. NIAL: And I'm asking him a hypothetical. A. You're asking me, then, to assume that in addition to performing an investigation, or having it performed, and compiling materials relating to that witness and his credibility. Because obviously u, ~ that's going to be the thrust of the m ~ lawyer's cross. _ ~ ~ • u, And further to assume that the 0° lawyer then authorizes the publication of that -- you used the term "publicized." How EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 112 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. criminal law. And I have -- well, I guess more than 30 years have dealt with the ethical considerations that arise in the course of teaching those classes. Q. Are you familiar with professor Samuel Dash of Georgetown University? A. Yes, I know who he is. Q. Do you recognize professor Sam Dash as an ethics expert? A. He's certainly an expert on criminal law. And I think he probably has done enough writing in ethics to qualify, yes. And what about Jeffrey Hazzard? A. Yes, I do. If you're asking me do I recognize him as an expert -- Q. Do you recognize Jeffrey Hazzard as an expert? . A. Yes, I do. Q. Beside the two publications we've discussed, are there any other EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO that Ln ~ m ~ ~
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 106 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. study that you had to follow to get the Sterling Fellowship? A. Well, I had to have a law degree, first of all. Then I had to indicate an interest in going into law teaching. And I might point out that the Sterling Fellowships are given in other fields at Yale, not just the Law School. Q. I noticed that you were in private practice for a short period of time. A. Yes. MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of the question -- short. Nothing's short in practicing law. MS. NIAL: It looked short to me. '56 to '57. Q. (By Ms. Nial) How long were you in private practice? A. I began in the fall of 1_956 and actually continued until 1963. At that time, Mississippi's statutory scheme permitted a lawyer to be elected District EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation i assume for a moment, that it is his position 2 that secular ethics cannot be normative• 3 that is,they cannot establish a standara of 4 conduct. They can only describe ethical s dilemmas. Is that your position as to what 6 ethical ethics can do? 7 HR. NEWBOLD: I object. That is not s Kevin Wildes' position. 9 MS. NIAL: It certainly is what he 1o testified to. 11 MR. RA.*rD1.ES: It's not what he . 12 testified to. I was there as well. 13 Q. ~By Ms. Nial) Is that your view of 14 ethics. 15 A. Well, you're askingme to assume, 16 first of all, that is Dr. W-ildes' position. 17 Q. Uh-huh. 1 s A. Regardless of whether it is, you're 19 asking me to assume that? 20 Q. For the purposes and based on the 21 objections coming from the other side of the 22 table. However, assume that that is his 23 position. I a Well, I do think that therre are 2 norms -- norms in any area of ethical 3 conduct and standards that we live by, 4 whether it be professional ethics or general 5 ethics. I think there are nonais designating 6 what is good, what is bad, what is right, 7 what is s wrongi Q. Dr. Sterlng's affidavit or 9 declaration of Dr. Sterling. Is there any to particular piece of information that you t 1 found particularly helpful in forming you 12 your opinion in Dr. Sterling's affidavit? 13 a As I recallR he commented upon his 14 freedom to publish, his freedom to develop 1 s the research without direction, if I am 16 identifying the correct one. 17 Q. Is it possible that Dr. Sterling 18 didn't know that his work was being 19 manipulated? 20 MR. NEwaot.D: Objection'to the form 21 of the question. 22 A. I can't answer that. 23 Q. (By Ms. Nial) Would it make a difference to you, in your opinion, if his work was being tnantpulated without his knowledge? A. Well, I don't know what you mean by "manipulated." OY, d',>e thout cted~sCh~aagold.~ 'stived in any MR. NEWBOLD: Objecttotl,to the form of the guestion. It's compound. Q. (By Ms. Nial) If it was changed without-his knowledge, would that make a difference to you? A. Are you askulg me to assume that his report of his research was changed by some person without the consent of the researcher? . -%- -_.~. 21 Q. Yes. Would that make a difference 22 to you? 23 A. Now I'm lost. A differenoe as to CondenseIt! n,' Page 217 Page 218 Page 219 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 10 conclusions that I did about cTlt research. 11 Q. But you wen:n't -- sorry. I didn't 12 mean to inttmlpt you. 13 A. All I have to go by is what is itr 14 those affidavits. And they clearly indicate 15 that the manipulation, as you phrase it, was 16 not in place. 17 Q. But you've not seen any documents 1s except -- relating to CTtt funding except 19 these affidavits and the materials provided 20 to you by the tobacco industry lawyers; is 21 that correct? 22 MR. NEWBOLD: Objection. Asked and 23 answered. 1 what? 2 Q~As to your opinion as to the 3 conduct of the tobacco industry and its 4 lawyers in relation to CTR research. S MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form 6 of the~ question. 7 A. Well, if I were informed of that s and I accepted that, then of course, it 9 would go into the mix ot forming the I a WeU, as I said before, I have 2 reviewed these materials including those 3 affidavits and have not seen documents 4 outside the materials furnished me. s 0. When you reviewed Dr. Gutstein's 6 affidavit and Dr. Furst's affidavit, did you 7 notice that those affidavits were very s similar in paragraph 10? 9 A. May I see the two again? 10 QSure. (Handing document) This is 11 Dr. Furst's affidavit. You can see his 12 signature. 13 Deponent reviews documents.) 14 A Well, certainly the simple thrust is is similar. 16 Q. s the language the same? 17 A. Tbe 1ang~tage is somewhat different. 1 s Furst is, I beGeve, a little bit longer. 19 They're essentially the same. There's some 2o dif encnoe in laaguage 21 Q. When theso affidavit's were shared 22 with you by tobacco industry lawyers, did 23 they tell you who drafted the affidavits? I A.'Ihey did not. 2 Q;Did tbe tobacco industry lawyers 4 provide yoDr. Homby inf?nmation verbally s ~a~M~y recollection is~that 6 Dr. Homburger's name came up when we were -- 7 or when I was loo at the excerpts in s Chapters 7 and 8 of Cigarette Papers." 9 1 thtnSc I'm correct on that. I'm not lo absolutelYm th certain. ~ discuss wi youoi~n to ,8 ve time ~" 1 The Cl arette Pa this 13 afternoon. So we' 1l move on to try to 14 discuss what we did have. 1 s I noticed in the box that we 16 received regarding the contained documents 17. that wa+e rr,latod y0ur testimony aa Order 0 3u 21 Deposition of: Parham H. Williams, h Page 22 ..j.~.~.-,.rnF . .arr.,... _. . XY-e"s; I do. form?Why were you provided with that A. I don't know. It was with the 22 23 Page 22 Page 22: Ln ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ w ~ w Page 217 - Page 22: .` - -- _..._.~.~~
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94 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 The claim of privilege would certainly survive as to other documents as to which it may legitimately be claimed. may -- it may prevail to protect documents It that are brought in. My opinion is that it probably should not prevail as to those documents. Q. As to the documents that went through the program - A. For the specific purpose of shielding them under the lawyer's control in order to create a privilege. Q.' Is it appropriate for a lawyer representing a client in litigation to take actions against a witness in order to stop that witness from testifying? Well, I'd have to know more about the facts. What sorts of actions? . _ . ---.. ._.. _. _ ._... - , -- Q. Brin~g a c~ollatera ..l lawsuit again~t the witness in order to stop the witness from testifying against his client. A. What is your question? 23 11 Q. Is a lawyer permitted -- ethically EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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99 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 the act to intimidate the witness'probably is improper. Q Is it appropriate for a lawyer in order to stop a witness from testifying against his client to engage investigators in order to put together a dossier on a witness which the lawyer then provides to the press for the purposes of stopping the witness from testifying against his client? MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form of the question. A. The question is: Is that ethical or proper? Q. Uh-huh. The lawyer has an obligation to adequately and effectively represent his client. And in the course of that representation, it may, and often, becomes necessary for the lawyer to identify areas where there are gaps in information or knowledge. And to seek to fill those gaps in various ways by the use of investigators, EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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124 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 crime or fraud being planned by the client is not successful. It does not occur. Although that is, in fact, what the client was planning. In that case, does the Crime Fraud Exception apply to the advice the lawyer gave the client? A. It is my understanding that the lawyer should -- he has a duty to give the client advice, which includes various options which the client may accept or reject. Unless the client acts upon one, which is fraudulent in nature or criminal in nature, then I would think not. Q. So what meaning does the phrase "or plan to commit" have in that. rule? A. Well, as I read the rule, it says simply, "To enable or aid anyone to plan to commit," which is to put in effect the I planning. Once again, there has to be action on the part of the client. Does the client follow throu_gh on EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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103 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Q. Are you aware of any ethical rule which would-prohibit a lawyer from participating in the presentation of deceptive testimony to a legislative body? MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form of the question -- the use of the word "deceptive.." A. Well, the Rules of Professional Conduct require the lawyer to make honest presentations. That is, not to knowingly present false evidence to a court. A legislative hearing is not the same sort of body as a court. But I would be of the opinion that if the lawyer -- and you're asking me to assume that misinformation -- misleading information is given to the legislative body. That that is improper for the lawyer to do. - Q. Let's go back a little bit back in time to your resume. I was struck by the fact that you managed a'complete law school EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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119 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 •2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 strike that. How do you keep up on the current issues in legal ethics? A. Well, first of all, I scan the cases in the Southern Reporter, which are the cases from Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida. Then I try to keep up with the Eleventh Circuit and Fifth Circuit decisions. I don't always get around to all of them. But in the course of that sort of reading, there are ethical problems. Certainly attorney/client privilege problems that arise from time to time. Q. Are there particular ethical rules, if you will, that have been continually recognized over time? A. I think, yes, there are certain rules that prescribe what's right and what's wrong that really haven't changed-over time. Q. . Would one of those rules be that a lawyer should not participate in assisting his client to perpetrate a fraud? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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100 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 iS 16 17 18 23 other techniques, which will provide the needed information necessary to enable the lawyer to effectively represent the client. Q. So it's your opinion,•if I'm correct -- and please correct me if I'm wrong -- that a lawyer that engages an investigator in order to put a dossier together on a witness which he intends to publicize in order to stop the witness from testifying against his client is acting appropriately? A. In preparing to cross a witness, it should be a function of the lawyer to acquire as much information about the witness and the subject matter of his testimony as possible. And it may be necessary to compi'le what you call a dossier, or collection of information, about the witness. I see nothing wrong with that. That's part of a lawyer function. Q. And you see nothing wrong with the lawyer taking that informatio-n and Ln ~ m m EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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117 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Q. That means you get a J.D., you're a lawyer; is that right? If you graduate from an accredited law school. Do you have to article with anyone before you practice? Q. No. (Off-the-record discussion.) (By Ms. Nial) I assume, therefore you have not taken the Multistate Professional Responsibility Exam? A. I have not. Q. Have you, in the last five years, participated in the trial of any matter before a court? m ~ A. As a lawyer? ~ ~ ~ Q. As a lawyer. ~ A. No. Q. Do you have any special -expertise . in the area of product liability litigation? MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of the question - "special expertise.". EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 116 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. A. No, I have not. Q. Have you reviewed any ethics opinion issued by any Bar, grievance committee, or court in any state? A. Not ethics opinions as such, no. Q. What ethical materials -- back up. What materials relating to ethics have you reviewed in preparation for your testimony here today? A. I reviewed the Code of Professional Responsibility, that is the Mississippi Code. And the Mississippi Rules of Evidence; specifically, Article 5. Q Have you ever done any appellate consulting work? A. I don't recall any specific instances. I don't think so. Q- I assume that you've taken the Bar exam in Mississippi. Are there -- is that correct? A. No, I have not. Mississippi had 22 the diploma privilege at the time I EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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118 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 I tried a case involving product liability or - Q. We could begin with that. Have you ever tried a case -- A. No, I have not. Q. Have you ever taught products liability-as a subject in law school? A. No. I have not taught torts. it Ln F, m m ~ J ~ Ln I s included in torts. I have not taught that. Q. Is it your opinion that ethical considerations differ in cases that involve products liability? As I understand the Code of Professional Conduct, it applies across the board. Q. Is there any specialization in the state of Mississippi for an ethics expert? A. I'm not aware of it, if it is. Q. Do you know whether or n-ot there's any specialization in ethics in any state? A. I'm not aware. There could be, but 22 11 I'm not aware of it. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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105 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 the University of the Mississippi; is that correct? A. No. I was on leave for the academic year 1964-65. Q. That's when you had the Sterling Fellowship? A. That's correct. Q. And what is the Sterling Fellowship? A. Sterling was a prominent New York lawyer. In fact, the law firm of Shearman & Sterling bears his name. He was a Yale graduate and a very generous philanthropist to Yale and established this endowed scholarship back probably at the beginning of this century. Q. And how did you manage to get the Sterling Fellowship? J A. I applied for it. And there is acy) process, as I recall and understand, of review and selection. And based on that, I was awarded the scholarship. N EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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REERR Mississippi Tobacco Litigation 1 several filings made that wert listed on 2 your list. Let's pull the list out and make 3 sure. It might have been the'Butler case. 4 MR. NEWBOLD: Do you'have a copy of 5 that list? Where are the exhibits? 6 Ms. NiAt.: Right here in front of 7 me. 8 Q. Plaintiff's memorandum in support 9 to compel documents listed in plaintiff's to first designation. And then plaintiff's t t supplemental in Butler regarding CTR. You 12 reviewed those particular submissions? 36 13 through Oh, I guess, 36 through 42? 14 A. Yes At one time or another, I did 1s review those. 16 Q.And what impact did those 1 7 submissions, if an , have on your opinion t s regarding the conduct of tobacco industry 19 la 7wyers 20 A. To be specific, which documents are ZZ you referring to? 23 in those The fcases g Lh regarding e Cprime Fraud t Exception and their motions to compel 2 certain documents. 3 A. Well, I thought that the pleadings 4 were well put together -- weli-drafted. I s did not feel that they were persuasive in 6 causing me to change my opinion. 7 Q. Have you made a systematic review a or a systematic study of the conduct of 9 tobacco industry lawyers ovet the past 40 1 o years? i t A. Well, I have reviewed the materials 12 that have been rovided to me. And as to a 13 systematic stu~y over a period of 40 years, 14 the answer would be no. But much of that t s material does contain historical background. 16 Q. Were you offered access to any 17 documents beyond what has been produced is here? 19 A. No. 20 Q. Have you asked for any access 21 beyond -what's been produced here? 22 a No. 23 Q.I'd like to ask you to look at your 1 26 (b) statement, which I believe we made 2 Exhibit 6 and ask you to took at the third 3 paragraph from the top. 4 And it says, "In particular, 5 Professor Willtams,ls expected to opine 6 that in the context of continuous product 7 liabilitx litigation and recurring 8 legislative and administrative proooodings, 9 and when these legal proceedings generate 10 media attendon, including comment from t t adversaries, that product manufactutexs, 12 including cigarette manufactuters, are t 3 entitled to seek adviee from lawyers about 14 how to conduct their affairs and how to t s communicate about these affairs in order to 16 protect their legal or litigation 17,positions" ~, a >.. ,,,~ ~3~a~~~ ..:a i 2~ser'vh"§oe .'-'':I$ 1 . _-. .---21 A. Yes. It is not a breach of duty to 22 provide those services. 23 Q. And is that the opinion you intend CondenseIt_! sition of: Parham H. Williams, J: Page 211 Page 21 ll Page 212 Page 213 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 t to testlfy to when ca cd to the stand in 2 the Moore case? 3 A. Yes it is. 4 Q. And that is an opinion based on s only the documents that are listed on the 6 list that we have in our possession at this 7 time? 8 A. That is correct. And also on my 9 experiencx over time -- some 30 odd years of 1o teaching with emphasis from time to time on i t legal ethics in certain courses. 12 On other readings of a general 13 background nature. On m~y familiarity with 14 the Code of Professional Responsibility and t s with the Rules of Evidence. 16 Q. But none of those readings relating 17 to the Rules of Professional Responsibility, 18 etc. that I believe are discussed in the 19 last paragraph on this Rule 26 (b) statement 20 provide you with any factual information regarding the conduct of tobacco industry 21 lawyers; is that correct? 23 A.3hat's corroct. 20 (Hands documents.) 21 Deponent reviews documents.) 22 Q. ave you had an opportunity to look 23 at these documents? 1 Q. Do you have a list there of the 2 documents? 3 a I do not. 4 Q. Let's try to shate here. Documents s 2 through 8 are affidavits or declarations 6 of witnesses that have either testified, 7 have been listed to testify, or have s provided affidavits for the defendants -- 9 the tobacco defendants in either the Butler lo case, the Moore case, or the Childs case; is 1 t that correct? 12 a Let I see that. 13 Q. I can show you those if you'd 14 like. I'm sorry. And the Stackman case. 15 Now, as you've reviewed -- 16 A. Excuse me. She was going to show 17 me those documents. 1a Q. Oh, sure. 19 A.Items 2 through 8. I A. Yes. Thank you. 3 thatQ uveh~ad a io~daskyounow Yo pportunity to refresh 4 your memory,. On what, in the Wildes s document -- in the Wildes affidavit do you 6 intend to rely on givt't~g your testimony 7 either today or at tdal~ s A. Well, the Wildes document is a 9 useful summacy oT survey of general ethical 10 princip les. And I would certainly want to t t refresh myself about those and draw upon 12 them in de~velopin gveloping an opinion or testimony. 13 Q. When you say that this affidavit is 14 a good ttfnesher on geueral ethical I S prtnc iples, did you note while reading 16 Dr. Wildes' affidavit that ethics can only i t be descrigtive and not normative? L59013Mo"~.M.,, ..rES SMERM ® ® 21 A- I'm not sure I quite understand 22 23 what he means. Q. If I told you, and if you would Page 21 Page 21 Page 211 - Page 21
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 125 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. implement it or not? If it isn't acted on in that sense, I would say there's no triggering of the exception. Q. But if he acts on it to forward his plan -- if the client acts on the advice provided by the lawyer in order to put together his plan, but the plan is not successful, does the Crime Fraud Exception apply to the advice that the lawyer gave the client? MR. NEWBOLD: I object to the form. Are we using the definition of successful that you gave two questions back? MS. NIAL: Yes. MR. NEWBOLD: Then let's hear that definition. MS. NIAL: We will continue to u$e the definition that I previously provided, which means that the fraud is successful -- . Ln F- m m ~ J co N the fraud actually defrauds someone. But in this case, it's not successful. Do I need to repeat the question for you, EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 133 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. any difficulty quitting? A. No. Q. What was the age at which you began smoking? A. I started when I was in law school. Probably the first year in law school. So I would have been about 21. Q. And you stopped when? A. Well, I smoked for, maybe, two years. I did not smoke for a while after I graduated from law school. And then a few years later, when I became District Attorney, I started smoking again but quit after about eight months. Q. Do you know why you started smoking? A. I think because of the stress of law school, studying, and other law student smoking. - Q. Were you aware that there was nicotine in the cigarette smoke that you were ingesting? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO s Ln N m m 0.
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126 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 MR. NEWBOLD: Yes, you do. Q. (By Ms. Nial) The client goes to the lawyer and asks for advice which he knows he wants to use in order to plan to commit a fraud. The lawyer gives him the advice. He uses it in his plan to commit a f raud. The fraud is not successful, i.e. it does not defraud anyone. It is an attempt to defraud. Would the exception to the lawyer/client privilege.-- the Crime Fraud Exception -- apply to that advice given by the lawyer? A. Let me ask one assumption you're asking me to rely upon. And that is after the lawyer gives the advice to the client, the client in fact acts upon that, makes a decision to follow a particular option which might lead to a crime or fraud. The client acts upon it, attempts to implement it, but the scheme fails or 22 11 whatever you wish to call it . In that EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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111 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 the attorney/client privilege and the Crime Fraud Exception? A. Yes. In various summary fashion. Q. Any other discussion of the ethical rules in any of your other publications? A. I believe that this one that you mentioned•a moment ago, "Comparison of Federal and Mississippi Rules" also deals with the privilege -- the attorney/client. But once again, not in any detailed fashion. Q. Are you an ethics expert, Mr. Williams? A. I think that based on my experience, the readings that I have done, the practice as well as the teaching of ethics, yes, I am. Q. Did I misunderstand you? I thought you had not taught an ethics class. ~ ~ A. I have not taught an eth.ics class a~ m specifically. But as I mentioned earlier, ~, ~ m ethics permeates, particularly, the law of cO 22 11 evidence and also, to a' marked extent_, the EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 120 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. restatement, but the Rule 502 (d)(1), the Crime Fraud Exception, is probably a bringing forward of the common law rule. It does specifically require that the action be intentional and knowing on the part of the client, which means the lawyer could be innocent and acting in bona fide. But the client could still violate that. Q. So the lawyer, in order for the crime exception -- Crime Fraud Exception -- to apply, need not know that the client is abusing the lawyer/client relationship? MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the -- I think you just misstated his testimony. Q. (By Ms. Nial) Let's try that again. Must the lawyer know that the client is seeking his advice for the purpose of furthering a crime or a fraud? MR. NEWBOLD: Your question is? Ln ~ m m ~ ~ ~ ~ Q. (By Ms. Nial) Must the lawyer know in order for the -- thank you. In order for the Crime Fraud Exception to apply? rroi EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 113 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. specifically with ethics rather than the permeation concept• that we've previously discussed? A. Were there any that are devoted solely to that topic? Q. Yes. A. .No, there are not. Q. Have you ever given any seminars on legal ethics? A. Let me look again. I don't recall one that dealt specifically with legal ethics. But once Mississippi changed its continuing legal education rules to require certain training in ethics, in the back of my mind, I have a recollection of having participated in one of those and giving a lecture. But I can't identify it by date and place. Q. Have you served on any dealing with the issue of legal A. Specifically referring committees? c_ommittees ethics? to bar EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 . 2 3 4 122 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. Let's back up. "To aid anyone to commit or plan to commit." Does that language, in your opinion, indicate that the crime or fraud has to be successful? MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of the question and the use of the word "successful." Q. Do you understand what I mean by the use of the word "successful"? I think I understand. Let me see if I have the facts you're asking. First of all, there is the employment of a lawyer by a client. Q. A. commit a Q. A. Correct. And the client has the intent to crime or fraud. Correct. And the lawyer provides services which facilitate the commission ot that. Q. Correct. > A. And there is a plan to commit, which doesn't reach fruition; is that - - am EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 129 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. A. They provided me the materials that are on that review list, indicated that position. some of which Q. In your opinion, if a manufacturer is aware of the hazards relating to the use of its product, does it have a duty to disclose the information it has regarding the health effects of its product? MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of the question -- the use of the word "duty." Q. (By Ms. Nial) Do you understand what I mean by "duty"? A. I understand what you're saying. I don't think it has a duty. Q. If asked a direct question, does a manufacturer of a product who is a aware of a hazard associated with the use of its product -- I should back up and say if asked a direct question regarding the hazards that may be'associated with the use of its product, is a manufacturer that knows of the hazards associated with'the use of its EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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134 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 1:. Q. Were you aware that the nicotine had a pharmacological impact on you? A. No. MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of the question. You're asking me to assume that it does have and this is established. Q. (By Ms. Nial) No. I asked if you were aware -- A. But you're asking me to assume that it does have a pharmacological effect. Q. No. I'm asking you were aware that there was a pharmacological effect. A. Well, assuming that there was a pharmacological effect, I wasn't aware of Ln ~ it . °' ~ Q. And as you sit here, you're not aware of any pharmacological effect that cigarette smoking or the nicotine_in ~ ~ ~ ~ cigarette smoke may have on any human being? A. That is correct. Q. And you are not aware of any -.h•$.: EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 137 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. term, just in the last answer or previous answer -- the term "not proven." Do you recall using that term? A. Yes, I do. Q. Have you always used that term in reference to the causal relationship between cigarette,smoking and ill health? A. The answer to that would be no. u, ~ Because I haven't really used that or A ~ expressed any views about it until I began ~ ~ ~ thinking about this. And then I became ~' aware of the fact that this is an open question. It is a controversy. And certain things are not proven. Q. You've only reviewed the internal documents froni tobacco industry -- from the tobacco industry which were attached to a variety of pleadings made by plaintiffs; is that correct? _ A. I've reviewed those that are on the list of materials reviewed. Now whether they were attached, I don't know. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 121 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. quickly. Let's see what it says. The rule says simply, "There'-s no privilege if the services of the lawyer are sought or obtained to enable or aid anyone to commit or plan to commit what the client knew or reasonably should have known to be a crime or fraud." And then there is a comment -- let's see. Well, that isn't the comment that I was looking for. But based on the rule itself and its requirements, if the client had the knowledge -- he knew or reasonable person in his shoes would have known -- that the act to be performed was a crime or fraud, then I think the knowledge or intent of the lawyer would be immaterial Q. Thank you. Let's look at that definition, if you will, of the Crime Fraud Exception that's contained in 502_the Mississippi Rules of Evidence and break it down a bit, if you don't mind. "To aid anyone to commit." Does EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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109 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 A. Well, it's intriguing. But at this point, I do not plan to. MS. NIAL: I wonder, Mr. Newbold, if we should take a break now. It's ten past twelve. MR. NEWBOLD: Fine with me. It's really ten past eleven. MS. NIAL: Oh, I'm sorry. We'll continue. MR. NEWBOLD: I was going to ask for a break, though, at 11:25. MS. NIAL: We can take it now. (Recess taken.) (By Ms. Nial) We were talking about your CV when we left. I don't notice, but perhaps I'm missing it. MR. NEWBOLD: Pardon me. I can't speak for Deirdre Fox, and she represents somebody that I don't represent. :So I'll - Ln ~ m (S) ~ ~ ~ m MS. NIAL: We'll wait for Ms. Fox to return. 2 2 11 (Long pause.) EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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136 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 1 1 5 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Mr. Randles -- I believe you met with them twice together. A. In early March and then again yesterday. Q. So that's three times. Did Mr. Newbold or Mr. Randles discuss with you the not proven concept that you've just discussed relating to cigarette smoking and ill health? A. I don't recall specifically. I think, perhaps, it could have been discussed. It also could be reflected in some of these materials. Q. Have you always believed that the relationship between cigarette smoking and ill health had not been proven? MR. NEWBOLD: Object. I think you misstated his prior testimony. I think he said he didn't know. I Q. (By Ms. Nial) Do youwbelieve -- A. Would you ask the question again? got confused. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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141 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 And he says in the article himself that this is a report. -- "This report is an extension of a companion memorandum which presented my position as briefly and as concisely as possible." And I believe that he's sending it to members of the company's research department. And I'm basing all of that on language within the document itself. A. MR. RANDLES: Just in the interest Okay. And if you'd turn to page 13. of clarity, and I'm not positive of this. I think Rodgman worked for Reynolds, but I'm not positive. MS. NIAL: I'm sorry. I'm not positive either. And there's no information on the document, that I can tell, to indicate whether or not he was with Reynolds or Philip Morris. One of the two big guys. Q. (By Ms. Nial) Down at almost the bottom of the page, there is a statement by EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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142 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 He says, "This raises an interesting question about the former compounds. If a tobacco company plead not guilty or not proven to the charge that cigarette smoke (or one of its constituents) is an etiological factor in the causation of lung cancer or some other disease, can the company justifiably assume the position that publication of data pertaining to cigarette smoke composition or physiological properties should be withheld because such data might affect adversely the company's economic status when the company has already implied in its plead that no such etiologic effect exists." Did I read that correctly? ~ rn A. You did read that correctly. ~ ~ Q. Do you have an answer for ~ Mr. Rodgman? A. Well, first of all, I wo.uld need to know more facts that you're asking me to assume. One would be: Is this simply a 22 II report which doesn't go' beyond the EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO %.0
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143 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 know that. Q. No. I don't know the answer to that question. But how -- if you could illuminate for me, how is that information relevant to giving an answer to whether or not a company in the position of the company Mr. Rodgman has described in this section justify withholding the publication of data pertaining to cigarette smoke composition? MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of the question. A. Because you obviously are going to ask me to assume that such nonpublication was, in fact, acted on. Q. (By Ms. Nial) No. Not for the purpose - - Otherwise, the question has no meaning. Q. First of all, not for the purpose I of the question that I've asked you. I've asked you to tell me what you think the answer'to this question is. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 138 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. internal industry documents? No. I have a document that I'd like to talk to you a little-bit about, which I assume you have not reviewed. (Plaintiff's Exhibit No. 8 was marked for identification. copy is attached.) A (Mr. Newbold reviews document.) MS. NIAL: Counsel, can I ask questions? Or are you still reviewing it? MR. NEWBOLD: Well, I think that you can ask questions subject to the statement that I read at the beginning of the deposition pertaining to privileged or confidential documents. Ln ~ But I will tell you that just by ~ looking at it, because of the multitude of ~ ~ Ln documents, I don't always recogni-ze every one. But to the extent that this may be privileged or confidential, I would ask that it fall under the rubric of EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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97 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 me here. - Q. A witness is a former employee of a defendant. He has no confidentiality agreement. He has no reason to be barred from testifying. But the lawyer brings a collateral action against that witness for the purpose of stopping that witness from testifying against his client. MR. NEWBOLD: I want to object to the form. You keep saying "the lawyer brings an action." Do you mean the lawyer brings an action on behalf of a client? Or do you mean the lawyer is suing -- is filing a first-party lawsuit? Q. Assuming that a lawyer can only file a lawsuit for a client -- and let us have that general assumption. So the lawyer brings a lawsuit on behalf of his client. The lawsuit is collateral. It has no basis. There's no confidentiality agreement. There is L.n ~ absolutely no basis to ~ ~ bring this lawsuit. However, he brings the ~ ,p Ln lawsuit for the purpose of stopping the 'Pb J EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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102 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 that. Q.....He walks into CBS and says, "Here some bad stuff on this witness. How about putting it on television?" That's how he publicizes it. A. I see. Well, my view of that is that the lawyer is performing legitimate lawyer functions. I would think that the publicizing would be unwise. I don't know s 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 that it violates any ethical responsibility of the lawyer. Q. So that is a legitimate legal function in your opinion? A. I think it's an unwise function. But I am not -- I don't believe that it violates any of the standards of Ln ~ professional responsibility. a) ~ Q. Are you aware of any ethical rule ~ ~ L, that might prohibit a lawyer from- ko participating in the presentation of deceptive information to a legislative body? MR. NEWBOLD: Could I hear that ~ . _ .. . . ,_ ~-- EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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Mississippi Tobacco Litigation be t t members, if such a group existed, would t 2 covered by the attorney/client privilege? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q.I'm sony. 'iT~e joint defense t s privilege~. Are you aware of any case law 16 that tndicates that when members of a joint 17 defense group or a common ittterest group i 8 become adverse that the materials are 19 documents that were once covered by the 20 joint defense privilege are no longer 21 privileged as to the members of that joint 22 defense group? 23 A. I am not. I Q. (By Ms. Nial) Is that document 2 covered by the joint defense privilege? 3 A. I would say yes, if the contents 4 implicate the other common defendants. s Q. So you would throw it broadly 6 enough so that if any of the common interest 7 defendants were discussed in a document 8 drafted by Liggett and/or Liggett's lawyers, 9 based only on-Liggett information, never to shared with any of the common interest group ~ t world." 2 "'Ihe client may not, however, 3 later assert the privilegeag ainst each 4 other" -- meaning each otlxr partied -- s"after their interests have become 6 adverse." Did I read that correctly? 7 A. You did read that correctly. 8 Q. Do you think that, grqerahy that 9 is the law in reference to joint defense to privilege? t t A. Well, there is another part of it. 12 And this part that you read is slightly out 13 of context. In the total context, the 14 language relates to information which has 15 been placed in issue by the ~'oint party, 16 which is seeking to waive that. 17 Q.Sure. t 8 A. And in this case, it was placed in 19 issue when Exxon filed a lawsutt. In the 20 context of this case the court finds that 21 by filing this suit, txxon has placed in 22 issue many areas which might otherwise be 23 protected by the attorney/client privilege. Page 164 Page 16 t Q. Would you be surprised to learn I And then this other comes into 2 that there was such a case; and that it 2 play. In that situation, communication is 3 was -- that opinion was issued by a Federal 3 made to the shared attorney, etc. 4 District Court in Mississippi? 4. Q.So where the parties to a jotnt s In amongst the documents we were s defense privilege, if we can use that term 6 given that you have reviewed }'n preparation 6 for the purposes of this question, become 7 for your testimony here today is a oup of 7 adverse as a result of a lawsuit related to 8 documents -- is a group of cases. Fihink a the information contained in the documents 9 you mentioned that you had seen this group 9 that would be subject to the joint defense 10 of cases. 10 privilege~ Deponent reviews document.) t t ( e i That joint defense privilege does _ t 2 A. Yes. I think that's the group. 12 not avail against the parties in that joint 13 Q.And in that group of cases provided p 13 defense group that have now become adverse? the cases 14 at pages PHW02t9S916 is a list of 14 A. Well I need some ex,~lanation ~ t s contained in this package. I s guidance t rom you now. You're asking me to 16 A. Uh-huh. 16 assume -- you said a lawsuit. Now, what am 17 Q.Do you agree that this is such a 17 I to assume there? 18 list? 18 Q.'ntat the lawsuit between the two 19 A. Yes. It seems to be. 19 members of the joint defense group, if such 20 Q. Do you recall viewing these cases? 20 a group exists -- 21 A. Yes. I recall reading those cases 21 A. Zhem would be a lawsuit between 22 back in January and Feb 22 Liggett -- 23 Q. Are you familiar wi case of 23 MR NEWBOt.D: Let her finish. t Exxon versus Crosby, Mississippi Resources 2 Limited? 3 A. May I see that for a minute? 4 Q. Sure. Of course. No problem. s There you go. 6 (Hands document.) 7 A. Okay. 8 MR. NEWBOLD: Take as much tittle as 9 you need to review the case. i o Q. Yeah. I wasn't gotng to suggest t t that you ignore the n~t of the Case, but 12 the discussion that I'm talking about is on 13 page 5. But please review the whole case. 1 4 (De[10nent revlewS document.) 1 S Q. •Mr.~/illiams, I wonder if you noted t6 the section discusstng the common interest 17:, prtvtl?g~e~ ~on page 5? d t i " ' " ' ' ` 0 b3tiy ii .litv u %v *;I i i[ifS . 21 situation, communlCatlon is ma4C to a sttarCa 23 remain privileges against the rest oT the 22 attorney to establish a joint stra CondonseIt` s` De sition of: Parham H. Williams, Jr Page 163 Page 161 Page 165 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO, 324-2333 t Q. (By Ms. Nial) Either between 2 Liggett and someone else that Liggett 3 bro t. But more likely betwoen another 4 mem of the joint defense group against s Liggett. 6 A. AU right. Assuming that the 7 information is placed in issue in such a 8 fashion, then this language s0etns to 9 represent the general rule on that. 10 Q. I wonder if we could tallc a little t t bit about the lawyer/client privilege 12 generally. Not in reference to tobacco ii 11tigaIsn, buewerycEt g~llY e~ t s communication -- not e verything. Is every 16 communication between a la and his 17._client. subiect to the attornev/c~ t- oI ,o nrp= _ 21 busincss advice to the client, is that 22 covered by the attorney/client privilege? 23 A. No, tt is not. Page 163 - Page 16~
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144 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 justifiably assume the position that, "Publication of data pertaining to cigarette smoke composition or physiological properties should be withheld because such data might affect adversely the company's economic status when the company has already implied in its plea that no such etiologic effect exists"? A. Well, in order to answer that question, I need to know a few other facts. First of all, I note that the author qualifies what he has just said in the next sentence. "It is not my intent to suggest that this company accept cigarette smoke-health data at face value." And then he goes on to say this other can be done. And this is, as I view it, simply a report to a superior. And I would need to . know whether or not it was acted upon in order to know whether his question here has 22 11 any meaning or sense to'it. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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151 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 A. It was somewhat ambiguous. And therefore, I think I need to state again what my opinion about that is. That if the process is set up to deal with 'instruments that are legitimately subject to the privilege, then it's a valid process; the lawyer doesn't commit any ethical and transgression. Q. However, if the lawyer sets up the process to create a privilege -- A. For documents that are not otherwise privileged. Q Otherwise privileged -- Right. And he does so knowingly and with the intent to accomplish that end, then my answer that I gave this morning would be in order. And that is that that' process would be improper. Q. Thank you. You mentioned earlier today that you had some grandchildren. Ln ~ m Grandchildren age from 11 months to 11 G ~ years; is that correct? Ln m A. That's correct. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO W
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150 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 Q. Did you go to out to lunch with tobacco lawyers? A. With who? Q. Mr. Newbold? A. No, I did not. Q. Who did you go out to lunch with? A. With Mr. Ferris and Mr. Randles. Q. Did you and the lawyers that you went out to lunch with talk about your testimony at all this morning? A. We talked about one matter that, perhaps, was not as clear as should be in order to state my position on it. Q. And what was that matter? A. It was a matter relating to the setting up of a process. As you asked the question, it was a process for lawyers receiving documents for the purpose of putting a screen or protective shield of I privilege over documents that would not otherwise qualify for the privilege. 22 II Q• What did they'tell you was wrong EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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149 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Q. If you make that assumption that they were not published, does that make a difference as to whether or not the company can "justifiably assume the position that the publication of data pertaining to cigarette smoke composition or physiological properties should be withheld because such data might affect adversely the company's economic status when the company has already implied in its plea that no such etiologic effect exists"? A. Well, what you're asking me, really, is a question of business ethics, an area in which I don't profess any expertise. And I just will have to answer the question I don't know. MR. NEWBOLD: Would this be a good time to take a lunch break? nice MS. NIAL: It would. (Lunch break.) Q. (By Ms. Nial) Mr. Williams, have a lunch? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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130 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 information? MR. NEWBOLD: O.bjection to the form of the question. Asked by whom? Q. (By Ms. Nial) Please answer the question. A. You're asking -- I assume you're asking foz a personal opinion from me -- Q. Yes. A. -- as to that. And again, my answer, I think, would be there is no duty to disclose it. Q. If a manufacturer promises publicly to the public that it will disclose any hazards associated with the use of its products that it discovers through medical research, does it have a duty to disclose that information? MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of the question -- the word "promise_." . Q. (By Ms. Nial) Do you understand what the word "promise" means? A. I understand what it means. And I EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 115 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. in Mississippi? A. Not at this time. I am on what is called inactive status. Q. How about of the Bar in Alabama? A. No. Q. Do you intend to become an active have member of the Bar in California? A. I probably will, but not in the sense that I will be a practitioner. if they have a similar program as Mississippi, which permits one to be an affiliate member or nonpracticing member, I think is the way it's described. Yes, I would like to do that. Q. You don't intend to take the California Bar? Ln N m m ~ ~ ~ ~ N A. There are other things I would need to be doing. Q. Well, I understand that._In connection with your testimony in this case, have you reviewed any ethics opinions that have been issued by the'Bar or the Su.preme EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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157 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 , 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 an agreement not to Q• Target minors in their advertising. A. -- target minors in their advertising. And then assume further that they breach this agreement and publish these advertisements. Q. Correct. A. And your question to me is: Is that wrong in a business ethic sense? Q. Is it wrong in a -- well, we'll go through the list -- in a moral sense? MR. NEWBOLD: Well, I object to the form of the question. I don't think I endorsed him as a priest or a rabbi. A. Well, I'm neither of those. And I simply don't know the answer to that. Q. (By Ms. Nial) In an ethical sense', sir, would that be wrong to breach in your own voluntary code of ethics which you , publicized? A. I don't think I have the knowledge or expertise to answer that. 23 11 Q. So how would one determine whether EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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145 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 information according to that question, to the material that proceeds that question. It says -- that's on the same page, page 13, "Members of this research department have studied in detail cigarette smoke composition." And it gives citations. "Some of the findings have been published." It gives citations. "However, much data remain unpublished because they are concerned with carcinogenic or cocarcinogenic compounds or with patentable material." Then he goes on to ask his question? A. Well, certainly that which deals with patentable material is -- the company there should have a policy of nonpublication; because it would be disclosing internal company secrets, composition of the tobacco, or whatever. . I do not know to what extent all of them are infected with patentable material and thus, subject t _ ^ ® to nonpublication. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 146 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. imply -- and I'll ask you to read along with me -- "Much data remains unpublished because they are concerned with carcinogenic or cocarcinogenic compounds." Then he provides the citations. "Or with patentable material," for which he provides two citations. Now, perhaps it's me, but as I read that section, those citations to carcinogenic and cocarcinogenic compounds seem to be distinguished by.the structure of that sentence from those materials that contain patentable material. Do you disagree with that? MR. NEWBOLD: I object to the form ~ m m of the question. It clearly calls for ~ ~ speculation because you say "it seems to m w imply." By the virtue of the question itself, it calls for speculation. I object to the form. 22 4 MS. NIAL: Whatever. (By Ms. Nial) As you read that 0 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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156 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Would it be morally wrong? And I'm not prepared to say that it would be morally Q wrong. Would it be ethically wrong? MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form of the question. Which code of ethics are we talking about? Q. (By Ms. Nial) Would it be ethically wrong, sir? There you're dealing with, once again, business ethics; and I simply don't know. Q. Assume for me, sir, that the tobacco industry had entered into a voluntary code which forbad the advertising of cigarette or tobacco products to minors. Would that make a difference to your opinion that you do not know whether or not it is unethical to target minors in cn cigarette or tobacco advertising? ~ m ~ A. Well, the assumption is that the ~ Ln ~ tobacco industry, the several companies, W voluntarily enter into, you say, a code or EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 128 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. Q. Do you believe that cigarette smoking is addictive? A. Is addictive? I do not know. Q. Have you read any medical articles dealing with the causal connection, if there is one, between cigarette smoking and cancer? . A. By medical article, you mean one authored by a medical doctor and published? Q. Or a medical researcher. A. No, I have not. When.you were being interviewed, if I can use that term in reference to your meetings tobacco lawyers, did they ask about your personal opinions regarding cigarette smoking and health? you A. I think they probably did. I don't recall which meeting it was. Q. Did they provide you with any information relating to the tobacco industry's position regarding the relationship between cigarette smoking EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO and
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162 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 3 4 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 release that. Q. Is it enough that the contents of the document affect a member of the common interest group? Or did the documents have to be either based on or be documents that were actually shared between members of the common interest group? MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form Compound. A. Well, clearly if they're shared with the common interest parties, I don't think that one of the parties could waive. And your question earlier was based on that assumption, as I understood it. Q. No. No. This was a document that was purely Liggett. Not shared with any joint interest or common interest group members, assuming that such a group exists. Not based on any information obtained from the common interest group members. Based purely on a review of Liggett only information. MR. NEWBOLD: Question, please. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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160 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 20 21 22 A. What I said was that Liggett, the client, it seems to me, could properly waive the privilege as to documents which were internal and affected only its interest, if there are any such documents. But documents which have any external effect as to other common interest parties, I would say no. Q. Is that so even if the document -- let's say document A -- has never been shared with anybody within that common interest group? Has never been discussed with anybody in that common interest group? There is no reason for any member of that common interest group to even know that that document exists? A. Well, I think it also -- one has-to know what the contents of the document is or are before I could answer that question. Q. So let's posit a document. Not a document. But let's posit a hypothetical document wherein Liggett discusses the fact Ln 23 that it is its opinion, based on its own a) m P. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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123 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 That's correct. MR. NEWBOLD: Does not reach fruition? MS. NIAL: Success. There's no action upon it. I think, then, that the Crime Fraud Exception probably is not triggered. Q. (By Ms. Nial) Not that there's no action upon it, but it is not successful. MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form. Let me ask you to restate an entire question. This is becoming more of a nice conversation. But it's not really a question and answer. So I object to the form. Q. (By Ms. Nial) Let us try again. By the word "success," I mean that the crime or fraud actually occurs. When I'm referring Ln to the fact that all that is necessary for o ~ the Crime Fraud Exception to apply is that ~ ~ the client is planning -- he knowingly is m 22 ~~ planning to commit a crime or fraud. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 127 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. in response to whatever advice the lawyer might'have given. And there, where there is action by the client, then I would think the exception is triggered. But if the client does not accept the advice of the lawyer for whatever reason, then I think there is no triggering of the exception. Q. The kind of litigation in which we are involved in this lawsuit is publicly or -- I guess you might -- yeah, publicly known as smoking and health litigation. Are you aware of that sort of off-the-cuff term? A. I'm aware various labels apply to it in the press stories. Q. Do you, yourself, hold any opinions regarding the hazards associated with cigarette smoking? Ln rn . Can you be more specific? What ~ sorts o . Q. Do you believe that cigarette 22 smoking causes cancer? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 132 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS,,JR. fulfill that promise. Would they be violating some duty? MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of the question. A. I do not think they would be violating any duty. Q. Q. A. Q• (By Ms. Nial) Have you ever smoked? Yes. Have you quit? Yes. Why did you quit? A. Well, this was a long time ago; and I didn't have a lot of money; and it got expensive. Q. You weren't concerned about any health effects of cigarette smoking? A. Oh, I suppose I was to a certain extent. Q. What health effects wereyouu . concerned about? Well, I had developed a hacking cough, which I found troublesome. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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131 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. Statement, as it's generally called. Q. Well, first I'd like to ask you generally. A. Well, I would have to know what the term "promise" means in the context in which you're using the question. Q. So you can't answer it? You can't answer my question generally? You need more specifics; is that correct? A. Right. I don't know what the nature of the promise would be and how it is expressed. Q. Have you reviewed the Frank Statement? A. I have. Q. In your opinion, is the Frank Statement a promise to the public to provide information relating to the use of Ln cigarettes? ~ A. No, it is not. ,, ~ Q. Assume, if you will, that the ~ cigarette manufacturers did make such a %a EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO KHM
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168 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Q. (By Ms. Nial) Either between Liggett and someone else that Liggett brought. But more likely between another member of the joint defense gro*up against Liggett. A. All right. Assuming that the information is placed in issue in such a fashion, then this language seems to represent the general rule on that. Q. I wonder if we could talk a little bit about the lawyer/client privilege generally. Not in reference to tobacco litigation, but just generally. Is everything -- every communication -- not everything. Is every communication between a lawyer and his client subject to the attorney/client privilege? A .' N o . Q. If a lawyer is offering purely business advice to the client, is that covered by the attorney/client privilege? A. No, it is not. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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139 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 deposition. MS. NIAL : And you, of course•, - understand that we don't believe that this is privileged or confidential. We don't believe it falls under that rubric. Q. Now that we've said that for the record, Professor Williams, have you seen this document before that's before you -- . No, ma'am. Q• - that's been identified as Exhibit 8? Of course, if you would like to read the entire document before I question you about it, please feel free to do so. But I will tell you that there is only one page, page 13, and a very small section of that page that I want to ask you about. Before answering the question, I would like to read it in its entirety. But u, also I'm concerned about the lege-nd in the o ~ margin which says, "This document and its contents are subject to a court order J lP and ~ 22 11 shall not be used, shown, or distribu.ted EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 1 4 0 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. certainly don't want to do anything that would violate that order. Q. I think Mr. Newbold has taken care of that for you. A. Then, may I have some time to read this? Q. Of course. Please feel free. (Deponent reviews document.) Q. Mr. Williams, have you had an opportunity to review the document? A. I have. And could you help me identify the author, Alan Rodgman? Q. I'll do what I can. Mr. Rodgman was a scientist who worked for one of the tobacco companies. I believe it was Philip Morris, but I could be corrected on that. Ln o) A. He was not a lawyer? ~ ~ Q. He was not a lawyer? ~ ~ A. And to whom was this directed? Q. Apparently, this wad a report that he did on a regular basis. Not to lawyers, I believe. As you can.see, there are r EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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167 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 And then this other comes into play. In that situation, communication is made to the shared attorney, etc. Q. So where the parties to a joint defense privilege, if we can use that term for the purposes of this question, become adverse as a result of a lawsuit related to the information contained in the documents that would be subject to the joint defense privilege. That joint defense privilege does not avail against the parties in that joint defense group that have now become adverse? Well, I need some explanation guidance from you now. You're asking me to assume -- you said a lawsuit. Now, what am I to assume there? Q. That the lawsuit between the two members~of the joint defense group, if such a group,exists -- A. There would be a lawsuit between Liggett - - MR. NEWBOLD: Let her finish. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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147 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 not see a distinction between the material that is concerned with carcinogenic or cocarcinogenic compounds and the material that is patentable? A. It is in the disjunctive, and that does imply that there is a distinction between the two. Now, as to the material dealing with carcinogenic and cocarcinogenic compounds, does Mr. Rodgman not say that much data remains unpublished? A. As of the date of that report, he says that. But -- MR. NEWBOLD: Just answer the question. Q. (By Ms. Nial) So do you still take the position that the question that he asks is asked in a -- although you did not use this term -- a factual vacuum? - . MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of the question. Well, I don't know whether y.ou'd EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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153 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Do you read the New York Times at all? A. Occasionally. Q. Do you read the Wall Street Journal? A. Occasionally. Q. Have you read in recent weeks about the Liggett settlement of 22 Attorneys General cases? A. I have. Q. Did you happen to notice in your reading regarding the Liggett settlement that the Chairman/CEO of Liggett issued a public statement? A. I don't recall that specifically, but it probably was in the article. Q. Are you aware that Mr. Lebow, who is the Chairman and CEO of Liggett, admitted that the tobacco industry was targeting children in their advertising? MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form of the question and the use of the word "admitted." A. I'm not aware of that. I did not EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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154 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 pick that up from reading that. Q. If a Chairman and CEO of a tobacco company stated that the tobacco industry targeted children in their advertising, would that cause you any concern? A. First of all,. this would -- you're' asking me to assume that the advertisements of that company would be focussed on children under the age of -- what? 18? Q. 18. A. In an effort -- you're asking me to assume further that this is an effort to encourage those children to begin smoking? Q. Correct, sir. A. Well, I guess my answer would be I would be unhappy about it, yes. to Well, I might have a certain animus in that direction; but I don't know that they are under any duty not to advertise to that group. Q• Q. Would you think they should be made stop targeting children? Do you know any state in which it EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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152 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 Q. Would you have any problem with the 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 11-year-old smoking? A. I would be very disappointed and unhappy about it, yes. Q. And why would you be disappointed and unhappy? A. Because first of all, this is a little girl. And I would be less than happy if she began smoking for several reasons. One of which would be that I think it's a messy darn habit and one that she ought not take up. And secondly, I would be concerned because of the controversy that exists that perhaps,she might be assuming a health risk. Q. Would you be concerned if you became aware that the tobacco industry was targeting your 11-year-old granddaughter for ~ of tobacco products? the sale A. Well, I'd have to know more about that. What are you asking me to assume? Targeting in what way? Q. Let me try to give you some facts. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 148 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. vacuum or simply as a rhetorical question. I don!t think there is anything that leads to a conclusion that that condition of nonpublication continued after the date of this report, which I think is very significant. Q. (By Ms. Nial) If that condition of nonpublication did continue after the date of this report, would that make a difference as to'whether or not the company could assume the position that Mr. Rodgman is discussing in that section that we just read? MR. NEWBOLD: Are you asking him to make that assumption hypothetical? as part of your MS. NIAL: Yes. A. You're asking me to assume that these reports Q. Were not published. A. . - were not published? 22 Correct. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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172 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 advice. If there are other persons present who are representatives or one of the other, then the privilege would still be in effect. Q• But if they were not - representatives of one or the other, as you describe it, would the privilege still attach? A. Are you asking me to assume that the other persons present have no relationship to the entity whose board is meeting? Q. That's correct. A. They have no relationship? Q. No relationship to the lawyer either? A. They are purely third party guests who are present? Q. Invited guests. And my question to you is based on those facts that we've ju•st gone through, would the minutes be privileged? A. Well, it would Boyle down there to a question of confidentiality. Is it the EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO ~ ~ rn m ~
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155 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 is legal to sell cigarettes to minors under 1 8 ? A. I'm not aware of any. Q. If selling cigarettes•to minors under 18 is illegal, in your opinion, is there something wrong with targeting advertising to that segment of the population? MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form of the question. Wrong in what sense? Q. (By Ms. Nial) Do you understand what I mean by "wrong"? A. Would you ask the question again? Q. If it is illegal to sell tobacco products to minors under the age of 18, would it be wrong for a cigarette company -- tobacco company -- to target that segment-of the population? act? 21 22 23 II act . Q. A. B -- - - - ---- -- - -- __-_ __ _. . _- .._- - -----~-----__.___. _------ __-- "wrong," do you mean a criminal r morally wrong? What do you..mean? Would it be a criminal act? Ln N m m ~ No. It would not be a criminal ~ Ln . ~, N EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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173 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 3 4 6 7 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 intent of the discussions in that'meeting to include these persons within the confidential shield and involve them in some way in the conversations and de-cisions? If so, an argument could be made that the privilege attains. If not, then arguably, you can have a difficult time establishing that. Q. Help me out here. If you have an invited third-party guest at a meeting -- not there to help the lawyer -- not a member of the board -- an invited third party guest. And you want him to be a part of this privileged group, do you have to tell him that he's part of the privileged group in order for the privilege to attach? A. I think there has to be some relationship established either as an advisor or consultant or whatever it might be, which would bring that person un-der the language representative of the party or representative of the lawyer, which the rule requires. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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174 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Q. So if I'm understanding'you correctly, that person would have to know that he was being brought into this group. He couldn't just find out later, that he was brought into that group and then the privilege attach. Do you get my meaning? A. I understand what you're asking, yes. Well, I think in order for a relationship to be established which would make that person a representative or one of the groups present, either the lawyer or the entity, clearly there would have to be some understanding. It would have to be of a knowing presence there in the room. Q. If a client gives a lawyer a piece of information which the client and the lawyer'both intend for the public to see,-is that information between the client and the lawyer privileged? A. It may be. Q.' If a lawyer puts together materials to respond to a legitimate discovery request and shows them to his client, is that Ln m m ~ EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO w
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159 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 alluded to that, yes. Q. Do you think there is anything improper about Liggett waiving its attorney/client privilege and t•urning documents over to the Attorneys General result of a settlement agreement? as a MR. NEWBOLD: I object to the form of the question. A. This would be an independent act by one of'several defendants with common interests. And I believe that whereas that individual company might be able to waive as to internal documents that affected only that company, if there is any external effect as to the other common interest parties, I would say no, it's not proper. Q. So let me understand. Liggett cannot waive its own attorney/client privilege to documents which are only covered by an attorney/client privilege that belongs to Liggett? cn ~ MR. NEWBOLD: Objection. You m ~ misstated his testimony. ~ cn ~ o, EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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163 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (By Ms. Nial) Is that document covered by the joint defense privilege? A. I would say yes, if the contents implicate the other common defendants. Q. So you would throw it broadly enoughso that if any.of the common interest' defendants were discussed in a document drafted by Liggett and/or Liggett's lawyers, based only on Liggett information, never shared with any of the common interest group members, if such a group existed, would be covered by the attorney/client privilege? A. Yes. Q. I'm sorry. The joint defense privilege. Are you aware of any case law that indicates that when members of a joint defense group or a common interest group become adverse that the materials are documents that were once covered by the joint defense privilege are no longer privileged as to the members of that joint defense group? A. I am not. cn ~ m ~P- EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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170 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 the meeting simply to be an observer, would the minutes of the meeting be privileged? A. If the lawyer's present for some legal consultation purpose -- to review, to comment upon, or to otherwise provide advice to the business of the meeting -- whatever it might be -- the board -- then clearly I think he is involved as legal counsel and a privilege would attach. Now, you are assuming or asking me to assume that this lawyer is retained by the organization whose meeting is underway? Q. He's either retained or he's simply invited as a guest. Would it make a difference if he was retained by the organization as to whether or not the minutes would just, as a general rule, be' given to privilege? A. If he's a retained attorney , representing the group and is present, I think a very strong argument could be made that the privilege would protect the minutes. If he is in the status of nothing EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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175 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 material at that stage privileged? A. Let me understand the question. The lawyer is responding to a notice to disclose or produce? Q. Correct. A. And he assembles materials which are requested, and he then shares that with the client? Q. Correct. ~ A. And you asked further, then, what you -- ask me the question now. I've lost the train of it. Q. A lawyer obtains a discovery request. He quite properly, we hope, tries to respond to that discovery request. He collects the materials, and he goes to his client. And he says, "These are the materials I'm going to give in response to this discovery request." The client looks them over. At that point, are those materials privileged? A. If the client and the lawyer share EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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164 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Q. Would you be surprised to learn that there was such a case; and that it was -- that opinion was issued by a Federal District Court in Mississippi? In amongst the documents we were given that you have reviewed in preparation for your testimony here today is a group of documents -- is a group of cases. I think you mentioned that you had seen this group of cases. (Deponent reviews document.) A. Yes. I think that's the group. Q. And in that group of cases provided at pages PHW02195916 is a list of the cases contained in this package. . Uh-huh. Q •' list? Do you agree that this is such a' Yes. It seems to be. Q. Do you recall viewing these cases? A. Yes. I recall reading those cases back in January and February. Q. Are you familiar with the case of EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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161 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 22 internal review that the tobacco•companies should be held liable for cigarette-related diseases? MR. NEWBOLD: When that. thing went off, I lost my train of thought. (To the court reporter) Could you just read it back?. I'm not objecting to it. I just want to hear it. (Court Reporter reads back.) dise8ases. Q. (By Ms. Nial) Would that document be subject to a joint defense privilege, in your opinion? A. This is a document which imputes liability to all of the common defendants; is that correct? Q. It says that it, based on its own review, it believes that cigarette companies should be held liable for cigarette-related A. Well, I would think that where the contents of the documents affect the common defendants or common parties to the action, 23 „ that one party may not properly waive and EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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165 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Exxon versus Crosby, Mississippi'Resources Limited? A. May I see that for a minute? Q. Sure. Of course. No problem. There you go. (Hands document.) A. Okay. MR. NEWBOLD: Take as much time as you need to review the case. Q. Yeah. I wasn't going to suggest that you ignore the rest of the case, but the discussion that I'm talking about is on page 5.'But please review the whole case. (Deponent reviews document.) Q. Mr. Williams, I wonder if you noted the section discussing the common interest privilege on page 5? A. I did. . _. ._ _ -- - ---._-•-- ---------- _._ _._.-----------...-- - ---- --_ _.._.... ..-- - ------ ... _. _ Q. Did you note the section to which I was referring, which reads, "In tha-t situation, communication is made to a shared attorney to establish a joint strategy Ln m m remain privileges against the rest of the 001 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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179 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Q. And what does that term "Special Project" mean to you in the context of tobacco litigation? A. Well, from the readings on that review list, I learned that the Special Projects was a former.funding from CTR. Q. Are you familiar with the circumstances that surrounded publication of the results of Special Project research? A. Would you help me with a more specific question? Q. To your knowledge, were Special Project researchers allowed to publish? A. To my knowledge, they were. Q. And what do you base that knowledge on? From the readings that I've done: Q. And do those readings include any internal industry documents beyond those - Ln ~ M m ~ J Ln w m documents which we have in our box-that have been produced to us? A. No. Not to my knowledge. Are you familiar with a case in New EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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182 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 A. Yes. It starts off that'way. Q. Now, this is an opinion written, is it not, by Judge Boyle? He signed it at the end? A. That's correct. Q. And on page 17, Judge Boyle says moreover, Liggett asserts that any Special Projects research scientist was free to publish its findings and opinions without restrictions. Now, is that consistent with your understanding of Special Projects? A. That's my understanding. Q• And the Judge further says, It would appear that this was encouraged, which is fully consistent with the public relations motivations behind Special Projects. Are you aware of any public relations motivation behind Special Projects? A. I'm aware from reading several of the materials, including this, yes. Q. Now, the next sentence of Judge Boyle says, "This is hardly the type of EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO Ln ~ m m 1P. J Ul W ~
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176 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 ideas about the documents, the nature of them, the content, and so forth, there could be an exchange of information which would be confidential in nature and trigger the privilege. Q. That's two different pieces though, isn't it? The exchange between the lawyer and the client discussing the content of the documents might be privileged? A. Uh-huh. Q. But would the documents themselves that were being shown to the client become privileged as a result of that exchange? A. To answer that I'd have to -- MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form of the question, because I think you're leaving one necessary part out of the hypothetical. That is, if the client has agreed they would be produced or whether or not no such agreement has been made between the client and the lawyer. Q. (By Ms. Nial) Can a client refuse or direct a lawyer not to respond to a EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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166 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 world. if "The client may not, however, later assert the privilege against each other" -- meaning each other partied -- "after their interests have become adverse." Did I read.that correctly? A. You did read that correctly. Q. Do you think that, generally, that is the law in reference to joint defense privile'ge? A. Well, there is another part of it. And this part that you read is slightly out of context. In the total context, the language relates to information which has been placed in issue by the joint party, which is seeking to waive that. Q. Sure. A. And in this case, it was placed in issue when Exxon filed a lawsuit. In the. context of this case, the court finds that by filing this suit, Exxon has placed in issue many areas which might otherwise be protected by the attorney/client privilege. Ln N m m ~ ~ Ln N W EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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158 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 a cigarette company who targeted-minors in its advertising -- strike that. How would we determine whether or not the conduct of cigarette company in targeting its advertising to minors was appropriate or not? MR. NEWBOLD: I'm going to object to the form of the question. Because minors could be under 21. Or minors could be under 18. Which minors are you talking about. Q (By Ms. Nial) The minors that we have been talking about, sir, that were under 18. A. Under 18. The answer is I don't know how you would set up a test for that. Q. Let's talk a little bit more about the Liggett settlement. Are you aware that as a part of the Liggett settlement the Liggett company has agreed to turn over certain categories of documents that are subject to Liggett's attorney/client privilege and waive that privilege? ~ m m ~ J (SI F-' Ul 23 11 A. I believe the news articles I read EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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188 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 the information -- the researcher'- - has no reason to know or understand that his material should be protected from disclosure because it will be subject or is subject to the attorney/client or work product privilege, how can there be an expectation that that material would be kept confidential? A. Well, the privilege itself says that the client has a right to refuse to disclose or to prevent another person from disclosing privileged information. Q. But if one does not know that the Ln document is confidential, one is, in fact, a) m is one not, a third party outside of the '~ ~ Ln group that is dealing with confidential ~ information? MR. NEWBOLD: Objection. Asked and answered. Counsel's arguing with the witness. MS. NIAL: No, I'm not. I'm arguing at all. I'm asking a very clear question. MR. NEWBOLD: Which he's answered EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 135 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. smoking? A. If you're asking am I aware of the controversy; that is, that there are those who say there is such an effect and there are those who say it isn't proven. I'm aware of the controversy. Personally, I do not have the expertise to determine that there is or is not. Q. Do you think there are persons who have that expertise? A. I'm sure. At least I hope there are. m Q. And who might those persons be? A. Well, I think they are research scientists who are trained in the field who can identify carcinogens. And assuming that it can be established to a reasonable scientific certainty, then I would say that they may be qualified to do that. Now, I am not awareperso-nally that that has ever been established. So I guess 22 the best answer is I'm-not aware. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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169 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Q. If a lawyer simply attend's a meeting -- is there for no other purpose than to attend it -- would the minutes of that meeting be automatically attorney/client privilege? covered by an A. I think the l.awyer would have to be -- excuse me. MR. NEWBOLD: I was thinking about that question. Go ahead. A. I think the lawyer would have to be present in the role of counsel giving advice to the body. Q. (By Ms. Nial) If he just sat there - A. As an observer? As an observer. MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form o'f the question. This colloquy going back and forth, I`object to it. Let's have a - complete question, please. A. Would you ask it again, because I got a little off track? Q. No problem. If the lawyer is at EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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190 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 MR. NEWBOLD: I'm not too sure there's a question yet. Q. (By Ms. Nial) Would you explain to me how he can be a member of that group? A. Let me ask what assumption we're starting with. Is this a researcher who has been selected by a Scientific Advisory Board. Q. Well, are Special Project researchers selected by the Scientific Advisory Board? A. Not to my knowledge. They engaged in grants and contracts. Q. Then who are the Special Project researchers selected by? A.' Generally by attorneys. Q• Is the selection by an attorney enough to notify the researcher that the -- work he is doing will be protected by the. attorney/client or work product privilege? MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form. Are we talking about a Special Projects now? Or about your hypothetical? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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185 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 attorney, in order to f il l gaps i'ri 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 scientific knowledge, has a duty to recommend or to arrange for research which would produce a product that might fill that gap and would be useful in framing the case for that lawyer's client. Now, clearly, the lawyer has a duty to do that; and he is operating ethically and properly when he secures research to fill those gaps in knowledge. As to whether the researcher has to be awar,e of the litigation purpose, I don't know that that is a key to the privilege. Ln ~ Now, the researcher is performing m ~ this as -- in a sense, he's providing this ~ ~ ~ information to the attorney to be used for " litigation purposes. The information clearly would be protecte-d by the privilege, because it's generated for that purpose or at least would be covered under the Work Product Doctrine. I don't know that knowledge on the part of the researcher is an important EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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192 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 Q I wonder if we could go'through 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 those issues and talk a little bit about your opinion relating to those issues. Now, the first paragraph of this issues list provided to you by Mr. Newbold tries to place the issues in context. It says, "In the context of continuous product liability litigation and recurring legislative and administrative proceedings, and when these proceedings generate media attention, including comment from adversaries, are product manufacturers entitled to seek advice from lawyers about how to conduct their affairs and how to communicate about those affairs in order to protect their legal or litigation position? Is it a breach of duty for lawyers to provide those services?" Does that paragraph, as provided.by Mr. Newbold, provide the context that you were given by the tobacco industry lawyers for the discussion of the next set of issues? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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200 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 would be a breach of the Code. Q. So a lawyer, in your opinion, can allow a lie to remain before the court without doing anything about it? And that is an ethical choice? A. I think that the middle option that I suggested, disclosure to the other side and the court, is what should be done., Q. Now, if we could move to section 2, always keeping in mind that paragraph 1 is the context in which you were asked these questions. It says, "In the above-referenced context, does it violate any duty for a lawyer to provide the following services"? "A. Advise about, prepare for, and conduct litigation and trials?" Have any problem with that? Ln No. I have no problem with that. ~ m It does not violate any duty. Q• "Advise about, prepare for, and assist with the presentation of client 23 11 positions at legislative and administrative A EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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184 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 MR. NEWBOLD: (To the court reporter) Would you read the question back for me, please? (Court Reporter reads back.) MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form of the question. What do you mean by °protected°? MS. NIAL: Protected from disclosure by the attorney/client privilege. Q. (By Ms. Nial) Do,you understand what I mean by "protected by.disclosure the attorney/client privilege"? f rom A. I think I do, but either read it back one more time or else restate it. Q. I'll try it again. A. All right. Q. In order for a Special Project researcher to research that be doing could be Special Project protected from disclosure by the attorney/client privilege, would that researcher have to know the litigation purpose behind the research? A. Well, first of all, I think the EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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193 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 A. Well, that is the context, yes, in which legal services were sought by the tobacco companies. So, yes. Q. Is it important to your opinion that the legal proceedings generate media attention? A. Well, I think it's important to the client, because the client is entitled to legal advice concerning the best way to handle media attention. This, apparently, is one of the most publicized, continuing litigation efforts in history, I suppose. And lawyers can be helpful in rendering legal advice to a client as to how to present positions to u, the public. ~ Q Is that legal advice or public P, relations advice? Well, the ultimate product is public relations. But the advice which the lawyer gives to the client is legal advice. Q. Is it legal advice because it's being given by a lawyer? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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189 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 twice. MS. NIAL: Q. (By Ms. Nial) Is the researcher outside of the group that is sYiaring the confidential information if he is not brought into the group by some advice or information that the material that he's generating is confidential? MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form. Asked and answered. Well, I'm not sure you got to the Ln ~ m -J question that last time. What is the Ln m question? Q. Let's go back to the -- I'm trying to draw some analogy -- trying to understand how a third party -- I'll give you some background. Trying to understand how a third party who is neither an employee of the lawyer'nor an employee of the client -- is a third party researcher -- can be a member of a group that can protect a privilege 23 11 is not notified of the privilege. i-f h e EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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199 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 include ignoring it, for example:' That would be an option that the lawyer could 2 3 4 5 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 follow. And as a middle ground, I suppose an option would be to inform the court and/or opposing counsel. Q. Now, the option that you described as ignoring it, is taking that option consistent with the lawyer's duty~of candor to the tribunal? A. It is not. Q. Would it be a breach of his ethical duty of candor to the tribunal to take such an option as ignoring the lie? The Code speaks to an event yet to come; that is, the knowing permitting of a client to testify untruthfully. It doesn"t specifically address the situation where the testimony comes as a surprise. So I would -- I think my response ~ m would be that for the lawyer in that ~ situation, if he chose to ignore that,.it would be very unwise. But I'm not sure it EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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195 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 that advice and lies and the lawyer knows that the client lied, is there any action that the client -- that the lawyer must ethically take regarding that lie? A. Well, the lawyer has given the client his or her best advice. And the client then makes a decision and acts, perhaps, independently of that advice. That's -- the lawyer has performed his or her duty. Q. Let's turn from the.public relations context of this legal advice and' look, now, to a legal proceeding in which the lawyer is giving the client advice; and he tells the client not to lie. The client ignores that legal advice and lies at the legal proceeding. Are there different actions that the lawyer must take in reference to that lie? A. I need to know what form the lie takes. Q. The client gets up on the stand and perjures himself in direct contradiction to EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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198 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 give to any lawyer in the circum'stance that I have just described and we've just talked about? A. Well, it might be. But I don't know that the lawyer would be under a duty to take the same action that I suggest that I would do,personally. Q. Are there a range of options open to a lawyer in that circumstance? He's in the courtroom. The client lies. MR. NEWBOLD: Wait. Object to the form. I don't believe that there's a question imbedded in your last statement. MS. NIAL: Yes, there is. I said, "Does the lawyer have a number of options in the circumstance that we've just discussed? The lawyer is in the courtroom. The client lies." Is there a question in there,'Mr. Newbold? Yes. Q. (By Ms. Nial) I wonder if you can answer the question, Mr. Williams. A, Well, the options, I think, would include the one I suggested. But also would EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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196 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 the advice that the lawyer has given him and the lawyer knows that the client has lied. A. Well, the Standards of Professional Responsibility or the Code of Professional Responsibility impose on the lawyer the duty not to knowingly permit a witness or client -- client, I think is the term it uses -- to present false testimony. I am assuming that under -- in the context of your question, the lawyer is surprised by the testimony. Is that a correct assumption? Q. The lawyer assumed that the client would accept his advice and not lie. But Ln ~ the client lies on the stand. What should m kt:- the lawyer do? MR. NEWBOLD: Is part of your assumption that the lawyer is there when - - - - - - - . _ - ---- the, quote, lie is told by the client on the stand? MS. NIAL: Yes. Q. (By Ms. Nial) It is part of my assumption that the lawyer who provided the EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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205 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 lawyer's involvement in that design of a research project information that should be publicly expressed when the results of the research project are published? A. Well, we agree that the lawyer should, in the exercise of his representation of the client, identify these areas -- designate that. Q. You and I don't agree. But I understand that that's your position. A. All right. I see no reason whatsoever for the lawyer to be -- for any attribution to be made to the lawyer. This is the product of the researcher. The researcher is free to develop his research and to prepare his report as he chooses or she chooses. In so long as that freedom exists then, of course, the lawyer Ln is entitled to no attribution. _ ~ ~ Q. You have said, "So long as that ,, cr, freedom exists then the lawyer is not N entitled." I said, "Should the lawyer's EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 208 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. certainly am no expert on that. Q. And on:what do you base your knowledge of how the SAB funding was done? A. From the various readings on the materials on that review list. Q. And the materials that you have read on the review list do not include any internal documents provided to you by the defendants; is that correct? A. No, it did not. Q. Would it make a difference to your opinion if you had such internal documents? A. Well, first of all, I'd have to see the document and read it before I could answer that question. Q. So the provision of such documents could make a difference to your opinion depending on.what they said? A'. Well, I'm not in a posit~on to ~ answer that until I can read and evaluate the document. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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171 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 more than a guest, I think you would have more difficulty making an argument. Q. What if the meeting included, beside the so-called retained attorney of the group, persons who were not members of the group but rather invited guests? MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of the question. It's not a complete question. A. I'm not quite sure I understand what you're asking. Q (By Ms. Nial) Would that make a difference to your opinion as to whether or not the minutes would be privileged if the lawyer,' retained by the organization, was at a meeting at which nonmembers had been invited as guests? A. Well, the basis of the privilege is that the communications are confidential . between lawyer and client or representatives of each. And that, of course, it would be 23 11 sought in the guise or nature of legal Ln ~ m m ~ J Ln N 00 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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207 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 11 Q. Assume a situation in which that .2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 freedom to publish was not granted. A. Well, based on that assumption, I still don't think that..the lawyer's entitled to any attribution on the publication. Q. Do you have any opinion as to whether or not this design of a research project can dictate or at least affect the outcome of that research project? A. I'm not sufficiently knowledgeable about scientific research. I've never prepared a proposal. And I guess my answer would be I don't know. Q. So you're not an ethic -- I'm sorry. Strike that. So you're not an expert in scientific research ethics? A. No, I am not. Ln ~ m m ~ Q. You have no familiarity with ~ Ln scientific research or how the fu.nding of top'- scient'ific research is done? 22 II the A. I know how the funding was done in case of SAB grants -and contracts. But EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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194 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 A. it's legal advice because the lawyer is informing the client of positions and consequences flowing from various kinds of publicity that might ensue. Q Would some of the legal advice that might be provided in reference to this general public relations goal advice regarding admissions against interest? A. Well, I would think in the context of giving legal advice, the lawyer would inform the client of all possibilities. Q Would a lawyer, in giving the legal advice regarding this public relations, be likely to advise a client not to lie? A. I think a lawyer has a duty to inform the client of his best legal advice, of the options available, and of the Ln ~ m consequences attendant upon the client's ~ decision to follow one or more of the Ln cn ~ options. Q. If the lawyer offers the advice to a client not to lie in his public relations 23 11 statement and the client chooses to ignore EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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197 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 advice to the client who is getting on the stand is, in fact, in the courtroom and hears his client lie. What should he do? A. Well, the Code prohibits the knowing presentation of false testimony -- prohibits the lawyer f.rom engaging or permitting a client to knowingly -- that is knowing the lawyer -- to testify falsely. If it is a surprise to the lawyer and it's blurted out before the lawyer has a chance to -- if he is questioning the witness, to stop it. Or in other words -- in any other way to interject himself into the process. Then the lie has been testified to. And I know what I would do. I would talk to the client in a recess, and I would inform the client that he had to clarify that truthfully or our relationship was terminated. Q. That's what you would do? Ln I-- a, m ~ ~ Ln vi ~P- A. That's what I would do, personally. Q. Would that be the advice you would EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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177 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 legitimate discovery request? _ A. I suppose he can. Q. And if he does direct the lawyer not to respond to a legitimate'discovery request, can the lawyer do that? A. At that point, I think the lawyer needs to advise the client as to the nature of this request that is being made -- the nature of the direction from the client -- the consequences flowing from observance or nonobservance of the order. And then the client has to decide whether or not to respond. Q. What if the client says, "I don't care what you're supposed to do. Don't do i t . " Can the lawyer follow that direction? Well, the lawyer -- at that point, the lawyer has a duty, I think, to impress upon the client the probable consequence of that refusal. Ln ~ Q. In your experience, what would be m ~ the possible consequences of not responding I Ln w to a legitimate discovery request? 6P. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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178 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 A. Well, I think for one th'ing, you might trigger the Crime Fraud Exception to the privilege. There, the attorney would be assisting or aiding the client •in perpetrating what I suppose you could call a fraud; although, I'm not sure it meets that - standard. And the client is knowledgeable about what is being done. Q. If a lawyer becomes a business partner with his client, are the communications between the lawyer and client within the context of that business partnership relationship privileged? A. My response would be that where the lawyer's acting in a purely business capacity, no legal service is being rendered, and the discussions are purely about business matters of the company, that the privilege probably would not apply to- those communications. Ln ~ m Q. Are you familiar with the term ~ "Special Project"? Ln - w Ln A. Yes. I am familiar with that. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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206 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 !: different, but I won't quarrel with you on that. I f, in f act , the f reedom to publ i sh is not allowed,:does-.that make a difference to the lawyer's involvement in the design of the research project? MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form of the question unless you specify what type of research project you're talking about. MS. NIAL: I'm talking about the same grant. A. Are you assuming that this is a grant made by the Scientific Advisory Board. Q. Yes. A. Well, first of all, it is my understanding that in all of those grants there was absolute freedom on the part of the researcher to publish and to produce results that were in accord with the researcher's findings and the various tests. So are you asking me to ignore that to assume a situation in which that and EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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203 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 researcher based on whether or not the researcher..exceeds -the.-requirement to change the language in which the results are recommended? MR. NEWBOLD: I object to the form of the question. I object to all this line of questioning unless you specify as to whether this is a CTR, whether it's an SAB or whether it's a Special Project or what Ln type of research we're talking about. ~ m MS. NIAL: You can object all you kP- ~ Ln like. I'm asking the question of the m witness. A. For my assistance in answering the question, am I to assume funded research project? Q. It is a grant. we started this question that this is an SAB The same grant that with. A. And my answer would be t_he same. So long as the researcher is free to accept or reject and is free to publish, then the lawyer's comments, dire-ctions, amount to EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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180 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 York, x believe, called Sackman versus - (Plaintiff's Exhibit No. 9 was marked for identification. A copy is attached.) MR. RANDLES: This is Magistrate Boyle's opinion that was reversed and vacated by Judge Spat, correct? MS. NIAL: I believe that's correct But it's not relevant to what I want to ask the witness about. MR. RANDLES: I just want to be clear that we were talking about the same thing. MS. NIAL: Yeah. I believe it was vacated and remanded because of the intervenors. MR. FERRIS: What did you say? I didn't understand you. MS. NIAL: I said this is the Sackman opinion which was vacated and remanded because of intervenors that came in, and the trial judge wanted to have the Special Master re-review it based on EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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183 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 agreement that one would find, however, where counsel engages in a scientific or medical expert for the purpose of testifying in litigation." Do you agree with Judge Boyle that it's unusual to allow.freedom to publish when counsel is engaging a scientific or medical expert for the purpose of testifying in litigation? Well, I would agree that as the opinion goes on usually, that is, quote, tightly controlled, end quote. Q. And usually, "The materials relied on by the expert and disclosure is customarily made during the last phase of discovery and then under counsel's control"? Q Typically, yes. Would you agree that in order for the researcher to be doing a Special Project that could be protected by the ~ attorney/client privilege that researcher ~ 4~~ would need to know the litigation purpose 23 (1 behind the work he was doing? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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`~'t.-_: ~~.a....n-7: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 201 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. hearings?" A. Again,, my answer is it doesn't -- that's part of the lawyer's function. it does not violate a duty. Q. "Identify, select, recommend, develop, arrange to fund, monitor, prepare comment on writings of, and/or conclude relationships with experts or potential experts?" , A. Again, that's the lawyer's function in preparing to represent the client, be it litigation or regulatory hearing. And he should do those things. And it certainly doesn't violate any duty to do that. Q. Does it violate any ethical duty for a lawyer to require that a researcher who is'obtaining research funds from an alleged independent research funding F~ m m ~ ~ cn (_n Co organization to change the results reported . in his proposed publication? MR. NEWBOLD: Ob-iect to the fnrm nf - - -- - . - - - -- ---- ----•- -- the question. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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186 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 element in that mix. Q. So if the researcher is not advised that his work is for the purposes of litigation and that it is protected by either'the attorney/client or work product privilege from disclosure to persons other than the attorney or his client, you still feel that that material is protected even though he is unaware of the purpose? MR. NEWBOLD: Objection. Asked and answered. A. Well, first of all, I think that the attorney probably ought to inform, just as a matter of insurance, that this material will be subject to a privilege and should not be disclosed. I still don't think that the knowledge on the part of the researcher is essential to the finding of the privilege. Q. Does the attorney or the client rightfully have an expectation of confidentiality if they do not inform.the researcher that this material is Ln ~ m m ~ EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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222 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 discuss with you "The Cigarette Papers" this afternoon. So we'll move on to try to discuss what we did have. I noticed in the box that we received regarding the contained documents that were related to your testimony an order regarding Dr. Homburger? A. My recollection is that Dr. Homburger's name came up when we were or when I-was looking at the excerpts in Chapters 7 and 8 of "The Cigarette Papers I think I'm correct on that. I'm not absolutely certain. Q. We're not going to have time to A. They did not. Q. Did the tobacco industry lawyers provide you with any information verbally form for the Brown & Williamson documents CD-ROM. Do you recall that document? on A. Yes, I do. . Q. Why were you provided with that ~ o-, form? m ~ EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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213 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 26 (b) statement, which I believe we made Exhibit 6 and-ask-you to look at the third paragraph from the top. . And it says, "In particular, Professor Williams, is expected to opine that in the context of continuous product liability.litigation and recurring legislative and administrative proceedings, and when these legal proceedings generate media attention, including comment from adversaries, that product manufacturers, including cigarette manufacturers, are entitled to seek advice from lawyers about how to conduct their affairs and how to communicate about these affairs in order to protect their legal or litigation positions." "And that it is not a breach of any duty for lawyers to provide t-hose services." Is that your opinion? Yes. It is not a breach of duty to provide those services. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 214 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. to testify to when called to the stand in the Moore case? A. Yes, it is. Q'._ And that is an opinion based on only the documents that are listed on the list that we have in our possession at this time? A. That is correct. And also on my experience over time -- some 30 odd years of teaching with emphasis from time to time on legal ethics in certain courses. On other readings of a general background nature. On my familiarity with the Code of Professional Responsibility and with the Rules of Evidence. Q. But none of those readings relating to the Rules of Professional Responsibility, etc. that I believe are discussed in the last paragraph on this Rule 26 (b_) statement I provide you with any factual information regarding the conduct of tobacco industry lawyers; is that correct? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO cn -j ; ~
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191 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 MS. NIAL: We are talking about a Special Projects fund recipient. A. All right. If the lawyer has determined that there is a need for scientific information in order to assist i the development of his client's case and decides that this individual can possibly produce, through research or whatever, product that will enable the lawyer to further the development of the client's case, then the product produced by that individual in response to the lawyer's request should be covered by the privilege. MR. NEWBOLD: Would this be a good time to take a break, counsel? MS. NIAL: I guess so. (Recess taken.) n Q. (By Ms. Nial) Mr. Williams, you may recall that we discussed a while ago, seems like years, Plaintiff's Exhibit 2, which was a list -- which was a transmittal letter and a list of issues. Ln ~ m Y ~ es. A. ~ 00 EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 -2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 212 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. Exception and their motions to compel certain documents. A. Well, I thought that the pleadings were well put together -- well-drafted. I did not feel that they were persuasive in causing me to change my opinion. Q. Have you made a systematic review or a systematic study of the conduct of tobacco industry lawyers over the past 40 years? A. Well, I have reviewed the materials that have been provided to me. And as to a systematic study over a period of 40 years, the answer would be no. But much of that material does contain historical background. Q. Were you offered access to any documents beyond what has been produced here? A. No. Q. Have you asked for any access beyond'what's been produced here? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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187 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 confidential or protected because'of the attorney/client or work product privilege? A. Let me understand the question. You say does the attorney or the client -- 4 ; Or the client have an expectation of confidentiality if.the attorney does not inform the researcher that the material that he is generating is expected to be protected from disclosure either by the attorney/client or the work product privilege? MR. NEWBOLD: Objection. Calls for speculation -- the use of the word "expectation." 4 (By Ms. Nial) Mr. Williams, you understand what the expectation of confidentiality means, do you not? A. Yes, I think I do. But I think still -- I think the client and the attorney do and should treat the material generated as privileged. I think they should expect that the privilege would apply to it. But if the person who is generating EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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218 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 Well, I do think that there are norms -- norms in any area of ethical conduct and standards that we live by, whether.it be.p.rofessional ethics or general ethics. I think there are norms designating what is good, what is bad, what is right, what is wzong. Q. Dr. Sterling's affidavit or declaration of Dr. Sterling. Is there any particular piece of information that you found particularly helpful in forming you your opinion in Dr. Sterling's affidavit? A. As I recall, he commented upon his freedom to publish, his freedom to develop the research without direction, if I am identifying the correct one. Q. Is it possible that Dr. Sterling didn't know that his work was being manipulated? _ MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form the'question. A. I can't answer-that. a~ ---_`I m EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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223 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 documents. I frankly did not act on it, because-I just•didn't -want to sit down and go through a CD full of documents. But beyond that, I don't know. Q. You didn't have any curiosity about what those documents might say? A. Well, I had seen excerpts from them and in the chapters in "The Cigarette Papers." And I frankly did not have time. I was told that they're fairly voluminous, and I did not have time to sit down and go through the CD. So I did not order it. Q. Do you think that before the trial you might have time to review the Brown & Williamson documents? I feel I recall. I may have time to do that. And if it would be useful in developing testimony, then I will likely do that. Q. Would you be likely to purchase , your own CD-ROM? A. Well, I think a CD-ROM is $250, as • -Ye s ~ rn m ~ EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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210 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 developing an opinion that the conduct of tobacco industry lawyers with regard to that research was ethical, wish to have those documents-on which. to base your opinion? A. I think that I had enough material and enough description of the function to enable me•to reach an opinion. Q. When you were reaching your opinion, did you consider the contents of plaintiff's filings as well as defendant's filings? A. I believe I read the third amended complaint in the Florida case. But I did not read the complaint in the Mississippi case. Q. It was provided to you, but let me ask you the question. Did you review, for ~ ~ example, any of the plaintiff's filings ~ J regarding the Crime Fraud Exception in the ~ . ~ Florida case? . Are you referring to the transcript 22 11 of that hearing? ,,. . - " - " ' - EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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221 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 A. Well, as I said before, I have reviewed these materials including those affidavits and have not seen documents outside the materials furnished me. Q. When you reviewed Dr. Gutstein's affidavit and Dr. Furst's affidavit, did you notice that those affidavits were very similar in paragraph 10? A. May I see the two again? Q. Sure. (Handing document) This is Dr. Furst's affidavit. You.can see his signature. (Deponent reviews documents.) A. Well, certainly the simple thrust is similar. Q. Is the language the same? A. The language is somewhat different Furst is, I believe, a little bit longer. They're essentially the same. There's some difference in language. Q. When these affidavit's were shared 22 II with you by tobacco industry lawyers, did EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO J Ln J Co
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216 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 - 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 A. Yes. Thank you. Q. -I-wonder if I could ask you now that you've had an opportunity to refresh your memory. On what, in the Wildes document -- in the Wildes affidavit do you intend to rely on giving your testimony either today or at trial? A. Well, the Wildes document is a useful summary or survey of general ethical principles. And I would certainly want to refresh myself about those and draw upon them in developing an opinion or testimony. Q. When you say that this affidavit is a good refresher on general ethical principles, did you note while reading Dr. Wildes' affidavit that ethics can only be descriptive and not normative? A. I did see that there, yes. Q. Are you familiar with th-at distinction? A. I'm not sure I quite understand what he means. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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217 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 assume for a moment, that it is his position that-secul-ar ethics cannot be normative; that is, they cannot establish a standard of conduct...-They.can only describe ethical dilemmas. Is that your position as to what ethical ethics can do? MR. NEWBOLD: I object. That is not Kevin Wildes' position. MS. NIAL: It certainly is what he testified to. MR. RANDLES: It's not what he testified to. I was there as well. Q. (By Ms. Nial) Is that your view of u, ethics? ~ ~ m A. Well, you're asking me to assume, '~ ~ Ln first of all, that is Dr. Wildes' position,~ Q• Uh-huh. . Regardless of whether it is, you're asking me to assume that? Q. For the purposes and based on the objections coming from the other side of the 22 table. However, assume that that is his EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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202 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 example, SAB funded? Q -(By- Ms. Nial ) For example. And the lawyer is commenting upon the product that is the report of the researcher? Q. Going beyond commenting upon. He's requiring.that changes be made in the report, which is to be published -- changes that would, in fact, make the results of the research that are reported in the published article false. MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of the question. Ln ~ ~ m A. Let me answer it this way. The '~ ~ lawyer can comment and require all he wants ~ to. But if the researcher rejects those comments, ignores those requirements, and is otherwise free to publish, then it doesn't matter what the lawyer said. - Q. What if the lawyer has the"power to fund or not fund the researcher; and he will make to exercise EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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230 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 MR. NEWBOLD: Objection. The documen.t-speaks for itself. Otherwise, it's speculation. Q. (By Ms. Nial) Is that what the document says? MR. NEWBOLD: Is your question is that what the document says? That is what the document says. MS. NIAL: Is that what the document says? I know you say you're slow, but you're not that slow. Q. (By Ms. Nial) That is what the document says? A. Yes. Q I'm going to ask you your opinion. Is this the kind of acceptance of responsibility that would trigger a duty on the part of the tobacco industry to do exactly what it says in this document? "To aid in the final determination of this controversy and to communicate authoritative factual information on the EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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232 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 S 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 my response is that that does not create a duty on the part of -the tobacco companies. Q. What if they made that statement in an effort to -- strike that. What if they made that statement with the hope that the public would rely on that statement and not regulate t,he tobacco industry? MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form of the'question. Calls for speculation. That is speculation and opinion. I guess my answer would be I don't know the answer to that one. Q. (By Ms. Nial) This is a document which was included in Plaintiff's Response to Defendant's Joint Submission regarding CTR and CTR Special Projects. That document was included on the list of the documents that you reviewed. If we could identify this as an exhibit and if you'd like to take a moment to look at it. (Plaintiff's Exhibit No. 12 was marked for identification. A EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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204 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 . ...z,:.CWC Q. We're looking at "D. Suggest areas of scientific -research-that might be useful in supporting client legal or litigation positions." Is that a breach of any duty for a lawyer to provide those services? A. Absolutely not. It's the lawyer's responsibi-lity to evaluate the evidence, to identify any omissions or gaps in scientific knowledge that would be useful in developing his client's case, and then to provide the advice that is contained in item D; that is, suggest areas of research that would be helpful. Q. What's the difference between a legal and a litigation position? A. Well, I suppose the litigation position would relate specifically to an ongoing case or impending case. A legal position would be the client's position. These would be some agency or something of that sort. Q If a lawyer becomes involved. n the EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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181 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 intervenor arguments. MR. FERRIS: Thank you. MR. RANDLES: Actually, the Magistrate -- Boyle is a Federa•1 Magistrate. MS. NIAL: That's true. But the trial judge wanted to.Magistrate to hear -- MR. RANDLES: Exactly. You said Special Master. Q MS. NIAL: Sorry. I apologize. (By Ms. Nial) Not to interrupt your reading, but just to point out the section that I'll want to talk about. And that's on page 17 regarding Special Projects. But please take your time. (Deponent reviews document.) Q. If I could just direct your attention. This is the onl'y question I'll* ask on this document, unless there's a follow-up, of course, to page 17. And would you agree with me in the paragraph that starts at the bottom of page 17 with "moreover" that that paragraph discusses Special Projects? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO Ln ~ ~ m ~ J tIl W 0o
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 . 243 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. concerned, this deposition is over. MS . NI.AL : An.d I want it to be on the record, of course, that this will be continued on a later date based on the late production of documents. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 237 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. reports and other documents regarding scientific research through their legal departments." _ Then,it..says, m Specif ically, Mr. Trotter is expected to testify that the foregoing practice was an attempt to wrongfully create a privilege for various reports and other documents that the industry wished to conceal from plaintiff's counsel and others in order to claim that the reports and other documents were protected against disclosure by the attorney/client privilege or Work Product Doctrine." Did I read that correctly, Mr. Williams? A. Yes. Ln ~ q~ m ~ J ~ ~ PP. Q. Do you disagree with Mr. Trotter's conclusions as expressed in that paragraph? A. Well, based on the materials that I've reviewed and the other materials, the Code and other matters that I have testified EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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226 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 look at this section of the document for me It says, "The responsible chief officers of the nine cigarette and tobacco products.manufacturing companies in America and five organizations of growers of leaf tobacco and tobacco warehouse associations have forme.d the Tobacco Industry Research Committee in the interest of the public as well as of the industry to meet the challenge raised by widely publicized reports in the press, purporting to link tobacco smoking with the cause of lung cancer." Did I read that correctly? A. You did. Q. Is that your understanding of the reason the Tobacco Industry Research Committee was founded? . Yes. My understanding of the reason is based on this document and some of the other readings that I have had occasion to review. Ln ~ m Q. Now, you have reviewed "The Frank ~ EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 ,.. 209 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. MR. NEWBOLD: I'm sure he'll answer any questions that you- might have. It's up to you whether you want to show him confidential and privileged documents. MS. NIAL: Excuse me. This is the CTR. I don't believe they have any confidential privileged documents. But at this point, I don't think your objection is well-taken. But I would like the witness to answer, my question. Q. (By Ms. Nial) If such documents were available to you from the defendants, would you be interested in reviewing them? Documents relating to the funding mechanisms within the CTR, whether they were grant, Ln ~ contract, or Special Projects. m A. Well, I think I understand how those functions operated. If defendants chose to make available documents_which would be helpful in arriving at a conclusion or opinion, I'm Don't show them not going to say, "No. to me. "- EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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242 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 state for the record the book, "The Cigarette.-Papers," has been sitting on the floor behind you since 1:30 this afternoon. And.e in.: the last three hours, you have not once reached for that book, much less used it in your cross-examination. M.S. NIAL: But I will put it on the record that I could hardly be expected to review Chapters 7 and 8 and ask questions at the same time, based on the documents that you have produced. MR. NEWBOLD: And I would also suggest that, I'm sure as it is no great surprise to you, that you could have looked over a copy of that book this morning and over the lunch break. Ln ~ m m ~ ~ Ln ~ MS. NIAL: Actually, Mr. Newbold, it was my understanding that he hadn't reviewed it. And I was going to ask him about it. So be that as it may, you'll receive another notice. And you'll do with it what you will. r...a EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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241 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 inform you that, as we said earlier, and with even more force, we say now we haven't had an opportunity to review Chapters 7 and 8 to formulate questions for Mr. Williams. And we will intend to do that and notify you subsequently of a date on which we intend to continue this deposition. I understand you object to that, but I want to make that clear. MR. NEWBOLD: For the record, I want it to be clear that we told you that we would make Mr. Williams available on the 31st and 1st. You selected not to use the first day of the two days allotted to you. That ybur objection about the late production of documents is in that you had not sent a notice of the deposition to us. c.n ~ m m ~ ~ Ln ~10 00 MS. NIAL: But you do agree that he was going to rely on Chapters 7 and 8 and we . weren't aware of that until this morning? told MR. NEWBOLD: I agree, yes. As I you, I had inadvertently not included EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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225 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 MS. BURLEY: I would be happy to make a copy now, if you'd like. MS. NIAL: Well, let me ask the question. So you might want to -- well, you can identify that as an exhibit right now. (Plaintiff's Exhibit No. 10 was marked for identification. A copy is attached.) A. May I take a moment? Q. Of course. (Deponent reviews document.) Q. Mr. Wildes, excluding the highlights, which I did -- MR. NEWBOLD: This is Mr. Williams. Q. Sorry. Mr. Williams. Excluding the highlighting which I put on this document, have you seen this document before? A. I have. Q. And this was provided to. you by the tobacco industry lawyers? A. Correct. 22 II Q. (Indicating) I- wonder if you EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO could
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a 1 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, 219 JR. difference to you, in your opinion, if his .work was•being manipulated without his knowledge? A. Well, I don't.know what you mean by "manipulated." Q. Oh, directed. Changed. Misused in any way without his knowledge. MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form of the question. It's compound. Q. (By Ms. Nial) If it was changed without his knowledge, would that make a difference to you? A. Are you asking me to assume that his report of his research was changed by some person without the consent of the researcher? Q. That's correct. A. And then was published with those changes without the consent of the researcher? to Q. Yes. Would that make a difference you? .1 Ini.+c~s V Ln F" ~ 1!~ +.r EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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215 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Q Do you have a list there of the documents? A. I do not. Q. Let's try to:share here. Documents 2 through 8 are affidavits or declarations of witnesses that have either testified, have been•listed to testify, or have provided affidavits for the defendants -- the tobacco defendants in either the Butler case, the Moore case, or the Childs case; is that correct? A. Let I see that. Q• I can show you those, if you'd like. I'm sorry. And the Sackman case. Now, as you've reviewed -- A. Excuse me. She was going to show me those documents. Q. Oh, sure. ~' ~ ~ A. Items 2 through 8. - A . ,~ --j (Hands documents.) `n N (Deponent reviews documents.) Q. Have you had an opportunity_to look ;e s e _, ~d 0-4 c'- _ .:. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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220 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 MR. NEWBOLD: Objection. Asked and -- .-.,.. ~ what? Q. As to your opinion as to the conduct of the tobacco industry and its lawyers in relation to CTR research. MR. NEWBOLD: Objection to the form of the question. A. Well, if I were informed of that and I accepted that, then, of course, it would go into the mix of forming the conclusions that I did about CTR research. Q. But you weren't --.sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you. A. All I have to go by is what is in those affidavits. And they clearly indicate that the manipulation, as you phrase it, was not in place. Q. But you've not seen any documents except -- relating to CTR funding except these affidavits and the materials provided to you by the tobacco industry lawyers; is that correct? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 231 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS., JR. MR. NEWBOLD: Object to the form of the question. Definition of "duty." Go ahead, Parham. A. My answer would be no. Q. (By Ms. Nial) Is there any statement or language that you could draft' that would, in fact, place upon the tobacco manufacturers a duty to disclose information regarding the hazards of cigarette smoking? sort? . You mean in a statement of this Q. Yes. In a public statement. A. I don't think that whatever I would draft,would have any significance in creating a duty. Q. So no matter what they said in the public forum, they could place upon themselves no greater duty than already existed? . In the public forum, are you referring to the Frank Statement? Q• EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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81/:9/1997 1e:17 2058702673 C1M8ER.1aND LAW "The History of the English Inns of Court,' The American Inn of Court, April, 1982. 'Evidentiary Problems in DWI Cases," The Louisiana Judges Conference, December, 1984. "The Hearsay Rule: Once and Future Exceptions,' The Maine Judicial Conference, October, 1983. Innovativg Use of Hearsay Exceptions in Personal Injury Cases,' The Mississippi Trial Lawyers Associatlon, October, 1982. 'Pitfalls In Proof of Confessions,' The Kentucky Judges Conference, September, 1980. PAGE 06 7 PHwO1158
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235 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 would have to look at the prospectus or the annual report to determine the answer to that. Q. Do any of your sons or your daughter work for a tobacco company? A. No. Q. H,ave you ever attended a seminar held by any of the tobacco industry defendants regarding the medical issues involved in tobacco litigation? A. I have not. Q. Have you been invited to such a seminar? A. I have not. Q. Have you gone to the law firm of Covington & Burling to discuss tobacco or tobacco litigation? A. I have not. Q. Has Mr. Randles offered you access I to Shook, Hardy & Bacon's 4th floo-r library 21 11 on tobacco litigation? EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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THOM PSON COBURN ~ t ~r.rnys ~ y b cM ~/l~ One Mercantile Center St. Louis, Missouri 63101 • 1693 3 l4•552•6000 FNt 314•552•7000 January 24, 1997 Prof essor Parhatn Wil,l.iams-- ~ '- -Cumbe-rlarid"-Scriool of Law Samford University 800 Lakeshore Drive Birmingham, Alabama 35229 Re: State of Mississippi/Tobacco Litigatipn Dear Parham: Enclosed is a statement of the issues that we discuss with you on January 31, 1997. If you have any questions or comments, please Very truly yours,, THOMPSON COBURN J. William Newbold JWN/dat Enclosure cc: Robert F. McDermott, Jr., Esq. Brooke Ferris, Esq. 1. William Newbold 3 l 4 •552-6088 would like to call me. PHW01149 S96S{0.01 St t"u1, Rcllcvtlle St Chorlemo Housrnn Wa.hin.ee„n D C
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THOMPSON COBURN March 24, 1997 VIA FEDERAL EXPRESS q. _Susan-Nial~ Es _. ---- Ness, Motley, Loadholt, Richardson & Poole 151 Meeting St., Suite 600 Charleston, SC 29401 Re: Cause No. 94-1429; In Re Mike Moore, Attorney General, ex rel., State of Mississippi Dear' Susan: Attorneys at Law St. Louis, Missouri 63101.1693 314•552-6000 FAX 314•552-7000 One Mercantile Center Richard P. Cassetta 314-552-6135 Pursuant to Vineet Bhatia's letter of February 28, 1997 to Ann Ritter of your office, . please find enclosed documents relating to Parham H. Williams, Jr.'s testimony. In addition to these documents, I am enclosing a list of documents (responsive to the above letter) which we understand you already have. If this is incorrect, please call me. Very truly yours, Thompson Coburn B By Richard P. Cassetta RPC/psg Enc. 641001.01 S.~ Ln_:r ?rllrI ^P~, C! G',bnrlts Unvc-n.. wachrnetnn h C
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1 3 4 6 7 8 227 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. A. Yes. Q. I'm sorry. "To Cigarette Smokers, which we'll make Exhibit 11. .(P,la.i.nt.iff',s Exhibit No. 11 was marked for identification. A copy is attached.) Q. If you'd take a minute to review that Frank Statement, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions about these two documents? A. Very good. (Deponent reviews documents.) Now, I wonder if you could point out to me on the Frank Statement where it is disclosed to the public -- and perhaps it's here. I'd like you to show it to me. Where it is disclosed to the public that the Tobacco Industry Research Committee is being established in the inter-est of the industry. r It says in the interest of the Ln ~ m public and in the interest of the industry,'p EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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229 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 information on the subject to the public. Now,.keeping that statement in mind, do you see who has signed, if you will, in type letters, this statement? A. Yes. Q. Pall M. Hahn. Are you familiar with Mr. Hahn? No. I'm not familiar. Q. Do you know that he was a president of one of the major tobacco companies at the time? A. I think that document refers to him as president of the -- Q. Chairman. A. Chairman. Q. Now, the passage that we have just read, which is contained on page 3 of this exhibit, does that passage indicate that there is a responsibility on the part of the management of the tobacco manufacturers and others engaged in the tobacco industry to aid in the final determination of this ~ ~ m rn EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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2 3 4 236 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. about it? A. We will discuss it. Q. When you were reviewing Mr.. Trotter's deposition, did you particular problems with that he gave? have any any of the opinions A. Well, could you be specific and point me to an opinion? Q. Well, I wouldn't know what opinions you might have objected to. Why don't we get out his 26 (b) statement and start from there? Is this 26 (b) statement of Cham Trotter's familiar to you? A. Yes, it is. Q. In the first part of this 26 (b) or expert disclosure statement, it says, "Mr. Trotter is expected to testify concerning the tobacco industry's practice of involving lawyers in scientific meetings and editing scientific reports and other documents. And in selecting scientific EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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Date EXPENSES Item Expense 1 /8/97 Roundtrip auto mileage, Oxford, MS to Memphis, TN 191 miles @ $.30 $ 57.30 1/31/97 Business lunch with Newbold, McDermott and Ferris 25.80 2/5/97 Federal Express to Newbold 22.19 ' 3/7/97 Business lunch with Newbold and Randles 16.85 3/12/97 Business lunch with Newbold and Randles -16.85 Total expenses, ~ 12/16/96-3/17/97 $ 138.99 The above listing of expenses correctly reflects the out-of-pocket expenses incurred by me in preparing as an expert witness for Thompson Cobum during the period 1?J16/96 through 3/17/97. c PHW01225
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.i a'~>~ i "~F 3~ . ~ STATEMENT FOR SERVICES RENDERED To: Honorable J. William Newbold Thompson Coburn One Mercantile Center St. Louis, MO 63101-1693 From: Professor Parham Williams Cumberland School of Law Samford University 800 Lakeshore Drive Birmingham, AL 35229 Date: March 18, 1997 Subject: Services Rendered as Expert Witness in: Mike Moore, Attomey General, ex rel State of Mississippi vs.. American Tobacco Company, et al. No. 94-1429 Chancery Court of Jackson County, Mississippi Date Work Performed Hours 12/16/96 Telephone conference with . .25 hr. @ Honorable Brooke Ferris $300 12/19/96 Telephone conference with Honorable Brooke Ferris .25 hr. 1/6/97 Telephone conference with .25 hr. - Honorable Brooke Ferris 1/6-7/97 Reviewing materials 12.5 hrs Charge $ 75 .75 75 3,750 . PHW01223
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1/8/97 Conference in Memphis with 8.25 hrs. 2,475 /14/97 Honorable J. William Newbold, Honorable Robert McDermott and Honorable Brooke Ferris Reviewing materials .5 hrs. 50 1/21 /97 Reviewing materials 3.0 hrs. 900 1/30/97 Reviewing materials 3.0 hrs. 900 -1 /31 /97 ---Conference-in--Bimningham- with Honorable J. William Newbold, Honorable Robert McDermott, and Honorable Brooke Ferris 4.5 hrs. 1,350 2/6/97 Reviewing materials 3.0 hrs. 900 2/11/97 Reviewing materials 1.5 hrs. 450 3/6/97 Reviewing materials 2.5 hrs. 750 3l7/97 Conference in Birmingham with Honorable J.William Newbold and Honorable Billy R. Randles . 7.5 hrs. 2,250 3/8/97 Reviewing materials 2.0 hrs. 600 3/9/97 Reviewing materials 2.0 hrs. , 600 3/12/97 Conference in Birmingham with Newbold and Randles 5.5 hrs. 1,650 3/17/97 Preparing list of materials reviewed .50 hrs. 150 Total hours and charges: 12/16J96-3/17/97 59.00 hrs. $17,700 , The above correctly states the number of hours devoted to each of the indicated tasks, performed in my preparation as an expert witness for Thomp- son Coburn, during the per:ipd 12/16/96 through 3/17/97. PHW01224
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LIST OF RESPONSIVE DOCUMENTS 1. Plaintiffs' Memorandum in Support of Their Motion to. Compel Documents Listed in Plaintiffs' First Designation of Documents Be "Deem Produced, " in Florida vs. The American Tobacco Company, et al. 2. Brown & Williamson's Memorandum in Opposition to Plaintiffs' Motion to Compel and in Further Support of its Motion to "Set Procedures," in Florida , vs. The American Tobacco Company, et al. Transcript of In Camera Proceeding Held Before Special Master R. William Rutter, Jr. 1/3/97 in Florida v. The American Tobacco Company, et al.
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1 2 3 4 5 7 8 234 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. Now, you've reviewed the Frank Statement once in-the last five or so minutes. Did you find any language in the Frank Statement that indicated that the CTR would be pro-cigarettes? A. No. I don't think it says that. Q. Did you see any language in the Frank Statement that said it would promote cigarettes and protect them from attacks? A. No. MS. NIAL: Give us five minutes. We can see if we can narrow down what we have for today. (Recess taken.) Q. (By Ms. Nial) Based on what we had available to us that you had reviewed for today, we have just a couple of more questions -- some cleanup stuff. Have you ever invested directly or indirectly in a tobacco company? A. I've not invested directly. I do own mutual funds, which-probably have EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 233 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. (Deponent reviews document.) Q. Now, do you recognize this document as one of the documents you've reviewed? A. Yes, I do. Q. Now, on page 2 of the document under Roman Numeral III, The Industry's Position,,the last two paragraphs, "They feel that they should sponsor a public relations campaign, which is positive in nature and is entirely pro-cigarettes. They are confident.that they can supply us with comprehensive and authoritative scientific material which completely refutes the health charges. They are also emphatic in saying that the entire activity is a long-term, continuing program, since they feel that the problem is one of promoting cigarettes and protecting them from these and other attacks . that may be expected in the future. Each of the company presidents attending emphasized the fact that they X EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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01/29/1997 10:17 2058702673 CUMBERLAND LAW PaGE 07 CURRICULUM VITAE - PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. PRESENT POSiTiON: Professor of Law Cc,mbe~tand Sdiooi of-Law ' Samford University ADDRESSES: Mailina: Cumberland School of Law 800 Lakeshore Drive Birmingham, AL 35229 Ieieflhons: (205) 870-2158 (office) (205) 870-7622 (home) FB?S: (205) 870-2673 EDUCATION: Yale Law School Yale University LL.M.,1985 School of Law University of Mississippi LLB.; 1954 University of Mississippi . BA, 1953 EMPLOYMENT HISTORY: 1985-1998 Vice President and Dean Samford University 1971-1985* Dean, School of Law University of Mississippi I PHW01152
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224 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 A. And that might have been a restraint on-my ordering it initially. But I probably would, if I chose to do that. Q. I'm sure Mr. Newbold might pay for that. Document 17. Do you recall this document? M.R. NEWBOLD: Is this an exhibit? MS. NIAL: We can make it an exhibit. MS. NIAL: This is the document that you provided to Mr. Williams, document 17, a statement concerning the origin and purpose of the Tobacco Industry Research Committee and its proposed functions. Q. Do you recall that document, Mr. Williams? MR. NEWBOLD: If we're going to mark this, I would like to note that there's some highlighting on it. And I would suspect that if you use it at trial, you will get a-- you will use a document that's not highlighted. 22 II MS. NIAL: We'll provide a clean EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO Ln ~ m m ~ ~ Ln co ~
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31. Opinion in Haines vs. Liggett Group, Inc. 32. Deposition of Merrell Williams in Brown & Williamson Tobacco Corpora- tion vs. Williams. 33. Report of The Council for Tobacco Research - U.S.A, Inc., 1995. * 34. Order Form for Brown & Williamson Tobacco Documents CD-ROM 35..._ _. Statement of Issues for discussion with Newboid,__ McDermott and Ferris at Conference on January 31, 1997. 36. Defendant's Joint Submission Addressing CTR and CTR Special Projects, submitted in Butler vs. Philip Morris Incorporated, et als. .~ 37. Plaintiff's Response to Defendants' Joint Submission Regarding CTR and CTR Special Projects (Butler). 38. Defendants' Reply to Plaintiff's Response to Defendants' Joint Submission Addressing CTR and CTR Special Projects (Butler). 39. Piaint'rffs Supplemental Response to Defendants' Joint CTR Memoran- dum and Supplement (Butler). 40. List of Cases Cited in Support of Defendants' Joint Submission Address- ing CTR and CTR Special Projects (Butler). 41. Cases Cited In Ptaintrffs Response to Defendants' Joint SubMission Regarding CTR and CTR Special Projects (Butlerj. 42. Plaintiffs' Memorandum in Support of Their Motion to Compel Documents Listed in Plaintiffs' First Designation of Documents Be `Deem Pro- duced," In Florida vs. The American Tobacco Company, at al. 43. Brown & Williamson's Memorandum In Opposition to Plaintiffs' Motion to Compel and In Further Support of its Motion to Set Procedures,' in Florida vs. The American Tobacco Company at al. - . PHW01222
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238 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 forming opinions, I reached the conclusion that what the lawyers were doing, as evidenced through these materials, was legitimate --1awyer••work-. -And that• there was no violation of any ethical standard. Q. When you reviewed Mr. Trotter's deposition, did you note that Mr. Bernick discussed with him several volumes of documents that he reviewed in order to come to his collusions regarding the conduct of the tobacco lawyers? A. I remember a reference to that, but I would need to see the deposition in order to be certain. Q. We'll find that citation in a moment. I presume as those notebooks are not on the list, you have not had an opportunity to review those notebooks that Cham Trotter reviewed? - A. I don't recall independently what it says. I would like to see that before I answer the question. EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 228 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. the frank statement at all? MR.-NEWBOLD: Object to the form of the question. A._ I don't see language to that effect. Q. Now, just to make sure on the record, this isn't the first time you've seen this document. So I'm not surprising you with it. I wonder if you could read this section. I'll read it and then maybe you can comment on it. "In the light of the foregoing agitation and in the absence of authoritative findings, there is a responsibility on the part of the management of the tobacco manufacturers and others engaged in the tobacco industry to aid in the final determination of this controversy. It is the earnest wish of the industry to encourage competent scientific authority to find ultimate facts which will dispel the present confusion and to EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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CUMBERLAND SCHOOL OF 1•AW March 18, 1997 Mr. Michael Riechers Thompson Cobum # 1 Mercantile Center, St. Louis, MO 63101 RE UST OF MATERIAL REVIEWED MIKE MOORE, ATTORNEY GENERAL, ex rel. STATE OF MISSISSIPPI vs. AMERICAN TOBACCO COMPANY, et als. No. 94-1429 CHANCERY COURT OF JACKSON COUNTY, MISSISSIPPI Dear Mr. Riechers: Pursuant to the Instructions of Honorable J. William Newbold, I enclose the List of Materials Reviewed by me in preparation for expert testimony in the above case. Sincerely, ~ ~ ~ Parham Williams Professor of Law PHW01219 800 Lakeshore Drive • Birminghara, Atabarna U.S.A. 35229-7021 •(20S) 870-2781 • Fax (20S) 870-2587
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244 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. C_E R T I F I C A T 8 STATE OF ALABAMA ) COUNTY OF JEFFERSON ) I, Tonya Bynum, Shorthand Reporter of the State of Alabama, do hereby certify there came before me the aforenamed deponent, who was by me duly sworn to testify to the truth concerning the matters in this cause. I further certify that I am neither attorney or counsel for, nor related to or employed by any of the parties to the action in which this deposition is taken; and furthermore, that I am not a relative or employee of any attorney or counsel employed by the parties hereto, or financially interested in the action. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have set my hand arnd seal this 1997. _ 3_ day o f ^ - - - - - - ' Tonya ynumd Notar_yPubl irc , ~ EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 240 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. Q. But no one volumes that says, Trotter reviewed"? has provided to you two "This is what Cham A... I_have not seen anything as being identified as selected reading from the Butler case. Q When you reviewed the Trotter deposition, did you -- after you reviewed it, excuse me, the Trotter deposition, did you discuss it at your meetings? A. In one of the meetings, we did review the deposition -- at least selected parts of it. Q. Do you recall which selected parts were pointed out to you by -- A. My recollection is most of the areas that we looked at were in Volume 2 of the deposition. MR. NEWBOLD: Counsel, my watch now I indicates that we've now been going for six hours of testimony. MS. NIAL: In that case, base.d on __ - -~~~ ~_.. -._ EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 239 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. Volume 1. And I believe it's in the right -- lower-right hand corner. I think that's page 6. here? Q.• bottom of•that small page. A. Page 7 is what I'm reading. Q. Bottom of page 6, I think, all the way up to page 7? (Deponent reviews document.) Q. Do you agree that the deposition says that he has two volumes of documents which he reviewed in preparation for this? A. That's what it says. Q. And you have not seen those documents -- those two volumes? A'. Well, it says, "Selected readings from the Butler case." And then -in the upper right part of the transcript, it says Five, six, seven eight. Is it down I think it's right here and the that there's some 32 documents in those volumeis. Frankly, I'd have to see that in EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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a,/29/1997 10:17 2058702673 CLM~ERLAND LAW aAGE ]3 1969-1971 Associate Dean, School of Law University of Mississippi' 1967-1969 Assistant Dean, School of Law University of Mississippi 1963-1967 Associate Professor of Law University of Mississippi .. _. ~_ _.._.__..._..._ - 1957-1963 . . ... ~--District Attomey,. . Fourth_Circuit Court District State of Mississippi 1956-1957 Law practice, Lexington, Mississippi 1954-1956 Officer, United States Air Force VISITING PROFESSORSHIP: Visiting Professor and holder of Congressman Jamie Whitten Chair of Law and Government, University of Mississippi School of Law Fall Semester, 1996 FELLOWSHIPS: Sterling Fellowship, Yale Law School, 1964-1965 NYU Fellowship for Advanced Study in, Law School Administration, Nev+r York Univenstty, Summer, 1968 PROFESSIONAL PRACTiCE: Admitted to practke before: United States Supreme Court, (1966) Supreme Court of Mississippi (1954) Federel District Court, Southern Distrk;t of Mississippl (1954) United States Court of Military Appeals (1956) LAW TEACHINGI: Subjects Taught: t Evidence, ' Selectid Problems In Evidence, 1963-1997 1974-1977; 1990 2 PHW01153
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LIST OF MATERIALS REVIEWED To: Honorable J. William Newbold From: Parham Williams i Subject: List of materials reviewed in preparing as an expert witness for Thompson Cobum in the following case: -Mike ivloore; Attorney Generah-ex-re/.- State -of-Mississippi- - vs. American Tobacco Company, et al. No. 94-1429 Chancery Court of Jackson County, Mississippi 1. 'A Frank Statement to Cigarette Smokers" 2. Affidavit of R. Kevin Wm. Wildes, S.J. 3. Declaration of Theodor C. Sterling, Ph.D. 4. Affidavit of Arthur Furst 5. Affidavit of Gerhard N. Schrauzer 6. Declaration of Rodger L 6ick, M.D. . 7. Affidavtt of William H. Gutstein e. Affidavit of Henry Rothschild 9. Deposition of William C. Trotter, volume I 10. Deposition of William C. Trotter, voiui~ll 11. Rule 26(b)(4) statement relating to expected testimony of Parham H. . Williams, Jr. 12. Deposition of Aiexander W. Spears, III, pp. 1•268 13. Deposition of alexander W. Spears, III, pp. 269-400 14. Deposition of Dr. James F. Glenn PHW01220
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211 DEPOSITION OF: PARHAM H. WILLIAMS, JR. 2 - 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 se.~~:c a a:es~a 1 several filings made that were listed on your~iist. Let's••pull the list out and make sure. It might have been the Butler case. MR. NEWBOLD,: Do you have a copy of that list? Where are the exhibits? MS. NIAL: Right here in front of me. Q. Plaintiff's memorandum in support to compel documents listed in plaintiff's first designation. And then plaintiff's supplemental in Butler regarding CTR. You reviewed those particular submissions? 36 through -- Oh, I guess, 36 through 42? A. Yes. At one time or another, I did review those. Q. And what impact did those submissions, if any, have on your opinion regarding the conduct of tobacco industry lawyers? - Ln F4 m ~ ~ Ln m Co . To be specific, which documents are you referring to? Q. The filings ma*de by the plaintiffs ~--, _ - ----- _ - -_ -~iir-` ----- - EDMONDSON REPORTING & VIDEO
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5. All documents that constitute or reflect communications the expert had with other witnesses in this case. 6. Invoices, correspondence, and billing records relating to witnesses testimony in any tobacco case. 7. All documents (including internal documents of any defendant, however obtained) reviewed by the witness in connection with his/her testimony in this case. The above deposition will be taken upon oral examination pursuant to the Mississippi Rules of Civil Procedure. You- arc invited to attend and take part as you deem necessary and proper. Resp&-ffully submitted, OJcPLWJL/ KA• ANN K:IMMEL RTTTr-R COUNSEL FOR PLAINTIFF NESS, MOTLEY, LOADHOLT, RICHARDSON & POOLE 1 S 1 Meeting Street, Suite,600 Charlesmn, South Carolina 29401 Telephone: (803) 720-9000 Facsimile: (803) 720-9285 Dated: March 24, 1997 Charleston, South Carolina
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01/2i3/1997 10:17 2058702673 0.MBERLANA LAW NON-ACADEMIC CONSULTATIONS AND SERVICE Prepared and co-moderated (with co-moderator Judge Charles Clark, former Chief Judge of the United States Fifth Circuit Court of. Appeais) the FORUM ON JUDICIAL ELECTION REFORM, hosted by The Mississippi Bar, January 15, 1997. Chair, Alabama Humanities Foundation, 1990-1991. _ . _ ._ _...--Reform---.._..__...__.._.-._ _.on_ .To..rt , 1986-1987. --Chair; AlabamaGovemor`s:Task Fo.rce_ _ Chair, Southeastern Association of American Law Schools, 1986-1987. Chair, Mississippi Supreme Court Advisory Committee on Rules, 1983- 1985. Chair, Mississippi Governor's Blue Ribbon Commission on Corrections, 1980-1981. • Chair, Southeastern Association of American Law Schools, 1979-1980. Commissioner from Misslasippi to the National Conference of Com- missioners on Uniform State Laws, 1971-1985. Member, Drafting Committee to revise the Uniform Rules of Evidence, 1983-1985. Member, American Bar Association Committee on Prosecutortal Stan- - dards, 1983-1984. Chair, Drafting Committee for the Uniform Metric System Procedures Act,' 1975-1979. Member, University Faculty Athletic Committee, 1974-1978. Chair. University Faculty Athletic Committee and Representative to Southeastern Conference and to NCAA, 1978-1982 Member, Mississlppi Committee for the Humanities, 1971-1980. Commissioner, Mississippi Law Enforcement Assistance Commission, 1972-1978. Member, Law School Administration Committee, . Association of Ameri- can Law Schools. 1970-1971. PAGE 03 PHWO1 1 F5
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15. Report and Recommendation of Special Master Joel A. Pisano in Haines V. Liggett et al. 16. Affididavit of John C. Koelti in Munn vs. Philip Morris. 17. Statement Concerning the Origin and Purpose of the Tobacco Industry Research Committee and Its Proposed Functions (1954). 16. Article entitled ~Smoke and Mirrors," The Wall Street Joumal, February 11, 1993. 19. Articie entitied*"Smokirig G uns;"-Th6- Wall StreefJouriial; Ma~ch 28;~" 1996. 20. Article entitled `Tobacco Industry Scientific Advisors: Serving Society or Selling Cigarettes?" American Journal of Public Health, July, 1991. 21. Article entitied'"What Scientists Funded by the Tobacco Industry Believe About the Hazards of Cigarette Smoking,' American Journal of Public Health, July, 1991. 22. Serjes of articles by Glantz, Bames, Bero, Hanauer and Slade, entitled "The Brown and Williamson Documents,' appearing in the Jourrmal of the American Medical Association, July 19, 1995, pp. 219-258. 23. Article entitled 'Plaintiffs in Tobacco Case Demand Data," The Wall StreetJouml,'August 8, 1995. 24. Expert Disclosure Statement relating to the expected testimonyof W. C. • "Cham" Trotter, III 25. Article entitied''Favored Scientists Got Tobacco Firm Funding," Los Angeles Times, May 26, 1994. 26. Article or speech by Honorable Ronald R. Motley entitled 'The Assault on the Tobacco Citadel.' 27. "List of Special Projects Administered by The Council for Tobacco Research - U.S.A., Inc.' consisting of 138 pages. Ln 28. Third Amended Complaint in State of Florida vs The American Tobacco ~ . Company No. 95-1466 AH. et als ~ m , . , ~ ~ 29. Petition for Mandamus in Haines vs. Liggett Group Inc et als ~ , ., .. ~ m 30. Opinion in Cipollone vs. Liggett Group, Inc. et als. PHW01221
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CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE I. Ann Kimmel Ritter, of the law firm of Ness, Motley, Loadholt, Richardson & Poole, P.A., do hereby certify that I have this day forwarded the above and foregoing PLAIN'IgF'S NOTICE OF DEPOSITION of Parham H. Williams, Jr. to the following eounsel of record: _ Liauison Counsol for the pefendxnts: -..._- Joe R. Colingo, Esquire COLINGO, WILLIAMS, HEIDELBERG, STEINBERGER & McELHANEY Post Office Box 1407 711 Delmas Aveaue Pascagoula, MS 39568 Defense Counsel: Craig E. Proctor, Esquire SHOOK1 HARDY & BACON One Ksasaa City Place 1200 Main Street Kansas City, MO 64105-2118 Liaison Counsel for the PI 'ntiffa: Richard F. Serugga, Esquire SCRUOGS, MIL.I,ETTE, LAWSON, BOZEMAN & DENT, P.A. Post Office Drawer 1425 (39568-1425) 734 Delmas Avenue (39567) Pascagoula, MS Dated this ?.~ day of March,1997. 11 ANN li:IIANIEL RITTER 'Counsel for Plaintiff March 24, 1997
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Rule 26 (b) (4) Expert Statement Parham H. Williams, Jr. Professor of Law Cumberland School of Law Sataford University Birmi,ngham,, Alabama--35224.__ (205) 870-2673 Professor Williams is a tenured professor of law at the Ctimberland School of Law, Sataford University. - He was fonaerly the Dean of the' Cumberland School of Law. Prior to that, he was a tenured professor of law and Dean of the University of Mississippi School of Law. Professor Williams obtained a B.A. and LL.B. from the University of Mississippi, and an LL.M from Yale Law School. (See attached curriculum vitae). Professor Williams is expected to testify concerning appropriate and ethical standards of professional conduct for lawyers, including the applicability of the attorney-client privilege and the attorney work product doctrine, to the facts and evidence in this case. In part. •.cular, Professor Williams is expected to opine that in the context of centinuous product liability litigatio: and recurring legislative and administrative proceedings, and when these legal proceedings generate media attention, including cocuaent from adversaries; that product manufacturers, includir.g cigarette manufacturers, zre entitled to seek advice from lawyers about how to conduct their affairs and how to comraunicate about those affairs in order to protect their legal or litigation positions and that it is not a breach of any duty for lawyers to provide those services. In addition, Professor Williams may be asked to cocr.nent on the opinions expresssd by other witnesses, as well as the evidence they rely upon, to the extent that these opinions relate to his areas of expertise. Professor Williams' opinions will be based on his background, education, training and experience as a practicing attorney and as a professor of law, as well as his knowledge of the Mississippi Rule of Civil Procedure, the Mississippi Rules of Evidence and the standards of professional conduct for attorneys. In addition, P,rofessor Williasas' opinions will be based upon the testieao:}y and evidence in this case. te2cee.o7
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a1i28i1997 10:17 2058702673 0.HBERl.AND l.aw PAGE 0a RESEARCH, PUBLICA1lONS AND PRESENTATIONS Author or Co•Author of the following books, monoaraohs and repgrts: Alabarna Evidence Manual, Anderson_.Publishing_C.ompan_y,.Cincinnati, Ohio (scheduled for publication in 1997) No Ordinary Man: The Life and Letters of Krilliams Forfaes Steams, (scheduled, for publication in 1998). Mlssisslppi Evidence, with Dr. Carofyn Ellis Staton. The Harrison Com- pany, Atlanta, Georgia, 1983. The Law of Water Pollution Control, with William Champion and Luther McDougal, Water Resources Research Institute, Staricviiie, Miss- issippi, 1967. Law of Water Resounces of the State of Mississlppi, Water Resources Research Institute, StartcviUe, Misslssippi, 1966. Au hor oLCo-Author of the following artides in Qrofessional ioumals or oublica- tlom `A Comparison of the Federal and Mississippi Rules of Evidence,' Pro- caeedings of the Mlsslsslppl-Lsw Institute on Evidence, Mississippi Law institute,1980 "The University of Mississippi School of Law: 1854-1973; 44 Miss. LJ.. 583'(1973) 'Memorial to Dean J.W. Bunkley, Jr.,' 42 Miss. LJ. 437 (1971) 'The Assigned Counsel System: An Exercise of Servitude?• 42 Miss. L.J. 32 (1971) 'Mississippi Needs a Public Defender System: An Old Problem Revis- ited,* Public Admlh/stration Survey, November, 1969 'The Exdusionary Rules: Strategies for Implementatbn; Proceedings of the Misslssfpp! Law Institute on Evidence, Bobbs•Merrill, 1988
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, R DR RICHA((R~~0 RA ~L SAMFORO I SZTY BIRHINCFIAH~RE 0 AL 35229 DROP OFF 02/04/97 1 N~La~RS~Y PSAt1FARHORAN0"'aI R ao0 LAKES OR D BIRl1INGHAH, AL 35229 DROP OFF 02/05/97 800 AKT HORO 00~ BIRM NG ~ AL 3520j9 0 REQ:62107/97 09s 1/ 2 l/ NA ~~I PAK ?XS EL SiJR. ?~:~FUEL SUR HIL~ E SUR. aa3; OUEST10Pt57 CJALl OUR 'CtlS1OuER ACpOIM{ SEqy1CEi, 000•i?2•11Q. 7AM • OPN (CS'n &AORMY • FRIOAY. TO EltSURE OROPER CItEO(T PLEASE RETIRW ?FE REMtffANCE A0410E I1ST /MDE OF TH$ M/OICt1 WRN 1'OUR PAYWENf. MAML lb: FEOERAL E)?'AESS CORP. P0.001f 1140. IEI0PM5, TU Il101 • 1140. CATIOttS COf4tIS 0 54 AA N~~S/!7 W L OLD R *P OfiICOQgtI S~GAE p ~:N=~C~IZ/~ 962;01 Al OR ROBERT SttITH - 1qZ?WTOHEHENCE aRQN 41142 AA 20.~ 0 0 20.40 22.19 PHW01227
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E PLAIMTFFS EXHIDrr I ~ IN THE CHANCERY COURT OF JACKSON COUNTY, MISSISSIPPI IN RE MIKE MOORE, ATTORNEY GENERAL EX REL, STATE OF MISSISStPPI TOBACCO LITIGATION CAUSE NO. 94-1429 PLAINTIFF'S NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION DUCES TECUM PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that pursuant to the Mississippi Rules of Civil Procedure, Plaintiff will take the stenographic deposition of Parham H. Williams, Jr., Defendants' expert witness, commencing at 9:00 a.m. on Tuesday, April 1, with a second day to be noticed at a later date, at the offices' of Edmondson Reporting, 1030 Financial Center, 303 N. 20th Street, Birtningham, AL 35203 (telephone 20SJ37.4-2397). At least seven working days prior to deposition, Parham H. Williams, Jr. should produce the following documents e'v by that date) to: Susan Nial, Esquire, Ness, Motley, Loadholt, Richardson & Poole, 151 Meeting Street, Suite 600, Charleston, South Carolina 29401: 1. All dxuments witneu received from or sent to counsel for defendant/or defendant in this action, ineluding, but not limited to, any documents reflecting any agreement between them and plaintiffs' cotunsel, and any drafts of expett disclosure statements. 2. All documents prepared by the witness in connection with his/her testiunony, including, but not limited to, correspoaden,ce with counsel. 3. All documents to be relied on by witness•In connection with his/her testimony in this case. Ln ~ a, m ~ ~ a, m N 4. A copy of the ftnal version of any study prepared by the witness for this litigation or otherwise that is not publicly available, or which the witness will rely in whole or part in his testimony in this case.
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SENT 6r:- zEROz 33G4; 3-t9•s8 5•00PU; 1e> 816 836 8966; Documcnt .4 121: redact alJ mateziaJ at RC-G033584 c=pt liacs fuur and five Irom thc bottom; at RC-6033585-rrdact all exrtpt lines two to fourtecn; at RC-6033586 ro'dart sll excrpt the 1r.st riinc lines. Document 4 122: rcdact n1l exc;ept =tcrial cwntuinc.-d uadcr par•agraph labclcd 8 ai RC- 6033393, Ikmumcnt #1Z3: rai= all mataisi, cxccpt 1LLCt four liacs at RC-6033Sy7. 8eceived Time Yer.20. 11:35'~.'t PHW02544
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^.:e ,-.c :.::pr s of ::.is Conn;:n:'s =:esee=ch DEps= t ) ment c= E as + 1`1yP^:xc~n.? Cuali.fied, s o:SjeCtlive, an~~ ao ".... .;.r)=e a bou~ t::ese corrIF.?: p^obie;::; ...'~ =n ler:;,n= ;- (to quo:.(' T,it:.ie (%l+)) as sc:.e::t~: ta not F.:.p1ovEd . J.v a bo0ucco ctu_•er . Concerning qualification of research persons, it is interesting to note the criticism of cigarette smoke inhalation studies (pre- sumably those of Essenberg) by Little in 1957 (55): "These poor beasts are usually put in practically an air tight container, and smoke is.punped in and_p in in such quantities that the white rats become or yellowish brcvrn...." and to relate thi~- criticism to obser•iations made *(51) A7 smoke inhalation studies (50-52) conducted by a TIRC grantee: "Depending on""the time of exposure, the fur of the exposed. a.ice. gradually changed from white to yellow to darkish brown...." This smoke inhalation project was activated on September 1, 1957, over a month after Little's criticism of such techniques. ; If a coordinated chemical, biochemical, and biologic,al pro5 am on the tobacco-health problem were undertaken by of this Company's Research Department, the findings made could not have any more adverse effect on the Tobacco Industry in general or on this Company in particular than those reported ~'0•(56,57) ~. ri~~w. .. •.. L;:,,; by x:: TIRC grantees or associates, Kotin and Falk ( paz~,lysis of cilia with cigarette smoke and .c4gar, `~flice components ), Leuchtenberger (cellular changes produced in the lungs of mice exposed to cigarette smoke), $ock, Moore, and Homburger (tumor. production zith cigarette smoke), Kosak (isolation of carcinogenic W M
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,K y l,~n~c~r :. ..., 3=os.., ~ . •, . 117. T , , I. J.; Ccr-=ic:c, J., nr.: .. 0'Don:.:•._1, Lit~~ C: r.~cor in l•'-n-n: a 5tuci•r of inirox~ontsl Fzctors. i'r'.: -?'G. J. 11 S. KNmcior, 2. ;L. , Fe=-r:,r i, L. , aaC =':z-ti, S., Lur. q Cn nc-.r in tlcni cr: .:~-; =ni~.~~~oloaic,:,1 Stu,~y. L~:'C*:i, (ii), 1347-1349. --- --. ~ 119. :3•mc:er, c. L., ar.^ D., StLliss i•ti*t_ti thc,. C: s'Pous rn3 ?hsn Cr no b9 Cvo S=aiCo. MXCO. 7-373 - - _...---- -._--~--~- ~--_. .-- ~:~;i~; z{ _.,' ancr Yc~iLSira~ V~r ~i44 s` iche •Mzpuvu.na 'v.on i e 21 (1916 V~~ ? o~ " __ ,7169 1 51~ . ~ , ;_. . . .i ( V i 0 tj . ~~ LC -4-1 v.
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Th,. Qaestiom ar Po11s t The presidents indicated that they had thoaght' about the possi- bilit= of a public opinion poll. We agreed that such a poll stight prove to ber necessary, and also indicated that a poll of certain iaportant grocps such as the doctors themsel.es and teachers miaht be desirable, Clearlj', it is necessary to kaowl (a) the arareness of the problen, and (bj tlls exteat to iddch the charSes are b.lie.edt before extensive action f o recarsend.d. pC esent at t1es xeetfe+[: Patsl x. Bahn Presidentt Aaericsn Tobacco CompuCr Josep6 F. CallaantJr, Chsitman and President, Beason & Hedges O. Pariosr MieCawas President, Philip Morris & Co.,Ltd,g Inc. 3,. ltbii•aeT p:tsrson Presidentt U. S. Tobacco Company - - - - P. Larillard Compsny BCC:AO Bert C, Goss PHW01541
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4 -o . . . . . . . • I . ~ ..1 ' CONFiDENTIAM;' : ~ . ~ ~ • • • STATZ:MENT COhCEFN7D1G Tn CRIG3'1 AND The resporsibla chief officers of nine of .`' . . ~, . . the cigarette . and"tobacco% •pr oducts maaufactvring eom- PUR:'OSE OF TFOr TOBA:."VO :."?~lDIIS:r',Y P.F, r'ARC'd ~. Co!,Lsl'"TITUES A2M ITS FP.O?CSW FjJ2TCTI0NS .. .. •:. ._ • .. : s panies in Anrrica, and five .organizat-ioas of growers of leaf tobzcc•o and tobacco warehouse asaociations ~ have for.-5d the Tobacco Industry Research Coamittee in the interest of. the public as wzll as of the in- dustry to meet the challenge raised by widely publ,'.- cized reports in the press, pu:porting to link tobacco smok:Mg with the cause of.luag caacer. .. . To avoid possible confusion*and;misunder- standing concerning the origin; pvrpoae aad function o1' thib Committee, the Conamittee makes the t'ollouring statement. I wents__ JustiSying F.o•.rmatioa_. of .. C.o_ana,tt•e_e_ Ln ~ ~ m ~ . ~ ~ ~ co The formation of, the Comiittte "was proz*ted N a lung cancer. , . • . O by-the appearance of cer tain publications o3aiming an r0 established relationship between cigarette smoking and ~ PLADfTIF+'S F_XMrr :. PHW00616
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01/28/1997 10:17 20S8702673 0.MBERLeaND LAW PAGE 02 Criminal Law; 1963-1970 Criminal Procedure. 1967-1980; 1994-1997 Pleading and Practice, 1963-1971 Chancery Practice, 1963-1971 Selected Problems in Constitutional Law 1988-1991 ACADEMIC CONSULTATIONS: Gonzaga Universitv. Member of American Bar Association Site tn- spection Team'whictt reviewed the accreditation status of the Gonzaga Univer- sity Law School. November, 1995. Stetson UniversMember of Site inspection Team sent by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools to review the accreditation of the Stetson Untversity Law School. February, 1990. Ohio Northem Universitv. Member of American Bar Association Site In- spection Team which reviewed the accreditation of the Ohio Northem University Law School. April, 1986. George Msson University Chair of American Bar Association Site In- spection Team which reviewed the accreditation status of the George Mason University Law School. April, 1981 Unive pf Artcanses. Chair of American Bar Association Sitp inspec- tion Team which reviewed the accreditation status of the University of Arkansas Law ScFiool. April, 1979. Texas,TaM Untversitv. Chair of American Bar Association Site Inspec-- tion Team which reviewed the accreditation status of the Texas Tech University Law School. AprU, 1978. Univarsfty of Montana. Member of American Bar Association Site Inspec-' t;on Team which reviewed the accreditatlon status of the University of Montana Law School. Ocxbber, 1975. - Un' rsi of Okiahoma. Member of American B6tr Association Site in- spection Team whlch reviewed the accreditation status of the University of Ok lahoma Law School. Deoember, 1972 -4 3 PNWOI 154
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SUES 1. In the context of continuous product liability litigation and recurrisig legislative and admiwistrative proceedings, and when these legal proceali,ngs generate media attention, including comment from adversaries, are product manufacturers entitled to'seek advice from lawyers about how to conduct their affairs and how to commun,icata about those affairs in order to protect their legal or litigation positions? Is it a breach of any duty for lawyers to provide those servicas? 2. In the above-rekrenced context, does it violato any duty for a lawyer to provide the following services: ---...._ . Advise.about,..prcpare-for; and coaduct-litigatiou aad tiRals7 b. Advise about, prepare for, and amist with the presentation of client positions at legislative and administrative hearings? c. Ideatify, select, recommend, dcvclop, arrange to fimd, monitor, prepare, eomr ment on writings ot;, and/or conclude relationshi•ps with experts or potential expcrts? d. Suggcst areas of scientific research that might be useful in supporting clieat • legal or litigation positioas. e. Advise about, review,.and comment on public communications of elieats and organizations related'to them, and state clieat positions? L •Advise•abvui the effect of clieat research or product changes on client legal or litigation positions? g. Advise about or participate in discussions about how elieat relared'activities a,nd/or joint industry entities might cb.ange to better protect client legal or litigation positions? h. Develop, iave3tigate, and maraW facts and argumeats to support clieat Iegdl or litigation positions? i. Advise about and/or invoke evidential privileges and protections? j. Participate in and advise about joint meetimgs and activities of entities vvith - common or ielated interests? 3. In the context of elicnt product maaufaeturers facing oontinunus product liability litigation and recurring legislative and adminisCrative ptocoodings, does a lawyer's du.ty,'under the Code of Professional Rasponsibility and/or the Rules of Professional Conduct, zealously to represcnt clients include the savices listed in the previous paragraph? Given the referenced context, are these services legal services? PHW01150
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:. u Plan of Action advertisement appearing in 448 newspapers circulated throughout the VYilted States-or Monday, Januasy 4,. The'Ccamittee azinounced in a i'ull pag-A ` / 1954 that it would meet thd•challenge of these re- . ports. The sigbing m.:mbers of the Tobacco Industry Research Committee pledged to support by ti~aa,ncial aid, in addition to that already contributed by in- dividugl companies, research under the charge and direation of a saientist of unimpeaahable integrit7 and national repute. To guide and advise in thls• . . CONFtDEt1TIAL •.; tield, aaientista disinterested Sn the cigarette -industry'znd of recognized ability and professional standing in medicine, education and assooiated aci- ences xS11 be invited to,act as an advisory board.. Thia statement was subscribed to by the rolloxing companies, vhich now mke up the Co=aittee: _.. _ .~._ T.e. _A=.r1c.,an__Tobacco-Gcmapany; mQ: By Paul M. Hahn, President - Benson ~e Hedges By Joseph F. Cu,Llmar, Jr., preaident Bright Belt Warehouse Association By F. S. Royster, President PNW00619
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CONF1pEWM At these naeetinga the conalusion was reached that the tobacco industry muallp take public ,, . . .. . action to meet.these widely publicized alaiae. The . . Committee xaa lormsd_and ths tirsa of Hill & Knowlton, ~ Inc. or 350 Firth•-Aveaue,'.New York, New York, wae • . .. •. engaged to assist the Con:mIttee Sa effectuating Sts purpoae. . The officers of the Committee selected were Paul M. Hahn, Chaairman, J. Hhitney Petersorr, vice . ChaSrnan,•Joseph F. Cullman,Jr., Treasurer, and• Wilson T. Hoyt of Hill & Rnowlton, Inc., Secretary. It was the expressed intention of the Coamittee'to S • • :" have the chAi *~+ahip of the. Com<aittee rotated every three months. It was agreed that expenaes for the .. Committee 'a activitiea, including e~cpenditut~ea tor reaearch, the advertiaing, the employment of Hill & 20aorrlton and other aimilar expenses, would be deSrayed by donations from the member tirmn based on their vol- tmne of business and by oontributi.o_pa_ ~a -be-~tgreed-uFoa--. --- - by other membera. Arrangementa were then pertected for insertion of the advertisement referred to in the ~ O Ln newspapers throughout the country. . • . .. W, ~ PHW00622
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GissES Ga.Av-$s MvL.r.ixs FEa3gis HORTrsAx & Hw.$z.ow PLLC ArrosxaYs Ar LAw 464 wEST OAK STREET LAUBEI., MISSISsIPPI 39440 WILLIAN S. MULLINi. 111 C. •ROOKC rCRR13. 111 NORNIkM GCNC NORTMAM. JR. CUGCNE M. NARLOW OAVID L. MARTINOALL' R,cNARO 0. SURSON PO•.MCY 01. CNTRCKIM_ DC100A D. JONE3 LINNU K. MALL' 6RCTT W. ROGINsOM PMILLI- L. MORWCOO "'- - -- *ALfO •OI+ITTCO IN TCXA{ "ALfO •OMtTfCO IN LOU111AMA ~ALSO A0f.1TT(O IN ul1rOAM1A Dean Parham Williams 110 Glen Eagle Road Oxford, MS 38655 January 3, 1997 (vu ArxBOwNE EXP"ss} •+~141NG AODR[36: PCsT ornCt ORAWER 1409 LAURCL. Mlsslssl'RI 394+1•w09 TCL (6011,6A9•6611 rA: (601) 449•606z Re: MnaE MooRF, ATrotuNEY GENERAL F.x REL STATE OF MISSLS5IP'PT YS. TEE AMEwCAN TomCOO CowArrY, ET At.; Chancery Court, Jackson County, Mississippi ' • Dear Dean Williams: I am forward.ing herewith copies of papers filed in the case styled, Esuate ojBurl Butler vs. Philip Morri4 inc., et al. This is a'secbndhand smoke' case filed in Jones County, and the CTR and CTR Special Projects issues are the same as in the Moore case. The documents enclosed for your review prior to our meeting on January 8 in Memphis are as follows: 1. Defendants' Joint Submission Addressing CTR and CTR Special Projects; - 2. Piaintii!'s Response to Defeodants' Joint CTR•G'TR Special Projects Filing; 3. Defendants' Repiyto Plsintitt's Respoase to Defendants' Joint Submission Addressing CTR and CTR Special Projects; 4. Piaintift's Snppkmental Response to Defendants' Joint CTR Memorandum and Supplement; and Depositioq•ohk C. "C6am" Trotter taken by defendants in the Moore case.. . `'- ' ~ • . . Thank you very much for your assistance in this matter. If you have any questions, please let me know. Brooke Ferris pmh Enclosures PLAINTTFTS EXHMrT PHW01262
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.:;:;.':.,-. r..",an Roccaan :_v_s_:,n : C}:emicai Research i:c tebooIr: pages : ncne 100-2 , i: o. ::o. of pazc::. . . Previous Reports: 19:'-4 , ATo. 31 ??X:, 1955, I:o. 13 i?DR, 1956, rlo. 10 =?=%R ~ 1959, 1'.o . 1 :!J:•: , 1Y o2 , I`: o . _.- ' M . .~....,.:. ,~, i ~ _ . ..._ . A7_J :A.~JT'.-I ':'C,iJ.: i•'. ~ ~~ CRI'I C-A.L A1M 03J~C~1V::'1V:: ALPPM4I S:.L 0~ rn; mhe ci:- arette saore-he.alt5~roblem :.is_discusse3- in-i:~•1taa 1-: ' , . _ _._,.-. _ __....__._...._ _ ..- a^d it is related to the potential iwolveaent of the aeTbers cy::J~.~so~ f:."e Cor.pan:-'s Resea_ ch Department. Arbuments' and conclUSions by '~u'" . ~~,.. R ~b ~, ~ '~ Teasn~ d t:ose cl..i-i.: ~f arette s^~o::e as a..eslth h~idr8 ~_ ? as oZ ~r... cou::ter-arguTer.ts and conclusians by those not in~ accorc kith >;' r4 W sucy views. T.".e ,v~i ht of the ar-~.r•er.ts anc counter~art+ •-1:ments ,. . , g 4 ' •' : -j` is :isc'JSs?d _A some detaii. :.a a t ~e ~pt has been made i.c preser< t Q;~° t::e a=rume:.Ls and conclusioZ=z a:S objectively as possible. Based i~ on t::e^t::g:-er.ts and ccnclusio.^.c., several =ecc-.•er.datiasu=i+a_e =ace. 'o =.~ . repcr;, is an e:c=e:.s:orn of a coapanion re-orar.dur, ~x (77) -a::ich preser.ted rry posizion as .t_ie:13• and as concisely as ww possi~~le. =":e two me~:.o=az:d3 ::ave ider.tical schematic orEznizat_ons. i.~ 0m As Wenticn,-d before (7i ), if requested, a thorough, fully docL mente&E .•~ expos_ ~ic•n of the ideas wi=1 be prepared. AlthoLgz the taAAar part of the sales of this Company consists~,z x ~.>~ a . of cigarettes, what the Company sells is ciaarette smoke. To mairi:ta3.=~x• our first-j lace position against any eventuality, we should be =~rs.o~ ,. : ~w;* in accu:siticn of information concerning the coaposi tion and c . effects o f cigare tte smoke. '; : ~~ .:: .... : ;et DurirL the e past two decades, cigarette smoke has bben t:.e tar•-... of a host of studies relating it to ill-health and particularly to lun, cancer. The majority of these :: tudies incriminate ci; '^ette s::c::e : ro = -,, -health viewpoint. PLAINTIFf'S FXtiiBIT ~ 14333 N ~ m J ~ ~ l0 ~ n r ~ N , fJ ~ N W
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q1 ~ It is recommended that data already available on physiological), active cigarette'smoke components, e.g., poiycyclic hydrocarbons, phenols, be published. It is also recommended that anr'_ytical s comPonents be,Published. procedures concernig n such._ : . ~.~_-~.--- ---~ __---• , . ~These rec. .:tions are made because I believe they repre=,?;? °. sent -the best ansser to the questions: k'hat effect would immed,= w . .._ i •.f~ . -..... status? __k'hat/.ef.fe_ct__.on_th..i_s._Company.- . of not publishing these :~Y :`ate publication-of these data have on this Companyts economic woUld be the A:O:~,.' data now,' but being, required 'at some, future. date• to disclose • ~: _- such data,'possibly in the unfavorable atmosphere of a ; ..,. . It •is recommended that the CompanyIs supervisory ~ •, s ~ ~ ..~:ac ..* lawsuit? _, ::~,:'~ t- personnel•?;~; be provided with:;reports like the Royal College,of.Physicians'. :...,..._. . . . report Sc,okirie jind Health, the Annual• Revort of the 'Scient{ fi c Director ( TIRC ):,"and other pertinent review articles 'just as they were ~ ... . .::f-:~:.`. )=-«o. ?Q f-::°: ui a. ~ :.w~tmsn.. 'O< . provided with Northrup's book Science Looks at Smoyir.j~j.^~ ~ the pamplets Tobacco and Health, and "favorable" articles such as the one from Life__entitled New Evidence That Cancer hSav Be Infectious. In this way, the Company's supervisory personnel :~-- ~z o u, w . .zZ3 om :-U = will be better informed about the cigarette smoke-health Froblem.`~;:~~ ' than they would be if their main.information sources were the ~~ V aX ... vi,u !daily newspaper. Reader's Digest, etc. ~' And finally, it is recommended that the Company's manage- ; ~=.N . : ment recognize that many members of its Research Department are intensely concerned about t.~e cigarette smoke-health problem; and. _Uj eager to participate in i:,;; study and solution. . ~ ~ ./ L ~ :v~~:,--~ V
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l!N!•IE1) STATES DIS7'RIC'Y C':C71lRT KA.ti I•h:KN UlSTRICT pr- NF W YOKx -..-._...~.__.....__.._..____-X JANE'T SAt:f: MAN, rt al.. rlaintiff~, MEMf )kA NDt TM Oh1N1C)N ~ AND oR.nr_K -- TiLL•' LIWr rr CiRAtJP. INC.. TSr&a,Iancs. X 1"his is a divcrzity actic+n. ''rhe ptxiatilY's,,lzact and Joseph S.ckm.la (hereiiiitter rxll*d tlx: `Sackauns"). aret citirans of Nra Yor1c. The daaclxlaat tabzcu~ compsay, '!be t.iggett ,, Crc)up, IiK:. (bctcirtafter ca1kd 'igttt) is a 1)elavr,trc corporation. Th. Sachman.s are suing I.igcert for d:urisYes smft;ng frnm thC c=ccr plaitttiffJanel Sackmatl svfferer3L u11c,-cdly cau•crd by her use or l.'sgscu's psoduct, Che%tcrticld cigatrcttcs. Currently bt;!'orc this wtut is thc dctcn,ainarinn of thi appiicabiiity o)'srvcral priv'tlegcti . ar=tod by I.irgru with tugyd to documents tRlatcd to tcienu(ic resexrch projertx inw racdical i.w-,wv; rclating to tota= u.~c+e wnductcd by the C.uuneil on Tobxcn Kem=L, Speeiat i'rnjccw. Liggca has su}+miued 123 ducwments for jujam m iew by the court to which it Wtiims the stiorncy-clicni uincU&ir worl;•product priviiu-Sa "lbe couit ha.% rcvicwed the clocumcttts. Vir purticac lavc submlttctd acurpqttist,,; documenLx und briil'a on the law. Th: coun heard otai • ' LtIpJtlCnt atl JaJill3J'6 2?, j9W~ - 1 ItctlYtC T1II2 )Vli.2~. :%1 pI,A1NI~FS ~rr PHW02520
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21/28/1997 10:17 2059792673 CLMBERLAND LAW `Offshore Boundaries,' Proceedings of the Water Resources Research Conference, 1966 PAGE 05 'The Criminal Versus Society: Some Observations on the Accommoda- tion of Mississippi Criminai Procedure to the Evolving Concepts of Due Process," Part iil, 38 Miss. LJ. 254 (1967) "The Criminal Versus Society. Some Observations on the Accommoda- tion-of-Mississippi-Criminal-Procedure-to-the EvoivingConcepts-of - - Due Process," Part Ii, 38 Miss. LJ. 57 (1966) "The Criminal Versus Society. Some Observations on the Accommoda- tion of Mississippi Criminal Procedure to the Evolving Concepts of Due Process,' Part I, 37 Miss. LJ. 353 (1966) "Federal Habeas Corpus and the State Courts," 36 Miss. LJ. 520 (1965) "Administration of the Estate; Proceedings of the Mississippi Law Institute on Probate Law and Practice, Bobbs-Merrill, 1963 Author o,flnore t,han onQ hundred unoublishgd lectures and oresentations b$fore nationai.'rgflional or state-level meetings. Examnles of such orese a- iions include: 'lamar. A tlfe of Triumph,' The Lamar Order, February 15, 1996. 11 ."The Hearsay Rule: A Comparative Approach; MlssissippiRennessee Defense Lawyers Assocdation, April, 1995. "Literature and l.aw: A Marriage Too Lohg Unconsummated,' The Carruthers Group, April, 1991. 'Measure for Measure: The Law Through the Eyes of the 8ard ; Theater in the Mind, The Alabama Shakespeare Festival, February, i990. "The.Hands of the Law.- Moral and l.egal; The Medicat-Dentai Fellow- ship, November, 1988. 'Burdens of Proof In Alabama Civil Practice; The Alabama Trial Judges Ln ~ Conference, April; 1986. ~ m ~ 'Opinion Evidence In Alabama,' The Alabama Defense Lawyers lnsti- tut®. October, 1985. o N 8 PHW01 157
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-7- a_-benzo[2 1 cycioner.t~=J.-_ a::c: benzN acep::cr.r•l :he rete=ocyclic r.itro;;en ca:,no;;:-:ds are 7t-aibeazoCc, :,~zol~ ~ ckbenz:,ti3acridine, and Ci::enz "7,,_'~ .cridine. J C-6arette s,:oke also cont4_ns various pror:otir.S, %or cecsrcir;o- -e::ic) an-ents like the pheno?s rd n: the fatty acids. ~ ~ :. O :. . _.eze findings, at first i...pugned, are now accepted but`..:..z dismisce^ as unimporta nt because none of the compound: h:.s b:e::n~ : jaman lun;; tiss s.'-Iowr: to he carcinogenic or cocarcinoEenic to h , Y : it is i,:nlikely t::at such e::~cri~:e nts will ever be CarrieA Gv;t. . . ~,, ., ; }~ - . . ;:~ __._ -G ._..._....._. _._...._ ...._._......_ _.._...~...__. ~: p • v Fn(;e tp Jte Cbviouslv the amount olf ev_d::r.aE accum;:lated to O: c_Z-;ratte smoke as a haalth hazard is overti::e'_~i^b. ^::e ev_U ~. k+-u~:. - cr.alle::eins : s#ch an • incictment is scznt.•:o~~ever, the eti•=;:e:i=x 0Z i_o:., enider,ioloCica'_, ca_, _ a-zho1 o;icai, bio? o~ica:, and c:.e =_c:.i'. : . ., ;, ., ,.. stt,:dies si:pportinS. the pr o: osit=on • t: a c:un- cancer iz- c4u:,od':b* 0 , or associated with cica: Ette is pL_ al_elea :.y s_:a3 a_ ::•} ~> : ' :'..J . j: O evide:.ce su-)portir.g the : ropositio:. t::at lur.a cancer _s ca::~$d ,.i..... u, a. by or associated w:th air aollutants. =r. soce instances, t::a~ my o ~Q evidence seer.s to be strc:.,e= in su-~•:J=;- of c:~a=e;,te s:.,c~.e ~. ~'~_ z w~ as af:: ausative or associated factor; in o::'er insta nces, t^e o Q ~ x evic.E-nce :-seens.. to be st.ron,r,e: in su_:.port Gf- ai r po;=utants asu)w a\c-:::sati-:e or associated iactor. w° f.- ~- criticis.. _evelled at the aun:7- cancer-ci-.:rztte ::-oi:e c ~ e, e. , stati stiea l studies ba.^.not u_ c; e - . N e: 3 ~ t _' "_ ~ t : o.•s:;=:) :et':!eP S: th'!~ iaCtors (a CrYt =Ci34 oi c ° }^ p o epi-3c..ic_ogy,` ; r:.ice are not mpn (a 'criticisw of the biolo!rizal -z ev_ 3e:.ce ); _.:,etarlasi a an:i hynern-lasia do not becone c.ncer: Us-F~ ,. Z ( Jrriticism of the patbological evidence ); and no MN. P:Cist= to show V:at any _cignrette smoY.e C0 c-rci::oner.ic to hu^an ?ur.r ti ssue at the ? evel y ci -3rette s:~o~;e (a criticism oi the chemi cal ev_dar.ce ),; s '<• ~~' ~ =w t-M ee;:aly y appli cable to the lung cancer-air pollut, r.t propcs_tior.. ' Ln ~ a) ~ ~ N W
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_i. -t:e c,ct_o.n of ca=c4.^.c,3„ns, £:iS. :' ? "I do not belittle t!:e i=:.or JGT ; na_ t which smckin- rcr not:. 7IT .:'he : oba.cco '^;:u strv's Con`_rib~.a ioM The Tobacco TI1%duSto_-(exce: t.for• '&--. Ti~~Ctt and iCbacco Co=:~an: ):as 'civ.en a':cut five mi? _ior. cos lars to =I:;^ si :ce 1c34 .~:.. (~- lor reseGrch. •Accordi.^._r to •.r;ttle, its Sc_ent_=ic Directar,. t:e : urpose o: '"3.RC is a _ r ~ ci~4rEtte sr o th C stu ~~. ... of air pollutr-~t: ;:;,u' d :.e i.:,nai: ed a: d r.e,r,lected. '^~:e 4va_i able evidencc r4 ther ::C:_ir.itely assi,--:zs to ese factors arn i-rortant role as respira tcr;; carciaoter.s. " ~ .i:..a. FAsse'J (63), :: ho does T.ot ~C~iEve ti:at IL.^.~ cancer results ~- aa::_:ero;: s to swo::e. " -citatio:.-s could be pla;; s[in lunZ; cancer caL ,atio:] .:.:y ai.:, is to suc~est i ~S moCe of action. In fact, I l:'Oul~^ .. sc'.~ t:li~ t 'it is •• -_ve*~ but trese `'et:, ~U ' C2._._..: ~.._._.._~_.__.._..__ ......_......------..,.:-r1 To ir.vestiCste' the •cigarette s=okP-heGlth situution "....to ::n coura,e and sL::-:.ort Cl:"c.li°:.ed :2sea_ ca s:.ipr.tis,cs in their efforts to 1 ea:r: ,:.ore zbc:;c t: ese c:.=0le:: :,roblers [.;ancer and he4= -:~ diseasz3 ." _ _. ...L ~... C5~ ; ~. .1 5 ~. . ^ J_ V_ December 1961, TI3C ~rantees pub_i s:^.ei i~~ ~a~E_ , these,' 36 were concerned with t:e c::e...=s:._;; o:: tc± ~.ccc ar.3 its smore; 47 r:it : cancer rasea: c: ; _3 wivL: .u mG:: ;^6 uri't:, heart and circui ation s -zu:::.es ;=+' W_t,:: ~as ~-c'_r. Les ~iazl tract • stud-+" es; <<.zth ps;.•c.ho-pa;; sic1o=_~_ st~z=es.; and 14 =iscellaneovs stLdi~:s (lung c4nce: revie:•:s, ;.cta,:co-.:ea=t=~ textbook). . _ V__f.?vG M.ia V. Mluch O~ •this researc!~, particularly ~Ij.M V or. t:-c c:~£:.._ca1, biocherical, and bio_oj;ical stucY of tJbE:cco z:.c = ts --o:: f~ could have k:d.:sr.ould have been ca_r_e4; ;.t-e r ese~rc: denartments of t: e tobacco con~anies•. .L O M v -.4 F' Ch G) $P J . .:.Nr ~:QQ •YA ~•~.. ? ~ ~_ - a) w .t '. :0fl . y ' Gne ^I~C C:antee isolated and c::aracterized 6-h;;csox~ni,cct=r.e w a:,- subse.::2ntly published his :insins-•,s. A si:..ilar stur~.~- wa: c:.r r_eu ou ~ in t:-is Comp1ny's Ressrr:•ch Depa=t::-,er.t. Ot::e= - -=a :`ees ::ave insesti-atec i^se•ctici 'e resi dues on to~- ^ 5::..~ -z i ~Je:. COUTBZ`1:1S Zescule., sco.^etil:) in Io:.acCo e tC.
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CONFIDENTIAL . . .~-~ .. .. , Browns. & W1131smson Tobacco Corporation By Tlaothy V. 8artnett, President Burley Auction Warehouse Association • ' By-Albert Clay, President Burley TqVacco Growers Cooperative Association By John W.-dones, President -• • .y ... .`:L Larus & Brother Company, Ino. By W. T. Reed, Jr., President P. Lorilla.rd & C o. By Herbert A. 8ent, Chairman , . - Maryland Tobacco Groxers Association By Samuel C. Linton, Qeneral Manager. . • . By 0. Parker McComas, President H. J. Reynolds Tobacco doaao8ny ' By. E. A. Darr, President Stephano Brothers, Ino. • ' By C. S. Stephano, SG;D., Director of Research Tobacco Associates, Inc., an orga,nization of flue-cured tobacco growers By J. B. Hutson, President• United States Tobacoo Company • By J. W. Peterson, President , . t . , . Philip Morris & Co., Ltd.,.Inc. Pormation of the Committee .. . • . . Mr. 'Paul X. 8abn, President of The American Tobacco Company, on December 10 and 11,•1953 took the • T . S. ~ . . 5 ..... ~. . .. • : .~ v. ; . PHW00620
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~ between cessation o"' s.-ot_inm, 4n d dea•„h__(`_5), and si.,:;iar cr4zyes develop- in'the 1ungs o: ::ice expcse:: to ci;;r.rette smoke (50-52). (b) Fluorescent cons :ituer.ts of cij;arette smol:o are abJ;,r:,ec; ~ jnto resp rator•• t_~.ct cclls o- .:.a:: and e:':perimc:nz~r:_ p. .~ V '•..Z.•. . . d~•.::?.3Ja~s (59, 60). : ,^rwever, nLore nCe•.ce a.^.d Cc^.rC~ ?L are not s~n o::~.^.,ous (17). Cu:c].nos2T.3.c T~olyC;;'c?1C :.;':;:p'C~ {oenzoC_'I;,yrene, cibe^z~a,h3 anth_racene) and noncarci.^..17d, Eb. polycyclic hydrocarbons (znt:~racene, Fhznantaene) a- :~ ::i -uret?:are ; :1y J`luorzscent pns1i::e- car ino ; ; . S ; c .._. cu±none, and ~-r,an':t2:-.%,e u.ine ex2:ib:z or r.o c2nce . ., •:cc= (c) :~ole z~ic;a_e`.te swo•r.e (40.)' a nd so:ae o~ its cor.stit::e:its;;'o+-. (p:eno~.s, fatty acids) (33, =19) cause ci?~.zr;• ~ara~~~sis:'Z:., ~ _ Qa (d) Cisarette smoke co? lects ate ci1;a-free areas _nd at G.reabAu- o~ Par&I:•zed c :lia (33, 41). Co:.t_ adictorr• evidence indica zes the : e1_"c%:,ir.c; : a ~!:wa (a) The above-described ce_1 u::ar chanGes car. be c sused :,;; a.:.D Q _ in previovs respiratory diseases _r.fiucnza (2), U. ~ Z ~ .C w rr.eunonia (10?), Asiatic influenza (30) , 4 r.;:_::ona_;;• x (6)~ and by illr.esses ii'•:e uremia (105i 107). 4-:c v:.ta:_-?.n '~4_L' zn LU LU d ~i i ~ c c ency. , , z= These c'tantes are ibserved to a deC_ee in i::=ants (3,1, i:am : o.^anokers (43), and in resid'r.ts of areas c: extreme Cn N air Follution (106, 110). o ~ ac ~(b> These changes are observed in the tracheas (w:r.dpipcs)_ Z smokers, but •ance ,Gi f'"t trache~ is ext=ene?y ra: e; Z~Z ~ (43-45, 109, 115). " :;LAJ %W (d) Ciliary paralysis can be caused by air pollutants 1_r:e• o 0 industrial gases (25, 112) and auto:aobile exhe.us ~E:ases (y~ ; 0e) There is r.o evidence that these chan3ed ce:.ls ever becoMeF:AU cancerous (40). These i may be sumWarized as follows : Since ce:: ::? ar Ln H Ql m ~ ~ Ql W N :+-- ~ r 0 N N N P
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sD.T BY: zEacx 3004 0 3•1s•aa .•s9em; ,.~ e1e a3e asso; at staScc, thcrc arc comlx:lling public policy iatucsu which precludt appliratioa of any ot thc privilegts invokcd by t= defendant herein. Moteova, the Sackmsas bave desnoastrstcd 2Ljj" faak evidence o1'thc cuisterkct of a fraud, and that Spccial PrvjwV portinns of esch oCtbc communicntions contaiacd in the drx~uracnu wbmittcd for in came^ ravica in fiut,hcranc;e of that fnud. .accordiarly. Liggcrt is onlarcd ta turn ovcr Special Projects potticas" of the dncuracau pcvducnd for in carntn iaspection. SO 0RI?ERM. ' Da=d: Uniar"e. New York Ma:ch 19,1996 xoYaas • s cobrss>; Zs Dn cr= ro ss>n 1 caPY t~ wo.s saia or= aar pAIk?zsa cPOa uSts dr.acriplions of tndacscd poriiuau& sutncxcd-at appendix at •8 " 3eceivcd Time Mer, 20. 11:3{AM PHW02541
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C•. . -, ~:; -v L1 1 1. ;.r.ierican Colle;;e of C::ezt Pi:ysicians, State-e^\t on L . :.i -- ^e S-o':inc . D I%S . V::23'. , 42 i* 233 1GO~2' • yn11~.Te~:. • D+.~.rA.~w, L, ~}'~' -o"Tc 1 j:JG) w :..^. :•:i.^._^csco.^.ic :18:?i::aLio2: .^.f the '-ronc~li~i EDit:heliu'•4 .:Ler:ac::, C., :tout, A. P, H-^.i'::ioJ:d, :. C., and uar"i:'i,:e_ Andrizl, t:., ^rachea1 and Sror.chia1 S':u:.:^ous ':Ptar,:a~ia in = .1 ive-:z.. .~. . :.. :~:;..::. 2 . jj- 9 _ _ _ ~•.::..~ . S=.o: _:^, and i.^. ?e_s t-ior t1o Lunp- Cncer.-hT~:~- vi 2o7 lc 2r caret:,z i s in 3ronchia_ Eni `heliu- in ?e=%tion to C i.l:~ n_e Aue=:,uc!:, 0. , S tou ,::a^ aond, S. . C. , and G2rSin:-.el,' i~`r.ziL:~~ nue_tach,',C..., S~oL~, A. :i-.,'Fan~oad, S. C.,.and Gar" '. T. ~1. Lm in rne_ S mo,.:ers. •_: ~ _ 2^crc:,i ~ithei'? :G. J. 1 :~~ . .~_i' .. . ..: :.. , iG5. ( 1CuL . rVZ 6. . 34_o , :: . , Ju?iasz•, •33. ; :zr.d_^emen , J. , Pulror.ar^_In •`'arcts o.o L^.;. : ^^Ciino."...;•• 'q, 910-522 1CI`.)• . .~ .~., ~j I~ iJ, :.•.. ~I~ ^• e za . , V. .\., ~''~-aC _V.'~•YiC Qr_.2_Vo__s u~Y. ~..~G .CYile _ET_lUenzs.PGpe= presented Gi. ICO2 sUZo=~liVe mN ee=~.n; Cor.; ^?sS: ,D etroit, .:ich . , Jan. 8-12 (? Cu2) . in Q C. I `t.~~ _.^., S. it. e:' ? c. ~`.i ~7- iscl :s in tf E S~..O:•:e C.^T:de..sc teQ ~ tt~i and ._:, Qx .i.'.?_ ment. J:^._owi.,^.' thF :_=ect- Of V2=iatiofl orCnLu ~.e:,:.'1-L and ~rnG'J? cC0 Zze• 'c61, :;c. 6 ~=e;,. 0/ .ww ` Z o '~~, N -• G. , PalZavclea_ 'ydrocar.t:-:s :~ _0 ^e~a•C~v , i_ ... and =: ~.r~.4.1 • ~ ..1.~ '. ^ .• , ~ .. 83, =+4?-447 (19c8). -o 11. -3e ntle;,•, ... 2. , and Jur;;a:., J • G., Pa? c? e==' L': ==acarnC:a U(n pG iT. '-7ba:ccG and :o.`.acco :::o::_e TI.^.e Uri7in of ~ .•«G :. E 4_ i:~ ~ w........: j!~ '.« ._.. :•r..~O~ ~ ~~ _, ~Ciu_]_~_^ •f..iC .. 7 ~0. 72~.'tr'o .:.:. i2j l.~ =?2j (1,60). ' y =u, 12. :e::;,ley, ::. ?. , and 3urc:r^., j. 3. , Poi~ucle_r ~ ~ ^c:,uccc and To:.. cco S- - :e. =I=. ^':e .~;~i~.~ s2~.o~`,, .~~`~« : YiJ . OS 3,~*-.o n~~r2:I•C~ 3:: t/~ ;;.G~: C v N'' .7.:0.:$ • ~ 9. . 3e=_in , S. :~. ,=/ce-: ti=icGtic.r. of C and Ch S2 t~:=ate:: ~ _ .. . . _ _ :~cids ad"C, 5, - =6, =17 ur~sal3=a :,e~ a ~ .c_.:s _ : ). ^cb:•cco urd in S ~e. 3='a2, `.,o. 5(Jar.. 2C "7-7,0 (1 9b0 ) • ~.. Ln ~ rn m ~ v m - 0
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CONIIDF.NTIAL' • sa . activities in every •resp3ct shall coni'orm to 'law and all decrees or Judgmsnta ot courts arfecting or relating to,t2ie•tobacco industry.• To this end the . • Committee Ia proceedipg uoder the advioe of legal , . .r .• counael aelected from among the couunsel or nomineea . • .. ~ .. • •. ot ita membe:s. . • :., TOHACCO MIDUSTBY BESF.ARC'B C0ja3ITTES Paul x: Hahn Chairmaa Dated: New York, New York : aeauazy 25, 1954 . . . • ,. 9 't+ . O. .r„3. O ' ' ta PNWOOg'2a
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. , OONIIDENTiAL initial steps in the.tormation ot the Comaittee in a telegram aent to the lolio-oing people; bir. Joseph F. Cullman, Jr., Preaident, ~ 8enson & Hedgea . . . , w.. }Ir. B. A. Darr;, President, R. T:' Reyaolds Tobacco Company .. • Mr. B. F. Fex, President, • Liggett & Myera Tobacco Company fit. William J. •Halley, Presideat, P. Lorillard Company .•. Mr. Timothy V. Hartnett, President, Broxn & Williamson Tobacco Corporation . . . Mr. J. 8.•8utson, Preaident, Tobacco Asaociatea, Imc. Mr. 0. Parker MaConas, Freside,nt, Philip Morris & Co., •Ltd., • Ua. •: . Mr. J. Whitney Peterson, President, United States Tobacco Company . Mr. Hahn suggested that these hea4s of the •., leading tobacco vnits meet to consider some action in :• . . . .. • reaponse to these published reports.' ' ` .•. R'hereafter, those invited xith•one exaeption} ' . . , ...._._..__ - -- ------ ----~_ ._.._._._..__.._.---- ___. _..aat-on De~cember-2~--and- ]:5,-~g~3 and beaember 28, 1953 _ • ' in Nex York City. • ~''~ ' • yiggett & mvera Tobacco Company ~ 6 . . . , , • . ~ . . L~ PHW00621
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I. C'cmtentinny ofThe (l,irtiry ~nnt1_ ~B~ceMUnd fhr docurrmrnt..w i,;.ur invulvu tho Council oa'1'obacco Kescsrch (heteittaftr.r cailrd "CTR"), an entity exi.tinS rurauant t.o thc laws of titc St= of New York whir.h funclett ullt:xwiy independent uabia.itd ScicsitifJC research r+elatins tn any cat~al sk:xus bct%vcca tobacco tue ar,d hcath. All the mrmberx uC CTR arc tobacco companies includinS the dtfwdaat Liggcn. ut'K --._.__.._.._.__...... ._ . ,c (`?1RG ,_.._ ....:-~several ..is thc: sua:~ur_ol' ilio Y=ohacco lr~utry Restan~ch -Conuuiltc'.. ~, Jo tmed -by wba,ccu cumpaniLs in 1954. 'ibc purpose nf itu famnation is rcabodicd in a document entitlui "A 1:ran1: Sta •• t to the Public - Ry the Mskaxs of Citaretus" (`! 7ank Statement"). The Frsal Swaac,ut wus publish,cd in severaftsationat newspapcn, nmtl in pdttstatrs: Wc acrert an inter:.u in peoplc's bcalth as a bWe t+esponsibiiity, psntmouat to evcty other cnnsidenatiun in our busioaSS. Wa believe the produ= we makr arti not mjurious to bpJth.... We aar plWging aid wd medxtw= to the tmcarcb cffort into all phaser a)f wba~at.•o usas and heatth. . . . In charLe or tthc 'InIt.C:f will he a xcietttis-t of impcscbable Luegtiry snd naattnal rcputc. In addit3oa ttset+e will be an AdvLsory Board ofscicatists disirn~esd in the 4areac 3adusuy. Frank Stuta:ar.at, Fwdu-bit `!1" to I ejt j. dated Nuve=bex 21, 1995 frcmm plaintift'a counsel Kcaneth D. McClsin. Although LigSeu wss nut une of the founding members of ?TRC, it beCD=e a mcml+er id 1064. During tcminu+rty lxlure C:oaStest in 1994. Dr. Janes F. Clenn, tlum Chaitti>n of Cl'1LM rccunfirmr,d thc missioa, tcstit;ylru that C:'lx `s;zlcfsl scac~tire trutb" ou tobacco and related healrfi issues. 9 •.a aV.a-J.W."t tiv...,•1-1 _t.,..I.A I I H-i•i.I A » ,Z,~d Shc L-.v(rotLm__ t of dMr-_C.twntrtitt.:o e n y nnd C'.nm erce_ 1 03rd Conj.. 2d Sess. 1 U: - •:. l33 at 341 (AFzil 2tMSy I2G, 1994)(tcstia+vay of Jantos h. Glenn, t2hstirnsan. C;ouna for ToN ,cw Rr=Urh; USA). ' CTk fuadcd scicatiflc ttiscarch pmjea.; thntuYh r6vd,rch graats and avw.trtix, j.r-tior o 2 Received Time 9 1 c. 20. 11 0: PHW02521
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-o- ) t :'.o ontcined no increased 1:::.& t;:-:or incidcnce in mice in:::, _ir.; ` :. e:taer outoinobi1e ex: aust ;;a:=es cr ci•-arette others has 3aOY.~1 that i"'••.u~ 1^` i o:n o~ r z~ ••~.,. .~ ai1°` +:a., °es a.d .^ .4 to 6 .. at::.os;~::e: ic dusts increas•ed t::e acpr.oma ir.cicience. Campbe'_1's negative Ifin(;inbs with ci`a=ette s=okE are otten quoted as ~ dC mons "C:'a tioa of ~ the :2C..car,_:.o~-zc: : c_fty of cigar et te 57o's:L ; Fc~L~4D . ,: :: <.::. J <, is his evidence quoted to indicate the noncarcinogenicity s air pollutants ! W '_D : . - }7. ; These negative innan ation reJLits are in te_pretdd by sc.:,e «'~,zo ~ _ . :~:: .. . . _........__._ ..___ . . . . v~ as an ir.dicatio~ ~ ~. ._t!:a,,. _ci;;a: et te--s~:c~:e is rot a carcino;;er. Scr:: ~,.U) ~ :_,....> M 'hi:::;an nn lung tissue. Two Sacts oi:set such thir...inE., Pirst, :; sr 0 are not nen, hence carcinomas s:ould not be e:.pected in a:~ost ;:resistante to :tze. induction o~ carcinoma of the 1Ln;-, r.nc: tic'~cse, + 1 ' usual lun g ca.ncer is the adencwa (100 ). 1.? so, asbestos and .sod:iuav? a=senite, recogrdzed indust_ial carcinogens, : ave rot beeh to be ca= cinogenic in animals (16) . Se condly, the ru :io c~..cer :ea ths : tDtal ci;,are tte s»o;:ers in t:e LT:~i ve:, Ju.+tcs U~ p~+ r.W0- ~(~~.f~ l.s r p?ro::iw :te1y 1:1?00, hence an _.^.halati~n i cn c. ;6v 2. Oigaret ~e s~ore con tains fourteen polycycliC hydrocarbc:.s': ; •._.. ~. ~ z (2i •) and th:ee ~:eterocyclic nitrogen compounds .(113) 'Zkncwr: to;^;°tu _ be car cir.ogezic to mouse s~cin. '^:e hydrocar:,on s include ber.i ' ~`~ C~: -~: ant :recer.e, :.eazd Ca:a~ perylene, :~enzoja3p~•rene, benzo ta~pyren~V; ;,:o y ' uene ,•sene, dibenz ar. thracene , 1-methylpyr2ne , cho=ar.t. ca ~ . tayrene, dibenzo a,anyreng , m diber.zc a,h3. oyrene, dibenzo a,i1- • 2, 3-dihYcro-'_:?-be nzo t_lc3-cl oper,tr.ilazithracene , 10,11-diaydro- ~=:;is author discuszes a? 1;; :e polycYclic hydrocarbons except c:.ciant!:rene . Vw C A.% kv• N 51604 7634 ^j w C) e::zeri-•ent invoiv:::g pice rec:are 1700 a::i^als for tilE Z• tua =ccLCtion c: one ca_^c:r.3-a, Rssu-inc to::::t t::e resJor.ae or zc~u& Q V and •.u-a:: 1Lnb ;issue was-he same. ho such number has been ~ w use-_=:: :.:.;; sin;le e;:pe=i-ent. ^::e biological •Ifindin5s are sla ~- by sc ~a ••it?: the s ~atz:-ea,s '':.cp are not men •..ad ::ocse s%_-: o m ::ct }::- _tr.r zissue, s`a•tzments to which even the p_opcnen ;.s UE - -,--_ OtN c~ t: e c:gdretta s.:o~:e-lung cancer proposition agree (116). Chenicr_1_Data o N tY
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.SENT BY: XEROX 300A; 3•19•98 4:53PU; 1 0> 816 836 8968; a,nd cxpcri=c:c. Nowever, in civil sctions and ptuuxdings, with rrsptct ta an cle•ment of a clsim or dcfcnse us ta which State law supplics the rule of dccision. t}ta privilege c+f a witness. pcrson. Fovcrtunent. Stute, or pnlitical subdivision thcr~:c1' ahall bc: dctczminrid in awardance with State law. The "rationalc undcrlyinz (Ruic 5011is that fedcral law should not supcrscdc that of the Sta!t, in suhmaniive areas such as privilcrc abscnt acompCllinL rea.ion." Notes of Goaim- on the Judiciary, H.R Nu. 93-650. If the privilege qucsiioc rclatcs to claims which will be decided tutder whctantivc ststc 1aw, thcn the stutt's privilCP 1aw applies. Aeeliestinn nf American Tnhnu:n C:a, 880 F.2d 1320. 1527 (2d Cir. 198q}; Rejmt+Lc C*eer v. l3sa[C•Warngr Com, 381 F.2d 551, 555-56 n.2 (2c! Cir. 1967)• RiI-11 Srorct 1nc. y. Bmnt:c. 153 h.it.l). SSS, S60 (S.D.N.Y. 1994) (in a divcrsity cawo New York sttorney-+clicat privilcgc law applicable wherti New York law opplitshle tc+ al substaa:ivt claimu). l+cdcri1 jcai,~diciiun here ix ba..e<i snlely on diversity. 71u Sacl:muu' clsims arc bascd LE ~, upon New York csuscs of actioa which will be decidal by New York luw. '1'hus, New York anorney-caient privilege law is applicable undcs Kulc S01, Fed. R Evid. R. blew _Y"k Cboiee of lAyv On= dr.; cuurt d=miaes tW ststr uub,csas,tive law applies, it must next look to the forum stat.'s ettiallict oflawn principles to deurtnine whethct any other law applics. Kl4x°,1 v_ -41 ~ !r.lectric Man~ufutltteng Co, 313 U.S. 487, 61 S. Ct. 1020, 83 LEd. 1477 (1941). In rarrnla_nd t) +'-" v 11ar= 65 N.Y.3d 5 1, 489 N.Y.5.2d713, 478 N.lL:d 1.1•14 (N.Y. 19$5), New York's higheet cotat hr.ld that where'litigstion involv(,eej tnultistate contacts of partics tasiding in difkttiru Staws ... the firam Stzte ia free to molvo those conflicts aitd choose the 7 m orl 18 PHW02526 Received Titae Mi r. 20. 11: 3 10A,2'
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-2- I. .^he :•.,_ci-,ncc - '1ro and Con T::2 ciCarette s.^o;:s-lur:C c :nce: problem has t•eEn '_r.v- Zt:Z4; ed epid~•.7,:olo[;ically, p&tholo-ic,,.11;;, bio:,ogically, and che=:cally . :;r:c:~ disci^line ?:as yielded pertinant inforraation. The epide:..ioio0ical studies have also sug--:-ested a relationship between cigarette s:aokinq~:-~- and otner diseases 0 , Foidcmiolo~;ica1 Data It has been shown in thi:ty retros 36 ective (2?• 1G4 , p , , ~ ~ and ir your prospective statis~ical studies (15, 2?.) ti:at •y- • .. .. _. . ..ro._.._ --- incidence.'ef--1~;~g~- czncer-is-~~lowr-+n- z~onsnokers, pportional ta ~' ' ater in cigarette snokers than in ci;;a_ ette consurr.ption, gre ci~,~:r:~,';t~ ~ p or . in p_zt srr.o'r.ers (uho show a h_r'r.er in.cidence o'' , oral cancer:;,><r: DU tacn co cigarette srofers), greater in cigarette smokers who .inhalE zraa in those wY:o do not inhale, greater in cigarette•• ~>Vi s mok2= s continuing the hab: t than in ex=cigare.tte smo::ers, anC.':'-< ~>. . . . u,.: cowpa-able in wa3e and 'L'ema12 cigarette smokers when • s.:o-a. - f:j ; a:-ount, and tuaor t;•:,e are consicered (39, 11?) . ~ °°•LUa 1'hese "f=ndine-s' irdica te ;':at c:ta.rette snc::ir.g ir.ci•eates. t::: =sIB (n Q '~Q c~~ de~•e=opinE lung ca nce_ .:iaiz;,~ • aLthori ties' be~ieve the..re_at~n-w ~ Z -W a ship to be one of cause-ar.c-e==ect. ..o Q ~ Cor.tradictory data have been provided by statistical ; e*) W ~•- w:`ich suggest that srao::i:.~ hab_ts (and possibly lung cII^ce= ;• are LL w ~ linked to a constituticnal La ccor. The ta:in s tudies o r?=ibe_ L e~ m zl., (36)-, Fisher (31:, 35), and 3aasc.':ou-r:ielsen (63) :n::icated uF V, a greater concordance of s..o.:i n; habits between identical 0 2 o than between frsternal twins. These studies, however, fall in• the a •1':~is author reviews 27 dift'erent retrospective s,. udies : y Z~ > :. U: o by 2resiow, t al. , Denoix and Schwartz, Doll and ui 11, ~_ Haenszel et al.,' . Kou? um_es, Levin et al., Zjombard c o ~or;.er, Muller, a v et 1. , McConnell et 1. ,; 'i11 s and ~ Potter and Tully, Sadowsky et a1. . Schairer and Sc :o :i:Lt= GSchre'r , ', t 1. , Schwartz et al ., Stocks, Stocks •and ^a.Lpbe1= , .:IISSi n~., clatson and Conte, ::ynder and Cornfield, l•:Jnde:_ a'd Craha7,, 'Wynder and Lemon. •'This author reviews the prospective studies bS' Doll and Hill, '.an:ond and Horn, and Dorn. 51604 7630 ~ 0 ~ m N N W N r
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uonfu,-iun in this urca oF jurisprucknu, N,ew York cs.ce autharities appear Prednminaritly to IIpPlY tht s.o-ca11.d 'gnouning o1'contact.r,' apprx;uh, or its proximatC vari4tion. in determining thc cboicc of applicahle privikge rules." Lj, at • 1. Similarly, the center of gruvity or gruuping uf craaWcts tcat h:u bean Jpplicd in determi,ainj; what Iaw,is lpplicuble to the xsaertiun olthC . attorney-client privilege. randm-an y Crosc & Bn , a79'N.Y.S.2d 435, 4.16,123 Mix,2J 183 (N.Y. Sup. 198s). Tti.ct wurt huIJ thbt Nc-w Yurk 3LCw %.u appiicable to the atsestidn ot'the attomey ciiant privilesc, based upon tfie ccttitcr of gnviry or W muping_ef wnt;tcts rulac, even though "Floridd law may pverrt oiher purtions or the r.antrovtrsy:' j& In ~ Shnkl= rp, v_ O-rmign 1993 WL 378268 (S.D.N.Y. 1993), thc wutL sittitir in divc:yity, held that New Ye+rl; lstw wa.c spplicahle to the issue nf attnrney-cllent priviLege where the actinn was for =tney malptuuce. Tht c= teasomd that "New York has tlt+e pred=inaat in:a~cst in issues involviag lecs! taalprscticc allegedly comiaittcd by z New York attoracy with respcct to " thc pcffotmancc ot his dutics in thi3 statc. Accotdin8ly. New York law Yvvurs.v ;uty yteslianY of privileLc." ld, u' 1. B:.-;ec1 on the futegoing. it is cleur th:d New Yorl: privilege luw is appliCablc. to Ligucu's asscrtinn o( the auarney-cliast privileSe. Although Li88ctt is inearporatad in 1)rJawsrc, the plaintiiTs ;ue New York citizras; plaintiif Juut Sackman was a tesideat of New York when she moked 1.iggett's tobacco product, and when she wa, allegerily harmed by that prnxiuct LijWett sold, markcwi znd adverti,ced its prodticts in New Yorlc. Tbc docunacau which LiUctt claims nre privileged concua Liaett's role in the (.`1'R, an entity headquartered and exisiirt pursuant ,.. :~. 9 Received Tine ~.r.~. Mir.20. PNW0252E
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_C_ Smo;-:_r.a ar.n ::ealt : and by a special co•:,-ittee of the A-e=ican i•:edical Association. Tt will be verv sur;xisin3 if their conclusions dif_er sJbsta^ti::?i;;- tt:osz o:' oti:er ~roups cited. Tt ha;; been repeatedly sta tec: t::at some scientists discour.t ti:a ci3arette ss.o.:e-lun~ cui:cz_ tneory. This is true. 3ut it sirouic~ : ~ `~ ~ ~•J:.i...... +. . ~ • • = . L .af L iet: a cord: ~; a_d a_dnd are on .e be ^o,,ed t;;,, many o ,,sose cuo „ed Jz t:, .is re, , _ , , , .=~ . ; :;;:v.N:a contrastiaL vie~~s. Scieatista in t::i: catego_;~ include, amon; n .>, ~. ;~. v. '-~ot2~ers A-rkint Berkson, Dean> 3astcott> Fisher, Hueper, ?it;ae ... . Ma .. _......_•__ _ _.._~._.._ ..._ .._._........_. _ ... cdonald•,-:?assey,. P.i'sdon ~ ar.d-:-:?oser-biatt-. '" .~er': son is repeatedly quoted as one of the statis :_ci~:~s ~ ' , z~..' ° ~ disagreeing with the cigarette swo;~e-lung ca ncer data. :owever , ~..u; . . _ .~ :.er:aon's cohsidered o~inio:. is illustraied by his staterer,t (I1 ~)::~~t•-~ ~~ :}'~ : s i r: ~ OZ. .....the ce~iaitive inpor~ar.~ ~_r.d:ng these : rospective v-- '` r Q a. s tatistical studies is not that there is .:r. association w . . .oo. between s=oking a nd lung cance=, but thaz t'r_erF is an '' as;,eciation between smof.ino and deazhs =ro.:, all cavs?s ~,:~~, gen-rally.. . . . " Z :;:m'W: ,~ O . ~ Q.. {. ~ ^~:e dai :sis that C16arOttC s«.7:.Zr6 was sta Vls Vically assecia NeG u, ch Z wa a s::o= -.eae.a. life s7zn was 'c.a'"a.:ced almos t a cua: te= of a ~ Q V =;,~C (6*)• cn w s:a:ist~c~.l s-udies Dean (25, 2C) in South ..:=icc uZ,w t•- and :as ;, :o :;, (31; i,'F-w Zea_und .ann ot ca_ ry the we:.t;:. ~ zsc+i:,ec o m tc :as:cott's ~t~dy ;31: cic:..ot comp3re i.r.:.igrarat .^.aa ;yf- ~ ncr.i...a;g_a.^.z lung 'ca::ce: v_c.ir.s wa:,n =espect to taeir in:?i.viduai s.:.oi:_2:5 bL't the ;,yea..^l;; per Cap: ta co:?sulrption, il± _ ., .. -~" E tz :1su M V ;:e w Zea.lanc a.-:d the O-n_ted :K'-: gdo:.. Since tr.e per capit `,w .V X'. was E;rea„er _n a7Ew ZEa_and than in the United lfinsdom and since::..:::. t.:e number of im:"iC._i..nt 1L':.V cancer victiras was Greater tS:an ttile' DD. au, nu =:,er ol' nor.i=i;rar:t lung cancer victims in New Zealas:d, ~W , ..: ::~stcott conc_udei ttat swokinb did not contribute to his :ir.::in.Z;:ff w Si =ila.^ly Dean (25) aid not cor.pure indiviaual smoring r.abits. "" Later, he (29) ascertained the s:: o-ki-lg habits of the lu nc cancer ~., c victir,s by ciuestionnaires addres:'grgc to the victins' next ot ~ a procedure criticized previously by reviewers olf tr.e ret=os*L••ct::ve "' N l.."`~ -- c::ncE:-s::o::in- stuCies. ~' W 51604 7637
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lcsal s,Tviccs or nt3vice." Cnn i•,tiQn ntL)'Alcisio . 589 N.Y.S.2d 232, 254. 155 Mix .2d S18 (N.Y. Sup. 1992); SM:11sr Pco l,~,e v..~n_.orin, 7S N.Y.2d 80, 549 N.E22d 1193. 550 N.Y.S.2d 612. 614 (N.Y. 1989)(rrivilcge atuches if "inforaiation is disclosed ia wnfidrnco w the attorney rot thc purFwu nf ubtsining legul edvicx or setvices."): Qvil Ser.+ic.ti EmjLlQyeex A-s'n 1nc ,Vc)n =iyZC_n_yary t IrA th titd1itv_ 103 A.D.2d 1000. 479 N.Y.S.2d : SD, 38l (N.Y. 4th Uep't 1,964)(stutcmatits.by' wilacssrs-to.cotmty attorney duting iaYestipuan-aot-shicldexl-by attornc~=- clicat privilcge)(citing Pfi,rcc v.,I tennes,,sv', 51 N.Y.24 62. 6!i-d9, 431 N.Y.S.2d 311. 409 N.1:.2d 983 (N.Y. 1930) and $=7tZ v- Bc ~~ 39 A.D.2d 307,309, 399 N.Y.S.2d 539 (N.Y. 19?7)). The "mcrc fsct Lluu a communiutiop is made directly to an sttoraey, or an ttwrrmcy is wpir.d on a manaraadum, dcgs not meatt thst the catmmuaicatiun is nerexurily ptinn'Iog,cd." jj-S., Ycctal alndce v. Ph;lrq Uodce Rcfinin 1+rn_= 952 F. Supp.156.160 (F-A.N.Y. 1994). Lirzrz has !'ailcd to su:~ain its bunkn of cstablishing the elernents of the auoauy-cliast ptivileSe with respeci Lu tho documentc at issuC. More spcxif aally, it has failed to demonsv-ate tlut (he documents At usuc relate to the rrnditinn u(lrgal advice vr 1cga1 sesvices. ?he ducuascAts lnvolve comrsuaicatluns by tobacco mmpatiy exezutivu and in-& uu3e eounsel and outside cowuel reluting to CTR Spc~~,-iat projeets:cscarch. Li$gett clnims ttsu the communications were aprn3Fuiute legal advice and/or worSt-product' for the purpose of devoloping cvida~ce !'cst fu1W+e lidgat9cnt. ja.C;mem revic*of tbe Specia1 Projects portimu of documents did not reveal ao,v wat;eeniialle ans exchanged in the documrnLr, nor the rendering of legal • - ~~ - *11six is uJycr 'dur~ussod jab under the worl:-ptvJuet privjlere. 12 ~~ceived ii©e Mtr.20. 10:0SAA PHW0253,i
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CONSDFNTIAL'. (December 1953), an3 in co•.r.tless• :.atio-i-al, regiona3 .`:. .... . . and local nswspapers.. • = . ,. E=ii7ation of all recent repo: ts and pub- '" .. . . lications, however, -reveals that many factors, such ... es various type3 of air pollution, as well as tobacco smoke have been susp-cted aa causes ot lung cancer. Although much has been written concerning the Snci- dence of lung caacer, there 1.a •atill a dearth of authoritative findiags on the aubject: 'It is'eate to-say that no perauasive*and drfiaitive conclusion respecting'the"'dauae of this disease;'' o:~ the rela- - tion of sabking"thereto, has been eatabll•shed. Sn the' light of the foregoing agitation and in the absehce of authoritative findingd, there is a responsibLtSty ozi the part of the maAageasnt• of the • tobacco manut'acttirers and others engaged in the tobacco industry to aid Sa the final determination of this con- troversy. It ia the earnest Yish or tlse industry to ' encoure age ao4etent scientifia autho.rtty .to-.xiad- ult1=--~ ~ . _ . mate.facta which vill dispel the prlesent•' confusi=: and to communicate authoritative factual information on Ln . o bl3 • ' ~ b b th ' ' pu c. Ject e the au t L.~ ~ O 00 .P , . . . PHW00618
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compounds from cigarette smoke), etc. It may be advantageous in the future for our Research Department personnel to have experi- ence in studies involving test mammals, particularly if govern- mental restrictions are imposed because of conclusions reached by the recently appointed Surgeon Generalts Advisory Committee ~.._ W on Smoking and Health. One of the five observers at the first . I ,;; . ..• . ,:: a . ; meeting of this Committee was a Division Director of the Food ... . .. . . . . ___..._...• • • .... _.....~_._ _ .. _-__ • .,: .:•.r. ....-----• -•--~ . ana Drug Administration. I~Members of- this Research DePartment 1=~: , ,, .,~ ~ j"', ~~,.D= c have studied in detail cigarette smoke composition (8, 9, 18-24; . . . . . .'.~..b:'.'a~~::. 47-49, 68-77, 79=101, 114) ... Some •of the findings liave been pub- Z. ;. lished' (19, 22, .2l+.., 74 , 8 0•, $?, '•89A,91j. 94, 96, 98, 100) .• How- ~... :AU 6 ever, much data remain unpublished because the ^ y' a q -are- concerned : Q ,. • v a~ carcinogenic or cocarcinogenic compounds (23, 47, 48A, 68-72,. 75, Uj 0. 7Z . '.m tA :.s.u ... 76, 78, 84-86, 88, 92, 101, 110 or with patentable material r? Q Z'+~w (83, 89). This raises an interesting question about the former ~ 4 U x compounds. If a tobacco compan y plead "Not guilty" or "Not proven"* z o ~ ww to the charge that cigarette smoke (orr one of its constituents). Z= is an etiologicL1 factor in the causation of lung czncer or some other disease, can the company justifiablyassume the position ::DQ tfiat publication of data pertaining to cigarette smoke composition ~.:• :QZ . ,.., .:. • +- . or physiological properties should be withheld because such data might affect adversely the company's economic status when the company has already implied in its plea that no such etiologie effect exists? . _ It is not my intent to suggest that this Company accept the E.g., Lartigue vs. Reynolds Tobacco Co. and Liggett ar.d =yers Tobacco Co., Greene vs. American Tobacco Co., and vs. Liggett and Myers Tobacco Co. ;.:..•..~ Az 3. .:~.:~,. o o :o
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S:•^i dT: ZCwA Jvv+) ,.1y•yQ Z.VV1.1, . -- OIG •JG do...•1 Uocuiucnt # 109: redsct ull parafiraphs exccpt "8"ut RC•6033;50. Ln ~ G nc,cumcat 0i 110: redact all rnaterials under the hcadinr "iV-10" at RC'-(i11.+3491. '~ ~ ON nocum=t W 113: rrALct mstcrial (except "Yublic ({elalioru" and matctlal thereundc7) ~ cuntsitticd under thc h"diags lahelcd 1, I1,111 at RC-6033526•RC-6033531; redact at RC- 6033532 commraci,ng seven lines from the l+ottnm at RC-6033532; Tedact RC-6033533; redact ell ta cad of docurnent accept msttriais unclsr 2 at RC-6033535. 1>r"maat * 114: redsct rnatcrial commcncing fi.•e 1iacs from the buttom at 1tC-G!)33537 though eiYht lincs at tfie u,r af RC-6033538: ruiacz bcginaing as ssver+ liaes down at RC- 6033540 through six lines dawu at ItC-6033541; and redact all ofRCr6033542. Dc+cument # 115: rcdact material bcU-inniag eight lina from the top at RC-6a33S47 , thnwyfi the end of !tC-603354s: rtdsct sll msteiials in the last four lines at RC-6033549. ' llacumcnt a 116: rZdact maseial be.'ginni•ag niue lines from thc bottom st RC-6033550 duwta the tcmainder ef the dcxumcIIt. Uocurnent * j 17: ndict all material czcept lut nine lines at RC-6033558; and reduct the la,ct eigbt li•au ut RC-6033561. Uocurnent 4 118: mdact last fivs llnec at RC-6033562 through KC-•6033566. cx=pt lines rve throu&h twc.1w; redact .11 of RC4033567. Dcxatmcnt 4 119i redact nuarsial sl,artin6 pmSmPl+ numbere-d 2 u KC-6033370 through ,. RC-60z3572; redart firsc Cour liaes at RC-6033573; und redact material wntaimd under . .~~_ .. pac.graphs numbsred 6, 7, 9.10. 11, 12 and 13A up to Sve Unes fnim tha bctttom at ItC- 6033STJ, and redaLt RC•b033578. imcurncnt it 120: rtdact all material eontained in "Agenda f16" and "Agenda 1M3" .j RC- 6033581. Received Tize lar. 20. !::3S..i'~ PHW02543
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ThC Sackmans sccl discovcry c,rthu 123 documeuts relating tn f.iggctt'a pUrUt;ip,;LioA in CTI'. Spccial frojccvc progr.vu. usscrting that the doctztr,r.nta xrc not privileged, and itthev ;,n= thcy fzll within thr,aimc-fraud excrpticm (o the privilege. Althoul;h there i.c K)mc ovuiapputr, the documt;ni3 fnll into three main eatcLtaries. 'l'he firct r.itegury, wrupriFing the o.•erwhelmi.at rttnjority nf the dcxauacuu, arc doeumcnt.s to ur from counsel rclatiaL to specitic sricntibc projectt, either conducted or rccnmmendcd to bc _.. c:i~n~luutixJ. iiudei C1R'.Spei.~ial Projects. 'ffte xecond category conxi,cts oCdoeuutlenu of tninutcs and agenda of mcCti,nc,s ofvarinux gertir.tl eoutuel to the wbacco companies in whic.h Cl'R Special Ptnjccts, or a purticul.v projeet, is discwsed. The third cateror;r coasists of ducurncnts rc:atitu to meetinp hctci by tobacco eomparty ruccutivC$ wherein Cllt Specialprojeets Wer~e discus,ced. Twn miscellaACotu doctvnents involve i description of varlous methods of tobucc.u Product rzc.trch and public rrclatious, and attnttul hudgct Lapcnditwev by Liggctt for research ond other letal expcn.xeK,' which include referenrxs to Cl'R SpeciYl Projec-ts. 'ibe Sa.ckman''s fraud ar~umcnt is,bascd on the claim that CTIt was hcld out w the public to te an :ndependcnt non-profit entity dcdic::~tcJ to scientific research to scrvc the interft-tx ul' public h=ljh. (.rncr pf Kenneth B. M' 11n_ dltedNuve.cttl+er 29. 1995 at 3. The Sackmaas wzsut ttat CTR Spccial Projecu did not fund indepeadcttt rti:+easrch on health r+clatcd satul:ing iuves far t.he public good, M,tt instead focu%a! oa rese,arr.h liksly to pmduce findings - iatcnd6-d !br public relations purpose,c ,md in the tobacco companirs' economic interest - that would dis-pn,vc or uadetmind any c,'tus.atiotut11ia1c bet•vecn health and the use uf lubaceo products. !he .~ Sachmans Iraint Wtihe cc+u&s' distinct rule I,n the aelectioa of rrmaisch for Spec,~ix! Projecu :usd to dte ahem~r of lurticijwtioa by SAA tu wppon their elalm thut Special Pniccts lacked 4 ltctiYtd Tire Mi[.20. 9:5:A' PHW02523
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bFKT flY: XEROX 3004; 3-1fl-08 a:SpPU; 1 ..1. et6 436 8988; The dc+cumcau coa&m that attorne;•s for the tobacco eornpanics met, Jiseu«cd• and decided vrbeehcr or not a speciftc projuet warzanted funding. Ligseat implicitly aeknowlodLcs that the prujccU wsrc not undert:,hen fnr the purpose orproducinr unhisscd report~ -dmply by invocation of the work product privilrbc. 7'hcsc docun=ts furthered lbe fraud thst CTtt Special Ptojecu p=pct:xtcd on the puhlic. CTIZ reJeased the lawyer-picked researe;h projeczs results und,er the Yuisc of uablti%ed scientitie findings. :sstly, Li;Krct claim•s thaj the dacu:zumss reviewed in,;aMez;t do not have unything to det with tbc: allegntions in the complaint, and for that reauan are twt Snibject to the crime-rrattd except;en. The Sael:msrs havt allegad that a continuing fraud ocists, and have pleaded the facue as best they could, without acceu to the doc.-taacnts. This is adoqtuw, given the wtavailability n f ~. the documcnt.t arbea tbe, complaint was rilod. F3w.ed on the fureCoiag, the eourt eoncludos that the Sackrn:uu As••e xustairted thcir 4 hurdeu of eszsblishin; prrobsblc cause that a fraudulcat scheme existed and that the dxuwettts L, he•reia arc in fuathera=' 1 or that ftau•d. • ~ Ac;:ordinsly, even if the privileges assertCd herc by l.i`Yett were applicable, the court -J . o, tiads th:.t th~: czimc-fraud acoeptic+n applies and mandates diselosur~e. w Cn ecy Ibe court's rcv,ew of the partlos' submiicsiuns ond of tlu: documents at issue r.v,aals that Liixctt bas failed tv estal~kiA ehut tl4 stunrney-caicAt, joint drfcasc, or work-produet privilege is ~ , appiicublc to the:e documents. Ti+C eeurt furtlux fsnds thzt due to the aitical.public heaith issu" ~~&.g annexed nppendix u-A;' w$icb is orderad to be scaled pandistr aaY aPpcal of this ordc:r. . 21 Feceived Tiae Mir.20. 11:351,M PHW02540
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CONFIDEIITWL , . Typical of thasa -,-porta is aii article ap- :, pearing in the JourAal of the Aa.e: ican Medical Aeaoei- , ation (143 JAMA *329, May 27, 1950) wherrin Dra . B. L. - -''' Wynder and L.*A. Qraham r.$ported that applicationa of '•. ._ cigarette 'ta_~a to the backg, ot_ miee '2zad produced skin oanoera. . . 1i an• actdreaa betore• the An3ns81, Fal]. Clini- eal Conferenee ot'the•8annaa City Southweat Clinical Society, held Sn Kansas City, ~1lasour3` ctt September 28, 1953, Dr. Alton pchsn=r said: "This'nnprecedented in- .. . . . crease in t,2ie' incidence or bronchogenlc 'dancer, we are convinced, Sa due to thd car4inogeniet efSect of: oiga- . . rette amoking" (S=aes City Medical Journa.l, Qorl, xXIX, No. 6, Kovember-December, 1933 at p.`6); • , . At a recent meeting of the Greater New York Dental Asaociation, these aame doctors retterated. . charges, baneQ on atatiatical and ot2ier anal7aea, • that . cigarettes contain a cancer producing -l8rctbr. ' ' .. .. . _ • • ••-•----- , The#e"aa~artion9; - and~ot3ie "ra rto''the aaae e!~ :. 1'ect, have been given extensive publidity' in magazinen : h+ of national, circu2ation, such aa• TSme '(`1tcvimber 30, O 1953 ). Life (December 21, 1953 ), end Aeaders f Digest . . . . ta . 2 Ln ~ ~ ~ ~ J Oh J l0 . pHW00617
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appLi"blc low lrzsui upon Un evzluadon of the State eont.zcts .IL-itli the p"c, nnJ thc tr.irusctinn•." F~rmland n,iri 65 N.Y.2d st 58. New Yorl couRs witl apply the jaw of the stanc havjnF tbc r,~eatest conccrn with thc issue raiscd. AccusYStsnL Ince v. Hony,xwcll Infurmulson SvUM. S80 F. Supp. 474 (S.D.N.Y. 19R4). gcruasrems involved a diversiry.ctioa in which the plaiiuiff alleged claims soundi,ng iA h0tb toti and aontr.wt law. The cvutt, in urWy.cng whirh luw shuuld bc ssppiisscl, xlatcd thu! --....__ "Nawr York wuzt: apply t}ic !uw vf tbe !e hcwinY 'tbs grratccrt wac~.za wilh tlu sprciGc iyoiuc raised in the IitigatioA.'" Id, at 480. T'hr'cxsurt in jZsvid iuni__ Lk- inc. v. F.W. Rornfcld. 813 F. Supp. 988 (S.D.N.Y. 1993) s==ri-zcd the stot@ of New Yat11aw as folluwa: New york.tuiGs= an iatcrest analysis approach to choice of law rrohlermtt. lJnder New York conflicu principles. 'the law of the jurixdirction hayiar the grea= intenst in the lit;gasion will be applied and ... the faat.~c or contrct.,c which obtain significaacc in defining Sate interests are thasc which srl,ite tu the ptnpose of the puticular law in conflict' 'lhe Court mu,n etizlUase the nextu betwert, r.cch jwLsziicuion =xi the conlrovcrsy in light of tba policies and purpcues to he vindicated by the eonflietinY lawY. The Cutnt will srply thc laws of the jurisdiction which has the greatest interest in, :.nd is rnost intimately cnnc:emcd with, the outcome of a givctt lit%3t;dn. l'htt~ under New York ennflict% principles. contnolling c114xt is aeaord*i ta the law of the jurisdietion `which ha.c the gmte:ct eoac= with, or iatacst ia, tbe sp=dfu issve nised in the litihation.' 4 at>94. New Yoti cotssts (and federul wuri,i sitting in New Yark) hnve aeidnrtt addres.t+ed the choice of law Ixxue repmTnY the u.cseruon of a privileee. : Irt Detroir Coke Corn. v. NKK . .~, ~+'~ 367060 (W.U.N.Y.1993), the coutt recognized the lack of herniG^I U~ :ae-1y93 Vy • authorit3r on this issue, ?atolding t}wt "(ujithuugb nc,t without some apparent and not uacomtnon 8 PHW02527
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815 838 8986; ?hc Priwitcgr protects art utrorney's "thought-proce:cscs includLingl prepari,nE lcj;sl thcorics, Tlaanind litiw'atioa strategica end viul Lactics, and al.ifung through intbrmuioti.` ~ T2S!nre ndyertibin; q"urjries icign io 163 FJt.T). 452. 456 (S.D.N.Y. 1WS)• The parry a.RLerting the rrivilege under Rule 2(>(h)(3) atust satisfy a thrce•yart te.a. Yitst, the party must dcmoasuave that the inrurznation reque.aW is either documents or othcraise a+nrihla. Second. the document must have brxa prep=d in anticipuion of litigation. Third, the dowmeAt mu.R have bxa prc.-pzrcd by or 1'or the party's teprrsentative. Fed. It. Civ. P. 2G(b)(3): Sa.M Jslint ; 1s,L trrn,~~ •Tr rn I3is±r+ct Asb es 1_.itii-~Lc+n- l 19 F.R.ll. 4, 6(1•;J).N.Y. 1y88); jn,= i ~=dJiyr•• Nnh mc n.red ern r 1 x_ I ya 1 ana YM S61 F. .Supp. 1247, 1257 (L•'.ll.N.Y. 19Y2). 1hc porty invoking the wuzic product pririlcge ruuxt ako demnn.<trar,t that the document wu prejra.rrd `priacipally or cxelusively to assist in anticipstod or ongoing litigettJon." Marria v- . Vntlcy yf A_ ri;G, ;ng, t40 F.R.D. 291, 304 (S.D.N.Y. 1991); j1.S. v. Cc+n.~=tion Ernd ac Re~~;crc - t•~c-, 73 F.1d 464.473 (2d C.ir. 199b}(pstty elaimittL privilcgc "gcacr-a11y mus( ; show t}•.at-the docuauats were prcpsrod priacipsUy or exclusively to assist" in lititstlon). '!7hc 0 document must harc bow "prepsrtid h"gusc o the prospect vrlitigation." Btsnk Brvssels i_'mhertV- Cmjit T,~y Sn_n_ais lStukce) R4 160 F.R.ll. 437,448 (S.D.N.Y.1993)(xtnnbnsi~ iddcd . if tbe ''primwy motivating purpou" in crwtinr the materiahc "is other than to ax,ist iu ,. pc:adiaL or impcnding lid~tioa, then the dreurneat does not e~eceive wvric product protea.-tioa." In Mz: * 1n,.~~~r i in+ ian,1993 WL 361125 at •3 (S.D.N.Y.1993). Ln ~ ~ . ,u~i~ ~t~;va,~t ortix ~tirs1~ by uth~ ~.1"e~t. ~t. Civ. ~ P. 26(b) M. ~ 16 0 Received Titae 1(ir. 20. ;0:09r+3d PHW02535
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SEr.T BY: XEROX 3004; 3-19-98 4:SePu; t-, ete 936 9966; "probable eause 1n holirvc' ttu: ezistcuce of frsud. ln i<rnitod tit_ntes v. 7.nlin. 491 U.S. $44, 109 S.CG 2619 (1989). the Supreme Court held that oacc the court hm found that thc party challen~,*int: the applicability of the aunrney-clieat privilege ti:uc rnauie the threshold showin,+' rcNuirc.-tl towyrdIIt fn camera Tt.wicw, the eourt =y prourd in Jeterninias whether or not the exception applies. The coun has previauxly found that the Sackmans tnet the threshold rcquiretneat for ia:rnmen inspection. S= Order dated October 20, 1995. The prvpuacat does not have to c3tablish prvb;ble cause of fraud through indcpendrnt evidence but rathet, the cotut msy t:s.ke such determination based on the in oamrra review of documeau. jL ut 555. The Ssckmaas' papets, together with the dor.umcats, provide the wtat witL prim-4 Acie cvidence sufficieru to eublish probable cause (1) that a fraudulent purpose existrd in taggett's. use of C"TR Spcca,l Projaxs. and (2) that the documents at Issue 2bttbered the fraud. The "OrS- tiua aad Policy' of tfu'1'i RC xtues that thc'bbjoct of iL< <esesrch proe,-ram is to cnc*ura^.e scientific study oCfncts about tobacco use and healt}t ... ror a full evslua:ion of 411 . lacto:s bci:.t studied in coaneetion with those disrascs:' ?his is consistent with the Cormzatioa of a non-profit scicatific rscazh entity formed under the laws of t6 Stsue of New York. A dc~cument eatitlod "A Ftaak Statement to the Public by the Makers of Cigarettes" ("Fr.mk Stawmenf'), idcntifies the rcasons foT the croatian of TIRG CTR's ptedecessor. That stat=cnt a3sats that'(1RC's pwpose was to uadertakc scieatifie research in oe+der to iadcpeadently ~ , •Zpji,p-ftid tbst thli was evidence auMcient to support "a reasonable belieftbat * S3M= inspocxion tna,y yield evidence tlwt establishes the rxxpttoa's eppliatbiliry:" 491 U.S. at 574. 375,109 S.C1tL at 2632. •• y}= Lxhibit "D" to the Ls;t1eL datcd Novezaber 21,1I9S by plaiatiS`s' cottoel, KennCth B. McC1aiA. 19 Received ?ime Mtr.20. 11:3SkM 51604 7671 PHW02538
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De zber 15, 1953 RkCZCRCtPzy 1i12FRUL ON THE CIDARETTE INDTSTBY CLIFNT Sha fallarint, fnfoesiation rr given ess by the presidents of the leading tabsscca companies at the Aotel Plasa this morning. 2. Participants . --,-_ There ia no tr~sSle ausociation in the cigarette industry. Thi+ is because the tobaceo companies are prevented by the dissolution decree of 1911 and the criainat convictions under the Anti-Trust Act in 1939 from carrying on sunq groap activities. d.s a matter of fact, before the ctrrent health crisis arose, s cigarette sanedattmrs never •et together at any tis~e except at dinners honoring so.e 3.ndastrT leader. The group was called together by Mr. Paul Hahan, President of the lmerican Tobacco Company, The chief executive officers of all the leading companies - 1, J, Yeynoldsq Philip Horrisi Benson & Hedges, D, S, Tobaccb Company, Brown & 1filliamson - have agreed to go along with a public rela- tions program on the health issue. Liggett & Myers is not participating in the organisation because that company feels that the proper procedtffe is to ignore the whole eontro- versy, . In addition to the cigarette companies, the txo important groups of tobacco grorers involved are ' enthusiastically supporting the new program. T otether thase tobacco growers repres ent s ome 600, 000 f arm and 2, 700 t000 far.ers, Ob.iously, the tobacco growers 'are the political strength along .ith-tfie 1,a00,_000 retail tobacco outlets, The tobacco growers rili be ;• .. .:L ll.. anisation - Ln B.canse of the anti-trust background, the companies do not favor, ,'M- tl+e iacacporat3oa of a formal association. Instead~ they prefer strongly ~ the organization of an informal coasAittee which aill be specifically charged with the public relations function and readily identified*as such, ~ 00 CO ( PLAMIFF'S F.?CRBTT, Iti EXHIBIT 5 PHW01537
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8C. r~odr; ~n, A•, enc Cool:, L. C. , iac _.~^nlvs; s o~' CiCcr _tt~ S`aoEe. )til. Y.-._ no1s._ Ri.Z, ~, i:o. 10 (= 23~ •~ - -_ ..- - J . 69. ?.od^=n, d., aac? Cook, L. C., of Cirrzrct_c S.ZO:ce Cond_n::ts. vc:cryl-t~ G -D-:c? 1cc2~;anosiae.; cTooacco r ~ , , . ) -. o.ce. itJ3,~i cul, i:o• 42 ( b. 1S . ~.. - s9A• '.od~;:rn, A., cr.d Cook, L. C•, T'no Co. ~os;tion_of_C_i; rette_S_=oke. _1. 1ZG ~ -1lfi"o:;v-1 .-i •L7n+rro^ S iL !•; c" Tob^ cco .c...'.'.o~:0. :0z:.n.C0 JCI t~..~, J, 1z3•'1 24 •(19J2) - ... . _- ~ 93. .._.._ ... . ._.. _~. - .., 1c ~~ ~~To ~ i ., .• . 1., (JL:.::•2)• :; :.::VI• .'.ete= oc~iclic i~itro7en Ccm-~ouncs iZ ~ki~•' Toba cco wP+nk0. acoc,,'=:;, a•, c.nd Coo», L. C., izc A-.al;.s: _of Ci •r~aratte S=oae •- - -- - .< nf- ri s +++n++e ~.-n`rn _ 'l7 . 1.. . . , . . , . . . . et?i. . ,,. .:. . . ' . . ~ rzs: neteroc7c-i_c 3litrooen Co=-)oanos in :%=kish To:racco Sao:ce. 103.:CC0 • 6 ~.}^/.-..0. Rod,~.~a, ...,;,and,•Cook, :L. C•, •7ne 6n•1-•sis of_C{;irstt~ ^'~e :!TZ ~ ~`~REaol_ cnd Isceu eaol ?JS 1c~2 i~ . 15 (JZT~ 21) ---> , ~ q . o _.,,.• Q • . • ' _ .. .. -~ ... . • . . . . . .~. b;: . . . COoiC, L. C., 3ellj.I:s .ci•, st....•Rms. S• .. s• sI1C YOL..~'--. G. 1t•o.?: . _^? a=i?s3 c ••of _'Ci-n: •vtte' Smoke Conccss2te. • :''.iI. Mne Co~~ositic:: of' p: ' ~=::intic E~er'?_~acricn _r^~ ?o:.;.cco End To':acco 5moye. ?.D ~, i:a. ~:,.UJ a' 27). . z -, Lu ~ Qc. . ?..7.~.~~.^ .,7.~.~~.^. ,., ..,. COo.i, L. C., ~.Q111n, S• 1~., :"~, S• .Ci., and VoLZ~', G. .:., ~~j_ ~ ~`..~-Np.`S+: ^ v Ci y+i v ~ 1 ~ .~..• .,' S + • -•L l. L '_ ~ a" ' :7 . . .._.O..e • :.~• A~ 4 : J\--p•w ..l C ~.7 LC. : . :C V`~.':1 _rCi.a . O . =.uU ~07:_CCO En' Tp~ c., ••e Smo.:. ~e . _v _ ^n.~.•.,.~~....n... ~.r..I~r.:.. ".'iz-47 +lCi"0..) .• . U QX . ~=. , , :,., Coal"-, L. C., cnd Cac^ali, C. ^ne A=aysis of CiC-;::% tte . ZD C"o'.!? CpndE.^.5=tc. :•t • Cc.,:"; : is0.^. of a7iffc:'e7t Tobs cc0 T7DCs. ?.,•1.R, p m 96. ?.oOrr~:;r A., .~'ioo3C, L. C., e.1Q C'•^...°7De1•1., C. 7., i'a,e CO=DOsi+..fo.^. p= Ci ~rer1ve•'~Ll~ S.:.oke. ;_'T• Co_ rison o. Dif= crent ~'o'a: cca ^ro~s. ?~31: CO SC~::C ;• ] }=a . _ ,__. _..... 9S. 3od,r,+=n, A., Cook, L. C., and Latimr.-, :. H., Saokc. II. Solaaesvl and, r. vtoste~~l F.ster s. _ o U95). 99. ?.odg:un, b•, Coo::, L. C•, and ia:••s, 5. S., Tae .t-plysis or Ci qw_wette S:.o`46c ` Coacenscte. '. Soualenes an•: Scian.scnc_..- s. M.Ai 9 ^ .~.r.--rr.._.w...r. ~r ~www.+....r....~.- ~..ar. , 100. aoc cmnn, =. , Cook, L. C•, end :•Ims, S. S. , Tae, Caa'ao sition o''_ Pvz_: e Szokn. V. So1 annsones. J. Q? ;. C:3•':. ,??, 457-501 (1951) . Ln ~ m m ~ . . . ._ . .. .. - -: ; :Z°;;z sv ~
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cori~~.t~t: The Bright Belt Ws.'`shouse Association, the Burley Auction Warehouss Asso:iation, 'the "Burley To- bacco Growers Cooperative Asaoc{ ation,' Lartits & Brother tion, tion, aad Stephano'aMothesa, Iac, were invited to join with the original 'g: oup and became~m..mbera of the ~Com- Company, Inc., the ,Masq3.and Tobacco Growers Associa- . . ,, mittee. • _ Limit of Poir*~-a The purpoaea and objectives oti the Co=3,t- tee are to a.id and assist' r3a+eareh into 'tobacco use nnd health, and particularly into the alleged•rela-. tionship between the use or tobacco aad'lung*caneer, and to make available to the public tactual informa- tion on 'thia subject. It ia the considered Jczdgiaent of the Comaittee that its activitiea aha1:I 'bb confined to the purpoaee set forth above, and that St 'Ys in _ • . ~ -. . nowise to be 'ebnstder ed or to op~xata._ad_a'-t~ade-~ao ciation or to part4cipate in any act,i,vity; %or givQ, consideration to any matters, atSeetiag the buoineen M+ conduct or activities of its msmbers, and that its O . , . .. •_ ~ ' . ~ . ' . ~.O O PHW00623 '
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cigarette smoke-health data at face value, but I do suggest that this Company, through its Research Department, actively partici- pate in cigarette smoke-health studies. Other Companies (General :.. .v............. Motors Corporation (7), Imperial Tobacco Company (Great Britain) o: t - ave reporte e r findings on the air po (10 12 )) h d h i 11 i "°-' ,:=::Q .: without apparent loss of prestige (or income). health problem and cigarette smoke-health problem, resp.-/ectively, :~."iz, otu . ..._ .:~sO _ . .~~: .. . . _. . ~>~ __... : . M,,: ... . . . • • . •. :~.~. IV. Recommendations - - -_ ; - ; - . - - -:~,u - -` After consideration of the evidence 'available on the cigarette'L smoke-health problem • and •the- Company' s' obligation* to its customersi.::;•+-, . stockholders, and:employees, it is recommended that facilities,. ~.. u, in 1953, by Rodgman'in 1954 (66), in 1955 (67), in 1956 (651,), in 1959 (72), and in 1962 by Nielson (62) and Rodgman (77). ~ Data from such studies may be invaluable if governmental restric- tions are imposed as a result of the conclusions of the'Surgeon' This recommendation has been made by. Teague (111) animals, and personnel 'where necessary) be acquired to study biolo icall ci arette smoke• tobacco tobacco+:and additives. g y g > > UJ °-. General's Co-.=ittee on Smoking and Health. It is, z=) om ~ : ... ~ N.. I believe, mose . o urgent than ever that we acquire dexterity in biological tech- niques. lung cancer."- These remarks may have some justification, but attempts to minimize our obligations by pointing an accus:::a finger at others is no solution to the cigarette sroae-:.:::._th problem: * It is interesting to note rema: s:ike "Wny on't 'tney' do something about t:,-n l_c:-:: ter all, there are an estimated four alccholics. hlco- holism i= nc:, o:.:: ' but also . ; causes ur.vcla z:.g•.:1sL tC :-s..i.::.:_~'. • C: 4.iCut t:e IIeat- packing industry and the supposed relationship of saturated ani- mal fat to cholesterol-caused circu&atory disorders and r.e::rt'. disease? Ai'ter a11., many more persons die of heart disease than ~m s 0 c
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1(A •47. Lati3er, P. :-i., Thd Dc;ter3i^.otion of Pnenol in Cioeretto -c'mo::e. aD~, 1961, ?'o. 37 (Ju1y 2-, - 48. Lauu'ene, A. H., Tbe Coa °sotion of the Vsaor r~o aso of Cigarette S:_o.ke. P.Da, 1055, No. 11 Oct. 17)9 484. ?aLSe^e, A. H., and Young, G. 1:., ,T.Ze DPveloj=cny of a J•::ss SDect_ o-etr 3.c O Analysis of ?izonols in_Tobacco ;•.aolso. io6i, I7o. 3" .7uly 2~". ,.Z 49. Lotaecc, A. H., Young, G. W., and Q~reene, G. B., The Qusntitst_ve Anal sis.= d. =. of Cirm-rotto S~o:ce. Part I. -D.1 .:o. 20 (Sept: 4. w: 50. Lauchtenberger, C., I.euchtonbergor, 3., and Doolin, P. F., A Co:Telated~':~>''a . ., _ ~ . . .. ~_.. 89 iral :-istolo - Cttolocical e~ Cvtoc ho:icsl Stuiv o~' the o f~os"_of 7.:i~e-E:cfloseo tc ~ii~sr3tto '.s~aoke:- I: Bros irit.~i"'d~icaT=:;~>u~i s' _Epitb:i~l Chariges.,,i-I _:!L ce posed to Ci~arette Svo<o_. C.~IzC:.."~~ ii . 1,90-30~i s: ~~ < fcc .p:: .: . . . a~. .. . '..'51. ' ... ..,,., Ir:ucztcn~e_-ery 'C., . Leuchtenberger,. D., Zebrun, ::'., and Shaffer, P., }- A Cor:•e?.ated. ais t oiogical;.•Cvtoloricel anC •C toche..ical Stunv oi' the ~ ~~ •x-~:D2:. ~•~ _ _ , . Trac.heox~oncoi~~ ~ee . oP I~ce ~.osec to Ciaarette 5_ohe. iI. Varv ?.es`onses of i-bjor irror.chi to Cicarette Smoke?, dbsence of 8roncho c =, „`s;. C~-cincca bfter Yr_olonaed a:posure, a Diseppenraace of Bronchial Irssions _::: ter. C.~SSation_ O±' F:.~Orwre. C.~i:C~ ,~?2 , 721-732 *(1960). -' ~i- 0 a ; v M ; ~ <Y:uJ.a 52. L-tLch-t_nberges, R., Leuchtcnb=. ce_^,. C., Zobrua, '.l. ~ eixi Sr.effe+-, P., 1:'cr-elr.te_ -rstolo~ c^.1. Crtolo---'c-!1 and C~o,cz~=ics1 Stu :r of the ':o~°w ~ Q ^~ ~ c c orro nc'~is 1 i`ree of ; 3es ?:.:..~o- ~o-~ to Ciaarette Smoxe. III. tIIMslte_red-Z . w*EL L^.cide::ce of G^, osslv ..a9no-stous LirniT Tiars in se=1-3 Cc -aee :ft er p.'nC w " -: c1 or.reC I»ost~e to Cir:r ette S3crc. C.',i;CM, ~ 9j 9jS ~ 1900 . v 4 X .,~w 53. Lit+.1e, C. C., "Cancer, A Study for Lcymezu, &"::Y"Ca,,~ ~iKf r~ iC.~y 1kft , ---.;-+- 534. Little, C. C., S_o::inc and .T.•sac Cancer. C~:aC---"3. ZM :.ptn ;~ 6, la3-~4 (1%6).~ ~ :t4 N 54. I: t'..le, C. C., 19,56 2evcrt of the Sc_entjfsc Di.-ecto_^. 55. t0/~ 1~ ~o~ . An . •~ Q 01;;..~.,~Y . :4•. . ~ ;J;w?0 Little, C. C., StatozeZt in "Talse• and :Zslrading advertisin,g ` ,.,, ~ (1957), 34-61. ~~~~.. <. _ m Gov=zent Oooraticns, 'ouso of Representatives, 85th Congress, JulF 15-26'~ Ci".rettes )". ?ioar ings brfore a Subca~ittee of the Ca~ittee on :" '~ %~-*=- ,., ~. 56. Little, C.. C., ' 1960 Report of the Scien tiific Director. T 034CC0 , R?aS&KC3 C0:•y, iy60. ~:..._. ~;i.= ~r ` :.~.. •• ^x 57. Little, C. C., 1961tD.eport of the Scientific Director. T03':CCO T.Dt37:-Y R.-•:.h.?C:I CO::~...,~`IQ~ . 58. L:ttle,' C. C., C?.S Rwnori.- - Tn^ iOi-? ce. Te.- v prog:-a=; Col=biia Sroancasting Syste~, Sopt. 12, ~2. of a televisio 51604 7647
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'1 j 1v-. R0d^.Z':1 ap and c .T^n '"+- I--£: r ~ "'"" ' _o~ ~ , , : Y.'.7s, S. ..., . ~ .~ _ _s o~ ~i : _ et. c S ;e Conr•cns~tc • °owcibln ~-n•cursors in ''ooocco oi i',:cnals+in ^ob:cco S•:o::e. ~~- S:a in ~re2,:ratioa. " . ........ ` _. _.. _ . .~ . . .._.. _._ 102. ::ne, F. J. C., Sele~n, :1. h., nnd Cohen, J., Iaccn-lete Ccrc'_nc•P^::z '_r. J _.... C r:arette Saeke Conde:a3te: 11zaur :^~ on bv a~,lenolic 7rc~tioa. :...~, ...... " ~`: C 3:;CM ~ , 623-533 (1~j 9~~. } 1C3. 3oy,:1 Colleg„ of ?a:•szci.ans, "S.•-,oking and Health". i';eu Yora, ;J. Y., Publisai.•:g Cor?., .o . 104. . Ssbo.--, `:. S,, 00.saaa, L. IL, Glcm, J., Pnay, T., a:A L:=b, P., C_rci.^.o.~fA'"~<; of tae L_mm: Revieu of SWCcses. DIS. C=:ST, ~, 330-34b (1962). ..~._._, _,.,...•„_~.-._...-,.-_ _..... • Soustous ~i taclicl _a t:a~sia' .in_~hs .R~ _o- :'rs tor; -~cct--i'ii;= 'e~ics.; 33Ti. J: Cd:: ::.~~, 10 ?.20 ~31 r4? 93*6). ;~ .. . ' f,. ~;O v ` •lOb.' Scnco:ud S=:rwpous :•~plr:si:•: o_ •tfie'Itospirsto '1'ract ~j' '~ ,,...,•,~ ry i.~ae_iu_. AutoSt~3y, p~t 214 • CE_sos. 2. tioa to o~s_cco Szo`.a,.=g"-t'~ccub- ~ica e=c_._:GT:. ~aa 1 ~OL. i•tZC.~C3=CL. SCa; ~: , ~, 47,-61 (l~ o - •- . 107 • • S_nde: •,:c, ,. $c,uraous .;'s ta5~ sia of the So spirEtory ^rs c t :it :o? i• u.. ~i5. Stuoy o: •24 Casas. 3. .~^1"'G1Q~+•tC•.J Ti~!SYe. v... 44. .':'.. , .. . p . ": ^o= _ n (1^.•~~ . - - --- ;'~ F~? a 223-267 1(1;~. S':FJia, D. ::., +~ fi st;:~ct° GnFS:?t j~_!!n «e~c:1,'» F=.~.:•:1 8-•C' st :^..icz 1 %~C: C"sZ.a ~~' i^._~`:e ?r:nchinl ~caso. TTTs:A:• 7 , x y !w G, j.i-~=co Qc~ • _.•~,.:._..._...... , . . ' in ~w 11G. ,~zo?o _.s3er, J.,' `arMaolo~c..1 C'aan-es in the '~_-c::^.:;.onc=isl~cas* c:. ww , ,, ~_-.....~. . / Z~:.Slr r i 5 C_ a. 76.~,.. • t'.:i~`••71~~O:1S• 7 C_C? C~~.'% .~Jvl_ i'.C J :. I .7 .7•, .r.~»I ,..a~.', 1C4 pp• ' , om . V M 111 ~" ' :ea=ue C S cn : .r.. oanc^rsR_zw. cz a~:q_ ,,:.s u C:ita L~ . w Da s'os__:._e .•~ N• C-wCt.•~_..,5 r..- -'_ "'~..'.;= 7A..:._.,~., _ .. Wa T-__o'~ ~co. :._...._~..;...._~..::.. 112. Zre-,- ~ ~ ' ' ad 3:otin ~' o . .... ,..• i7., P81.~, 8 , -•!i~' ~f "ut.~.::~s On Ca1 ~~. : at :d =icus-se c*et Enitheliua. J. M'*L. Cx--.C='.,.:t i• -^., zgf, ~=•79-9 ro i~~,~ ~ ' --------- ~____----- .• r . '-13~ ia :~u.zc;a, B. L. , 3s1bEO ia~ • Gr. • ' , J.' A., and Jose;in, C. 4., c- o a-c trna•n nnterocvc•, ~ics in Ci~rotte S_aite Condensat~:. ~J. 1L. e.1 D 33=61 (1960r: ` a .. ow 114. L'sl.k- e: ,?,. 2., F^osa::or~M~: s c DRte S _~- ir3t ~i•. ics o: ?olvnucle:r.• `To =atic • ..:.r..r.r.f : 1u K.yd: oc:rbans. SI~, I ~51, 'r?o.~ (J'a':. 27) . t- m = llj . rTclle^, :;. W. , : ;3+.E71E si3 of '3"o7C:'liC1 ::zithl?jiu;t ~ c ?bst-:.9_^j..C:. St1lf:v). :.::. J. CLZ:. ?otii0'~~2',, 7r-77/s (1G.5 3). ." .... 116. ~cew, ~. L., Labor^tow~~ C-zt-2bution tc+ the ^o~cco-Cnncr• rr ?.. ' ~. _w . ..V1~ ._...• sV..:~., 170 ~ .\I _ ~ - .tiILI IoCJ. ~~. Ln N a1 0 4M 0 ~ 6L' N
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11 74. .o%l.r--.:_-n, •t., Tne Co7aosition o_`' Ci^•rrite S~p1;s. ZTI. di~ncs. _.._.._ ^ J. C•:G. :•liE::., a., 1916-1§~1. (155c, )• 75. ^r Cin-~_tto C•ndens:to. T. '~fio A., '".im, 4Lnzl ysis • _ ?f?nc„cr Po_oiis Pcx~ anc%o~ Filtcr `~Itericls o.^ ~11Ltinizod ' ~ Total on cal%cr b1u.'aina s.: ve t?c' ::o? ns ,'•b ~ols Co~p: nY) _- .. . _ ~ c ~ .... ... ' ~ . _ ., 16) • 2Y 7u• ~- r•--~....•-......~_- 3or•~:n, .1., i'tr anslvzir nf Ci-,^ettn 8zokp Condensote. nLX. TnQ o~c~_Polscyclic 4rc•r.aic:~croca: bon~. ~i~; ~2il, ilo. P-~t-r-i. :at: _" s,. _ " ' .. ~ 6). . ~ . ' ~0 T 1..\ ~c •~n,.•o.,~ tho,CoToositien,of C{ •,arotte Smoke, S~okiag, and ,. s;;~;x Q ~. a•ksi..a. A.; Tne 5:in3:ino nno r"'.: -lth Problpn'- A Critipl' and a3jectivc o, i-x-sissl. I1J*,:; ,,:;, r~- 0.-520. . O U *, .,..... .7S. -Rod;;rrn,*a., •iad• Coos,'L: C.., ^he knalysT.of Ci~_rptte S~::oLe •Condensste. o. 7.. ine ?olvc?c13c:'Nyc.-oc:rbcn P: ec:.: sors in loo ^~cc _ (D::C.. ?~• 79. ~'~s O n ~te. :Coac~= Sre,:..aa; :.., "d Ccok, L. C., :zA :.-i^lZ;is o± CiCrrettP S3oke i _ _ '~C. 31) 0 7_T?. S:,lc::esol, and SolenAsyl dcatctA. ~~, ?.,,~ F, No. .2? ( . . . E0. ~ _. _._ , . . ?a;:z•-ian, :.., and COok, L. C•, 7n_V,C:=,ositir,n o f Ciar.rEae_5 _I. }.-.wa D' Q $^12J~:s':1 wCQt: te. 1 1C'3alrC0 2, r.6-8o (195 ifn 01. :icc •g:L::, :.., and CooL, L. 4:-1rsi: c°_ Cirrstts y._o:e Ccn:icnsated . u• : F- Z. o:.Qw 2. 2°) . ::I. a-_ccon!:?_ol. ZA~, ~~, ito.. 23 (S 2P2. Co.^.•xsitioa o!' Cia-rette S-:olce• IV. 3odS'-..~n, A., and Cook, L. C., Zlt y X w '•z o wLU - c-T Oco•)J. °ro1. TO3sCCO SrlGi:w, (ZC'6ll). 0 m U ~.~. E3. Rod--mn, A., *.nC Cook, L. C., zlp A^•elvs;s cf Ciccrette Sa!ts_Conci,r:_ste. ` " s ' r'o. eW:l. 1).. .= ~ N XIiI. Sclrreolide fro.* __ '`ur'.{ sh :obc cco S:make. . RD., 1,~ 84. ?.ooS=r., A•, and Cook, L. C., L%e : n2l,7sis of Ci,7arette S_oke Con.^:ansate. •y - PsL1,YE?.~•ic ~a•'tic iJvdroccrbon s. s~.~, l~C~G I:o. 2Q :S3Y.2~. 85. Rod-mn, A. , aind Cook, L. ' C.; T,~ ,% ; enilvsis_of, Cigirette Smo:c densaj~e • RVII• Tnp ~'fect of elu^..is~T~L~^or,ed ,Cstolvsts or Total Folyc;r ic ._.._.,. _.__.... ~ ~ hnsoc; roons. Tot 1 olids~nd ?Jicotiz~tRM, °,•_54, Ito. 3e (MC. 2. . , .... ~......._._.~ _ 86. Rodg--n, A., and Cook, L. C., The An.lvvs` s o!' Cimrette S.:oke Co.^.c?E.zscte. Cb3.oranil bnd 2,•4t7-Tr..ai`,rofluorencns as ri.lter s^ia -!dditives. -- RD3, 1260, No. ?1. E7. ?.odg=an, A., and Coo::, L. C., Tne i.nalysis of Cip"rotte Sme%e Condeasae. 7-;6'. .: hote on the, No.-=1 Lon3-c:'isir.3d• x=ir.~='9 ~lco'riols:~da BdCancua`to ?J3, 1~60. -1 ,q61-ido. 5-(J.*l:. 2. '~ . NZ) :._ui t~-m
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_ 1 . , , I^-c=:.1'etc: _Or of the w_;'er:ce ` ci'La= e ~ wZ s...or.z was tnP cause ,,,::e o+ cause, etc. , ane nr~any ,~: te= reviewing s eviden cz , 'ti': F. ~:_ 6 nr,n ;~ CovErn..^.e :ta1~~ aZ~,r.::ies ~ er.~ ..eiic4l societies tl:rou,Y:ou y the world have conc_uc:ed t:,:~t t';.~ it was. sufficient to establish a ceuse-and-zt'~'~~~ct rcl~:tio:::::ip riL zUCC?ri ci~_•nr~'ttPp sl:oian~; ,, and ca::•ce= o_ the luat.':one• sT.ate:. t::at, p , : Z a edbad the rcle oS air po'__u,,4r.,,s in the increased ir.ciae::cz. UT o f':1ur.E ca::cer. hone suggested th :t research on all other i actors be cropt ed -in S4vor of a concertEd stud;; of c_Carette s~~o}•:e. ?, .fi. - mhese...4-e: 'cir.s.._inzluded the ~ritisa i:ir.istry of etc. z : ro :curca:e:as : it;le (56) Sciea~i_:c ~ Q u 1 ...,, x ~ ".:E r.o ;:'ir.d o•:t '= o- ove=-sicod i"ied and ::=rhr.~s st'pEr=icial c:rc=~~ •o:.:, as .o causation. ~':ca an a; t_t::de on:y st__3e or delay neeciz.d :~sen= ch t of;,:.d the 'Ziasic c=iain s of luna; cancer a nc c:k=:i:.ovascu:a: d:seas=s, :::!:ch are -_,ost powerful, c • - l • .^,o4::ci1 (27 • ) , .t'r_e ' Danis:: Jcint. Corc:.ittee of the DGr._sz :':.t:onal : ' Hi, z T=e~lth Service,' h Ga::cer Society, and t2:e Dar._s :::ed:c`i +=' :lssoc_ation. (20)', _i:vti cnal C=.nce_ I nsti :,utz cS Canada (27"; , e i.Tetherlands i:anistry' o: Social A:"Lairs and ?ublic 'r.eal t': (27' )., :;DD ~. t:~e Ror al Cclle~;e'~ ot ?::~•sicians ( It. =ritain) (103; , e :'n _te3 :o ~ tates ., Vud;•Gr ou~on Sco~:i::~, ar _'ea:t~: 1957 (271)9 ~ L Q v~n „ra .. _,.ec States ,:blic : ealt". Service (27"), t:e '.:'tir'_d Health 0r; an:zaticn--o : l ri-^e^`or ''T-~" e a=a x Nu : e: c:f=z3 ard deaL1; enenies to ou= ~rei -beiab ::ar %,;. \ k:ll t::e;; oc solved by =esoluticas or oy review• co=:-_ ;,tees that coace=n thecselves soy ely with ~s::z:;es tive cr 'incor.plete• data." :: ~ aresen t in ' the Uni ;.ec --tC-A tes, t5is evidence is uncie_ two ;;:cups, • •_ .i.::. J ` .... .. _the...._.~me=i.ca:: Caest. _ 2: • s:.cia:.s S y iiealth (27'), the~SurSac:. General's Advisory Comcittee cuts:or sumcarizes ^.e$e c;:in ions. U'1 H Ol (S) v W am t':e British ::edica3 ?esea: ch'>y~;=o . I.,_ ZC WW 7 v
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/ Do tkrr a.ccept the priiuiple that public health is larasro.ait to all els~e~~ and would they issue a p.61ie aUteunt speluat 'this out? aealt r•oo.masa. E•eryone pcesent aha2,eheartediy aareed to this principle and readi2,t caasented to iride;prsad dissemination of a sound statesent of pCialciAp• Distribution oi' soch a stitsent it xas aareed rould probably be 8.e first sterp 3n the pablic rel,ations pzogrsa that Hil1 and Knowlton Do tl.e companies eonsider that their own Ldver- t3sift and ea.p.titive practices have beea a pdacipal factor in creatin= a health problem? The companies vroieaitarily admitted this to be the case even before the qsrestion .ras asked. They have inforwal],y talked over the problem anli vi21 try to do something about it. They do, however, point out that this is the one important public relations activity that n.i=ht very clearly fall within the pirvirr of the anti-trust act, •Aeeordingl,q, it is doubt- ful that .re wi21 be able. to nake any formal reeosnendation with regard to aQ.ertisisg or selling practices and claims. Xill the companies agree to sponsor new re~earch which xill provide definite answers to the charges? A clear-cut answer to this question was deferred for the•ti>se • being. The eoerpan.ies all say that they are carrying an much more research in their own laboratories and are sponsoring eore research at hospitals and umiversities than is generally recognised. They believe that rrhen we are acquainted with all of the scientific and factual materie3 in the hands of the cop+panies t w.vlll agree that the major problem is to disseminate information on hand rather than to conduct new research, s earr~, However, John Hill did not agree to this and emphaticaily,Yarned the coapanies that they should probably expect to sponsor additional re- _ -- '. extreseJy serious and rorthy of drastic action? The ar.sihtr is obviow since the companies have eet together for the fir.t'time since 1039, since they have proqptly proceeded to retain Hill and Rnorltor, and are already considering such expetvive techniques as the use of in,ltitu:ional advertising. They reeo`nise the possibility that it might be desirable to nse institutional advertisins to promote the basic statement, - Ln ~ ~ m ~ J m PHW01539
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to thc laws o2 NeW York4 'I'h= is no utlIcr -state wllic.h h-U sgrtaccr iltlc.tcst in thr applic-•,.p oC iu laws to this vasc. 'l1ua, thc cnurt wil] apply New ~'ork law in its determination of thc anorIICy-clirnt privileLe issues presentcd. TI). llist~_n A. (a,ttnrneY-C' ient Pri.%>!e,,,ce New Yori:'s pmvisioa for ti+c privilege is found in New Z'ork Civil Yrucaic;e: Law:c uncl Ru1cS, ¢ 4503. wLjCh in relevattt psrl stateS: Unltss the client vwtivrs the privilege, aa suorney or his emplos er . .. who abiaias ... a wnf dentaal commtuticatioa ... msde bctwrtn the attoraey or his employee and thc client in the a+urxc of profcscional tYaployment shaii not disciose, or bc allowrd to dLsclosd suLh'costuntatication, in auy actian.... N.Y. Civ. Prsc. L:,w ~ 4503(a) (McICi=ry 1992). The party a.uertinr the privileg,c has the burden of establishiag all the eventi.a1 elCments. C^eM= tiYer= LtrrnatiorLl Ct]m_ v_ C,tictaet.! Bsnk. 575 N.Y.S.2d 509. 79 N.Y.2d 371. 581 N.lr:.2d 1055 (N.Y. 1991); Peoa!e v. Mitc c1L 461 N.Y S.2d 267, 58 N.Y2d 368 (N.Y. 1983): Mijtter of S+rand , jury ' cLbflc Strved t1-,-- $36 A'.Y.S.2d 926, 927. 142 Misc.3d 229 (N.Y. Sup. 1983). The apnliubility of the pri vilegc should t+a determiarcd on the ('ects 11 sutruuudiul; tach individual ease. Hle_r v. Bgrulich_ 557 N.Y.S.2d 833,1t3S. 147 Misc.2j 502 (N.Y. Ciry Civ. Ct. 1990). The Court ofAppeals has set down the following priaeiples srbroriiin; the protcction ul' tfw privik-& . •`(.igseu's c~utisel stiQtsJ argtmncast stated that CTTt was citbcr a ttion-prol'it cotporitian or a mcmbcrship ca:rporation fornwd taadet New York Ja%s Although i.iggctt's counsel msdc post- arrumeat submissions, there was no funbcr elsrifieation provided on this issuc. Ln 10 ~ ~ m ~ ReceivEd Timi Mir. 20. 10:0:" PHW02529
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1" For ssmple, Zlr, Umbn reported that one ft" they had considered was ths IFRobacco rodustr7 Caaitb.* for Pobl.ic Inforstation," John Rill sngaested that he felt the .ord vrassarch* should appear s.long with «Wormation« in the title of the oo.aittee, • IZI• ThA~dustr7's Position Tbs industry is strongly convinced that there is no sound s ci eatiSic bas is for the cbwgss that hsn been arads. They belisTe lbtt .;, the .ore s.osatLesal ~eoe~ttie.a in !fi* reosat papers .rere preaatme ii'ad in sa.e euss l~ip"etaat pWW2loity is wued in tse hoQea of at#ractiac taes!s md asppaet i'br t1rtber rsssovh. They pois:t out that the National taacer Institerte of the D. S. Pnblic Health Adaizistratioae which is a Eo..rasent agency and supported by Cosgressional appropriatioass has officiallJ refuted the tie-up between cigarette saotinE and c.aeer. . Ne.rrtb.lass, they rsali.te that the industry should not engage aer.ly in a defensive wapai=n, replying to and answering individual research papera or auagasine artieles. They feel that they should sponsor a public relations caaipaitn which is positive in nature and is entirely "pro-cigsrettes," They are confident they can supply us rith comprehensive and authoritative scientific .atsrisl which completely refutes the health charges. They are also szphatic in saying that the entire actirity is a long-teru, continuing- prograta, since they feel that the problem is one of promoting cigarettes and protecting them from these and other attacks that may be expected in the future, Each of the company presidents attending emphaaized the fact that they consider the protrsm to be a long-tern one. , ZT. Jtesponses to Questions ' _...~ . The compaaiss' answers to questions put thea by John Rill and the undersigned provide taluable baektrotimd. They are as follows: 4.- _Itill_xhe_ci=at~tta-~oepaaiss-.ortaniss-#heassl.ea - - _._.--.---- ~ iato an association publically annoanoedt which .rill openly•sponsor their public relations ab~tirities t , . The companies replied that they had no desire to set up a sooke screen or *irontM type of organisation, They are'perfsct?~q Yillina to sponsor any statements that may be issued or any institutional advertising that may be recoa+aendsd and approred. - 11 pHW01538
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26(c) r.:d. R. C:iv.'t'.; and t}u; Civil JLLstirx Expcnsc and lleluy Rrduc;tiun Plsu (l;.f.).N,Y,) § Thc woric product ptivilrLc is not ipplicable. E t1{~yr.{u! R.rt_t~f ~t ThC ctisnc-Lnud exception upplics "to communic;tionr mzdc in furtherance or frsuduleut . oc.otcr. h unlawful acts."- ifS+7~'-~a 385 N.Y.S.2d 449.450 (N.Y. Sup. 1976). The proponent of the crimc.5ywd exception must c=blish: (1) ptobable cattie to bc1leve tfut i crime ur frattd has been artempteRi or comtnitted; and (2) probablc cause to beiieve t}wt thc commtsaications wrtti in tuthctaace thueof. ljbiled St_etcs v= 2_olin. 109 S. CL 2619, 105 L.Ed.Zd 469,491 U.S. SS4, S63 (1i?89): yc,e afsQ 1n sr Gtxnd f» IqtbP=e W-K Tec r* Dsted c~,~* I~, 198IO T 1 F.2d 1032,1039 (2d Cir. 1984). Thc t' psrty socklng disclos= mtssi show tb.it "a ptvdent person (husl v zcxsc,a;iblc basis to sucpect a puDevstinn ar azsemptMd perpatrasion of a crime or fraud and thai the communic.-Wcuis were in tiu~ce thereof.' In , re Qd 1{•v CUbMena nuccs'I' = I}ated Sentemher l S_ 1 y83 . 731 F.2d at 1039. T}tr. =itac-ftaud ex+:eption also appliex to •'intcnlicJUa1 toris t5oored in fraud" C.ms•y, v- i[(jmn Ira=m. s_, 90 F. Supp. 1 S0,151 (S.D.N.Y. I994). '!t does not require prnof of the commission t+f:m aaunl fiUur1. Cnoksev v Hihon lnteM Co.. M= $63 F. Stspp. at 151. The ejime•fraud exceptiva also applies to comaiuaicztioiu which nrc claimcd to bc privilcged under tb,a wdrk.prodwx doetrine. 1 :.r.14-Srt+ nMa dni7 5.36 N.Y.S.: d t6r927•2tiAALY. Sup. I yY8)(citing ~e Jo r Dee .orfl.• 675 1L'.2c14l12 (2d Cir. ._ ,. _ . 1982k jare C~„o1ed j= 676 F.2d 743 (D.t:. Cir. 1952 )). Ln LiggMt as9uts'that the 5acktnatu have not mea th{:'u cvideatiary burtilrn w cstabltsh ~ 1S iteci,W T1=E h'.::. 2 0. 1): 6:'* J': PHW02537
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SCf. ; d T : Atn..A 4••••• , d• 1 7r•.,u Tobacco InclLLctr}•'s t~xtemal ltese:ut:h Program, " !eu al oCt},c Ameri=n MedicM As5neirr,;nn Vo1. 274. Nu. 3. 211, 242 (1995~see n1:a T)cx:umcat No. 33 at RC 6033346. B. ('nm; -Iling Puhlic Policy IrLerest. $eauire l)isclcuun This cu.•4c talls with,in the =exption to dtic New Yorl: aztcwrncy-client privijcge since therc is a compell•inr public pol:cy iasereat which mandatnc disclosure; namely. aa overriding concern with protecting the public health. The attoroey-clicnt priQcte is nvt ab,colutc. ln oa Uppropriate easc it murt yield "whgre strong public policy requires dis<aosurc" pjj&;jL j== S 1 N.Y.2d at 62, 431 KY.S.2cI at S11; qCt alsfl. ilnitcd S:Wet y- Cmlcbcrs= & 1)uhin P 935 F.3d 501, 504 (2d Cir. 1 w 1 )(utorney-clicnt privilebc "=nnot stand in the face of r.ounretvailing 1sw or stronr • publi: poliry"); Ltt'<"d'--'-- irc= v. cliance 1nt_Co,, 1011'.R.A. 674 (S.D.N.Y. 1913) ~ (rocozni7ing tf= a szrcmg public policy raay Trytrire disclosure); xs3L~ I-eonen v TUbr.s- anvillc. 135 r.R.D. 94 (1).N.7. 1990)(vrtete the Wtat in aslxstos litigarion orc7aed disclc*.r.zre , ofdacsrnentt clairued to fsll within the attorury-clicnt privilege under Ncw JerYey'c morc ru•inent public policy txecption, where the ducumcnts miy dcmorastratt howledge of the health risks associated with its luvc3uLt). ~ ~ A cc+cmrellinL tntaest in public health requirea disclosure of the documents. ~ ~ m C. Je,:nt L) ense Privilrg_ °~ New York Oflrds thc parties' st=d atu+rney-clicat eommunlcations privil*,e status when made for the pttrd~c of `mc+untin8 a common defense." r=e v. Usnrie, 15 N.Y.2d K0. • -- , ~ 549 N.F_2d 1123. 550 N.Y.S.2d 612, 615 (N.Y. 1959); see idy; $rlui y- II r+dere._rer- S86 K YS.2d 2'1Q 272, 1 YS A.U.2d 300 (N.Y.A.D. 2 Dep't 1992Xrecurnizina the exiaence uf thc joint dcfttue privilege tmdu New Yolic law). It applics where `multiple pnrties um repi+esccnted 14 Rece;ved Ti:,e 1it.20. 11:35AM PHW02533
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-1- ..'°ic,;,e ca tP. ~,;Gry as so::Q r E t_ ospe c tive _uns cc,:.ce_-s.':o_:in~: stya).Ps, i.e., careful but 1imited, The Sevf-nth Day %%d•%e-^.t-s;. study of '.~"ndcr et al. (120) provides serious argu:.ient for the constitutional hypot'r.esis. Other contradictory data were provided by tr.,: iarai6r4 tior (aad also retrospective ) stuc:ies ';` o ., of 2:stcott t3i) in New Zealand and Dean (23, 29) in South :>z .^:...: . ^~~- ._,ea .,e studies cor.ps.. _ed national aver _abes oj„L consuccption with lung cancer mortality data for in=igrants ~, no:.i:..~i.~;r un„ s..~i;runi „s. I.e., in the lung cancer victims the aci ,.ual s,ao::in5 habits -of immig.r._an-ts,_..to_Ne.k ~ea.hand- an,: •New ~ealarid-~orz.:'~~'? :.._ ..._.. - -.._...._,...__.. persoas 'uere not knotim ; si wilar.ly .or 'the Scuth Afri can stuc;r: .:: 'j' ~ o~.: . ...W . o~ To 4a2=d.ae his findings; Dzan. (29) obtained sDol:ing data • O hrs sc_m=e by •questionnaires addrzssed' to. the next o: fin, a practice decried j.n severalf of the retrospective lung cancer- '; VZ " .. ~ s:_orcin- st;:.:ies.. I;eyerthe:.ess, the results 'of these studies (28, 29, 31)ca.^ account for onl;:, a snall fraction o: t:ze cance= i: c; cer.ca observed between s:..okers and noZS=o::e: s. U tr. TThe statistical data fron the lunb cancer-spor:i::C st~~die ~~.m ~ are al.:,ost universally accPpted. The majority of scientists a&e&a ~ u. ~ tr.ese dtca as i~d_cat_ve cf -h de~;ree of associstioa or a ~ a~ cassz-an d-ef_ect re_aticns ;ip between lung cancer and smc.:_ng. cn ~ .:.oR.raTe=s7 is provided by =isaer (34, 35), 3er:s:,:. (_4), -i,,Y1ewW (53A), Greene (37and others. 1:ore 'will be said about their ~~ pm co.:..:.2n4s in a suICsecuEn`.• section. 'Vt= ~ . Af ;e: more t}arn ten years cf argt::aen : of:::o_~- _::- r•.e .ho :o-o,n .sampling bias, retrespective vs, proszective s',•.y, ia.~a_atic :;:a~oA noainhslation, real vs. apparent increase in lunb car:cer incid~nc •. <r- • •^ f ; . ~ : oshort butt-ler.~-t:~ vs. lcng-tutt leZgtr, eL vc. , cr_L#.icis;» o_ t:.).-3e.V,,.a _ .• aa stZ:y_es has b'een reduced to the dictum A sta''~i_~_ ~i ~ c _' ' s ''~•..• u ' c ..: •• ~f= .. ~.....~.u O :. Drove a caus_e~-a.d-effect realtic,as h.iu, bF t:•~:eAr~tuc ::ac:.crs. o,,, b. Pa holog~ical Data The following observations have been made: .24 (a) Ci;;arette smokers' s u::Ss show profound ce:.1L:a: -ci:n n~es &D (squanous aetap_asia, basal-cell hyperplasia, and ac:e= v zt~pias) which are proportional to cigarette consumption (4), these changes decreLse *gressively in the iL nas of ex~-cigarette smokers in proportion to the zi:ne ir.terval 51604 7631
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-i- Cr...~. C:•:T!-r!c Ir: i`.~?c! luil• F?' 1 c1_la^,I`"' .^.i."c. g ca:: be _-_ :4. ~ ` • • ~f? O -%C,c '.QA.* \. '. ..:T,r'^S t:`: G'.t7::A, ' T: Ce_Ce thr .~.? C':a.^."?: '.."?:' occur , . i.^ _t::.~'s and ini 2^£.C. (::'~. +^ ...'1e c~.r,ce _-r'~ r,.e t •::Pr'` C161, "- ^s, A^;; -ir.cF' it i not t•-':^,,her t:•ese c':a^i ea cp.11s c. . Cig`recte s..o~:e condensate is a powe==u1 ;~ro:..or=n~,-. (or ~' ~ , ',z D - 0m cc -~rcinc,Ea_c) a;ent ~or no=y cyclic bn-d_oca r'.;o::s UR ~ ~ Inha_a -zicn studies w=t:^n cigarette smoke have ;; ieldeC a.^. •:, onasno~g~ _ncreased incidence of ad,~onas in adenona-susceptibleA s:. ::;;Z ~. -;32, 61). No ht:nan-type carcinowas have beern produced althou;;}.~ Ce_lalar char.ges and broricr.itic conditions have (50-52). v: wo. ,.. _: =t is ir.t2rest:nK to consider the studies of Ca:apbell (see i-: lunr, cancer caur--.ti or.. C:.acCc?^ou8, cl"z^ey,,e ''-:Q11'Z, y;ie"'R'ore, is not he on'-, fi.ctn_^ Jioiosical > ta Ci;,;:re ~te s:r.o~:e cor.ca^sate is carc:no~era~c to mcase s~:~n il 12 . .;!'v..:i:7ML.. ..oS ti_e ht:r.arn exposure. C?ther..-invzs`=~;a tors -?-il:e -?asse;; ;--Or_ ;~' :dcr~%W ; ._ _._.._ •. - --•----- • ~. ,t~+-. ar.d Eiller (27'•) c'.id not obtairn positive results with dosabe levels: Soice _a~erpretl~erpret t ..his an indicaticrn thaV ci-a_•2tteo G, snoke is not -carcinogenic. It . s::ou'_d be noted, however, th :t ~cc _. > `` ^ sz ~ •h-.. =ar.y' atter;pts were made to incuce cancer in animzls wr_th coz._ .'-..axa•Z. prior to the first suc..ess with t::_C:~Iy urreai_stic ncsa-es (i2I)¢. ~ •. ~ . Q ~ . ~ rerinaway (4ZL) cbmmentz'd or. t?:ese r.entive _inci•^.cs as =ollo~a •`~ "~n "The erp;la sis laid u =on tha collected nega yivG 'rEsults :Q '~ 0of paiJ:tlr.s eXDeriGC::ts tro.a var'_ous laboratoo=ies, al:.: IDore or less exlici ~ suEes t.lon that these d:scredit 'Z ~S ~r' N;;ncer's~2sults........ , si:~;2est t .at..... , w: e=e s:~o:an~ :~~ is conze_r•ed, t.tie cor.parisorn of evidence Sro:a r;::; and --=cA U;a a:=-:al smaw not • ai i•:a-s be co^'iL c zed w_ -z;a co:..p? z -:a i.:.p::= ~i8==du v ~ use ,, .1r. 6 ..F;. GOSa;,e e_ . .. L.-a.,,;,. •o.. s `~ 4~4-% . ~ is mad- oS the `'aci t~ ~` t'~1 excee'' ~ 1 ' = os_tive results ; if obtained by le~;itirrate :je=ras, W w \ m'Js~ ~aft ee p_zced'eace of ::et;a.,ive ?`esults." z0 w iu a~ An. SuCiura, t:1ynder et 1. :~~ m "This author reviews the studies b.y Passey, Orr, Moore and ':i.ller. "::is author reviews the studies by Croninger and Suntzeff, Guerin a nd Cuzin, Koprowska, 1•;oore and Bock, Orris et a__. , ` V •/ w N N V4.C ti.+.C it r .. \ ..•~r.1. . ..- - V_a -j
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xicnti2ic v-sJuc- rs,d wa,y dcvoid of any coAwrn with Puhlic hcath isue,. T.ilyc;tiniplicitly arl;nowlcdgcs the Iack of auy ittdehcndroce in C:1'R'a guuis with respCCt to SPccia! Yrvjects by w4crting " the projects wcn: wndertakeit tu wiat in the defensc Uf anticipatcd litiL-4on agsinst merr,hcr tobacco cornp:utiicx. l'.izgcrt asseru that the scicntiats :und/ur medicil physica:uu ittvolved in Spaciul Yrnjccts rcsearch were Tier to publiah their =csulu. L:xamples of suctt publishir.Ys reflect t3at, although a project was identified by tt Spcxial Project P_roJctt was.unti~KLti:en fot~ trant number, thctc was no sraumcnt tlat the ' purposes -of defesuc ii~ litiguticui, ncar N~s thcrc any indic,asioa t2>,t the prmject had not been arprovcd by ttu; SAR. Liggett cla;rns tty: uttvrney-cticnt, joiat defertfe and attoanny wnrk•product pritileges asscrtiab thnt L lR Spxial Projects was famckd by the iadividLni tobar.co companiez on the advice or their wunmJ for ptuposuc of defcndint uaspcxific but anzicipatw litig-etion. 1'tcvious litigation in Nrw Jeaa,ey invofvcd thr 123 documents invulved her+e, in additiua '~ to mstty oth.'ra. In H;iryrs ~v irgett,~'*rntin_ Ine- the f6de,ral magisttateaudKe sppoituod aNTAxiul taactu to review over 1500 ductunents rclatinL to CTR and tbe variocu tobacco wiapaniCs narracd as dcfcr,ctsnts,2 including Ligrcn. 'lbe spocial ma.~tcr formcl that the documeats were protccicd by the astor=y-clicnt ptivilegc. The M4sttazc ludgc conlirmed tbds and Curther found that thc documentv. did not fall within the crimr•lraud cxceptioa. This dccixinn Wzs rcversc,l by th,: Diatrict Court, 8,1ino v. t.ig=, ' ua inc, 1i0F.R.D. 6R1 (T).NJ. M2)(th= Dietrict Judge nu•r Circuit ludtt'S:aukin), an'the ground thut thcre was satple evidence to support thc rlainriffs' claim that Spacj,ot Projecta Mrax part of a public relitions fravd papstrated on an "'Ihe other tAbscco aompanics are Phillip Morri,;, Inc. and K.1. Reynaid.< Tobacco Co. 3 ?eceivet Time Mtt.20. PHW02524
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j7be uiiomcy-client) rclstiot:ship uriscs cmly wtun uLw cAai=t.rt un sttorAcy in his rapacity as such for the purpvsc of ubtaining lcraJ 3,dvic:c: or servuxi ... Saond, not all c;ommtmieuions to an attorney are ptivilebcd. ia orda to trk,kc a %-dlid claim of privilcZ;e, it must be sbowrr thau the iaformsion sought to be protoctrd f7vm dlsclasure wds a'confideatis,J communicadon made to the ar.t+rncy for ihe ptuyose ofobraining legal advice cu serviccs'. ... Third, the burden Qfprovinb r,,clt clement oftbe prMlege rcm upon the party asserting it. ... Finatsy, evat wttero the tcchnical requirtmeat, arlbe privilege ure =isfied., it may, ttiocxthrlass, yulcd in u proP_er c*sc..wh.atR.ewang pu6ltc j+oilicy rcquires disclostuc. P=ieff y., iI_cam«!+. 431 N.Y.S.2d 511. 51 N.Y2d 62, 6i-69, 409 N.E.2d 993 (N.Y. 1980). Stc-cf.1-gn,bdaucr nf+rand JLr*y tuhwSw cf Slewnn; S4S N,Y.S.2d 974, 977, 144 Misc.2d 1012 (,N.Y. Sup. 1989). The atcvrney+clirnt privile8u utends to in!'oamation giv4a by the clieat to the aLwracy, as „ we11 aL'profcuional advicv given by an eltorncy that discloscs such inforznarion." ja re S,iZ C-an 1u="RViIn6Isss. 979 F.2d 939. 944 (2d Cir. 1992), at- denird Itib narn.. Xn C;orti. v. 5,L$„ 113 S.Ct. 2997. 125 L.Cd.2d 691 (1993) (citin8 itflio r f'eyv- jJ iW-,Itttec_ 449 tt.S. 3a3, 390, 101 S.CL 677, G83, GF T..F.d.2d 584 (19S 1)); Rossi v.111 ue CmS,i snd 131oc ,~Shirld of UWater 11 tir-w- York, 342 N.Y.S.2d 508, 510.73 N.Y.2d S8R, $40 N.t2d 703 (N.Y. 1989). The New York Cvtiat of fippeals has deascn'bcd the requi,cite IeSal eharatter of the ~omsvwtication required: 1n ordar for the pcivilege to apply, the cumquwicatipn from auorney to cliezu mutt.bo made'far the Durpose of facilitatiag lhe ratditic+n or legal advice or servjces, in the cuunc of a profeadonal rclationsh ip.' RQ-Mi _y_ 010 Ct<= A Hl M Si Id 73 N.Y.2d 388, 593, •Ss3 N.Y.S.1ir-3..0$, 540 N.fi.2d 703. The comatttoiwtion iwrlf mutr be •. a....i . .. b=lin , S71.N.Y.S.2d at i 14 (eitutioa omlaod Thus, tbc privilege only to;ses xtea "i Detwn c,ontsess an atwtrey fot the ptttpoxe ot.obreining 11 d''' e Mt r 2G 10: 0~ PHWO?"b30 ~ ~ n R . ece:ve .~
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.,. -_.,- 'a:• ,.:,e.'.bC•`r of tl:e :.ci.- ; c ... c^.....eatec 4v) on t'.:;. cor.clLC ;o:zs o.L itudY Crou,.) on 23mo;:ing and t:ealth: . :,. e, In-5? t;. .. _, ^T .. I ^ -- ~ I .^. . "The s~a"%*1?.».eI:1U...... to the el=ect, that 'Me .s.u:n ;,~~tal o~ scientific evidence establis:~-.es beyo:.d reas~inable doubt that ci,~,-arette zro;:e is ;: causal factor in t::n i ncraasi n; i:.c-Lde7:cZ c,L epide_^cid cn:.ce= ork the lu.^.;;' Xteprese nts r: view i•:i th ul.ic:: we ccncur." Litt?a, :cienti~ic Director, T~:'.C, stated in 1947 (jj, c~. 5i! :qw:Zp.. _ 1thoL;;: no definitive evidence CAZS {yiJ concerai nC "~ &n ; the . el;.ti-on- -bet-%vee:1-.e t!-~2 - luric cancer, it uould seem unwise to Si11 the lu:,;,s ' a~ SeDec ieG~l3' 1:ltt: t!'iP. :'>Js )e:1Sio.^. o~ Sinv' ~&~ i.i c.es J^ ;r^o V~~ tobacco products of +r::ic:~ sno=.e consis ~s. It ; s di= `'icu:t ~ -• to se:: X1 ow-•-such pax~ticles can be prevented from beco:~inC ~~'=) t : loase.: in the wa_ls o= the lungs, and when so ? oca zec, " o` how t:ey can avoid crcducir_3 a certain anour.t o-C irritaaon.~ `. ~- One rioa also question the ultiwate results cf cor.t'_nued in.;alc:tion of .the t;,•pe of ,ar..os~-,:;e re,:;ere e:,:ac^ c: a=~cter:zes " •o c t;e lo.:er ].cve.1s of ci tj' s z?''eets. :i:pe.ire n tal uro_i: C wit : a nir.cls ir.vo'_v_n3 t: cse matte= s is s til: incor.c_LS_ve , d U M :.ut i t seeIIs p=:.bab3e t:4t tY:e iu:~;; as an cr~.aa is n:.t :Z :~N a.^d d i=,Lr.e to the e!'_ect o_ c.`._on=c irri;.atio n an d that it tu V•:_11 in t?:is respecc _•eze-c.le t: e other or=u•.^ s^s o_ t:tc °("~. :::c: bEi:,E ti.e cF.se, tid: ;do « in avoiding u.^.receSwa_y Z ~ w _L:.' --:.`a z Z ~io n 3Ge:~s tJ ;re e5.`.~_:rI_ s:.e: . n V Q U W•J_ce rG ce.• v1.% (5E) ' ~LU ~ ZC ". . . i:: c:~e 'i,rs - Dlace we do n't criticize t::e st: c_stic~= ~~ P s. 'ae believ.? t:zt :::e;; were ha:.es tly o:;tc:i ne:: an c o m snow, un d:r t::c co:,di tior.s t::a t t::E;; were collected, u Fr corrE:at_on tir: ic : is suspicious enou5:h to rakce it in N :: . -= =_ve t: a ; r::r;,her = esearc:: be ca_rizc o :. . . . . . " ~ o :ueFc_ -, l o:.g a pro.^.on er.t of the iun6. caa cer-air pollutar. z rro?)cs: t_c: , r.ote:: (~2) . .G__ni:.e a«oLa-. ot 'reservatior_ is indicated in acceat_::a w=. c1::; zs advar.ced by some parties concerr. ^;, the = c•ic of as a:_r2ct or indirect iactor il: :.1'ae V 6Y; O cct::,at_cn o: lur.~ cancer. i.evert .eiess the .typE-.~ n:: Gr,our.t D N :._ 3 i iGe nce on this ma t;,er on ::and justiSi es tn2 co:.c3-us_o n ~a ,: cisa=ette smokinE; :-,"-:z con tributed to or a-oravatec the ac;,:c n o'L ot: e_ carcinogenic respiratory pollutants by Pro;:;;cin~ especia:ly ~Lnctional distLr:.a::ce sa::ces in the bronc'._:._ -:ucosa........ ~ a,ould be ::ost Lnt:isa , on the ot: er h::^.c _: t:.rou-:~ an exaggerated P..p'.:asis a:aced orn the signi=icarcL V ~J Ol . W w C0 N
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6EhT BY: YcACz 3004; 3•19-96 a:56PY; t-3- 816 635 e966; by acp,rstc 1cr;ai ~:c~unscl but sharti; a comman interests about a lcgsl matter" but "doe~c not cxtcnd to cummuMcarianx ubout a joint busiacss ctratcgy tfut haprms to includc a u,%nccrn about liti~3tion.- w:<txh v. N rthrmn C',n~ rn n. - F.R.D. -, 1996 WL 75819 ~t `2 (E.D.N.Y. t996)(uilxtions c+mitited). Since the ar.vrnry-ciicot l+ri.ilegt does re+t apply hcsc bctween Ct individual wunxl and clicttL for tbe rex%ons^smLed above, it Qaias sso further rcxAzaiti~n from _ thc i:ut that it wus a joiat or collestive undcttahing. Walsh recognbes th+tt attarnsys eanrat br utilicaJ as condum of non•lcgal commtmiution between parties clziating the joint dcfc,ase twi•z1czc;. !d` Lirrea': joint dcf= sc privileYr theory faiis becatvice Liggett aod the tither lwbsuo comp:alcs used their att+orncys-for non-leg~f ptupescs t}mt involved i joiat public rolador~ busincss sarategy ta'pa+omotr the economic intrrests of their clicau. To thc extrnt thst thtse t.rojecu may have htert of assistanc= in future litigailon. such a benefit was iacideatul or *cconcLzry tu thA: pritaary goal. D. a'or+s-Pmd ~ .t F~riyll~e Liggctt claims thst the work-prudurt priviktc protects all but one of the docurnents 11 submittrd for jD r,-n ~ inspcctioe 1bc applicability of tAe work product privilege in a divcssity c.ast ic grwerncti by fedet'al (ftar. IIewne of Nek• Ynrk City_ lnt. y„,&m_Rxse C'nrn., 161 F.1tU. 36g, 363 (S.D.N.Y. 1995). SM Pederal ttulr of Civi1 Procxdute 26(bX3) s 6 ,. `LigQctt doct ac;c assert the Mork-product privilege for dcacumrnt No. 17. 'l~~e,iera~ ttule of tavil Prucalurc 26(bX3) provides: • a psny may obtain documonts . . . rnqwavd in 4uaticipuiop oF litiguion ... only upon a showing tbat the partY s.eki4- diseovcry ' has svbstsntial need of the sostcrials ia the prepaatiua of the parcy's c= 'aad that the psrty is unab1c without uadue had+chi*p to obtain the iS 8eceived Time Hir. 20. 11:35L! PNW 0,2S34
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SEhT BY: XEROX 3004; 3-19-96 S:OOPM; I -> 816 836 8266; Arr.Frrrorx K - REDAcnoN Yhis iadex idcntifiex those puttiots.s ot tbc docutacnts which do tLot relats to CTR Special 1'cvjccss and should ba rcctacted prior to productiosl, T)oataaent u 1: tedact p=F'.phs auatbcrtid 1. 5, G, 7 aad 8. -Docua±ent 02: rcdnct beginninY on page 2, paragruph catitled "Nuional Associition of yroadcmcters", through to the wp of page 3. Srst fv]1 paragraph aidiaII with '`ptomotional purposcs". Docuaient 64: todact pxra;npluc numbctod 5, 6 aad 7. ~ Aortuacai #7: r,adset paragraph ntuabcred 6. Ln ~ m ~ ~ a) ~ ~ t)ocun%cnt it 19: redict all iaaarial tlrouy~L paragraph "6' at page RC-6033323, rod*ct aJ 1 . matatial at RC.603324 rteatinQ with the'pus8mph "Mr. Gailoway then....• . I)ucum:,nt 1133 redact at RC-6033347 endre pstaigaph which stans "1JnWrtunstely... " Doeum&=t 036: tedact fror:a "Mats ..." through to `wcnt tox+x ..." at RC-G033352. Dt,cument #51: redaet:natrsial eontained uades the hr.adinp "NntionW Resowccx ..." at RC-603374-75; tedact ut RC-6033376 all except hcadial; "11stv.ttd Prvjc,xt" and alateriYlx therein; resdac:t ull matarisJs at RC-6033377; :ed>rt a11 rnasecialY at RC:-603337R thtvugh RC- 60333A 1. Doeumrnt'I1eS.Z: redact irtucrial eontained slkr li,aiaY the utrndees at RC-60333g2, up to ". .. Mschina u RC383: Wad trdut all nutteisls at RC-6033354 tta to '`ttarvatd Pte~ject": .~ ~ . ~,` ` . . md redact sll makrittl: at ItC-d0333S3 auling at ". .. C,•17L" _ I3oewnent'x102: a~i.iet a1t parssraphs toUowing the fitth linc of the l+c,dy of tb,a 1ettnr u KC-60334dt;; :vdart ant;re page ut RC-603;t69: redact at RCr603347S all rnatetisJ under "3" sosd "4" eskiing at KC-6U33476: reclst.-t all auterials at 1tC-6033477 aftcr the fourth line. Received Time Mir.20. 11:35n'd PHW02542
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t is maebe: indicstioa of bo,r serious the problem is, the officials st.+sd. tlrat ssUassm fa tLt,r iadaEitry are frsatically alaraed and that the deeliae in tobacco ,e4oe3m os fts stock exchange market has caused grave cose.ra, .special2T sisrrre tabacca earnings Yill be sarch higher next year became of the terisfaartim af excess profits taxes. Are .n primarily concerned with cigarettes rather tAam all tobacco? t'itru aat bn sm doubt but that the problem i.s cigarettes and the task 3s to tst osrt iaformatfoa concerning cigarettes, The attacks have aI]l beess sgsfa.t ciMettss, ' Of eaas.# it is true that the attacks now aad: on cigerettas ed2l eventisallT be sade against all tobacco it not stapgedp ad it is also ttw that .Qyrthint done in favor of cigarettes v11 be ftwoe-sbL 'ts aU tabacco, Another rnsoa .dq the emphasis should be oa cigarettes is that there are existing trade•associatiom in the cigar and tobacco field, . They are all Jealous of their prerogatives and if ve stick to cigarettes .e rill avoid all such coaplicatioas, _ IT. E1tb.r Iafor.rati on . Ths cm-re0t plans are for Hill and Xrovitoa to serve as the operating agency of the companies, hiring a11, the staff and disbursing all feards. The chairman will probably be }ir. Rahn or the head of one of the other companies resident in Ner =ork, There xill be a strong snbecoaa,ittee of chisf exeeutires, all resident in Ner York. Toan.T lCoss, ea.-asel for American Tobacco Coaapaaar, has a.lnost completed a«ahite paper" on the. scieatifit facts involved in the health issue which he will make available to us far use or, inelusion. in something we rill .rant to distribute to all the press, aagasiaes, etc. It .ras arranged for Hill and Knowlton to interview the scientific directors of a1l the leading companies, Three inteiviera are beint -held - todsy, December 1S, at 12001 2t 30 ,aad 4 p,u, resp.ctivel.T, Another .rill be lesld on 1te+deassdQ, -'folLo.iat eo.pletion of_the_l';jeotitie_ iater:iexs--we-.rill-iater• - ' - -.i.. Ta.r,qr 7tosit Bea Samenbert (co=ael for Philip Morris)q and Sidney - J, Vsns Associates (camssl for Lorillsrd), . : ~. It.rss alf+o s14Cest.d that re sLitht Ysnt to interview the ad.er• Ln tisiai peop1s9 slthocqh the company presidents indicated that the ad.er• I- tisiag a=encies did not ha.e a great deal of material bearing apon the m controversy, They thought it aost important for vs.to see the scientific 4' directors and the public relatioas people sleatioaed, _j ko 1-1 PHW01540
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advicc. The fac;t that ihc documcnis wrtc ptcp=d by cuutuel, and in uunc iastances sh,ertd by counr.cl, duci aot'cicuk the document with the auoraey-clienl ptivilcte when ,:uLh docuCUnV d,, not rcvr.zl a =nfidcntiaJ legzi cc)mtnustsc~stion from thc cliwt, or im~rt lctal advic4 Crum thc aitorncy. I c• Z:' ts.ter sQ1' HAIM 521 N.Y.S.2d + 70, 472-73, 139 Wisc2d $'73 (N.Y. Sup. 1988). Zhs documcnt,c insi"d drmansrrnte that the attornc3•s were serving a funuion other ihso that of u _...._ .,._,.: Ico advixor. Cotuiscl to the tnhncro companiea wrx RlactianiaL in a,tci=tiiica administr.uivc, , ,,.__...._.,. ~.-. - or public rclstions caracity in txlciat the oaion_th3t they did. 7ha w1. Jrle.pucd.tr..the.att.orney ._ . - .~ . ... .. ~ was cuu thu could have bccn perforz:ud by the Scicnti5c Adviscxy BoarQ, a doctor or scicsuist, . . . _ . . . -_. .. .. .. . _ . , . --. . . . . • . , ora wbcxxo company cxccutive. 5~ Lemncn v J_ohnc.Msnvitk_ 135. F.R.D. 94, 99 (n.N.1. l 990)(no arivilcre whcre ttu 'Scarvic+r s,tadacd eouJd have boen rendecd by ury corpvralx agent who was:sc+t a lawyer'"(citation omitud)): In rx Ait C'ttsti DIsieer at~Cinux s,i,jyhpt~ 1;t3 F.RD. S1S, j19 (N.I).1I1. 1990}{"althuugh a docv.metu is sent to an auuattry. if the role of counsel is 'minar or rerfunctvey or was iatcnded merely co itatauaiZC tbe document fmm the productinn" the privlik-.go is irupplicaNeKciwtion oaitud)). Since the doetunrnts arc not "p.'i=nly of a leo eharYctc.t" they do not faJ1 within thc xueumy-elietit privilege. rnoDer. hOrr 4sgociates. Ine_ v A~ nehnr Thtin j T.ife lnS1r±• 2 CQ- 168 A.D.2d 663. 563 N.Y.S.2d 49I.491(2d Dep't 1Sr510)I l.iggett's claim itiat its attorat:ys cvaiuucd the projscv in W= of Iititation is without mcrit. Whcrt xNcific litigstion aad JeMative ltaring reseatch uose, this work wzc not underLZken t?uou=;b Spetinl Yrojeats but ittstoad tbrour,h "Special ActxKrsts," msitttstittcd by the l.•+w tum of lscab ~ Ntedi~ysr. outsiJ. coanscl to K.1. Reynolcls Tobcat~o attd the C.'1'bL. $~ Orul Argumsat dated Jsnuary 22.1996. '!'i. at p.32 and Lisa Aero, d aJ., `La"er Control ot the 13 Ieceived Time Mtr.2J. L„ ~ m ~ PHW02532
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'!hc ck-cumrnLi lwn;iu do not merit pronxtibn uader the wnric_product privilcgc. r.iSgctt his L.siled to Cstsbl'tsh thzt the primary rc8;rn fnr creatinn or thcsc documents •+r.s ta a••ist u oa. g,uinj or aaticipstccd litigution, S=". Document 102 at RGb033472 and t3ocwrrcat 33 at R(;. 6D33 46 :uid 603147. Special uu:uunts, atainrained by Ja;ob & Moditiger, outside wua,cl to C:TR and u) RJ. Reynolds Tob=co Cu.. "timdcd rescarch by experi wimcsscs in pscparation fur tcstia,ony dirertly rtlatcd to a aarticuLu case, prtp~ation of tcstimony for conYrccsiorual vr atLrr hcariags, and other rese=h deezied ouful by the Iswyess." iisz Bero, rt s1., "i.awyar Consrol of the Tolaac.ti:n fr4ustry's Extuaal Rcscarch T'tvgram". ou+Lof t.he_ wm_ericag,Medi -~~1 A-"oc-x-1pn Vol. 274, No. 3, 241, 242 (1995)(hereinafter cited tu +cs "I,awyer Coatrol"). 'J'his ic confirmed by the documrnts. SW f3oeununt Nos. 33 aaJ 112. Couaul for l.izoets at ozal artumczt coafirmed :hat `xpccial a~ccouru 4 wss an account otcert:ia lawycts and it was used iif asoa:ction with the preparation of deferuc on pruduet liability ca.ra." This expluinv why thc Spetial Projects resctr=h dneumentx are devoid ofrclcretzccs to litituioII sirateyioc or othcr "theujhz proersscs" otbe'rwisr zc•cx:iuied witb litiratiob 1n•StnredYerLCing Sguri i c j,itiL'1••li4n, Itrorn, 163 t.1t.U. ai 456. Moreover. Liggeu xw:t'rts that any Spxial Projeets resaazh scientist was frce to publish its findings aad opi,aloa= witfsout rc.cuictiom It would appcar that tbls wus encouragcd, which is fully consiFtcnt with the public rdutioas motivation bchind SPecial Proja:ts. This is hardly the t,ype uf av-rrs=cnt that onc would fiad, howe•rer, whent counsel catages a scientSf c or tncdi=l ~ cxperc for the purpose ef.t:pctitying in litigition, la iitigation, counsel d*ly coatrols the availahiliry of ti+e ezpen repoit, sad the msteaalF relied on by the expecti arxd diRelcucurd is cuemorrW amde duritg the last phare o!'distovcry and then undet courwl's coatroL S,m KWe 17 Received Tioe Mir. 20. 10:J:fI' PHW02536
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,. .- ..- -...oCIA, i .> 8'8 838 8D66; asccrtzi,a wltcthcr tobac.uu productx wuc injuriuuY to pubiic hcsjth. Thc: rccord eato.bliches that CTR Sl+ecial Pmjects was uced ias=i as a vchicle :u promot= seiuu;fic resc:ateu1 whic2L Would support the economic interests of the tobacco industry.'° TIRC. and C"!R, iLs succes.cor, along with the tob:u:x:4 i uompanics aad their counsel, werc willing aad l•nuv.iar pzrticipants in this scheme tn mirl=d the Dublic. Sm ,=,t., UeelusYtioo of Dr. Richard Pollay, a=pced to pla.iurift'a' _ ..------.__.....___........_......_._.__..._.. Icttri dsstdNd vcuaber 2l , i 99S su Exhibit 13 para. E; aad Doeumeat Nos. 17, 33 and 112. - 'fhs: G`!'R, as discussad sy=6 had two metbods af funding re.rc1 tch: thrvuth SAB. and through Spcxixl Projeets. The SAD waa comprised of iadepeadeat and uabiasad seientistt that would apptove rescwch funding for "gtaat in aid" pcojeas. The CTR Spoeial I'rojects, however, by-passed the independent board of unbiased saientists and fundrd projexts to llurt}= the . econnmic iatertst ofCTR mctabas as meommcaded and approved by the iwbsuo compuiy cxe:cutives unci thcir lawj•=. CTR did not inforn the public of the differr.nec betwran Special Yrojects and its SAI3 approvcd srazat-iR-aid proL*r-sm in relessint Speciul Project rrposu. For LAampte, acl:nowlcclluvenu in thc; articles aubmitxed by Littett as Documents °C", "D" wW "I r." mereay ststa that thc article ur" "supported in part by Spocisl Pmject Grant No....fvm thc Cottacil of Tobacco ltesearch (CTR) - U.S.A. jac., Netis York. New Yoric" or "(tjhe studies have bten supported by a Spcxitl Project Z=t from ths Council for Tob,ac+co Racamh - I1S.A.. Itsc.". 10LiuKeti liics to rebltt this aUegatioa by statistg that it "did cwt psrticipaue in the erAt3on or disaibutioa, of the 'F:aalc Smentant*". Letwr nf I='V. Kta=e,r, dated Novanbar 29, 1991995 at 3. Howcver, at oral argumcat Liggeu coaeeded that C!'R wetr the succarsor to TiRC. and t}sit at no time during LiYgotz's mcmbershlp did CTR disclaim the pttrpasus and ohjtxtives of the organizttion as articulated in sh= 1'rank StatttaenL 20 PHW02539 Received Time 1dtr.20.10:09AM Print Time Mar.20. 10:19-A'.3`
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:.: r,:.rct%-^.c_Y, d.atcd Nc,vcmb.~r 22. 1 yy5 a•t 2. i.iZscn czatc.. that rasny of thc resc.uth pro it stippflncd wC1e also providecl limding by "thc faderaI Lovernment and various Wtiouaj hc.,Jth organirstinn..•uch aa the Natiooal lnstitute a(HeaJth, thc NetiouaJ Cancer lnctitute, tlu Lnvirc+nmema1 I'rptrclion Age„Acy, the Amettcan Cuacrx Soeiety, and the Amaiic:an Hc.art Associs.-ion. ..." j,L Ligsctt asserts that al1 rraeurchc7s wcro fiee to publish thrir rLscwclt rcu,lt3, including Special !'Mects n=snLers involved here, aad all such pmjeccs unde~_by._._ Cl'k ase reporteid in CTR's anaual repcuu which are available u+ the r4,shlic Therc arc two mctbods of 3;.-irntilic rescucb gmt funding throug.h CT}t. 'lhe first is its Lrsut-in•siud prograin, under wfiir.b rLsrsrch propnsalx arc rcvicw6-d by C1'k's Sriratittc Advisory Board (also refrrrud fn &c ":4AA"). comprised of emitunt, independent scientists in chcir respxtivc nelds. The SAB tttskcs dccisions on v:hed= researcb teduesua a}wuld be funde~ by C77L Z3c accortd fltnding method was through CT7i's Special Projects, in wfiicb t2ic tobacu, cnmr:nies thcrosc2vEs, on the advicc and recommendation of counsel, ckcidc uIu.rcher or »cIt to apProvc a rcqucst for (unciing. Lipcctt claim. that Spccial Yrojxts (uttdcd irsearch that a mcmbcr tnhacco wmpany, c+r cnmpunies, bclicvcd would bc bcaeficial in fitture litigation or ConL*res,wnial hcaritp. , SAA did not pztticip:ue in any way in the selection process.' 'Th+xt is a third methad oi'fundiat e4entilie rcsoarch projects - thtough Specisl nccounu. AlthDugh c,bc dssailr u[ this fuadinK methud ato not entirely elcu, Special nccuunts wcre ma;ntained by ttu: law firm ufJacob & Medirtga, outside ec+ummil to both the CTR aad K.J. R.cyaolds 7'c+lacro Cu., a$d used far litigation-related reacarch prajetts, such ic rcxearf:h by expec{x in prcparatiost for tstitaoay for aparticulsr case or 1egiAktIve hearit>Ys. Cd1t and/or the rol+acrm cnnwrny iiwolved 4abuld reimburse the law fum for thiu capease. SuLisa >E3cro, et al.. `T.a"= Coairol of & Toba.e+co lndtsstry's laacmal Research rrogram.'Jgu_ w n31 e_f,_O,C '' Val. 27s, No.3, 2<1, 2<2 (199S). WbsMquestioned about rhe isJ ,ceounts al cna1 amument. Taggztt's counsel provided no additional inforrntiation. 3 Received TtIDe MiI. 20. 10:PHW02522
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~ y- 59. :.;Mors, R. C., Celluhr Loe?1{.z_it=on of ~.uor?scqnt ?roauctr ?~~-•iv:d fro.~ Ci?~:-ette S`so;:c~ • Stuc'i+~s i:: ?~';or:ri~e~~91. •An'i=. ls a:,~1 _in _: n bv~ :luorescence :Icroscopy . di:. J. CL., 1,9%7_, 611• 60. :Sallors, R. C., 3•ficroscooic T.ocl:lization o_* Tobacco Make ?: od•scts '_n to Ci?;rptte SM-o: e. ra(z. ~.:;.. the °.asair ^tcr_v Trncts of Ani-als a-=no s::d ~ , _ Q 2(C), 3C;'{19~8). _ 61. :-Uh? boc1:, 0., Corcir.oa Pne 1•'nr::ino_ van SioarettenrCO:c bij .I•bizoZ• :r0. _ • T L'JSCHR. CLNMEE;K. 227c-22T (19;>> . o. 62. 'raclson, E. D., A_°r_o;?osed Rnsa~•. c.`: Prot*raa •of Bio:.oaic,1 Testi.zg. . O 2t,7 No. 113 (;I07. 19) . . , , . . . . . :. . . . . . . . ' . . , 63: scssey; Soae-r'3•o31~ns;o - LUnn C.fincer. O. • 64. .?eerl, R:, Toba cco Saoke 'aad Lonr.rtvity. SC~M::Cr, S7, 26-217 (1933) •~~;: s~=O v Raaschoiu-:delson, E., SzokitiA Hobits in Tw•ins• D:,aISR '•ED.7 E2 8"0 • (19u0)•.., • V ~ . . . . . 66. Roc;man, i., *Tb4 •j_rntnasis' of Various Su:,stitute: Phenols for Use as ;an ~ }- ovorEn~..s .j$ 100: cco t:'•o.^,Llc~'.S. ,Llc~'.S. . .., ..a. .O. > :.C. ).• ~~.. w .___ . . • .t 67. Roc=.i:~.,. T'nc~ FY:~ctiono tioa of Ci~: c't:e Snoks EaC Tprs. RD,,, LU a, 1ai, no. 13 Cw: :: 297. "--.. . - .. _ _. _.. . Z.:. :.m v~ . ~,.:r . . 0 Q 63. :~xd=3n, A.~ :br. A.alys±s o`•' Ci,T-i.rctte S::ei:P C;;nc:t*:s+._. I._T"nn i_R- ~ ma- Z' O s w latio:: and/or icnntif icn_ion of ?lvcvclic Ixorst;c'Hycroc:rbons i.. Conaens^tn• RD3, 6_, No. 9(S::'r. 28) X _. ~ w 6:e.. RoGE7-3n, 4., TflP P'Pener'`tion o= SomR P»enolie F1a7orEnts. 203, WLU ~ i:o. 10 (D:.. 1T. Z.~ OID ~ 69. Roc r-:!a, A.,. ihA A-:n lv-:n : o. • Ci-ircttt S:ohe_Cordeas+_tc:_ ?=. Tne u t: -Itn^n; ~t.`' :.. ~.L 31prid ^cbn cco. • r• .1, Cn c~n _oke CondansztP. ' III: F'1 ue- 70. iicdgz:n, e., 7he 6n_lysis_o!' Cinarntte a curP. TOb•+cco.~~~, ~ . , Z w o Ti. Rod.;xn, A., lAA '&AT131S_aSyCiear~tto Sa~oke Co:~densste'.' IV. 3;4,0,9-'~v":~~ - ~ i c= N_ 72. D_'b'nz*yvrene in• Ca:EL Civ.orette Smoke Connensa te. • ZU-M' ,7 wo. _3 ..~-...._-.M.1..~---.M...I--._ . ~ . ' ' rr~. 17~. " .:.,p w ~ W4 Rodag--vin, A., T•Rs Anelysis of CiQ.rztte Smoks Ccndmnsste. YI• -4he Z-) J:.':. 25: t.n-.1 uenco o£ 'ac+l~ve_e. Tobc cco and Other s 3 c tors on'the . ^ « ?.D?., ~?; i:o. 1 Fol vcvc? c r~c. oc^roon ..on1cenv o,_,-Saoye Condensete. 73. Rocg=n, A., aD3, 2M.,Oj No • 11 (i•L:Y 18 ). 51604 7648
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%o ~ 29. :'ean, G,, LL.^•r Cancer p-aonr Uhito South Uricans. Reuort on a rtr t*nrr Stur- , iti .:=). J. , 1961 ii , 15 99-1oCr5, 30. do Saan, P., Lor•" raiikincren bii Aziat{sc^c Z^SlueZza. IL-~D: :IJD3CiLR. 1A 721 6 „~ ^ Z, -72 0 31. ?.:stcott, D. F., The L~idor.ioloRv of Lu^;p Cancer in I•Iew Zealan3. L',:Iw , 12ik (i), 37-39. 32. :.ssenbsrc.. J. +}te Tnnin'nnne nf A.~..~ws T~a.n.~l~c-. .j : .• .. ~.• c_ wze Lu.P in the 'nlbino i•iouse. SCi:.:11 , 501-~ 2 (1932). D• ~'~remer L., , 3.::,, and Koy,,in, P., ''z^ect of Ci~rette Sno?ce an3 Its : Co_s ttituents onCilioteC ;licus-secr eting` itheliun. J. .i1:,j• ~~.i. ~ i: ~i . . Q N. .: • ....'..._._9~J9 _.~....~~1012- +."/~'~_;, i'. _.. _. _ ........._..._...._.._.._ ,-...• ...__...._._.__....-.-.-...__._-_.._._._ C~ ~~.i.~i:~i.-1••i:4~'•~~.~~ ... G . . :1,. .LL:?7J• ,;.O_. ~ ~~...~r , .:~0 34. 'risacr,' 3:' l ., 'LtLMo Cnncer•erc Ci7aretYas? hTQ'.r,• 1E2, 108 (195SJ\J\J\. i` 35. FisS=T,.:3. E.•, "Ca rw . ncer an3 ~okiuo# 1s, 596 (1958). ~t-, ~ 36. ~ iber;;; L., hai f, • Z., Denck&',, S. J., and Jonsson, ;., • S3o%iar! :bits of ot_c er.3 Di ~ a,otic `s. EI.I^i. IM. J., 1M 109?-1092. . . . .. . . . . . :,: ~... • . . ' • . . . 37. C:-eene, :. S. II.,. ynt: oduey,.ion to "Scie :ca Lflo'•.:s at &-3o::in~, lJ by L. bTorth= u_ o ::c:. Ya:c, Iy. Y., Co'::ard-:'^Csnn, • Irc., :t=' uU n- • -'~ ' , . 38. :ac:~szc1, ::., Lov2lcnd, D. J., ar..^ Si_Tzen, i•.. G., Lu-~v Cancer I::rtsiit-* .s 1465 71e{ .... C ' . . r y • • y t~ ••n .sMZ ~O .•' -+ ' C:"...: a:a ..='J::~:~ ?iis~ories. I. :~'liYe ~21es. J. :1ali. Qe...v:~. =:.Si., :? ~ ~. 947-l0G:r 1962 ), - p s w V QU x. 3J. :..:.easzo1, :•l., .c.lj.•'3iC~-. 'I,'I, ::. ...., and :'~Ati.el, li., is R:trosDect;v8 :.tu:v o.f LL'.c;''' 0:^f;"' {^ ?•;e_sn. J.' I7sIL. Cll: -W; i.:371., 21, 82.!-Z4z (1958)0 Z 0. w. w " 4•-• r-- 40. 'r.:.=.i.lton, J. D., SepS, a., It•oun, T. C., anc :•ic"roaald, F. 1'1., :•:o_-rohoio..^.clol : o m C::enQes in Snokors' iun~-s. Ci:i. 1rSCti.,J., •77, 1T7-181' (1en7 --• ; -----• .~ N 41. ::i_djn;, :+. C., Cicv:-o tte Soke any P.wsio- o- c Dr3izs Ee of the D: on::.ial_ a:- ee. - a DIS. C=, o,, 357=i~1~-- ~ n ac 7 42. •auePQr, N. C., 8otin, P., Teber; L. C., Payna, 11. U., Falk, H. L., and Sak".ki; C_rcinocQnic 3ioa•ssavs on AI_4_' ?ollutants. 'Pcpcr presented at 5--d 1nn. 10" • PZ'ution Control Ass oc., Ciacinnati, Ctiio, AfhF 25 (1960). 43. Ide, G.) Slwtzoff, V., and Cowdx-.r, E. V., b Corpcrison of wh- F:stourtaolo;-V ai'a uni :: . chQOl and 2L-.onc.'iial t:aitheliua of Scoaers anr IionsWosa.-s. C.:I'~"'3, 473-484 (1959). Av. ... l;, .. . .. 44. I:en.°~atiraq, 3. L., So~e stio:~s on Carcer of tao Lu-~gT and tTiyarv T.--^ et• '-' 3~-.:=-- : J. , lc~ 7 i, 259-3~Gb. • N 45. i:n=`tson, ::: P., The P.,tholor±c Mri'octs of Sao:3n? Tobacco on the 'ti-3cha_ _=_::' ^ ?-o:uc.^.:.,.^i :bcos.3. AK. J. CLi:. PAiHaL., ;_, 310-31'7 Uya0 . - ~ U 46c :.O 0 `..+,.`l ~ , P. , a:u] r c 1k, H• Z., The Role o-w .c tj o:: of i +~c-~ •.- i C-....~... :1. Cr~s -:S ta ??w::o~e~esis_ c. T..:r~g_ C_acer. II. Ci~:: Q Y Vo :=o::Q. C:..:CZ.:, ??. 4C,2j2 (? ~ c0) . 51604 7646
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13. Bc.:cso::, J.= ~e Statistic••1 Lnv,sti~-tion o.' L•`:n~. J. r'u.~~,:. •, -, - lcr5 9) . 14. Br='sson, J., SnWkino and Cancer of the Lu.ng. ?30C. STa.rF. '.•TG., J~.YO CLL:., Z, 367-3s5 (1°6p . 15. 3=st, 3. :•:. R., Josie, G. ii., ar.d t.'a2ler, C. 3., A'Canadian Sttu~o of_~ryw?±t~ ' ~. i" ~e 2-ition to S=okino ii: bits___ zRrEli:ai:arv Reoc r t. CzN. J. PL3. HE~;L: :,;;:jp z •. 99-?A6 ~19,01 ..... . • ` ' • ' i` ^,4. : . ._J 16. Boyland, E., The BiologicEl F;.maia:tion of Csrcinogenic Substances. w B""". (2) , 93- %v ~.7J O, • .._ :: .~V .. .,, 17. Bruce, ti. F., C=: cinogAnic Ii _rocxrbor_~„s. Co~ri~n~~tho_Eluo:occc3ca:~ 7ntensi -of CtiolrntN:.rns•:arj ---Certain-of--It -Ro:aol :~•J:ME•L- SbC:;~~ '304-3g 1941 . ' • . • . . .. . . ... ' . ' ,-. . . . . . , . ,• ~ ~s~o:,: ~~ ~~ 18. Coos nAThe l+nnlvsis of Civa tj Sno'• Co y , L. C., and r'tod~a ,•, , ~~re ~e ..e• ndonsz ~e.: s.";[~": a_ srA °-LCvanteaolide •fr6M_TurTo~scca,_5494: Rl~':, ?961;~i1o. 21 G~"" _` ~ p 19. Cool:, L. 8., hnC Rodg~r., j., ^he Co~nosit{ oa of Cic¢Motte S~o'se _~~. c=' ttac~ Leva;tenfllide lrerr Turkish Tob2cco amoke: TC3sCC0 SCZI:Cr, 6 32-33 (1962}::a.u ". . - • ^. . 20. Coo:c, L. C., •Bnd Rodg=n, •.:., Tae,_~lvsis,of Cii retta ~iode Conc~o^.satc 1?a= 3 ;iYnoY.3,.Q.--_4de fron (Sept.ycro~ 22 ) . y .. Q. 21. Coo::. L: C:, Rod n A, and YaG. b'. lnp A*L1rs ~ c~, 'n :-;'cn ~ , , , is o~CiS,are ..t~,_.....~"mf ~ ~ Co!'?S:n'Zs2te. 7"'II. iior.-ztl ilcoho15. I960, No. 22 ~ . V •. Q U 22. Cook, L: C., Rodg=a, A., ar3 Yc=C, G. •' .:'ne Co_--position of CivarettL Srox w VII. ;:0-.=1 LonoTc;-_mined isco^o_...=vB::CCO SCi::C:" o-10 {1°c?~.. ww 23. Ccoss ycFarati=cad i.l3ter~instion of the •Faenolic :_ge_ioa_J~ Tobucco_.~c-o3:e _Co:%.:3nsates. R::.:, _5? . i:o. 9 '"eb. ]l, . 21.. ~'.1LA-"r, R. E., SCnsabJugh, A. J., Jr., a.."'' .. ..:.-.cllnas, P. C., Jo'te:. .^~tion of Acid Frrctioas o~o'^sp,_o 2ao%e: T03aCC0 SCi vCr, o, 25-27 ~aac . •(\.~/ .//r) . ' • • .. . • . • O. 25. De1hamn, T., _Studies_ os_tho '~o.at~of..Sul*ta:_Di.o~dde_ on_Cili.ery~.Activitrj Rabbit Trachea in_Vivo_and in Vit.-o ar~ c: t.o 2c3s~ptioaal Capacity,of Pasai-C-vitv, ~» ~."V. R:SP3.Ui. 566-567 4961). 26. D3aish Joint Cc=zitto, Tob_cco ?`:liberetions of tas D:,aish Joint C=mitte_~ Cagar~j,ft sn-+• e'•P. DA::IS3 t.:'r. BiJI.L., 2, y5-"Z, 27. Davies, D. F., :. Revieu of tho Evidence on the Re_lationshin bets~~ecn :: o:a:;g and L~? Csncer. J. CiiIfl:IC DIS., ~, 579 olb 190). 20. Dean, C., _L=o Ccncer l=ong :•hite South L~ci~.^.s. a T+. Im . J., 65 2-•c"5 7. ~ 51604 7645 N ~ W W
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- ...G1... 1 .> atd asa 8966; a,anS;»nwing ppublac by cuing tlu ct~xlibility nf C'1'K and its independent bu:ud of ccienti3tu w publicii.c thc rCStJlts o2'sccrct rrsea,rcb projects undertal:w= on thc advice of wbaccc, c.nmp:uty cc+unscl. to undrrminc cQ*;arch rccultx thst had found a causad nexvi b6twuCn xrnpJ:inZ and illncss. The Third Circuit vacated the 1)ir~rict t`~+urt's rulint;, on ti~e ground t?~t the T~istrict Cuuri hntd coasidctel dcycumr:nu and isiformacinn uutsidc tbe rcconl before the tuagistrate judge. __ _...._.___._._.. llzines y: L'~~ett C'm~,t- _l9~S"F2d 81 (3d Cit. l492).' ` II. C=flicu 9fLtL A. kvle SU1 - C'Nytrninv Pn_,_,~iler clerc Laws There is a threshold ehoiaa or1aw issue, which is u»cntiaJ befnre en,9a4iap in x discussion un the mrrits of thr parties'xcsatlons' yiscovay orjxivt'leged maurial in a civil cam is govetaai by Rule 26(bXl) of tLe Itulcr.il Ruleac urCivil Psoceduu, whieh pravicks thaz the pattia "may obtains3iscovery retasdiag uny mattzr, not privil.T+ed, which is relevyat to the , subject m:utcr ievolvcd in thc I+ending action ..." Fedezal cuuns are further guided un the i..xuc of dixuvc•,rability nf rrivileged mrtLzisl by RuJe 50) of thc Pulcrul Rutcs of i:videucc which st;ate` th:u in diversity cac= the cnurt should apply state law vrith respect to privilege issuenc. kule 501 provides: Eccept as c+thcswiso rWuirtrd by the Constitutioat of thc: tlniud Stues or ptovidcd by.Aa of CoUZress or in rules prrsuibtd by the titprcme Court pursuattt to S,atviory aahc+rity, the p=ivileve of a witness, pet:on,' &ovcsamcat, Suate or political subdi•tision thereof shall be govetned q the principles of the common law as thcy may be - iatapretnIbI the cottsts oftlu United Stases in the light orrmxnn . % cn ~ . m 'S66eqttent u+ thc lhird ~.-tidt's decision, ttte pLstntitTs atlorney had moved to be ~ rclievrd as pro bqng coupeJ, which $ye Disttict Cuurt tixttied. Hai s y.U&CM 8 14 F. Supp. ~ therr ix no reportcd activity in the muee. 414 (D 1993) N 1 '11ct+cafecr °n . , . . . . . o~ r, PHW02525 Received ?itve Mtr, 20. 10:09U
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PLAINTIFFS EXHIBTT T11117OIlACCO LI!AI' fur f.nu.ry, 1954 A Frank ~ Statement 1 0 Cigarette Smokers ~ 1 . ~ t t /A RepriN Pr.yorsd Dy Drrl.r Auetion IYer,Aows Auoelndo./ ! t ~ i Itt!CE Nl' RT:PnR'i S oA eiperiaeenu witk` 2 lUat tMesa It no agtuue.t s/noeg luice luve Civco wirk PulJiuty to a dreory tlwt tAa awlro/itkrf ceptJl.g wkat tLa ewse Is. cip/cuc"unuking Is In ta.a way IintcJ wMW 3 1iw tLew M me ptool iW d jaaw luwj unccr In Mweut bdn=a I eetalns /t t+ae af do cawaa. Ad/wngh eoalrtcteJ by Jucaae of ; 4. lkat etatkka purpnlting to iink Ptafatiowal ataading, thete eapcrGacnta a/ai dsslew rtwk/ej widl do rlbeata m+lJ appir a.r scis+Jej u conclwlve 6 tlw ticld oti with equal faa lo anr ana of many aMet csacer teteur.k. I lnwevet, we do aat 6elieves ahroeu o(tworka (ile. lriod, tl+e vd1J'ity of tlut aey u.iwa I>ASdie.l teaeerest,.vesi dwu=hj tMe aallttkt tlleredvss Ie "tluwad by Nt /n/ulu ua ineo.drtlv., slwwl0 be f nwwaus eelentlstt. Jiuciat.kr w l1SUNy diaeissed. ~ We.coept an I.tcrmt (w palPie•a bceltil AI /lre tawa IiMK. we feel il 1e In Ila, a. a basic teslrwibillty, puenwwwt so evsry puidic In/ereu so esU atcadrw so do (ao tiuu f utlw eau4ktatior la our budnestL ewincat Jlxyou soul ressatcA aclswitfe luva ~ We beYova tUe pwrAwe we awka ew wot /wWicly quottiuued do slaLaul ald.lfica.ca ) lnjuiwt to UeaWt. uf d,cte eal+dw.ewa. ~ 1Ve always Mare w4 always will IbrrlflgwtbeJ ealYNllka Irdat wu: ! cny+etala dualy wb/ dwwa whose Iut it Ir to I. 11ru medlcsi tcteaaH of teeeM j aalejrudtHeir.WkbealdLl ycat iwticuta many Poaible causes af lue= ~ l+or Inwa tluw 300 yeart lobaeco 11et csnecr. . ~ tivcn eulsce, teistulw and sajoyeoent lo ~ tuanikuL Al ata do+a or aeot6cr Jwing tlloae yeart crAia have hcIJ (1 ralrrttibia fw . PrsctkaUY every d(tcetc of do 4lruaa 1wJy. Oue by r.» ti.ete dwta have 1+aa atwwian.l rw lack of ev{Jcace. . Re=a+Neat of dle tecold of tlle l+att, die fan Jl.t dtaectu wlwacla& today tbwW even be tutpeateJ u a causa ot a serious Jiaeau Is a olauer of deqr mnarw to ut. M..y pcopTe have .skeJ us what we aa Julnj to.r•en fhe puWk'a co,+oea ueu.td (yr ti/e Ieee.t repWat. Ilere Is do answer: ~. We aa PIoJling eW aed auittaota /o dm rcaatek eUaet Inw alt piutet a, tuLaceo utc anl6ealtu. 'i1L1! }dnt flaMcial aid will of course 6e In adJitlon to wlut Is aluady l+sieg conuiirued by MJivWual urnpwkt. 2. lbr t61" poqate we are stubiit6/nt a jnlet Mdualry iwy+ s+owtls<leg InitWly ot do twkni jeal 11ds Stoup wiil be finown :. TOf1ACCX) INM1SIkY RIi511ARC1/ COMwcrnOa 3. !n durga ol tbe teeeatek rctlvitkt of tAn Com/riuce will be a tckaltt of unlnlPeadabia (nteac4y aod Mat/oeal relwua. b eJditlos abata will tw se AJvitory UoarJ at tdewtltu J1.Inseseaui lK " ei1aata (aJrstty. A arorlp of ditt4qublld exn ltaa nwliciea;.ciouo aad eduesdtrl will ba iwvited so aervs un tkit l{wtd. 711ete tcketiats wiU advbe tbe Catwtlltlca oa N. /eteaalt aatvitkt: , 1111t Nalcroenl Is iocing IuueJ irccaute wa bclkva the peoi+le anm calitkd w i.ww wLue we stand ua tida rnatet.rrwi wiut we WcnJ 10 Jo about It. OBACCO INDUSTRY RRSCARCH COMMITI'EC ' 1iMMRR S1A171 IIUII.I)MQ, NGW YORK l, N.Y. 54M L89L t@9ZS Sponsors: TIIl2 AI,iP.RICAN TOIIACCO COMPANY. INC. Poul ll. /tolul, rrssialr.f 111':MSON dl Iil!1X11.S Jaupi N.Cufialew,Jr., PraLftnt nRlGirr n111 T WARn1/OUS1: ASSOCIATION F. S. Rorstrr, PruiJrst nROWN tl WI11lA#1SON 1OilACCO ' COkI'ORAl1ON 1irwW Ay V. llarlwNt, PrsriJ.wt nUit1.UY AUCIION WARI1110USt1 ASSt1C1A'iION Alfitrt C/ry. Piuidewt IlUR1.nY TOOACCO (iRO1VnAS COOPfRATiVI! ASSOCIATION /oAn IV.lo.es,1'rarideet U1RUS A flROTi1Nt COMPANY, INC W. f: Ru4 Jr., httiltwf P. IA1t11.1 AROCOMPANY l/erl,.R A. Xsnt, CAairwmn MARYLAND TOpACCO CROIVIiRS' ASSOCIATION Sonwrf C. Llw+ata, General lla.a j.r P111/1P MORRIS & C0.,/ T/).. INC 0. ra.Isr utCaem. rraLawt R.1. R13YNO/J)S TOQACCO COAtPANY E. A. Orrr, Prstidewt 'k71!PIIANO 111ttm1PAS, MC. C. S. SurAals,DSc.. Dirtctolo/Rr,tacA TOIf ACCO ASS(KIAl14S, {N( ; (An orpeiutire af /1uo aual tulucco gruwett) J. D. u,r,.rl, rre,u..t UNr17!p STATI:S TOIIACCO COMPANY 1.1V. tstetiow. rrsrilswt pHW00625
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