Council for Tobacco Research
Deposition of Freddy Homburger, M.D. [Deposition of Homburger in the Matter of Broin]
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- Author
- Bohan, A.H.
- Homburger, F.
- Depository Date
- 08 Sep 1997
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your work?
A. Not to proceed.
Q. At the -- we talked about this earlier. At
the April 8, 1974, American Federation of Pathology
meeting, you presented a paper summarizing your
animal inhalation experiments, didn't you?
A. Yes.
Q- And also prepared and left for anyone who
wanted to pick it up a press release regarding your
research, right?
A. Yes.
Q. Now, you also tried to schedule a press
conference, didn't you?
A. I didn't schedule it. The organizers of
the meetin
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Q. The organ izers scheduled it?
A. Yes. It was a custom that when somebody
presented somethin g new in the conference, there
would be a press conference afterwards; and I was
told to go to a certain room, and when I wen t to
that room, there was nobody there. I didn't pay any
attention at that time , and it wasn't until the
Cipollone case that th e lawyer Edell, E-d-e-1-1,
found a letter from a public relations person of the
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Council about the research gloating about the fact
that they had sabotaged my press conference.
Q. Is it your testimony that you didn't know
the press conference was cancelled while you were
there?
A. I had no idea.
Q. I'd like to show you a document --
MR. RANDLES: Mark this Exhibit 9.
(Document marked Homburger Exhibit 9
for identification)
Q. This is a document -- I know you've seen it
before -- a memorandum from Leonard Zahn.
A. That's the one.
Q. This is the one Mr. Edell showed you,
correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And you testified regarding this during the
Cipollone case, didn't you?
A. Yes.
Q. I want you to feel free to read any and all
of this you'd like to, but I'm going to ask you a
series of questions about what this document says.
All right?
A. Yes.
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Q. Now, it says in the second paragraph, Mr.
Zahn reports, "The afternoon of my arrival, I
learned that Judy Graves, public information officer
for the American Society of Experimental Pathology
(ASEP), that an unlisted press conference had been
scheduled for Homburger for 12 noon on Monday." Do
you know what he meant by an unlisted press
conference?
A. No.
Q. Who was Judy Graves?
A. I have no idea.
Q. You don't know her?
A. (Witness shakes head)
Q. Mr. Zahn goes on to say, "He.was to have a
news release with him and was to tell the
press that
the tobacco industry was attempting to suppress
important scientific information about the harmful
effects of smoking. He was going to point
specifically at CTR.°
Is that accurate; is that what you had
planned to do?
A. No. I was just going to report what I had
said in the paper, and you have seen the abstract.
Q. Oh, you weren't going to say anything about
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CTR trying to stop you fro m publishing or anything
like that?
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Q. No, I
Where wasn't
do you goin
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k Mr. Zahn got
that
idea?
A. Well, he's crazy.
Q. You never had any conversations with him
b
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A. I have never met Mr. Zahn, to my knowledge.
Q.
A. Okay.
Is this a woman,
Zahn?
Q. Leonard Zahn.
A. Oh, Leonard.
Q. I'd like you to turn to the second page of
this and the paragraph at the top of the page, and
in the last sentence it reads "She" talking about
Judy, "called back later that evening to say she had
done so, telling Homburger the press conference had
been called off because of scheduling
difficulties." Let me go to the sentence above
that. "I suggested to Judy that sh e called him then
(Sunday) at home an d arrang e to mee t him at his
hotel. She called back lat er that evening to say
she some done so, t elling Homburger the press
conference had been called off."
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Did Ms. Graves ever call you?
A. No. I don't recall any of this. I told
you the story as I recall it. I walked to the room
for the press conference. There was nobody there.
And I didn't pay any attention; I thought it was
just a slipup.
Q. So if Mr. Zahn is accurately writing down
here what Ms. Graves told him, she was wrong when
she said she called you?
A. Absolutely.
Q. All right.
A. "I doubt if you or Tom will want to re'tain
this note." I think that's an interesting
afterthought.
MR. KLUGMAN: Object and move to strike.
Not responsive to anything that I heard.
Q. Dr. Homburger, what is the Sendai virus?
A. I don't know. I said in my testimony at
the Cipollone case, through one of the lawyers,
"Let's not talk about this, because I know very
little about viruses, and you don't
know anything."
And that's still my position; I'm not a biologist.
Q. Did you test your hamsters for viruses?
A. They had to be tested for viruses because
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