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J.G.D. ~JED, ESQ., DIRECTOR, MILLBANK. DGF/BMS/46D D.G. FELTON) SOU'IIIAr,tFrON. 26th November, 1962 Dear t,~', ~dd) As an outcome of s conversation I had last Friday st T.M.S.C,, I believe we may have learned the name of the candidate which Scht%rch and Waltz have in mind for the post )f Of Scientific Adviser %o ASFC. I enclose a copy of File .. Note No. 0341 giving de%atls of this conversation, %ogether with a copy of an earlier File Note No. 0330, %o which reference is made in the later note. Yours sincez~ly, D.G. FE LTON c.c.A.D. McCormick, Esq. Sir Charles Ellis H.D. Anderson, Esq. o

F] S/469 26~ November, 1962 FILE NOTS NO. 0541 CONVERSATION WITH G.F, TODD~ 2~RD NOVEMBER ~96~ During a Visit to T.M.S.C. on Friday afternoon, I was asked by Todd" how the visit to Switzerland had gone. In an earlter conversation reported in File Note 0330, Todd had told me of the counteraction which Waltz and others were planning to the Neukom~/Bonnet attacks, and that Waltz Yrlshed to see some o~ganisatton like the T.M.S.C. established in Switzerland. I told Todd that the discussions on a standard method for smoke analysis were incomplete and that there was to be a further meeting in December. I added that the establishment of a permanent organtsation had been discussed and that most present had been in favour. Todd asked whether anyonb to head it had been considered, and I replied that alth~gh no names had been mentioned, I had formed the impression that Waltz and $church had one or two people in mind. At this, Todd recalled that at the Paris meeting (File Note 0330) Waltz had indicated that there was a likely candidate in K. ~tttg, Ph'D., D.Med. of the Institut fur Hygiene und Arbeitsphyslologle of the Federal Technical High School (E.T.H.) at Zurich. B~ttlg has acted as editor of the book "Toxicologie des Tabake" published by Verlag Huber, comprising the papers dealing with the Neuko~/Bonnet process by Bonnet, Matthey, Ntcod, etc., and is also the editor of Zeitschrift fur ~aventiv-Medlzin, in which these papers were originally published. In view of the proposal to publish in the same magazine the refutation of the Neukomm/Bonnet claims, for which Waltz is acting as compiler and co-ordinator, it is reasonably certain that Waltz has been in contact with B~ttig. B'~ttlg would seem to possess the qualifications which it was agreed would be desirable for the scientific adviser to the President of the ASFC,- vlz. medlcally qualified with interests in hygiene and social medicine. Lastly, B~ttig is located in Zurich where Waltz suggested the scientific adviser might be based. It would, therefore, seem highly probable that Schurch and Waltz have B~ttlg in mind fort he proposed post of scientific adviser, and it might be desirable to obtain an independent assessment of his capabilities. D.G. FELTON C. C. A.D. McCormick, Esq. ~.G.D. ~dd, Esq. Sir Charles Ellis H.D. Anderson, Esq. 0

23rd Mowmbez, 1962 J.G.D. Rudd, Esq., MILLBANK. Dear Mr. Ruddp I have received from Mr. Kendrick-Jones a cow of the minutes, prepared by Waltz, covering the meeting of the scientific commission at Pribourg which I attended earlier this month. I enclose a photocopy for your information. There are a number of minor points on which I shall ask for clarification or correction at the next meeting on 7th December, but substantially they are a reasonable summary of what was agreed or, at any rate, discussed, as you will sea, if you compare it with my account of the meeting. You will also have seen copies of the correspondence between Mr. G~lliam and myself on %he subject of the pzopcsed Swiss Information Centre. "I am perplexed as to how to reconcile hie views with what seems to be a practical policy to" follow at the next meeting. As he is now out of the country, I cannot raise this with him, but I interpret him as being against the setting up of any form of organlsatlon in a territory in which we are involved, except possibly on an international scale (a "Junior CORESTA"). His view is that the local comparisons will call for national-type blends, which he fears will complicate the international standards on which the Company*s leaf purchases and blends are now based, end of course this raises a most important issue. But in the limited context of Switzerland, what are we ¢o do? Either we stay out ot any degree of collaboration on standards, when we have no control at all on what is decided~ or we enter into collaboration in the hope of influencing it into the lines we favour. I£ we stay out, and methods for tar and nicotcne are agreed and the results published, then at once you have the local comparison which Mr. Gilliam fears. If we enter into work on • standard method, we can strive to ensure that the methods are reasonably scientific and that they do not favour a competitor over our own brands, and we may hope to exert our influence ~o prevent publication of figures. As I saw it at the time, the establishment of a kind of Swiss T.M.S.C. would lend strength to the hands of the President and those members who wish to prevent %he publication of tar and nicotine figures. Moreover, it helped by delaying discussion of the standard methods, which in any event were being suggested by the President. So that, to take the hypothetical case raised by Mr. Gilliam, in so far as a tar war might be on the point of breaking out in Holland, Denmark and any of the other small countries mentioned in his last letter, I would suggest that a similar national action would be valid. If these could be integrated into an international organtsatton without those features of CORESTA which are held objectionable, then ~hts might meet Mr. Gtlliam's fears. But where we are competing with local tobacco companies, controlled by nationals of the particular countries, we are the only ones who gain by an international approach~ and may have difficulty in making our views prevail. C

J.G.D. l~dd, Esq. .'2- 23rd Nove=berp 1962 ~ own view is that it~ould be wrong to establtFh national Infomation ..C entree me,ely for their own sake, but onlywhez~ failure to do ~o leaves one at'the mercy ofa conlpeti~orl~no is prepared touse the health issue competitively and where the se~ttng up of some o=gan£sation may act el a res~ainto I a m sorry to have laboured~hispointbut I see the issues involved ere, lndeedp complicated and many-sided. It is important, the~efg~ep tha~ before the next meeting on ?th Decmber, I should learn what line you wlsh.~e ~ pursue in order to represent theCu-oup'spolic7 correc~y. Yours sincerely, c.c° D.S.F. Hobson, Esq. A.D.N~Cormick, Esq. Sir Charles Ellis N,IVi~ C~tlli~un~ Esq. H.D. Ande~soh~ Esq. o o