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- 1984. Grant, N.O. 1595r1 Entitled "Alveolar-Airway Barrier Permeability, T.O. Liquid And Macromolecules, I.N. Dog And Sheep Lung.""
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THE COUNCIL FOR TOBACCO RESEARCH-U.S.A., INC.
Dec. 10, 1984
Me.crorandum
Zb: Dr. S.C. Scamiers and Staff
Frcun: D.H. Ford
Re: Site visit with Drs. N.C. Staub and R. Conhaim, University of
California, Cardiovascular Research Institute, Nov. 14,,1984.
Grant No. 150,5 R1 entitled "Alveolar-airway barrier permiability
to liquid and macromnlecules in dog and sheep lung."
Goal: To understand how liquid accumulates in the interstitial space around
airways and blood vessels leading to or from alveoli to eventually flood the
alveolar spaces and produce pulmonary edema. These investigators are attempting
to find the site where fluid leaks from the interstititun into the airways. They
are errploying dog and sheep lungs and 'backfilling' the airways with fluid con-
taining evans Blue tagged albumen and observing where it leaks back into the
interstial spaces...a sort of reverse flooding process. They hope that this
model reflects what actually occurs in the genesis of pulmonary edema in life.
4hether or not such a'reversefilling' process will truely define the sites
where edema fluid leaks from the interstitium into the airways remains to be
determined.
Questions being considered:
1. M-iat is the storage volume of fluid which may accumalate in the inter-
stitial space before it 'floods' over into the airways? How can one measure it?
2. Mat causes pulmonary edema to occur following head injury? Are there
neural pathways involved.
3. Miat is the site of leakage from the interstitium into the airways (at
the alveoli or somewheres along the bronchiolar tubes)?
4. How permiable is the leakage site and how large a molecule can pass
through the pores where leakage occurs?
Some answers to the above questions are beginning to accumulate as indicated
by the following data:
Data accumulated-presented by Dr. Conhaim, since Dr. Staub was not able to
present at the site visit: Their major progress, as indicated in the recent progress
report has been to develop their mcdel of perivascular-peribronchiolar fluid cuff
formation. The mxiel provides the basis for the projects on liquid pressure and
volum° measurement, pore size and site of fluid leakage.
Initially it appears that the volume of fluid accumulated in the dog lung is
al.nnst twice that occuring in sheep. Fluid volume is determined by point counting
on sections wherein the presence of the fluid in the interstitial space is indicated

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by the presence of Evans Blue tagged albumen which leaked into these spaces with
the water (Fig. 1). (Note that these 'cuff' interstitial spaces were filled in
reverse following airway filling with the water/albucten/dye mixture). Further, the
longer the time of exposure, the greater was the volume of fluid in the cuff space
(Fig.2). Also note that in dogs more fluid accumulated around the small than the
large vessels (Table 1). With sheep, the smaller vessels also tended to have
larger cuffs, but there were irore large vessels with cuffs (100%) than smaller
vessels (22$~ (Table 2).
Studies on pore size for leakage suggest that there are some holes with a
radius as large as 15 nm which will permit liposomes to leak through from the
airways into the interstitium as well as pores with radii as small as 3.5 nm,
which still permit albumin to leak through. Water, with a Mlecular radius of 2
nm will of course pass through both. Their calculations have lead them to assume
that there may be some pores with radi as large as 75 nm. They hope to resolve
the problem of determining the sizes of the various pores through which leakage
can occur by using latex particles of various size. These particles will be coated
with the albumin tagged with Evans Blue.
The site of fluid leakage does not appear to be in the alveolar sacs since
ferritin particles (5.5 nm diameter) were shown by IIM studies to not be able to
pass from the alveolar space into the interstitium. However, since such ferritin
particles were observed to penetrate the interstitium surrounding the bronchiolar
tubes, it would appear that at least some leakage occurs along this segment of
the airway. Further, some ferritin particles were observed within the intracellula2
clefts between the epithelial cells, suggesting that the site of leakage is between
cells.
Comme.nt: Drs. Staub and Conhaim appear to have made some progress on a project
in which Dr. Conhaim appears to be the primary investigator. However, they have
a long way to go before they begin to obtain the answers they seek. Further, I
am not sure that their m)del wherein the interstitial spaces are filled with fluid in
a manner which is the reverse of the way it would normally occur will provide answers
relevant to what occurs in vivo. The study is possibly worth continued support
during the R2 year. However, if considerable progress has not occurred by the
end of the third year, I would doubt if continued support would permit conclusive
results to be obtained.
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EFFECT OF INFLATION T1ME
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VESSEL DIAMETERS, MM
Effect of time on size of perivascular fluid
cuffs in liquid inflated dog lungs. Size is
expressed as cuff-to-vessel ratio, which is the
size of the fluid cuff divided by the size of
the vessel it surrounds. Data are shown for
vessels of three size ranges, corresponding to
the range of diameters used in modeling cuff
formation. Inflation times ranged from 1 to
300 min in 8 lungs. One hundred vessels were
measured in each lung. Bars: + 1 s.d.
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PER i URSCULflR f LUt D CUFF PDPULflT10N I N
LIQUID INFLflTED DUG LUNG LDBES
Vessel
Diam,
(mm)
AVERAGE FRACTION OF
CUFF-TO-VESSEL VESSELS WITH
RATIO * CUFFS
PA'st PV's* PA"s PV's
1 min Inflation (1)'"
< 0.5 0.94 (2)9 0.91 ± 0.1 (3) 0.30 0.08
0.5-1.0 0.36 ± 0.1 (3) 0.56 ± 0.4 (14) 0.75 0.75
> 1.0 0.44 ± 0.2 (5) 0.33 ± 0.1 (13) 0.33 0.89
3-6 min Inflation (2) -
<0.5 3.8 ± 3.2 (22) 2.6 ± 1.4 (62) 0.95 0.59
0.5-1.0 1.8 ± 1.3 (10) 2.2 ± 1.3 (27) 1.0 1.0
>1.0 1.4 ±0.9(18) 1.3 ±0.6(15) 0.94 1.0
15-20 min Inflation (2)
<0.5 4.0 ± 2.1 (18) 3.2 ± 2.2 (44) 0.63 0.45
0.5-1.0 3.7 ± 2.5 (17) 2.2 ± 0.5 (18) 0.84 0.79
> 1.0 2.6 ± 1.4 (9) 2.2 ± 0.6 (15) 0.70 0.75
45-300 min Inflation (4)
<0.5 3.7 ± 1.5 (38) 3.5 ± 1.3 (78) 0.91 0.38
0.5-1.0 4.0 ± 1.7 (34) 3.2 ± 1.4 (64) 1.0 0.97
> 1.0 3.5 ± 2.4 (15) 3.0 ± 1.1 (37) 1.0 1.0
x: meon ± s.d.;': pulmonbry orterys; *: pulmonary veins;
-: no. of lobes; s: no. of cuffs.
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PER I UHSCULAR FLU I D CUFF POPULHTI DN IN L IQU I D
INFLATED SHEEP LUNGS
AVERAGE FRACTION OF
CUFF-TO-VESSEL VESSELS WITH
RATIO # CUFFS
Vessel
Diam,
(mm) PA'st PV's* PA's PV's
3 min Inflation (1)"
< 0.5
0.5-1.0 No fluid cuffs were present after 3 min of inflation.
> 1.0
15-20 min Inflation (1)
<0.5 2.0 ± 1.2 (17) 3.3 ± 2.3 (7) 0.28 0.33
0.5-1.0 2.7 ± 2.5 (20) 1.1 ± 1.0 (1) 0.47 0.33
> 1.0 1.4 ± 1.3 (36) 1.1 ± 0.5 (2) 0.90 0.67
30 min Inflation (1)
<0.5 4.4 ± 4.4 (27) 2.1 ± 1.6 (3) 0.66 0.1
0.5-1.0 3.9 ± 3.5 (20) 2.9 ± 4.1 (5) 1.0 1.0
> 1.0 2.9 ± 1.6 (15) 0.6 ± 0.3 (3) 1.0 1.0
45-180 min Inflation (3)
<0.5 4.1 ± 2.1 (56) 2.1 ± 1.2 (15) 0.5 0.26
0.5-1.0 3.7 ± 2.1 (35) 0.8 ± 0.1 0 1) 1.0 1.0
> 1.0 1.8 ± 1.1 (51) 1.0 ± 1.5 (20) 1.0 1.0
mean ± s.d.;': pulmonary arterys; *: pulmonary veins;
-: no. of lungs; s: no. of cuffs.
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