Council for Tobacco Research
Hearings Before the Consumer Subcommittee of the Committee on Commerce United States Senate Ninety-Second Congress Second Session on S. 1454 - to Amend the Federal Cigarette Labeling and Advertising Act to Require the Federal Trade Commission to Establish Acceptable Levels of Tar and Nicotine Content of Cigarettes February 1, 3, and 10, 1972 Serial No. 92-82 [Money Funded by Tobacco Companies Expended for Research Grants and Contracts to Study Relevance of Proposals Received to Smoking and Health Problems]
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- CTRMN014501-4661 Deposition of Sheldon C. Sommers [Deposition of Sommers in the Matter of Cipollone]
- CTRMN014662-4664 US District Court for the District of New Jersey Honorable H. Lee Sarokin - Docket No. 83-2864sa Civil Action - Notice to Take Oral Deposition of Sheldon C. Sommers, M.D. Antonio Cipollone, Individually and As Executor of the Estate of Rose D. Cipollone, Plaintiff, Vs. Ligget Group Inc., A Delaware Corporation; Philip Morris Incorporated, A Virginia Corporation; and Lowe's Theatres Inc., A New York Corporation, Defendants [Notice to Produce Documents Regarding Contracts with the Tobacco Institute and Dr. Oscar Auerbach]
- CTRMN014665-4666 Cipollone V. Ligget, Et Al. Our File No. 03356-113151 [Request to Present at Interview by Counsel]
- CTRMN014667-4667 Cipollone V. Liggett [Request to Take Deposition Disagreement with Tone or Content of Statements]
- CTRMN014668-4704 Thomas Hoyt Council Tobacco Resesarch 110-E-59st [Regarding Invitation to Review Experimental Material and Permit Expert to See Slides and Protocols]
- CTRMN014705-4715 Hearings Before the Consumer Subcommittee of the Committee on Commerce United States Senate Ninety-Second Congress Second Session on S. 1454 - to Amend the Federal Cigarette Labeling and Advertising Act to Require the Federal Trade Commission to Establish Acceptable Levels of Tar and Nicotine Content of Cigarettes February 1, 3, and 10, 1972 Serial No. 92-82 [Regarding Public Access to Information About Tar and Nicotine]
- CTRMN014726-4762 Hearings Before the Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce House of Representatives Ninety-First Congress First Session on H.R. 643 - A Bill to Amend the Federal Cigarette Labeling and Advertising Act with Respect to the Labeling of Packages of Cigarettes and for Other Purposes (and Similar Bills) H.R. 1237 - A Bill to Direct the Federal Communications Commission to Establish Regulations Prohibiting Certain Broadcasting of Advertising of Cigarettes (and Similar Bills) H.R. 3055 - A Bill to Strengthen the Federal Cigarette Labeling and Advertising Act (and Similar Bills) H.R. 6543 - A Bill to Extend Public Health Protection with Respect to Cigarette Smoking and for Other Purposes (and Similar Bills) April 15, 16, 17, 18, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 28, 29, 30, and May 1 Serial No. 91-12 [Hearings Regarding A Program to Sharpen the Objectives of Supported Research of Tobacco and Health]
- CTRMN014763-4763 [Correspondence Containing Information on A Booklet Explaining Insurance and Retirement Plans for Employees of the Council for Tobacco Research]
- CTRMN014764-4778 Employment Agreement Between the Council for Tobacco Research - U.S.A., Inc. And Sheldon C. Sommers, M.D. [Mutual Covenants on Employment, Job Position, Terms, and Duties]
- CTRMN014779-4826 Hearings Before the Subcommittee on Health of the Committee on Labor and Public Welfare United States Senate Niety-Fourth Congress Second Session on S. 2902 - to Amend Title V of the Public Health Services Act to Establish A National Health Research and Development Advisory Commission, and for Other Purposes February 19, March 24, and May 27, 1976 [Hearings Regarding Most Recent Scientific Data on the Higher Rate of Death of Smokers Compared to Nonsmokers]
- CTRMN014827-4893 Deposition of Dr. Sheldon Sommers [Deposition of Sommers in the Matter of Rogers]
- CTRMN014894-4917 [St]
- CTRMN014918-4921 Statement of Dr. Sheldon C. Sommers [St]
- CTRMN014922-4922 Cigaret Blame for Cancer Is Questioned [Three Doctors Question Whether Smoking Causes Lung Cancer. Investigators Validity Challenged.]
- CTRMN014923-4926 [Insufficient Scientific Evidence to Prove Smoking Causes Diseases]
- CTRMN014927-4930 Statement of Sheldon C. Sommers, M.D. Before the Consumer Subcommittee of the U.S. Senate Interstate Commerce Committee [Regarding Research on Possibility of Tobacco Causing Cancer]
- CTRMN014931-4931 Scientific Advisory Board Members 1954-1978 [Listing of Accepted and Resigned Individuals of Scientific Advisory Board]
- CTRMN014932-4932 [New Scientific Director Assists Advice in Research Planning in the Pulmonary Disease Field]
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- CTRMN014936-4938 [Confidential Run-Down of What Occurred with Homburger at Federation Meeting in Atlantic City. Paper on Censorship]
- CTRMN014939-4941 [Memo Regarding the Enclosure of A Letter to Editor]
- CTRMN014942-4943 [Correspondence Regarding J.A.M.A. Not Publishing Study About Squamous Lung Carcinoma]
- CTRMN014944-4945 [Correspondence Regarding Wk's Letter. William Kleepfer Letter to the Editor.]
- CTRMN014946-4947 ["Follow-Up to Publication in Archives of the "Smoking Dog" Reports. Summary of Recommendations Arising From the Meeting."]
- CTRMN014948-4950 [Observations Concerning Articles by Drs. Hammond, Auerbach, Messrs. Kirman and Garfinkel, Published in Arch. Environ. Health]
- CTRMN014951-4952 [Article Regarding Experimental Design, Mortality, and Lung Parenchyma]
- CTRMN014953-4955 Chronic Smoke Inhalation Experiments [Long Term Experiments Involving Cigarettes and Smoke Inhalation on Larger Animals, Rather Then the More Feasible Mice, Rats, and Hamsters.]
- CTRMN014956-4957 Auerbach-Hammond Why the Present Proposal Is Not Worth Carrying Out [Procedures in Conducting Tests of Smoke on Lungs]
- CTRMN014958-4960 Why the Proposed Study Cannot Produce Meaningful Results [Tests of Smoke Intake of the Lungs and Overall Pulmonary System Are Inaccurate with the Normal Consumption of Smoke in Humans]
- CTRMN014961-4961 No. 826 - Dawber [Framingham Material Occupies A Key Position in Reference to Factors Related to Coronary Disease]
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COMMITTEE ON COMMERCE
UNITED STATES SENATE
NINETYSECOND CONGRESS
eECOND ea66IO.
ox
S. 1454
TO AMEND THE FEDERAL CIGARETTE LABELING AND ADVER
TISI\G ACT TO REQUIRE THE FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION
TO ESTABLISH ACCEPTABLE LEVELS OY TAR AND NICOTINE
CONTENT OF CIGAREa'TES
FEBRUARY 1, E, AND 10, 1972
Serial No. 92-82
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However, I think we will proceed now, andr if Senator Cook does
not come in a very few minutes, why we wilj have to decide what
other prooedure to take.
Our first witness will be Dr. Sheldon C. Sommers, who is chair-
man of the Scaentific Advisory Board of the Council for Tobacco
Research, from New York City.
We are verc glad to hace you, Dr. Sommers. and if you would be
seated at the table, you may prooeed with your presentation.
6TATF.MEAT OF DR. SKELDON C. SOMMERS, CHAIRMAN, SCIENTIFIC
ADVISORY BOARD TO THE COUNCIL FOR TOBACCO RESEARCH-
II.S.A., NEW YO$K, N.Y.
Dr. Sommries. Thank you. sir.
Dfy name is Sheldon C. Sommers. I am a phcsician specializin; in
p~athology, director of laboratories, Lenox Hi:ll Hospital. New York.
N.Y. 1\i~ academic appointments are clinical professor of pathology.
Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons, and clini-
cal professor of pathology, University of Southern California
School of Medicine.
In April 1969 I appeared as a.oitness before the U.S. House of
Representatives committee that held hearings concerning cigarette
labeling and advertising.
Dfv curriculum ritae and publications are appended in the record
of these hearinE*s. publication serial number 91-13, 1969. pages
1055-1093. Updated publications now number 235. and there are
new committee, consultative, and editorial responsibilities.
For the past 5 years I hare served on the Scientific Adrisor%
Board. the Council for Tobacco Research. 6f which I am currently
chairman. For nearlc 3 rears I hare been research director.
The Council for Tobaeco Research-U.S.A. is funded by tohacco
companies with about $3.5 million annually. This is e:pended for
research grants and contracts awarded on the basis of decisions of
the acienttfic advisory board which considers the competitive sciezi-
tiBc merit and relevance of the proposals received to smoking and
health problems.
The board includes distinguished authorities in carcinogene: i=.
Drs. Andervont and Huebner; in heart disease, Dr. Bing; in chrum:
respiratory disease, Dr. Loosli; and in other scientific disciplines.
Our efforts are directed to helping fund investigators who ma}
discover the causes and mechanisms of diseases claimed related to
smoking tobacco, in particular cancer, chronic resgiraton disease=e and coronary heart disease. I
wish to cornmc\ briefty on progress in
and the present status of research in this area. ,
First, however, as a citizen I wish to point out something serious
that has happened in the way our government deals with our people.
This consists of selective release to the press and media of certain
technical information and conclusions while withholding the evi-
dence and sources of the material.
One example is "The Health Consequences of Smoking 1971."
which I received in printed form only after the press release of tho
10 i2 report. '
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id if Senator Cook does
-ill have to decide what
Sommers, who is chair-
ie Council for Tobacco
rs,andiffouwouldbe
. presentation.
aerxMAx, scrExrrFIc
roBACCO xES»c$-
i.-sician specializing in
1 Hospital. Xe.v York.
~rofessor of pathologn,
d Surgeons, and clint-
Southern California
,re the t'.S. House of{'
+ concerning cigarette
)pended in the record
r 91-12, 1969, pages
r 235, and there are .
nsibilit'ies.
! Scientific Adcicorr
chich I am currentl~
h director. '
is funded by tobacco
Chis is ezpen ded for
basis of dec'isions of
,ie competitive scien-
1, ed to smoking and
s in carcinogenesiR.
Dr. Bing; in cbt%io,
cific disciplines.
-
estigators who may
- claimed related to
respiratorc disease=,
-iefly on progress in
t something serious
als with our people.
d media of certain
thholding the eri-
moking19741."
)res.s release of the
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Sweeping statements about carbon monoxide in the 1972 report
are not subst,antiated by the detailed exposition in the basic docu-
ment which is on1)- obtainable in typescript cppies passed hand to
hand like the "samizdat" in Russia.
Budgetary restrictions, inertia, and inefficien~v cannot excuse a 1-
year delay in receipt of this governmental publication supposedly
sent to all physicians.
.
Other examples may be cited such as a press release concerning
oral hvpoglycemic drugs for diabetics based on an unpublished and
unavailable research study later reported as not above valid
criticisms.
Diabetic epec ialists have used petition to the Government as their
only available means of redress since various appointed officers, com-
mittees, commissions, bureaus, and so forth, are apparently extrale-
gal or supralep1.
In a technologic age, to announce medical and other nonmilitary
discoveries and decisions, keeping restricted or secret the basic data
and their source, is dangerously- nondemocratic.
IN7iere are the traditional checks and balances? Where is the
informed electorate or the informed 1e~sslator?
Now to consider problems of smoking and health. In respect to
lung cancer, a focus of attention, the newly published standard
American textbook of pathology, 6th edition, IN. A. D. Anderson,
editor 1971, hSosby Co., St. Louis, includes this statement by Dr.
1faz Ilillard, page 964: "The close relationship between certain
types of lung carcinomas and cigarette smohng has been made well
L-nown, as has the lesser relationship to cigar and pipe smoking.
Whether or not a csuse-and-effect relationship has been proved is a
blend of logical. statistical. and emotional argument."
Note the omission of mention of biological evidence or scientific
proof. I leave aside the emotional involvement.
Presumabl}~ by logical argument is meant t~he idea that smokin~
ought to be harmful, whether it is so proved or not, originated b}
King James, and a moot question ever si.nce.
There remains the statistical e%-idence to consider. Association does
not mean causation and, in 1940, on this basis, the main cause of
lung cancer was considered to be tuberculosis,
Statistical mathematics so far developed deal successfully largely
with random populations. Since smokers and nonsmokers are self-sc-
lected, no randomized~rtoups exist to oompare.
The application of inappropriate mathematical formulas thus
cannot provide a valid result when smokers and nonsmokers are
com~ pared on a one-to-one basis.
The errors in death certificate diagnoses used in most such studies
are estimated at 25 percent to over 50 percent.
Bias and the missionars zeal of some investigators who have
refused to release their datn for review cast a pall on their conclu=ion=.
The Royal ColleFe of Phssicians' report, available in 1971, consid-
ered statistical evidence oi the increased disease and death rates
among British doctors who smoked cigarettes as the strongest indi-
cation of their harmfulness.
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In iLanoet, the current danuarv 1972 iseue, is an art.icle by Dr.
Carl Sehzer, Harrard School of Pablic H.e.ihh, pointing out criucal
defects in these comparisons and aoncluision8.
Last year's strongest statistical evidence' appears destroyed this
year. I salute the edtbmial board of Lanoet for this eia.mple of Eng-
1'ish fair play. One doubts that Dr. Seltter would have been allowed
to pnblish this paper in a comparable U.S. medical journal.
The kev point is that in a new and unoertain acaentific diecipline,
still deve)opmg its teehniques and a better understanding of the
bis+es in~olPed, neither reliance nor decisions based on the etatistical
epidemiolog-.r of lung cancer appear warranted.
LunF cancer research in animals has progressed little in two years.
We still search for a reliable animal model inhaling whole fresh
amoke in a natural way approximating huaian amoking.
The reports of cancer in tracheototnized dogs appear generally
discredited. The importanoe of genetics and the viral oncogene in
lunF tumors is increasing, based on findings in onioe, hamsters and in
tissue culture.
Genetically pure cell lines exposed both to an onoogenic Tirtis and
a chemical irntant transform m tiewe culture into neoplastic-type
cells where neither agent alone produoes transformation.
The cells are of connective tissues, the tumors are sarcomas and
there is no current relevance to human oarcinomaa which are eom-
posed of epithelial cells.
HoRever, the amazing technical advances in viroloRc in the past 2
years provide hope that similar viral genes in epithelial celis may
turn on and initiate some animal qr human catcinomas..
L'ntil at least this is achieved it is premature to implicate or to
exclude various chemical substances, including whole tobacco smoke
pondensate--so-called tar-or its fractions..
_Nicotine, of course, is not carcinogenic.
For bre%-itv, other less spectacular adrances in cancer research are
omitted.
In respect to chronic piilmonary diseases, particnlarlv emphysema
and bronchitis. a slow advance continues in the techniques of demon-
atrating clinical, phvsiologic, and pathologic indicators of these
conditions.
So long as pathologic emphysema means something different
regardinR its presence, type, and eztent microscopically to each of
nine different experts in the field, as reported recentlc, a consensus
concerning causes and developmental stages cannot be eipeeted.
Important new information has come from sputum cytology. Tis-
suedigestinlr enzymes ag ecting the lung are genetically eontrolled
nd explain some emphysema.
The curious absence of emphrsema in most hegtces, regardless of
environmental and other factors, deserves more inquirs.
To blame cigarette smoke, condensate--so-called tars-or nicotine
for bronchitis-emphysema is simpl~ to accept a delusion in our cur-
rentl. earlv stagr of understandinF these conditions.
Coronars heart disease is the most common and serious disease
claimed related to smoking and thus the most important public
health problem.
When a condition affects to snmo degree, based on clinical tests.
nearly half of middle-aged and older men, and when a majority of
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medical journal.
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eter understanding ef the
ons baeed on the statistical
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greeaed little in two years.
xlel inhaling whole fresh
uw smoking.
ed dogs appear geuerally
Lnd the viral oncogene in
s in mioe, hsmsters and in
to an onoogenic virus and
tlture into aeopla3t.ic-type
naforwation. -tmnors are saroomas and
ircinomas Khich are oom-
es in spl !ithelial toelli may
xrcinomas. ,
nature to implicate or to
iing wbole tobaooo smoke
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ces in cancer research are
particularlr cmphrsetna
I ~the techniques of demon-
ogic indicat.ors of these
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ted recentl~, a oonsensus
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:re genetical ly oontrol led
st IN-egroes, regardless of
ire inquiry.
)-called t.ars--or nicotine
pt a delusion in our cur-
d itions.
mon and serious diwre .
most important publi ~.:
, based on clinical tests
and when a majority ol
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these men among other things smoke, it is a very difficult problem in
multifactorial statistics to sort out the oontribution of a single
factor. .
Evidence claimed to show a dose-response relationship of cigarette
smoking to heart attacks, based on the earlier cruder statistical
methods, is too uncertain to be conclusive.
Now that both a nutritional and flonnutritional coronary circula-
tor-v flow pattern are recognized, better understanding of rather par-
adozical find'uigs of either increased or decreased total coronary 8ow
after nicotine ma~ be possible.
EfTects of nicotine on tissue metabolism in coronarn arterial walls
are being studied. The question is as vet unanswered.-Tobacco smoke
condensate seems of no practical importance in this field.
Finally, to comment on carbon monoxide, information available
for S to 3U years scarcely justifies emphasizing it is deleterious to t1.e
smoker.
Headache is a simple indicator of increased blood carbon monoxide.
The basic information that a nonsmoker confined 8 hours in a<<
unventilated smoke-filled room shows increased blood carbon monox-
ide is scarcely surprising.
Traffic tunttels and auto exhausts are more everyday exposures tn
, ercess carbon monoxide.
Traditionally, those who spend eight hours in unventilated
amoke-filled raoms are politicians which sug~g s the possibility that
politics mav represent a health hazard. (Laughter.)
Senator 'Moss. At least I agree with your last statement, doctor,
and perhaps that is one of the reasons I am anxious to get the
smoke-filled rooms ventilated, so we won't have headaches.
Your argument, as I take it, Doctor, is that there has not been a
medical fLidtng of the precise cause of carcinoma, and therefore Nxe
uaght to disregard the statistics that shorv there is some relatioiisliil,
that aauses it: is that right?
Dr. So3tactt,. 11-e11, sir, I make no argttment. I attempt to review
the field in m} own experience and come to the conclusion that the
canse of cancer in general and lung cancer in particular is unknown
and, therefore, to impute any specific cause other than ionizine
radintion is probably undesirable at this time.
Senator Moss. Well, you do not dispute these random statistical
figures that are assembled, do you?
' I)Y. .~(At~ITkS. Well, sir, in commenting on the statistics I would
like to point out that there has never been made a studv of random
human beings with respect to smoking. This would be difficult to
achieve; the statistical studies quoted in the smoking and health
reports are based upon older techniques, manv of them on a one-to-
one basis, and the mathematics we have availeble and what we have
learned about statistics in the meantime render these conclusion: 1
think unreliable.
Senator '.lfoss. How do you explain that there has not ever been
anv contrarv set of figures published showing that those who
smoked had *an equal dentli rnte, an equal incidence of the,4~ vnrious
diseases.1 mean the British, Isruelis,Japanese, and all tLe otheiai!
. Dr. SuLUFns. Yes, sir. -
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In respect to early death, I would like to cite the book predicting
studc in the Veterans' Administration
lon~e.it} by Rose and Bell, a
in Boston, still going on, of agrouIi of veteranS
~1'lien the} examined ear)v death in these veterans, using the
simple statistics, oneto-one comparison of smokers and nonsmokers.
they found, as had other studies, that smoking was the number one
prndictor of early death from an~ cause.
Then when the~ applied ne~er and more sophisticated comrari-
Bons, they found that cigarette smoking completel. dropped ofl thP
list as a predictor of early death. It vras somewhere beyond the thir-
tieth factor that they haa identified.
So. I believe that was one of a number of studies that do nnt stip-
port the idea that cigurette smoking is a cause of overall incrcA=:d
earlv death.
I~can cite serie.Q of stttdies of smokers in respect to coronary di=-
ease in which the cigarette stnokers had either no increased coronarN
dicense, or in some cnses had less coronarc disease.
Senator'.1foss. Well, if you have any such studies, I would like tp
bave them to include in the record.
If it can be shown that smoker~ are equal to or hace less dPath
knd di-ea--e than nonsmokers, why, I think we ought to have that in
the record.
I have spent a numher of Tearg in this field and held a lot of
4tearinp, and I have never seen any information of that sort.
And I wonder about the medical profession itself. after the re,)ort
of the Sur¢enn Genernl, the use of ctg,irettes by ~1.D.'s dropped dri-
hiaticallT and has remained down dramaticallc.
Don't * }ou think the medical profession generally is convinred
there is a caiisal connection ?
Dr. t(1>I~1F.H~. Clr. the medical profession generally Fe!s tl~~Pir
information sernn~lhand like other peorle in the communit~. and
they are susceptible to propa~anda like other members of the
oommunitv.
In respect to the citations you requested. they begin on page 1nnc,
when I am being questioned by \Sr. Eckhardt, and there are also
some inclnded at the end of thet same volume of the l;'.S. Hoii--e of
Representatives Reports, when the chairman, Mr. Staggers. askrd
me to respond to a letter from the then Surgeon General. And that
begins-piirdnn me-that begins on page 1414 of thnt same volumr.
serial number 91-12.
enator Moss. Page ]414 f
S S
Dr. Sox.tcRs. Yes. page 1414, sir.
It is divided into sections, sir, and in reference to coronary hcart ,
disease, that part is on ha;*e 1416.
Senator N1naa. Yes, I see it.
Are you familiar, I)octor, with a paper entitled Smoking nnd
Lung Cancer Recent Evidence, and a Discussion of Some Quectior.s
utthnrod b} Jerome ('ornfeld et. al and published in the Journal of
the \atinnxl Cancer Institute in 1959.
IDr. Sn)t3tERE. Yes, sir.
Senator '.kioac Ikiesn't it answer rirtnallc all the dnestinnr that
have been raised by skeptics about the health hazards of smoking? j
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to cite the book predictinF
t 1'eterans' Administration
rans.
these veterans, using the
' smokers and nonsmokers.
)king was the number one
)re sophisticated com')ari-
ompletelv dropped oft the
imewhere berond the t1dr-
,f studies that do not sill)-
:!nuse of overall increased
i respect to roronar} dis-
her no increased coron;iry
7a se.
h studies, I would like to
ial to or have le-- death
we ought to have that in
field and held a lot of
:ion of that sort.
on itself. after the retort
c be'1jD.'s dropped dra-
1 generally is convinced
on generally gets their
in the communttc. and
other members of the
:hec begin on page 1096,
3rdt, and there are also
ne of the L'.S. House of
in, \Ir. Staggers. asked
eeon General. And that
14 of that same volume,
>rence to coronarc heart
entitled Smokin~ and
=ion of Some t;neqtior.s
i:hed in the Journal of
all the qnestinnc thnt
azard~ of smoiin~ ?
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Dr. Soxxims. Well, sir; in a question, the ansvers' to which is
unkno.rn, and in which an article is subtmtted, that dm not over-
throw the whole sittution o[ medical tbin~.
Senator Moss. I wonder if vou could aupply for us, as you did for
the House Cominittee, discussion and answer, a detatled answer, to
the materials in this paper that I refer to by Cornfeld T
Dr. 5oxxEns. I will be pleased tQ.
Senator NIoc.s. Thank you.
We will place that in the record, and that srill help us with our
background studs.'
Jenator \Iosb. I think, Dr. Sommers, when you testified before the
House Interstate Foreign Conuanerce Committee, you stated that you
were one of several members from non-A..'tLA- and nongo vernment
groups appointed to a subcommittee, which was to establish priori-
ttes for research in those areas Rheree there were deficiencies in
knowled-e re ardin-smokinR and health
)-
11'onltr cou suppfr us the teport of that committee, which you
stated in April 1969 Rottld be ready in about a month (
I)r. Sointra. Yes, sir.
The committee was organized under the Secrrtan of IIF11'.
Cohen, and then St+ctetarr Finch. It consisted of representativee of
the ANLk, Research Foundation Committee on Tobacco and Heaith,
of inenibcrs from the \ationnl Institutes of Health: and members
from the Scientific Advisorv L'onrd, Council for Tobacco Researcli.
We were asked to develoh a document dtat would explain the t 1>s
in knowledge in the smokute and health field and rrioritir: tor
filling these gaps.
We held several mectinrs. a number of drafts were prepnred of
what was to be a joint statrtneut.
As it turned out, we could not reach artrement with the represent-
atives of \lII on various parts of this document because amoi:g
other things, they insisted that we accept 'as proved that lung cancer
is due to cig-arettc smoking.
We then agreed to delete from tlle document everything on which
members of the subcommittee disatreed, and only to have a docu-
mcnt that would include tlle gaps itl knowledge *and priorities for
filling them on which everyone agreed.
But this was unsatisfnctorv to the NIH representatires, and conse-
quently, no joint document has ever appeared.
. We have the fiunl drnft of thc document prepared by Dr. Loosli,
and m~self. for the Council of Tobacco Research. ~'ou are welcome
to a col,c of this docttmeut.
11'e liave met with that same group subsequentlc. we hare
e:changmd itifurmntion on grants that are funded, and the wny the
field is developiu~, and we hope for more meetings. But mifortu-
natel~, a,'oint document has never resulted.
Ot,e otl~er reasun Rhv it Itas not is the KIHpeople alwa}s had a
budget page in their tietsiott of the document. it appeared that the
other groups in essence were helping them to develop abudpet hro-
gram to be submitted'to the Congress to help programs within the
NIH.
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Senator D1osa. Would you provide the committee with a list of the
acientific papers published in the last 10 ;ears which 'you think
should have been considered in the preparation of the reports that
were not oonsidered /
Dr. Soxx¢rea. In the reports of the Surgeon General, I will
gladly do so, sir. .
Senator Dfoss. All right. I
That will be made part of the record'
Senator Moaa. I think you stated vou are a patholoFict. doctnr.
and therefore you work in the field of examination of bodies rather
than prexribing for those who are ill.
Iw onder if one of your colleaJtues came to you and asked ~ou
whether he should recommend to his patients thai they smoke. would
you suggest to that physician that as far as you were concerned,
there is no reason that the patient should not smoke, if he felt like
it?
Dr. Soxxxs. Sir, I do not prescribe and I do not advise people
on most subjects.
It is not a part of my personality, and in particular, I do not ad-
vix people to amoke. Div position is that as people become adults.
they drive aatomobiles. flv airplanes. drink aloohol. smoke tobacco.
engage in sexual intercourse, and I don't advise them to do these
thmgs, but they do them.
Senator Moss. That was not the question.
Would you counsel your physician friend who asked you that as
far as you were concerned, there is no reason why the phvsician's
patient should not smoke if he felt like itY
Dr. Soxxxs. I would advise him that in my opinion there is no
serious significant health hazard for the average person who smokes
in moderation.
In this field, moderation is never mentioned.
Senator Moss. Well, maybe that is the key word we are looking '
for. moderation.
You do think his smoking ought to be done in moderation ?
Dr. Sox^xitc No sir.
As I say, I cannot advise people how to behave. I think some. for
reasons unltnoRn, feel the need to smoke more than others. and some ~
i
ll
'
garettes at a
, like myself. And I don
t frrl
feel no need to smoke c
in a position from my training and experience, to tell these people
what to do.
Senator Dioss. I am not ea3-ing we are going to compel anTbodr to
do anything But I come to a physician and I ask him for advice
about my health. And presumably I pay a fee for the advice, and I
espect him to advise me.
He is not going to compel me. A physician might tell me never to
touch another piece of bread and butter and that would be his ad-
vice, although it would not compel me to Jo so.
Dr. Soacaa.us. Sir,-I think that the health problem has been ocer-
emphasized with respect to tobacco smoking, and particularh ciga-
rette smoking.

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>m.mittee with a list of the
0 years which you think
ration of the reports that
Surgeon General, I will
are a patholoFist. doctor.
mtnation of bodies rather
ne to vou and asked vou
:ts that they smoke. would
r as cou were concerned,
not smoke, if he felt like
id I do not advise people
n particular. I do not ad-
as people become adults,
k alcohol, smoke tobacco,
advise them to do these
id whar asked You that as
ason why the'phcsician's
n my opinion there is no
erage person who smokes
!d.
,kef word we are looking
e in moderation?
behave. I think some. for
ore than others, and some
myself. -And I don't feel
ience, to tell these people
)ing to compel anTbodc to
md I ask him for advice
fee for the advice, and I
an might tell me never to
ind that would be his ad-
so.
:h problem has been orer-
ig, and particularly ciga-
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I leave to the individual physician to decide what ad%-ice he gives
to the individual patient.
Senator Afoss. Do you think this mattei of moderation that you
mentioned might have to do with the eztri particulates that the one
who is immoderate and goes beyond and it gets into his system
rather than being moderate and not.getting as much 4
Dr. Souia:res. Sir. my belief is that these are different kinds of
people, psychologically and neurologically. Tou can't compare them
.crth each other as if thec were the same kind of person.
Senator \foss. Well, I*agree. Everybody is different.
But I still haven't been able to get you to say what was modera-
tion.
You would not advise them to smoke beyond moderation I
Dr. SomwExs. No, sir. I really would not advise a person with re-
gard to smoking. unless Tou wished to qualify that and give me an
example of a sick person who is seriously or mildly ill, and in cer-
tain circumstances I would think smoking would be belpful to the
patient and in certain other circumstances, I think it would be
harmful.
It is impossible to answer without more detailed information.
Senator '.%Ioss. When cou testified in 1969, you said that as far as
Sou were concerned, there is nothing new in regard to smoku>g and
carcinogenesis in the 5 -rears since the original Surgeon General's
re Mu cou still agree with that now 9
We have extended it sometime now.
Dr. SoaMcns. Sir, there is always more new information. I think
.;h,u was mennt was that there Rere no new basic findings or revo-
lutionary findinFs.
Whit I find tntcre5ting in the last °Tears, as cited in mv state-
ment, is the indication that viral partScles concealed in cells make
the-e cells more susrel>tible to transform into neoplastic-like ce11=.
when there is exposure to quite avarietc of substances, and also
radiation.
I think that is exciting.
Senator Moss. \Ce11. on the basis of Your testimonc. are we to con-
clude tljat the medical profession in Canada. Britain. DenmarL. and
Sweden. and Israel, Japan, Poland. and ninnc other countries, are
all on the wrong track becau~e they have come out with reports con-
nectiiig eigarette smoking with the diseases we have talked of. and
have rrcoaunended to their governments various programs for less-
ening smoking 1
Dr. Sc».%tt:R. Sir. I speak onh for myself.
These organizntions have reviewed the published evidence, nhicl)
is largely statistical. They have accepted it, to my mind overenthu-
siaCticull~. at a period .~f~ere this part of science is sti.ll developing,
and the~ have come out with resolutions.
If th~re were i>oR a controversial problem, it is doubtful that reso-
lutinns would be in order.
There is no resolution that I know of that poliomcelitis is caused
by the polio virus. So we.have here a resolution ol organizations,
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oommitte.es, and governments. Medicine is'a very individual thing
and medical research and its advance are based upon individuals.
I think if you .vill contact the individuals actively working in the
8eldd lung canoer, emphss+ema, bronchitis, and coroiiarf disease. you
will find no such unantmtty of opinion.
Senator Moss. VFell, there ma} not be a unanimous opinion but
the vast preponderance of opinion in the medical profession now is
that there is a causal connection and that not onl} that smoking
causes these diseaeQS, but that high tar content in the tobacco smoke
increases the incidence, and, of course it is based largely on epide-
mioloFical data.
That is the way to measure it as far as human beings are concerned.
I don't suppose we are going to hook any indi%-idual up to n ciga-
rette-smoking machine to studc him.
Dr. Soacattsa Sir, statistical mathematics can never prove cause
and effect. All they aboR is a relationship requiring further stud~,
usuall~ experiments in animals, to find out the meaningfulness trio-
logicallc of this relationship.
I really believe that among the active researchers in these fields,
there is no great preponderanoe of feeling that cigarette smoke is
carcinogenia
Senator Mosa. In your stat,ement, you quote the Standard Anieri-
can Textbook of Patholog,r, sixth edition.
Is that an extensive book, and bow much of it is devoted to lung
cancer nnd cigarette smoking?
Dr. Coxattxs. It is a two-volume work. I believe it runs at le:.st
1,500 pages.
The new chapter bv Dr. Millard is an eztensive chapter. V}~ mem-
orv is that there are at least five or six pages, double culumti. that
deal with lung cancer.
Senator Moss. Are You acquainted with Dr. \iillard ?
Dr. Souxzns. I have never met him.
Senator Moss. I intend to w-rit.e a letter and ask him to further
e=pand this statement about cancer and cigarette smoking. and I
will include whatever his answer is in the record, if Le will respond
to mv inquiry.
. He is wstructor in pathology at the University of Miami, is that
oorrect ?
Dr. Soxacntts. My memory is, he is associate professor of pathol-
0
nator',foss. I see.
Thank cou verr much.
Well. I'regret [hat Senator Cook has not come.
Since Senator Cook should have an opportunitc to ask anvques-
tions he wants to. I would ask you. Dr. Sommers. if vou Rould re-
main and perhaps return to the table if Senator Cook veould like to
question you.
Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
Dr. Soxxxs. Thank you.
Senator Moss. Our nett witnees. will be Dr. Robert C. Hocl--ctt,
Associate Scientific Director of the Council for Tobacco Research.
Dr. Hockett, Rill you come forward, please.
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