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Deposition of Robert F. Gertenbach [Deposition of Gertenbach in the Matter of Rogers]

Date: 07 Oct 1985
Length: 142 pages
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1 2 3 5 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 1e 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 NO. E-121, 4f6 I.D. ROGER':, INDIVIDUALLY* IN THE DISTRICT COURT AND AS INDEPENDENT * EXECUTOR OF THE ESTATE OF* MAf:JOR I E HELEN ROGERS, * DECEA SED, ET AL * OF VS. * R.J. REYNOLDS TOBACCO * . COMPANY, ET AL * JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - NO. D-122,149 KAREN R. DUKE, * IN THE DISTRICT COURT INDIVIDUALLY AND AS +~ EXECUTRIX OF THE ESTATE * OF FLA I NE J. RABALA I S, ~ UECEASED, ET AL * OF VS. * R.•J. REYNOLDS TOBACCO * COMPANY, ET AL +~ JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DEPOSITION OF ROBERT F. OERTENBACH VOLUME I , - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - WITNESS IN THE ABOVE-STYLED CAUSE, CALLED BY THE PLAINTIFFS, TAKEN BEFORE BECKY BEACN, CERTIFIED SHORTHAND REPORTER FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS, AT THE BEAUMONT CIVIC CENTER, BEAUMONT, TEXAS, COMMENCING AT 9=50 A.M. ON THE.` H DAY OF OCTOBER, 1905, PURSUANT TO THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS AND WAIVER OF COUNSEL, PURSUANT TO NOTICE. f--------- TAXABLE COST DUE BY THE PLAINTIFFS. BEAUMONT COURT REPORTERS CTR MN 000667
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2 F L I ., F I 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 APPEARANCES: HON. WILLIAM E. TOWNSLEY TOWNSLEY, BUSH, LEWIS & RAMSEY 3550 FANNIN BEAUMONT, TEXAS 77701 APPEARINO FOR THE PLAINTIFFS HON. ROBERT F. MCDERMOTT, JR. JONES, DAY, REAVIS & POGUE METROPOLITAN SOUARE 655 15TH STREET NORTHWEST WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-5701 - AND - HON. MARGAF:ET L. VANDERVALK AK.IN. GUMP. STRAUSS, HAUER & FELD 4100 FIRST CITY CENTER 1700 PACIFIC AVENUE DALLAS. TEXAS 75201-4618 - AND - HON. WALTER J. CRAWFORD, JR. WELLS, PEYTON, BEARD, GREENBERG, ' HUNT & CRAWFORD PETROLEUM BUILDING BEAUMONT, 'fEXAS 77701 APPEARING FOR THE DEFENDANT, R. J. REYNOLDS TOBACCO COMPANY HON. JOHN T. MARTIN HON. DEBORAH TANNER SHOOK, HARDY & BACON MERCANTILE BANK TOWER, 20TH FLOOR 1101 WALNUT KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI 64106 - AND - HON. JAMES J. SANDMAN ARNOLD & PORTER 1700 LINCOLN STREET DENVER, COLORADO 60203 - AND - GILBERT I. LOW ORGAIN, BELL & TUCKER 470 ORLEANS BEAUMONT. TEXAS 77701 APPEARING FOR THE DEFENDANT, PHILIP MORRIS, INCORPORATED BEAUMONT COURT REPORTERS CTR HN 000666
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I f I- 3 Pi n [ I I L I L L ~ I 3 5 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 HON. JAMES W. RAYHILL CARTER, LEDYARD & MILBURN TWO WALL STREET NEW YORI', NEW YORK 10005 - AND - HON. CHESTER J. WROBLESKI HON. ELIZABETH T. MARREN JACOB, MEDINGER V FINNEGAN 1270 AVENUE OF THE AMERICAS NEW YORK, NEW YORK 10020 - AND - HON. HAROLD PETERSON PETERSON, PETIT & PETERSON SAN JACINTO BUILDING BEAUMONT, TEXAS 77701 APPEARING FOR THE DEFENDANT, COUNCIL FOR TOBACCO RESEARCH-U.S.A., INC. HON. FRANK C. JONES KING & SPALDING 2500 TRUST COMPANY TOWER ATLANTA, GEORGIA 30303 - AND - WON. DALE DOWELL RIENSTRA, RIENSTRA & DOWELL 470 ORLEANS BEAUMONT, TEXAS 77701 APPEARING FOR THE DEFENDANT, BROWN & WILLIAMSON TOBACCO COMPANY HON. THOMAS E. BEZANSON HON. AUDREY KEVY WILNER CHADBOURNE, PARKE, WHITESIDE & WOLFF 30 ROCKEFELLER PLAZA NEW YORK, NEW YORK 10112 - AND - HON. SAM CRUSE ANDf:EWS* & KURTH 4200 TEXAS COMMERCE TOWER HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002 APPEARING FOR THE DEFENDANT, AMERICAN BRANDS, INC. AND THE AMERICAN TOBACCO COMPANY, INC. BEAUMONT COURT REPORTERS C TR HN 000669
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I r 4 I 1 I i I 2 3 4 5 6 7 HON. DANIEL C. DUCOTE STRONG, PIPKIN, NELSON & BISSELL SAN JACINTO BUILDING BEAUMONT, TEXAS 77701 APPEARING FOR THE DEFENDANT, LORILLARD, A DIVISION OF LOEW'S THEATRES, INC. HON. LEA COURINGTON MOORE & PETERSON 2800 FIRST CITY CENTER DALLAS, TEXAS 75201-4621 APPEARING FOR THE DEFENDANT, THE TOBACCO INSTITUTE, INC. r HON. GAIL C. JENKINS BENCF:ENSTE I N, NGRVELL, BERNSEN & NATHAN 600 INTERFIRST TOWER BEAUMONT, TEXAS 77702 APPEARING FOR THE DEFENDANT, ' GROCERY SUPPLY COMPAN I ES, I NC. C L ~ I L ~ L. ~ Ir 13 14 15 16 17 1R 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 IN ATTENDANCE: HON. MICHAE`L W. HOGUE WEBSTER & SHEFFIELD 28cC1 TEXAS COMMERCE TOWER HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002 APPEARING FOR THE DEFENDANTS, LIGGETT GROUP, INC. AND LIGGETT & MYERS TOBACCO COMPANY, INC. HON. OTWAY B. DENNY, JR. FULBRIGHT & JAWORSKI BANF; OF THE SOUTHWEST BUILDING HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002 APPEARING FOR THE DEFENDANT, UNIVERSAL TERMINAL uAREHOUSF COMPANY BECKY A. BEACH, CSR, RPR 'E+EAUMONT COURT REPORTERS 23`o EASTEX FREEWAY BEAUMONT, TEXAS 77703 MR. CORNIE CRAWFORD MRS. EDNA WOOSTER BEAUMONT COURT REPORTERS CTR HN 000G"r''0
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f ~ I 1 I 2 3 j 4 j S 6 r~ L 7 r: $ I L 9 I 10 11 12 13 14 iJ 16 17 r 18 L 19 I 20 - 21 L 22 23 L 24 L 25 5 IT IS STIPULATED AND AGREED BY AND BETWEEN COUNSEL FOR THE RESPECTIVE PARTIES HERETO THAT THE WITNESS MAY S IGN THIS DEPOSITION BEFORE ANY NOTARY PUBLIC; NOTICE OF FI LING BEING WAIVED, AND THAT SAID DEPOSITION OR ANY PART THEREOF, WHEN SO TAKEN, MAY BE USED ON THE TRIAL OF THIS CAUSE WITH THE SAME FORCE AND EFFECT AS IF THE WITNESS WERE PRESENT IN COURT AND TESTIFYING IN PERSON. IT IS FURTHER STIPULATED AND AGREED BY AND BETWEEN COUNSEL FOR THE RESPECTIVE PARTIES HERETO THAT THE NECESSITY FOR PRESERVING OBJECTIONS AT THE TIME OF TAKING IS WAIVED. EXCEPT FOR THE FORM OF THE G?UE':TION AND RESPONSIVENESS OF THE ANSWER, AND THAT ANY AND ALL OTHER LEGAL OBJECTIONS TO THIS DEP OSIT ION, OR ANY PART THEREOF* MAY BE URGED AT THE TIME SAM E IS SOUGHT TO BE OFFERED IN EVIDENCE ON THE TRIAL OF THI S CA USE. BEAUMONT COURT REPORTERS CT tiN ~ 0006{ 1
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r t 6 li r L I I L L L L L L 6 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. TOWNSLEYl IF WE COULD START THE DEPOSITION, I BELIEVE THE WITNESS HAS ALREADY BEEN SWORN IN. SO, IF WE COULD HAVE APPEARANCES FOR THE RECORD NOW. MY NAME IS W.E. TOWNSLEY, BEAUMONT, TEXAS, REPRESENTING THE PLAINTIFFS. MR. RAYHILLI JAMES W. RAYHILL, R-A-Y-H-I-L-L, CARTER, LEDYARD & MILBURN, TWO WALL STREET, NEW YORK, NEW YORK, REPRESENTING THE C.T.R. MR. WROBLESKI: CHESTER J. WROBLESKI, W-R-O-B-L-E-S-K-I, JACOB, MEDINGER & FINNEGAN, NEW YORK CITY, C.T.R. MS. MARREN: ELIZABETH MARREN, M-A-R-R-E-N, JACOB, MEDINGER & FINNEGAN, NEW YORK, NEW YORK, REPRESENTING C.T.R. MR. MARTIN: JOHN T. MARTIN, M-A-R-T-I-N, SHOOK, HARDY & EACON, KANSAS C I TY, MI SSOURI , REPRESENTING PHILIP MORRIS. MR. JONES: FRANK C. JONES, KING & SPALDING, ATLANTA, REPRESENTING BROWN & WILLIAMSON TOBACCO CORPORATION. MR. LOW: I'M GILBERT LOW, ORGAIN, BELL t~ TUCKER IN BEAUMONT, AND I REPRESENT PHILIP MORRIS. MR. BEZANSON: THOMAS BEZANSQN, CHADFQURNE & PARKE, NEW YORK, FOR AMERICAN. MR. CRUSEs SAM CRUSE, ANDREWS & KURTH, BEAUMONT COURT REPORTERS E. ( R t t t'`E 00ti..•f 672
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7 r , ~ .3 0 r I r L I L L I 1 2 3 4 J 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 HOUSTON, FOR AMERICAN. MS. WILNER: AUDREY WILNER, CHADBOURNE & PARKE, NEW YORK, FOR AMERICAN. MS. JENF:INS: GAIL JENKINS, BENCKENSTEIN, NORVELL, BERNSEN & NATHAN, BEAUMONT, GROCERY SUPPLY COMPANIES, INC. MS. TANNER: DEBORAH TANNER, SHOOK, HARDY t~ BACON, REPRESENTING PHILIP MORRIS. MR. SANDMAN: JAMES SANDMAN, ARNOLD & PORTER, DENVER, COLORADO, REPRESENTING PHILIP MORRIS. MR. HOGUE: MIKE HOGUE, WEBSTER & SHEFFIELD IN HOUSTON, REPRESENTING LIrGETT & MYERS. MR. CRAWFORD: WALTER CRAWFORD, WELLS, PEYTON IN BEAUMONT. REPRESENTING REYNOLDS. MS. VANDERVALK: MARGARET VANDERVALK, DALLAS, REPRESENTING REYNOLDS. MR. MCDERMOTTe ROBERT F. MCDERMCITT, JR., JONES, DAY, REAVIS & POGUE IN WASHINGTON, D.C., REPRESENTING R.J. REYNOLDS COMPANY. MS. COURINGTON: LEA COURINGTON, DALLAS, REPRESENTING THE TOBACCO INSTITUTE. MR. DENNYs I'M OTWAY DENNY, FULBRIGHT & JAWORSKI, AND I REPRESENT H.E.B. AND UNIVERSAL TERMINAL WAREHOUSE COMPANY. MR. DUCOTEt DAN DUCOTE, STRONG, PIPKIN, BEAUMONT COURT REPORTERS CTR HN 000673
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r 8 I Eli i 2 3 4 5 6 r L 7 [ 8 L [ r l 16 17 r L I L L 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 NELSON & BISSELL, FOR LORILLARD. MR. DOWELLt DALE DOWELL, RIENSTRA, RIENSTRA & DOWELL, REPRESENTING BROWN & WILLIAMS4N, FROM BEAUMONT. MR. PETERSON: HAROLD PETERSON, BEAUMONT, REPRESENTING C.T.R. MR. TOWNSLEY: THIS DEPOSITION HAS BEEN NOTICED IN TWO CASES IN THE DISTRICT COURTS OF JEFFERSON COUNTY. TEXAS; ONE BEING CAUSE NO. E-121,486. THAT'S THE ROGERS CASE THAT'S IN THE 172ND DISTRICT COURT, AND THE OTHER ONE BEING THE DUKE CASE THAT I DO NOT HAVE BEFORE ME AS. FAR AS THE NUMBER, BUT IT'S IN THE 136TH DISTRICT COURT. . IN HAVING OUR STIPULATION=, IS IT SATISFACTORY, MR. RAYHILL, FOR ALL OF YOU TO USE THE DEPOSITION TO FILE IT ONLY IN THE ROGERS CASE AND HAVE IT AS IF TAKEN IN THE DUKE CASE, AS WELL, WITHOUT HAVING A DUPLICATE COPY OF ALL THE MATERIALS FILED IN THE DUKE CASE? MR. RAYHILL+ THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO C.T.R. MR. LOW: THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO US. MR. TOWNSLEY: IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO EVERY ONE? MR. DOWELLs THAT'S AGREEABLE WITH US. MR. LOW: I ALSO UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN BEAUMONT COURT REPORTERS v- C TR HN 0006"f : `-4.
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f 9 i r 2 n ... 3 4 J 6 L 7 Ii [ [ 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 25 16 17 1 20 21 L L L 22 23 24 25 ( AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN YOU ALL TO WAIVE OBJECTIONS, OUR STANDAND AGREEMENT, WHICH WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO US, UNLESS SOMEBODY FELT THEY NEEDED TO MAKE A STATEMENT OR OBJECTION, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO SOt BUT OBJECTIONS WAIVED UNDER OUR USUAL AGREEMENT. MR. TOWNSLEYt S0, OBJECTIONS WILL BE WAIVED EXCEPT AS TO FORM AND RESF'ONSIVENESS? MR. DOWELL$ THEY WON'T FE WAIVED, RESERVED. MR. TOWNSLEY: RESERVED. MR. RAYHILLs THERE ALSO HAS BEEN AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN MR. TOWNSLEY AND MYSELF THAT THIS DEPOSITION AND THE DOCUMENTS IDENTIFIED AS EXHIBITS IN THIS DEPOSITION WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE AUGUST 20, 1935 ORDERS OF JUDGE KING AND JUDGE THOMAS FOR NON-DISSEMINATION UNTIL FURTHER ORDER OF THE COURT; IS THAT CORRECT? MR. TOWNSLEY: THAT'S CORRECT; AND THEN, I THINt; THAT WE HAVE AGREED THAT AS FAR AS THE ORDER IS CONCERNED, THAT THE MATERIALS CAN BE SHOWN TO PLAINTIFF'S EXPERTS, BUT THE IDENTITY OF THE EXPERTS WILL FIRST BE DISCLOSED TO THE DEFENDANTS. MR. RAYHILLt THAT IS CORRECT, AND ALSO THAT THE EXPERTS WILL BE SHOWN THE ORDER OF JUDGE THOMAS AND JUDGE KING AND INSTRUCTED BY YOU AS TO BEAUMONT COURT REPORTERS CTR HN 000675
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r c F Ii 1 2 F 1. 0 L L I r 3 4 5 6 7 6 9 10 11 12 13 14 ~ 15 u C [ I L 16 17 16 19 20 21 22 23 24 I 25 10 THEIR OBLIGATIONS UNDER THOSE ORDERS. MR. TOWNSLEY= CORRECT. 'THIS DEPOSITION HAS BEEN NOTICED, AND I THINK THAT THE FINAL NOTICE IS WHAT'S BEEN DENOMINATED AS THIRD AMENDED NOTICE OF INTENTION TO TAKE ORAL DEPOSITION. IT CALLS FOR THE DEFENDANT, COUNCIL FOR TOBACCO RESEARCH - U.S.A.. INC., WHICH WE WILL REFER TO FOR CONVENIENCE AS C.T.R., IT CALLS FOR C.T.R. TO DESIGNATE WITNESSES TO DISCUSS VARIOUS TOPICS THAT ARE ENUMERATED IN THE NOTIC E AND FOR TF4E CUSTODIAN OF VARIOUS RECORDS TO PRODUC E THOSE R ECORDS. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MR. ROBERT GE f;TENBACH HAS BEEN DESIGNATED AS C.T.R.'S WITNESSi IS THAT CORRECT? MR. RAYH ILL: THAT'S CORRECT. MR. TOWN SLEY: HAS HE BEEN DESIGNATED TO DISCU:S ALL OF THE TOPICS ENUMERATED IN THE NOTICE? MR. RAYHILLt YES, HE HAS , TO THE BEST OF HIS ABILITY. * ~ ~ ~ ~ * BEAUMONT COURT REPORTERS CTR HN 000676

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