Council for Tobacco Research
Deposition of Freddy Homburger, M.D. [Deposition of Homburger in the Matter of Broin]
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- Author
- Bohan, A.H.
- Homburger, F.
- Depository Date
- 08 Sep 1997
- Box
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A. (Witness reviews document) Here is one in
1971, publication on "High Nicotine Tolerance of
Syrian Golden Hamsters." So that was before that.
On November 7, 1969, the use of inbred
Syrian hamsters was first suggested by us for the
study of the effects of rodent viruses on tobacco
smoke effects then proposed by Dr. Sim of Yale who
wished to join us for this work. CTR declined to
support this project.
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So in '69 we were already
working with the smoking machine inhalation.
Q. Maybe my question wasn't clear, Doctor.
Let me try that again.
The contract you entered into with CTR
in -- that you returned to CTR on June 19, 1970, was
the contract to start the Syrian golden hamster
inhalation project which you eventually published
the articles we discussed, correct?
A. That's probably correct.
Q. So when you entered the contract on June
19, 1970, neither you nor CTR knew what the results
of that work would be, because it hadn't been
started yet; isn't that correct?
A. That's right.
Q. Now, Dr. Homburger, you've been critical of
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the federal government for refusing to fund some of
your work, haven't you?
A. Yes. Not just for refusing to fund some of
my work, but for refusing to support studies in that
direction. I didn't care particularly whether we
would get support or not -- we had already the
support from the British -- but I was very concerned
that this method would be forgotten, which actually
is what happened.
Q. And you criticized the government in some
pretty strong language in the public arena, haven't
you?
A. I believe so, yes. Why not?
Q. As a matter of fact, you, after the
government had refused to fund work in areas you
thought they should and rejected applications from
you in that area, you've said that they were
stagnant; do you recall using that phrase?
A. Stagnant?
Q. Stagnant.
A. Well, that's a mild expression.
Q. And at one point didn't you say that the
control of grants in the federal government was an
oligarchy of the few controlling the grants?
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A. Was an oligarchy; did I say that?
Q. I was asking you if you said that.
A. It's well said.
Q. It is well said; it's picturesque. And
what did you mean, what do you mean by that?
A., I meant that they were derelict in their
duty to the-public health.
Q. And why were they derelict?
A. Because as the work with the
British/Celanese Cytrel cigarette showed, it was
possible to demonstrate that a safer cigar-ette was
achievable, and our government agencies ignored
that.
Later the cigarette companies, Dr. Gori,
did these dilatory tactics by giving contracts to
the Institute in Philadelphia, where he probably
still works or where he worked after leaving the
NIH.
Q. What do you mean by dilatory tactics on
behalf of Dr. Gori?
A. Well, as he wrote me himself, it would
never be possible to develop our method because of
certain Senators' positions, and he didn't try.
Q. Do you have a copy of that letter?
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A. I think so.
Q. Did you look at that letter this morning?
A. Not this morning, but very recently.
Q. Once again, if you have it handy --
A. I'll see whether I have it.
Q. I wasn't clear, were you blaming Dr. Gori
for being dilatory, or are you blaming the Senate
for being dilatory?
A. Well, everybody. I mean, I informed
Senator Brooke from Massachusetts of this situation,
I informed Speaker O'Neill and John McCormack. I
lobbied for money for the Public Health Service with
Mary Lasker's group long before I was familiar with
the ways in which to influence this legislation and
this funding. So I used my knowledge, to no avail.
Q. So let me see if I'm clear on what you.
did. You applied for funding with the government to
do hamster inhalation work?
A. Yes.
Q. And they turned you down?
A. Yes.
Q. You then lobbied a number of influential
politicians and people in the Public Health Service
to try to get this sort of work started, didn't you?
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A. Yes.
Q. And they all told you no, didn't they?
A. They didn't do anything.
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They didn't do anything.
Why do you think they didn't do anything?
A. Because of the tobacco interests. I mean,
this is by now very obvious that the tobacco means
big money, not only for politicians but for a whole
living of whole states is based on tobacco income.
Q. Let me see if I understand your testimony.
Are you saying that you believe that the Tobacco
Working Group, the National Cancer Institute, the
Public Health Service and the U.S. Congress were all
in a conspiracy with the tobacco industry to shut
down this area of research?
MS. SCHNEIDER: I object to the form.
A. I wouldn't call it a conspiracy, but it
just happened to go in that direction.
Q. Well, it just happened, or was someone
trying to make it go in that direction?
A. Well, you know that as well as I do. Maybe
better.
Q. Well, since I was about 13 years old when
this happened, I really don't.
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