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In The Matter Of: David Burton and Ora Burton v. R.J. Renolds Tobacco Company, et al. David Burton Vol. 2, November 8, 1994 Jay E. Suddreth & Associates, Inc. 10104 W. 105th Street Overland Park, KS United States G6212 (913) 492-0111 Orlginal Ette burtor~vl, 210Pages Word Index included with this Min-U-Scrlpt* 2~021S2S
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David BxLrton and Ot'a Burton v. David ]Sxxt'ton ILJ. Renolds Tobacco Company, et aL VoL 2, November 8, 1994 IN THE u;qrTED STATES OISTRICI COURI FOR THE D~S~ RICT OF KANSAS oAkqo ~ ~ BURTOM. ) vs ) N0.04.2202.JWL p1 R, J. R EYNOLDS ~'OBAC CO C,O. ) a~ THE AMF~qlCAN TOBACCO CO, ) De f en0~r3t't. ] 59 [11] VOLUME II (PagOt1226 to 434) DEFQS[I'IOM OF DAMID BURTON. produced, s,at urn. ar,d exat,~taed on I'u Dsffay. the Slh ~lay [13] M No~*~et, 19~,4. tmtwa~ the hours o~ 8:O0 o'¢k~k [1~Ida'/ al t~) ~w o~$ of ~ort. Mat & FL~2 BII. PC, ?~O0 West 110th ~roat, SuM. 500, L~ the Gr~/Of [IS~ O: erle.mJ P~ Cour t~t oT Johr~n. ~ato 61 K~r~, EAR BA.~U~ Q. BARI~[-f. RPR.CM [17] "s ,,¢A~ EN CROSSLEY, CSR, RFR Rs~[st erea proof *~ior~a~ Re¢o rt~m day E SU DDI~ ~r4 & ASRO~iAT ES, tN'~. SL~IO 1GO 10t04 Wt*St ~05~ ~'eet C~ • F~U'.~ paJ~ Ka~LS 55212-b~4~ ~gl] C~ri~ ~hor~ha~J [~ epor t~ m ¢/tvMtt ~ lur ir,~ ~1~ o f ~ea aext M~ssrmrl. T~en o~ ~ M D~c*~La~i.t p~uard IO Not~ to Pa~S ~S ! It] APP Fdd~kNCE S F0r Ihe P~/~I~=; HUMPHREY, FA~F:tINGTON & McCL~IN* PC AqorrYq~ tq Law [4] Su~Q 4C0 221 Wt~Sl L~xlr~on ]nde0er, doe.ce, MO 84051 By: MR. }gENtCETH B. McCLAIN [6] MR. GREGORY LEYH IS] STINSO;~ M*,~G & FIZZ~LL. P~ Nlorr,ay~ ~d Law ~ ~01 Walr, m Slmet 10] Ka~se$ C~y, MO ,~4106 By: MS, TFS~E~'X L CLARK ~1] and JONES, DAy, .q~AVI$ ,t pO~UE P61omey i al Lgw 2"300 ~mmr~ I Cr ~w C(m/er 13] 2~1 Ross A~r*ze Dar~s. T'£ 7520 ~ BY: MS.b~tDNk~fBOSWORTHMCDOL~ I$] For tt~ DelerM~ ~l~er~sa Tob ac~ Co~parq: BLACK~E LL. SANDF_qS, M&THEI~, WE.~qy & L~MBAtt~DI AIto~ ar Law Su~ 1200 g,~ 1 bxl~q CrOOk Pa~ Overland p~trX. K~ 6~ 10 By:MR. J~'.ME ~ D. ~IFFIN and CHAOBO~JRNE & p#P,J~ Atlor~,sys ~d Law 30 RO~fe~er F¢~Lelt NOWYOr~ NY 10112 By:MR BRUCE G. SHEFFL£R MR, dAME~ MIRRO INOEX DAVI[:* B URq'ON VO~JME II PAGE ~] Cor~lau~ Cto~.Ex~r~2k)n ~y Mr Sberller 22Jr Re0L,~I ~ angr~t~0r~l)y k~$. MC~Ok~ 3~J $1grmlur~: 433 CertitUde: 434 gq EXl41BrTS E.~41B[T PAGE [~ NUMBER DESG~IPTION I~F~RF2¢~D [~ 2 Dr. Kram~ vr~d~c~J f ~or d 33¢ 3 11~-93 rm~cal r ~.ord Or. Harr~ 380 In] 4 h;storf ca~ physlo~d 386 5 not~o [4 em01o~ r~ 405 oxc~pt lr om r~w'gm0~t 408 tal tO 21] Z~ ~) Z~ pal~ 226 2~202~529 pa~e 227 Jay E. Suddreth & Asso. 913-492-0111 Min.U-SCripto page 225 - Page 227
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David Burton David Burton and Ora Burton v, VoL 2. November 8, 1994 I~L J. Renolds Tobacco Company~ "et aL. {q (Deposition commenced ~t 9;50 a.m.) DA'C]D BURTON. l~ of lawfol ~g¢, al~er ha~, trig been prevlou~ly duly sworn ~ to tell the tnlth, the whole tolUL and nothing but the truth, testified as follows: CRO~EXAMINAT[ON (Cone) 17] BY MR. SHEFFLER: it] Q: **,if*'. Btlr to~ we're going to re.me the ~] depo~tion this morning, and I have ~ ~w more [10] qu©stiolts/or you, You trader $t2~ d that you're sti]/ [11] trader oath to teU the truth? A: Yes. QZ L~t me teU you, Mr. B~t orL ma}' tm0e you [l~] want to t~e a break t od~y, just indicate and sr~p, ~md [1~] we ~ ta/¢¢ a break. You cart go oq( aaxd r~t or* the [161 behead, if }'ou hke, or ~,t ever. A: I =ppreeiat¢ it. Qt How ~c yo~ ~eling th~ morning, sir? A: Oh, better than yesterda~ Q~ Good. Good. ~21] A: A 10t ~:ner, Q~ Have you taken any medic=t~ons today- before [2~ you cmmae to the depositiort? ~ #d I m~ m~" blood th/nner every morning. Q: Tlxat's the ~rdy me'cation you took today? I*] $c ye~ [~ Q: The c.ther thLng is if you c~m remember, sir, [~ to answer yes after I ~li~h ~i~y questloil or no but Rot [*1 ah.-hul~ It wLll make things tnove along a little bett~r here- And I'll try to wait until you fir~ sh aax*wering [~ If you ~ to wait until I ~xi~h because the reporter R i~ going to have a difficult ti~c getting both of us down like the reporter ~d },e~$te~da]~ ]s that Okay? I~ Fine. [14 Q: IXd you have ma~" discu~ion~ =~ith yot~r wife Ull ~F about ~e depositlon? ~ A: yes. pal Q: What did you Lalk abou i~ [~q g: Said it was enter raining. i1~ Q: You had a good rime? {1=1 ~ W~L I [~med somedxing, you know. TO~ i* [1;] the ~rst time that I went to somethiRg ILke the, artd [t R it ~ -- I tm~oyed [t in a ~n*A:, you kno~ I'm [~ I~ar~tlrag, you Imov~ Q: Wh~t ~ ~ou [e~rnin~, sit ? [21] ~ you're tx~ing to ~scre~[ me, ~md I'm ~ telling ~e truth. Q: O1~ Oka~ W~I, p~u under stud, MR. McCI~IN: He got [L He got it pretty lq wel~ didn't he? ~1 Q: (~¥ ~'~L':. Nrmlfler) YOU und~*~nd. ~ Bu r ton, r~ t~¢ p~o~ of my ques~ort~ here ~ to find out what tq you I~ow and wl~t you did and why you C~d iL ~t's Q~ Did yo~ talk to your wlx"e al~u¢ I/le ques~ol~ ~ we were ~ldng ~u! A1 NO. Q: Did ~u u~.Ik t o ~gi~:iy cl~e ab~u t ~e 1111 de~0o~? A1 No, Q: Did you ~k your wife about .t~y p~t even~ ~4] ~.t '~r e c[k~nls~d yesterday at the depositiom~ ~ No. Q: l~ve you r~,'icwed an~nll since your [I~ ~e~si~on that relates m ~17 ~" to thi,~ ~e? A: [ r~d t~e p~per ~h~t we l~d her e. TI~. t's Q: The complaint that was roar ked as r~] ~it 1 yestcr~! ~1 A: I~3~ul~ I re~d it ~es.I r~d t~L ~ Q: ~1~o. t do you un~r sl~.nd that to ~, s~r? ~*] A: A ¢ompl2.int ag~[ the lob~cco CO~p~l~ pa~l~ ~2g psgl 230 [II aga~lst the [obieeo compm~y? A: yes+ [~] O: A~d that+s wlmt you're seeVang d~mages for? [4) A: Rts.ht. [51 Q: Did they set fvrth in ~hat complaint }'ottr I~ clui~s, aJl of ~o~r cLai~ s against the tobacco m CO m panics? [al A: [ ~rCt r emerAbe¢ [~ Q; AS you read t2tat complaint, wa* there [t0] ~1~1li1~ that puzzled you? LIll A: NO. Like I Said, 1 read it, you know, Io see I1~] what was -- what all v,as behest said, you ta~ow. :1~] Q: W~S ~lexe anything in Lhere that you wcr¢ :14] untrue about? A: 1 *~-s ¢ov0petent of wkat my Lz~ers wrote I~1 Q: rm sorry! t*I St: I'm competent w~th what they ='rote down. tu/ Ti~ ey're here to help me, y~u kno~ ~0~ Q= RJghL sure. Did they talk to you about that ~q complaint- &: NO Q: -- beA'ore yester~Lay? A: NO. MR. MOCLA/N: Objectlon.That's priv~eged [I] infoIx~.~tlon ~nd )-ou don't need to rcspolld to that [~ que*dofl, He knows it. OI A: YOU ~ked me yesmrda)' did [ -- had ] seen thin, and I to[d you ]1o Q: (By Mr Sb effle~) Now, MZ. B~r ton, when you [~ ~d tl~c complaint, did you see thee ~ a ~ iil thee for eom~pir~cy? [~ A: No. 1~1 Q: You don't Imow an)'k'aing about a Chlm in th~ I~ c~t~ for ccr~pieacl'l ii] A: NO. r~ Q= Let me a*k ~ou a few quesrlon~, slr, about [taq some o£ycur work hist or~ Yesterday we taL~d a 11.1 little bit about the WOrk you did in coastru ctiorL Do t*8 you rec0LI that? [t~ A: 0Nods head.) Yes. Q: you told us you worked at ~azlou $ It~q const~o~aon $ite* ia ~l A: yes. Q: DidyouwotKatafftycomtl~Acdo[t*it~L11 /~11 Miasourip ~ No. Q: You've never worked at COnSLtUCdOn 1,1 ~] Mi~ou*i? ~zg A: No, pa~2o231 pag$2B2 pa@e Q: tlow about in CalLfor ~ A: No. o: SO aJl yott¢ Co~on w~ dort¢ ill Kans~t~.~ ~l ~t: Ia Kans~. Q: YO~ ro*ntlo~¢d there vos one firm I thlak you [~ worked for w~ W~t$on? {7] A: W~t son Cor~tr~ctioft. Q: What is Wat*or~ Con~tructiow~ ]| it ~ M corporate oil or is it • sole proprietor ~p~ 50[¢ ov~er~ [~0~ oft¢ m~x m MR. McCtAIN: If you know. .~ I don't know Cemcn t ]ughwal's, you knox,, I~] co~Lr~tion work, 141 Q: (BF ,Mr.Sheffler) By the wa~ ~fr. Burton, you Is] understand that all my questions I ~sk you. you ~rc to 16] ar~wer if you k~ov~ you understand that. dotl't you? ] o] don't vamt you to make thuags up. [t~ only d you ts] Imo~ i~ A: Welt m MR. MeCL~IN: He d~n't w~nt ~ Da.,ld, just Zll bomu*~ hc did, ,rod that's f~dr, and I'm glad that he z~] did t/mL but they doesn't w~t Fou to gucs* either. r~ "/~cy'r e ~km8 ~u what you know. So U" }ou k~ow what l~l kand of m Z~l ~E DEPONENT: W¢~t oon=ux=cdon -- =hey ~ '~ 0 ~ 1' ::} 30 P~ge 228 - Page 233 Min-U-$crlpt~0 Jay E. Suddreth & Asso. 913-492-01Xl
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David Burton aaad Ora Burr on v. David Burton R~J. Renotds Tobacco Company, et aL VoL 2, November 8, 1994 1I] dor~'E ka~ow whaE co~ta~tcUozl work is. Cor~ [oJctlo n I~ ~-ork is Cement -- ~I MR* M©CLAIN: No, he'* a~klng ~rou do yoll Imow [.I ~]at IdJKt Of coJ~ap~uly it was, was i[ a CC*I~ oratJoll or pmr t~ership- #q ~E DEPONENT: No. no. Oka~ I dicln'[ (q andcrstand, Okay. is] MR. McCLAIN: Right ~J THE DEPONENT: Thank you, because I chdnrt [1el Lmder starld. [11] Q: (By Mr. Sheffier) That's fm c. Any time you 112] ~c~r t't unde~s taq d Of you're unst?a-e L~ any bay, you iust {~] say so. Ila] ~: A: O~y. IISl Q: /rod we'll do o~r best to explaln it Where [1~1 w~s Watson? Where v~a this place Watson C~nstrucUor~ ll?l where was it Iocated? Was it in Kansas? Yes? (Igl A: yes, okay. [I¢] ~: Wz* it F2:aporla? ta0l A; Emporia. yes [21] O: No~ ~ there -- did you wo£k ol~I of An l~ office? Did you work out of a -- A: Coristr~etion. O: Okay. At Labor er. tq Q: ~ were a laborer? At A laborer. p] Q: You were in a Iabor g~g? [q A: ]qol ft ot on cor~strdctiotx pd Qt Were you a member of the union? Were you a membe2 of any tmdc union ha the constractlon ~eld~ [7] /U NO, I vra*n'L ~1 0: YOU were a laborer the~ ~1 ~ A labor~,nght. [la] Q:AJxddddyouworkoutof~mToY~icc, any [11I ~ -- A: No, Q: Di~ you repot t to any eer ta~ -- I~b~ 0: I~t me finish the que~Uon. Did you repot t I16] to a cerra~n location every cLay and then get taken to a Iw] jobsRe? [1~ .~A: No.' 11¢1 ~ Q: You reported right to the jobsite? ~ At l~ght, yes. [~11 Q: Now. wat*on xc*s one ef the construction ~xns [2~ or compa~,ie$ that you Worked/or? A: yes. Qt Tht~'¢ were other companies? St: ye~, It] Q: What w=¢ the othc~ companies? A: Kxw paving. G: CaB? [*] A: Kax~, K~ w, I thlnl(- l'~ G: ggw? ~il A: Ka~ lCaw+ K. I?] MR. GRIFF1N; Kaw. it] A: gaw pavinji. FJMR. McCLAJN: T~lC y'r~ not flora Kans~. I~01 Da'qd. Scc. he do~n't Ioxow what Kaw ~s. ~hc Kaw it I] R/~rcr Js IGa-v~, Ka,w Counr,~ [121 Q: (By M~. Shefl~cr) So tJmt's the name of the ~*{ paving company? 0~1 A: Kaw Compan~ paving. psi O: Who wan you~ s~pct~.isor there? [1~ At I don't rcme~aber, ~t's been years ago [I~ O: HOw m~qy years? [~al A: yc;u*s ago, [~91 Q: HOW 1©rig did you work there? go? A: I don't know. I don't remember. [~l MR. SHEFFLER: Off the recora. V~I (O if-their e©ord disc~ s sio~.) 0: (By*Mr. Shemer) When you v*'Orked for the ra] pa'nng company, di~ )~u work out of any office? P~3 A: No. page 224 papa 23~ Fag~ 2~ Q: Yau reported I© Lhe jobslt¢? A: Yes. Q:And what ~hd you do then? Whe¢lba£row ceR3ent, shovel ~cm=nt. Q:Did you mL~ ccmer~t! A:NO Q:It v,~ ;all from a Lr~ck? A: y¢-ah. O: Rca dy-mLx? A: prior, uh-huh Q: D~d you do any ~spha~t p acing? A: I think I did it once¸ I chdn't c~re for thai w©fk_ Q: When you did the asphalt w©rk. were you '[*S] working behind the talc k.7 11~] A: ~orm setter. (1~ Q: You made the forms for the asphah? Iisl .~; I set the forms, [1~ Q: Did you $¢t the forms for the Cement as weaI? [2o] A: R~ght, form setle~. [~lj Q: ~o that was carpenrsy t3~e wor k? [z~ A; No, it's steel. YOU hart©Be the steel flames. tz~ the forms. O; 3"nese were Steel fi~tmcs? A: Righc. {1~ O: /rod then did I'ou helffpour the cement off the F4 ~ek? ~] A: ~o, no, Q: H©W lon~ did you work ~t the paving cc~mpany? A: "Fdt the iob ~as aone Maybe a mo~t/x [b~ 0: "~ Was iust li~e a ~onrla of txvo? 7~ A: Right, certain j0b. pl Q: DO you remember any ©©workers thee? ~I A: No. [10]Q: HOW did you get the job! [11] A: Out of work* you go ask for a iob. [127 Q: Okay. It ~ a place you a~p Ileal? ,~ A: K~ghL right. 3*] Q; HOW about the Wa Lmft Construction? How long IIS3 did you work for them. did you say? 3t~ A: "F~II the job ~tas done I don't knov~. I 1.3 don't remember how long it took to get the job done. ~sl Q: HOW did you ~d out about the fact they *~] needed help? A! JUst in the paper or, you I~ow. you h~r. ~1] rm riding around ml~ yo~ know. t~ to find wor~ z~ you knov~ I find work. Q: What else d~d you WOrk at? A: Oh. the gra~ dryex there in Empor~. Q: ~,Vha C $ that? Pa~237 psge 23~ pa~e 239 JayE. Suddreth & Ass©. 913-4920111 MJn-U-Scrlpt'3 Page 234 - Page 2 9 2S2021.53
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David BuJrton David Burton and Ora Burton v. VoL 2, November 8, 1994 R, J, Renolds Tobacco Company, et aL U] don't recall frames Q: you c2~t 't re•all a single person you WOrked A: No, I cxn't remember the boss's n~me, IS1 Q; ~Zhere cJse did ¥ou work b* ¢ons[ru¢~on! A: ~la t's that packing company that used to be [91 here In [C~. J~as City t/~t moved to Emporia! T~ey moved is] a p ack~ng eomp ~ny ~J~d moved it to Emporia MR, McCL6.1N: Meat p~ck~g? A: Yes, meat ~,ackmg comp~m)~ 111 e y move d ~'om I1 t] ]C~r~ Ci~' to Empor i~, but I c~nt recall the f~me of [1~1 that, but l w~rked there for chem. [ls] Q: ~ByMz SheJ~ler) Did you work for d~e [lq m~ t-packlng company~ [ls] A: Uh-huh, [1~ Q: They pald you? (1~ #2 Right. [IRMR. McCLAIN: "When you say uh-huh, you have I1~ to say ye~. [~ A: Yes. [21] O: (~By .Mr. She~r) The T gave yo u }~uf [22] payc~ec]d ~l ~ Yes, ~24] Q: kud how [6ng did you work for them! At Oh. you tried to get -- what do you 0l it -- ",eniority. At¢~ you work tea days, ff you work t~ elcvca, you're i~ for good, so I worked tea d~ys.Ti~cy 0] put I~e oft ~uaoth~ dclT~u~¢rxt, ~o=ked z, nothef ten da)~ [q and they put me in ~axothef dcpaxtment. They did~t't [4 want me. hi othe~ words, to gc~ scniorlty to work for [9 U~em, so ] worked ten days ~nd ten day~, te~ da}~, ~] v.'hatever dcpar 2ment. and then it v~as over because they [~] didn't ~t me to ~et that el~-euth daF, so you know -- ~] Q: So you didn't get may bettefits -- [101 /u /4o. [t q Q: -- =s a fulbt~me eropto)'ec? Q: Did you do main[¢rt~n¢¢ ~rk hhere or [14] colx*t~uctioft ? . l~l ~ ILancC2ed mt~t [le~ Q: OIX you h,tndied meat? [o1 A: H~ndicd me~t, y~u know, sho~dder a~d pu t ~mr tl9 hand ~p on them mid you hang it up on a hook. [19 Q: Oka~ you're indicating Uxat you took the meat ~md I~ut it up on you~ should~ -- ~II A: Rlghr~ ,ta~Q: -- ~nd hung it up oft a ho~k.~ ~m] A: P.ighL hung it up on a l'ack and then tie ~t~] c2min~ to the hide of cow~ you knov~ that's aleut iL tz~ Q: Tixi~ ~ hi a meat~acldng plant in Empo~m? A: yem]x Q: DO you recall1 who your boss vea~ there! A: NO. [41 Qt A~d you say you d~d this for how tong? IS] A: Oh. m~ybe a ma~th, t~o Lke [ said, they I~ didn't ~t me ~* get that eIeventh da~ I~ Q: And all this time you wer~ just o2rym8 meat ~] back :rod forth m3d handlkag it? A: A~ad sometim=s -- like I ~.id, t~n day* I ~y [1~ do that Tlxe next t~rt days [ do *omcthing =L~, ~3¢ {I li r~xt t~t days I do something c~c.You ~mders~d what V~ I'm ~yln8 ? tl~q Qt L~-huh, uh-hu h. XVha t i~ Lhe longest [t4] constr~ction job p0u had? 1'9 A: Oh, maybe a month. IIS] Q: A month/ {1~] A: Maybe two, I~q Q: That's t~e longest job you had? [~R lt~ RaLtroad w~ the longest w~rk* you knov~, ~] cotJpl~ of ~'ea~s, t~rec Dr fou~ -- t~O y¢~-s Q: Dld you ~eY consider gettmg into the umon? A: They never did btmg it ~p. Q: Well, d~d you ever bring it up? A: NO, Q: Did you k2x~w that there wa~ -- there v*-x~ a Page~40 Pae~o~41 Pa~242 Pa~O243 [11 CorisU~cfion unio~ at that tilfi~ A: I presumed the[¢ w~ Q; Did you know that there w~? A: I said I presumed there wa~, l didn't ask no (S] questions. I Was gLad to work. I~] MR, M¢CLAIN: Jim, explain to him about pl Ka~, would you! [~] Q: (By Mr Sheffler) Did you work on ~ny toads [9 for ~e state of Kan~asl A: Wetl. let's see, Watson ConstructJoa -- we i] ~Jd t~• h2ghway going west. [ don't I~lo~ I doa't t~ re~t~c0~b¢=, We workcd ott Lhc bighwa~ the bridge~ ~td -- Q: Did you woxk oa the ~ t~rtpike~ A: No, it w~rCt the mrrxpike, iu~t the hlghw~~ Is] Q: you ~d~1"t work t>rt the Kansa~ 0arfxplke? A= No, wasn't the ~xnsa~ turnp±ke. It w~ the 17] Mghwa~ $] Q: But you worked on Kansas highv~ty$~ I~] A: Yes. Q: Did you work for the Sutt¢? Zl] A: Just compardes that they bld it and they got the ~ob, Q: $o you worked foe a cc.mp~my? A; Right, different compalxi¢$, as] Q: DO ~ou recall what the n,~me of the company [q w~s? A: Warxo n Construetlon Company Watson -- ~1 Q: "f'nat was "~aLson t oo? pI A: Watson Constroet:on. [~ Q: &nd what dM you d~ on the ~fighway job? Was 19 this paving again! itl A: Sam~ t hing, Labor er, shove[ cement Like go [9 off to the slde and you shovel it, t~k~ burlap ~md lay ~1 [t a~ros~ to keep 01c cement ~om o'lcc~ag, you ~alow, I~ Q: D~ring this tlm= Tou said you also worked oa I1] bri~ge~! St= LTh.huh. Q: What w~ your job in the bridges! 14] A: Up on r2aose pier s "~ith a ,;ackhammer a~d ~R dr d~in.~ holes for the be~ma to set h'~ bolt doWrt i~ 16] Q: SO you were on a pie~? I~ A: Just like that holds these bridges up, the I~ wide pier. ['m stan0hag up there with ~ a~er ~md i~ I'm drL~ those holes, four holes. Q: How big was the pier? A: Just big enough where you could st=rod.Just :r~ hl~ the piers on the hig.kwa ~ I~ Q: Can you roughly tel1 m~ how ~mmy feet a~ross ~V.] it w~s? A: WJde ertough for "fou to sLtnd on. f~ge 244 pag~24~ [1] Qt About maybe 4 feet at~ross? A: ! guess. [~1Q! Maybe 4 feet by 4 feet? [4] A: [ gaess Q: And you were up there how lagh/ A: High enough. Pl Q: wen, a few storiest 0s] ~t: yes, if you're going to fall you'r ¢ hut L ~1 Q: Igyou fall -- [101 A: You hUrL [1 q Q: you're hurt bad? O~ A: yealx if you ~ML you hmt. v0] Q: It w~s a pretty risk'/activ~? i~l A: Sure. I~Sl Q= Did you get p~dd extra to do that job~ I1~] A: No. t~ O! It was iust p~I of the Jo'% [Isl A: Just p~rt of the iob. I1~ Q: Were there fome mcn that wouldn't get ~p there and do that worl~ 12q St: [ don't know. O: But you took that risk: tight? ~] A: Sure¸ [~4] Q: YOU ~nder StC~d that by t2.king that ris page 240 - Page 245 M~n-U-Scri1~t~ Jay E. Suddreth & A~so. 913-492-0111
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David Burton and Ora Burton V. David Burton ~,~J. Eenolds Tobacco Company, c¢ ~L VoL 2, November 8, 1994 it1 A: [~n't~carc~orhcig.~zu. Q: YOU Weren't sc~-cd ? A: rm l~ot ~cared Qf heights. ~'. $o i~ was a tlsR )~u v~rc w~3dczg to ~akc? MR. M©CLAIN: O~ect to the form of the is) quesdop.~ Q: ~y i~'. ShefflcO ~vnen you '~cr c dc~Lng this pq JaekJaammering up thc~c, Mr. Bur ton, did you bare ~ny {~0~ ~r0¢~"c¢/¢c £:/oO2xzg ~r gc~-~ Did )'o<~ ~za,,g- a hacd haI? (111 !~A: Hardhat. [1 ~ ~ Q: Did yOU h~vc SCccI-toed sho~s~ 0~i ~ AZ SI~C. Q: Did To~ alxvays wc~r L~osc stcc~t~d shells? A: Right. O~ ADea~ on dac i~b? A~ Tncy 5~rn~shcd thorn. Q: Thoy gave Lhemloy~u? /Z: ¢Jh.hu~orwcboug~t~hem. I~e~ted~hey ~] V.'~3tcd 3,oll to wc~- Ozcs~ shoes, [~11 Q ; HO~¢ about ~2a~ h~d ha~ Did you wear the kard ~lU" A: Tncy f~z'nishcd them. Q: 0~d~ou al~y$ wcaz ~hcm? A~ Yes~ [I1 Q! AU the ~Lme your wore them~ Lhc hazd hat? ~c y0u doz,,'t w~J~i noth/ng to fall en youz ~caO, [~1 pe~ople dropping l].~rn~cr $ or wh~Ecver ~hcy could have, I~ you kno~ Q: So you ~d thai [~u:d ha~ a~ h'lc ~a~e2 is1 A: Surc~ ~; Ho*¢ ~botR th~'f ever give yoL~ a o01sk to Wea~ IN far the dust? tc No, no. Q: How about ca~muh's to keep out 01c noise from [~q the ~acIOaznnae~! Q: ~lcn you use I~c j~cl~r -- this X~4S ~x~ p~] gi~ co£Opr~ssOr? A: l~dghL ~: SgLmc Oung ~ What's oft the ~pro~nci? MR, MCCL~UN; NO, L1~¢ ¢omprcssc¢ ~q~ ~n the* g~oun~L [211 Q: ~y Mr She filer) BUl the ia¢le~'.am~xicr iLseff ~0~e a lot of r,oisc? A: Sure, Q: Old that 5other ~'ou? A: No [11 Q: How !ot'~g did you work on the brldgc~ ~ing [~ thc~ "~5, do you ~¢ca~l? A: ~ee'd U~de o ~ Magic a moml~ ~'~oe ~x~¢e ~ wee~. I don't Imow.Just depends on the Job. Q: Did yo~ tell me i'~';~ tong ~u thi~ you ~or kcd ~I No, not long. Just IL~¢ I ~d- I~1 l~c how long ~u ~ t~t ~igl~t have be~r~ [1~1 ~No.no. Idon't~'~howIo~g.I[~otl'l~kc (1~] long to do the .~.'o rl~ p~ ~o'~ Ever~ody works [1,1 Q: HO'~ l~ng ~:lld you '~w~rk at co~'uc~on before tl~l co~t~ction. ~ I $~0/. I dont k:no v¢ I just kept ~1 b~'~ I worke~ you k~m~ I ~r~'t know how lor~g I ~1 they .~nt it done tr~ a cer~ length of thee ~. Ihls ~ is '~al wc ~¢ you kn~w, and so ~'e can get ~ugt~ ~q ~y, I~ ~r ds, ~00 ~.a~, 4C~1 ~.~[~c boss says. I~ ~k~ We I~v© we do this ~d ti~ ~md tl~ tod~ If g~ '~-c felt ~ it. wc did it ~d wc would get o~I of r~I ~.o¢~ Q: ~"h~ when )oil goK off worl¢ ~d 0'~E job ~ Page 24fi i~I do~. you r~ght oot ~e ~o£ku~g for a g,~ z~ d Lb¢ next job r~m¢ .do,g? ~1 A: Right, right. O: 'gr/latewer you ~¢~d get? Q: An~ ~gng t2mt tha~ yo~ wet ¢~'t worMog, [s~ wlm( 0i~i ~0u do for money! is1 ~: 5hlned shc¢$, cut yards, whatever, l ll] St: Whatev¢¢ I could gel i~l Q: IS it f~r to s~ty d~ring this pe~riod of tlme [111 0rod cu~dng gra~s, Ls i[ fair to say, ,Mr ~ur tor~ th.a~ t ~ Llxi*t wa k~d of wo k tam Tou v¢ould go to whcrt 3~0u is~ A; No, I workecl there u~til they vo~ through r*¢ g4~ tl~ iob ~qd w~o~r a~d h~cn y~x ~'o somewhere ~71 els~ $omc~o~s I woul~ just d~m off ~c2xmcry to is1 ke~p us bu~y until something else come a~ong or v2fl~ ic~ct~ ~1 ~: W'ac~t you wer~I to the railroad, you sald ~us ~] w~ ~:fotxt you starlol these construction iobsr ~ 24? pa~ 2411 jill Q: 5o ~t )q0c I roisun~r slood. I though[ you wenl to Lhe r~'~ad afler your ~,o~sL.~ ction Work? ~1 K: NO.iXO. I went to the ratL~ad first. [[~l Q: You "~er~t to the ~l~o~d ftr st! [.i~ A: FtrsL Is] Q: Ito~." old w~xc you whim you wcl'.~ to ~e I P~ r~l~oadt O: TI~ is figh~ ~cr you left ~'~2 (l:f~t~tl'swBl~ud[df~r~v¢orsevea [14] Q: 5o t~ t~c~k you ~x~I ~tl were 20. 22. till somcthlng like ti~ ~1~1 ~: ~d ~en ~lld you gel ~;icd the f~r st ti~e? ~q doIl*l l-C~l~bc~ ~o~¢'s beml a I~ng ~¢ ago too. ~ ~: Well. let me ask yo~ tl~:'lTcr c ~U working r~ f~r ~c r~ad when you go~ ~rried~ B~I A: Y~. ~ Q: ~ ~u worl~d for the t-~l~ad when you li~¢d pa¢¢250' P e246-P e25] Su l ,m s
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David Burlo n David Burton and Ora Burton v. VoL 2, November 8, 1994 ILJ. Renolds Tobacco Compat~y~ rt aL. [q A: M~ Clothing Company, Q: Iqo, no, who was the person that you wot ved [al for! Who ~ the boss? I*l A: Mr, Marx* Q: Is Mr. Mao: sn]] alive, do you know? [sl A: No, he's not. [~ Q: xlTlxo else worked at Marx Clothing? [i] A: Maz~ Jr ~] Q: Is he stall a~iv¢? [10] A: I thlaxk so, I don't I~ow. pl] Qz What's h~ ~rst name, do you know? p~ k Mar~]r. p~] Q: ~d that's in Sprlnglicld, Missouri? [14] k Yes. i~ Q: What did you do there! [1,} A" ]ani[od~d worl~ 0~ Q: I m~an wh~ you say janit origh dld you work [14 the day shJa~ the night shift/ A: DayS.The 5tor¢ w.~ open Ck~dmg the day. Q; So you worked during the day when the r~l] o~stom~s we~c thcrc! A: ~Ight~ ~] Q: What wpes of things did yo~ do? Just d¢'~ ~41 up? [2s] A: VacuLmL dL~t, washed the v/rod ows outside, ll] Q: Knyfkmg else? ~'~ A: Just genexaI janit or tal work. Q: Did you do .0qy kind of mechanical M repair s- A: NO. Q: -- if a door knob needed fixed? Fq A: NO. Q: You ¢~dn t work orL the drywall or ~.n)~ing ~ like that? p0I A; ~o, plIQ: Did you ever do any o~ that kind of work p~ whe2e you did spaclding or taping ~r drywall worV2 A: NO, Q: Never wof~ed on inslllatio~ ha a house! A: NO. Q: Irt your o~ boo*r? A: NO. Q: Did you ever do m~y carlpcntry or w~rk Lfl~ ~¢i that? A: The porch -- put a portia on my house thai ~1] burned down. Q¢ you built a porch on your house that burned [~s3 Q: XW~at did you do i~ terms of ~uildi~g the is] porch~ Did you ti~Jt o~ [o th¢ hou~ it s~lf~ A: Just n.d/¢M bo aixla dov:n to the porch. l~ O t YOU just fixed an existir~ porch? t*l ~ Right. [~] Q: But wh~ ~ou ~rk~d at M~r~ a~d yOLt lived ut Sprin~d` that was far a prrloO of how many years? Fq at: About five years. [ sta~'d ~v¢ years. [~ Q: Five year~. Oka~ Try~ to get a p~cture ~1 of this. )'ou were married to Om Lee? [~l A: Ther~ P q Q: Tttc ~$t time? It~ ~ Pdght. uh.huh, p*] Q: Whcta you were stair a tecr~aget; isn't that U~4 right/ its] ~ Uh*b~ UR Q: NOV~, ~v~ it aeler your ~gc t o Ora Lee [17~ ~d al~r your ti~¢ that yo~ ,;worked at M~ Lh~[ you [gq v'cnt to WOrk for the railroad? [tg] A: NO, | worked for the radrnad first [Z~ Ot You've go[ to. help me or1 t hea~, .V~. B L~r t on. ~11 I'm really t~'in g ro figure this out [=~ MR. M~CLAIN: He s~Jd it srve~ ti~cs. t'~ MR, ,~ E FFL£R: I I~ow h¢ ~d [2.1 MR. MCCLAINr Hc worked for the ~aflrc~d and then he worked tort s tana¢ tioii ~ltd then he wo rind in Peg~252 P~e2~ (11 Springfield` Mis so~ri. It coLddo'c b¢ ~ozc c]¢ax than ~4 that ~] Q; (By Mr. Shcffle~) SO you quit school at 15 to p:] work for five to *~vcn years for the ra~road` ~d Lhen [gJ you worked for co~ s~c~Iola for Whatever time, a~d then [~) yo~ got ~xr ricd to Om Lee ~u3d worked at Spdmg~ctd? O1 A: Lrh huh. ~al Q: NO'~ if you got married to Ora Lee m 19~9 -- 191 A: [ guess I don't remem~e~ the date [t~l MP~ McCLAIN: YcstrrdaT ~he said it v~s "56. ~,11 A: I don't remrm~:r the exact date, but tike I It~ s~d` we separated, and I went my wa}~ she went her 3~] way. you know You got the dates there. YOU aR did 114] }~0L~ job so let's get the ~m~ wc=s right because, like ] 1~ said. I don't have no rea~n to He. I'm tr~_ng to I~l remember the best I ¢~a. 1~ Qt ~B}' Me. Sheffler) Let me just suggest to you isI that you go[ married to Gra Lee when you were shll a 3QI teenager ~0] A: Yes. sir ~q Q: NOW. dl 7ou quit school at 15, you could not z~ have worked for sevr~ yt~as at a rai~oad and d~en z'~ werkrd constr~ctlon ~md then m~rry Ora Lee and still Z~] m~rlW her when ,t'ou weee a teermger. MR. M~CLAIN: He never said that Pa~e 2S5 P~ge 255 Pa~ 2S7 i Pagc252-Pag¢257 Min-U-Srrtpl~ JayE. Suddreth & ,Lsso. 913-492-0111 2S2021.534
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David Burton and Ora B'artoa v, David Burton R.J. Renolds Tobacco Company, et aL VOL 2, November 8, 1994 IH you were working ~'or the ra~road or when you're down8 f~ o~xs truetion, who did you h2~g ~r olmd with? Who were 0] your firteradsl p] ~ Oh, the boy dmt's dead now, told the Carter bo b~us¢ he ~nd txtc pLtUed railroad tles together. 1611~ B~Wa~ncCa~tcr.Tnat,s wfiat theboy,srt~m¢i$ We 171 pulled railroad ties togethe~ and we hung ~round. ~1 Donald Car r¢~ he went to the Navy, and we played arotmd together, played bali. David Lee Carlc~ my [*0] b~otbei". ~t OJ r ally. Flto ft Holt, he tt~as a veo~ good [111 f~nd of mine, we s ocbliz c'd. [I~ ~.Q: /,Jb~rt Holtl [lal ~A: Elton, EhOrL l*4l ~0: EJtorklsthat thcgu¥)'ouwentto Q: Ntcm i$ hL1 b[othcr? A: No, no, just a ffier~ or -- another friend of [101 mine. O: How do you spelI his L~st name? A1 He~el ~iton Hoover. A: I ~dd I socia~ed wtffl h£m. I lzkcd hlm as Ot Elton Hoo,'er Yeas somebody you knew a~d p] associated with? ~ Anct through schoOl.That's what you asked i~ me~ w~n't it? O: Right, t~t~ ~ac~ what I'm trpng to ~md out, t~ A: Albe~t Hoh, he's my ~ri~n& H© used to be t~l lxty ne~ghbc~ We u s~d to li~,'~ a~os$ th~ ~ t~x~t ~rom [101 eac& oth~. [11] Q; Where doca FJton 1iv© today? I1~ A; Elto~ I1~ Q: ~ton Hoove~. I1~ ~ Elton He.ova, hc lives in Emporia* [Is~ O: And th~ Car t~s? i~sl A: Je, e Donald, h¢'s bacJc -- he's out of th~ [,7] $~t'vtc~ Hc'$ in Empot:ta some,w~t er~ I don't ka~ow [ISl ~ where hc lives. I h~trd that he's going I*~ bL~d.'I'ncrc's Da~d Lec Cart~ hc'~ another -- they're all brothers, NoW, he's home, I don't know [2*] what '$ "~rong with him. I tl~ h~ mind is gone I ~21 doz~.'t ~ow for s~rc because: [ do~*t go back hom~ 1"v¢ [2~ got ;m aLLOt that ~i~'¢$ ~c. ~] Q: What's yot~r ~tmt's r~mc? ~ Atmt He~e~x Pa~# 25~ {i] ~: Atmt Helen/ A: Atmt Hele~ O: Wea~ ~ou cao~ m Aunt Helen~ O: You say fltat ~th a m~Ic~ A; I low h~.T;mt's the ~t finally I have of ~l O; A~ad AUnt Helen Imov~ you l)retty wetl then? ~ No, I~'c~usc she lives i~ New Orig. O: ~ut when ~ou were growing up ~ou I~¢~" herl ~ Sure. O: NOV~, ~u told us that -- ~d you s~y ~ou [sa~ pL~d ~ ~th your ~r Jends~ [1~ A: Uh-huh, yes. [1~ O; Wimt other things did )'ou do in this ttmc for i1~ leisme activity? I*;q MR. M©CL~IN: In Emporia? it~ O: (Byd~r. SiaeffleO Du~mg this ttmc when you {l~ we2e working with the radm~ei, whe~ you were wo~kln~t t~ cor~tr~etio~ [211 A: OIL I dldnlt play te.o much. l wo~d be Va~ tired. [ w~u[d go home, $t,'~igh t out ~o home. Q: x~t CUd you do for cnjo)'mcflt at hom~ ~} ~ Shoot pool Iake weekends I would shoot ~ pool pa~e ~0 [I] O: YOU woulda t shoot pool at home, you woutd go t o the pool haL!~ A: ~ghr, go to Lh¢ pool hadL Q: What p~l hall vms that1 [~ A: [ do~t't remcmbec. I don't think there's none ]eft there an~or¢. ! don't Maow b~causc the to~n is -- it's a church towel you ~now. They didn't ~t yoo [,q to even have beer bars. Ii's a small tow.~ but it has M grown ~o -- but I'tl go back home and it doesn't eve~ ~q look the ~am~ to inc. It's de ~nit ely changed. Ltll O: I know the feeling. But when you were I~ g~owitxg up a~d used to go to thc pool hall to sheot ~ pooL did they aL~o serv~ ~quor? A: [ don*t ~o back t~e~. O: Did you play pool with. your frie~a ds theft A: Ye~, uh-huh. O: Did you gamb~ on the gain©st A: No. Ot Newt c~d? A: [ ~on't gam2ole. ~Zll O: You've n~er gambled? A: No. Q: Wh~t ¢b¢ ~d you do besides shoot pool? A: ~t~s about it. ~q O: Go to movaea? [II At Y~ax~ ago when 1 w~ ]dd. ~ of ~ck~L ~1 At I d~n't I~r~o'~ I stopped golng. I dJ~'t go ~t to movle~. 1~1 p Ia)'a~g a li~e ball~ 1~1 Q: ~y~g else ~n c~r~ ~member you did ~r I~I Q: TI~ '~,ls iL O1~ you worked at a p~c~ la} called City $:~A~ ~on, DO you [cl~mber that? :uI A: Citg ye~ i~] Q: ~t did you do th~n.~ A: Yes. Q: ,~ld ~u hung on the ba~ A: ~ghc ~: /rod you would empty the b*wr eLs into th© A: Ilight. ye~. {s] A: Empori~ K~ns~. Q: And you wo£kcd for the [o~ A: For ~e City of Emporla~ Kar~sa$. O: T~ city ga~,¢ y0u yotw check? t~ A: Y~. I~ t~: How long did you do that? ~ Oh, ma,fi~ two y~ars` O~ W~ thi* aR=r the ~ad job~ O: And this was after th= constzucdon jobsl 111 A: y~s. Q: Was thi~ after dm time ~ou spent In ~ Spring~eld, Missout 0 ~1 A: No, l wea~t to Spr tngSeld ~md come b~ -- i~ ~eah, u~hula. ~s~ a: DO ~.u know, Mr. Bur ton -- I'm try~g to just ~ get you~ best r e~oik-etion here, and if you don't know, I~ YOU just t¢l~ me. WiLh your best re collection, can you I~ tell me wlmth~r you Worked constructio~ be~or c Spri~W.Sdd or a~e Sprin~ficId! A: Worked constr~ct~on aRer Springfield. O: &nd C~t~ $~muo~t ~ after the c~nstt~ c tion? A: ~¢r Sprm~c~d. Q: That vo~ ~er the colL~c tion or b~forc, do P~ ~ page 262 Ja~E. Sud~rcth & A~so. 913-492-0111 Min.U.$~fpl~ Page 258 - Page 263 2SZOZI.S,35
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David Burton David Burton and Ora Burton v. VoL 2, November 8, 1994 R.j. Renolds Tobacco Company, et aL. Iq you reck? [2~ A: I come back ~om Springfleld~ I Worked [~] construction, [4] Q: And then you worked foe City SatUmtton? A: I think so I'm tr~ to remember, [bl Q: I I¢~.ow you a/e, artd it'5 hxrd t0 remember v#ay back¸ Inl MA, M©CLAIN: You've got to be careful t~ because hc's r el'ring oft what you tell Mm. If you [10l really don't r~meJmber, }rot] need to te[[ ~ because 11 i] it's confu ling If ~u don't remember -- you~c a~eed I1~ to about t~l/ee Ck~eren t s c Chariot, whid~ teIIs ~c [1~ you're confused, ll~q h: 1 rc~ d~n't r emet~bet.Ti'mt' s rc*6i~ the [IA whole thing¸ [1~ Q: (By M~'. Sheffle0 Tt~t's fit~e. [1~ A: ] dld ~t lot of ecmst~JcEzofr;vork afftd w~nt [11] back artd for t]x I remlly doa't rem~mbe¢ -- [*~ Q: Okay. That '$ fi~e. A: ~ the dlfi'ta'ctlt Lilacs, you k~ ow. ~*j Q: Whc~x you worked at City Sanir~t/on and you wea-c crop t)~w4~ U'~S~ dad yott ever drive the truc~ ~aI Q: $o ],ou hada Iicense back theft) ~] Q: Wht~z cried you get your d~ivar'* license, do M you reca~" O] A: NO, I don't remember, h's been a long time [*~ t2: you cer t;dniy had R when you weJ~ dr~ving a [~] truck foc City Sani~ationP [q Q: YotJ Worked there for a ~Ou~lc i,~rs, you [4 s~Jd? [101 Q: I [o'w did you get that job! [11] A: Just went theze ~J~] a*ked ~or a ~ob. [~2] Q: You didn't k~ow ~,~ody that helped you out Wq to get th~ job? A: NO~ heaped m~ out,1 ~ked for m~. [1~ G: ~d who "m~ ¥o~r boss there? A: [ think ho'~ dead too. S~m m not $~mm I [171 dozt't ~em~¢~ ~ecau~ that's bee2t a Jong time. I [1~ don't re4~e~mber my bosJ"; rmmc. l thiaJ~ he's dead, I [1~ think. t~ Q~ Do you re2member any o~ your file nds that ~1] Worked there? ~,] A: My broLhcr w~rl~(J Ux~re, Mahaleys, Bit[ ~'~] Turner. M~st of them a~e de~d. X~tmt's about all I c~n 1~4 r emembe~r, a l¢:t of people. i~l It: ~y~ t~b:huh. G: Hc]W do you spell t;xat? /~ A: I don't kno~,~ l don't knc~w how you spe31 his l~ Q: W'oat t =~s his ~'$t ~¢? [4 A~ Bob. [~ Q: DO you Imow ~ hc's soil in Emporiat I~ A: He may be tllc~e. I don't[ know. Or he may ~e de~d. Quite a fc~* of my ~ricnd~ have died ll~ G: IIOW about Mr. TU~r? 1,1) A: yezh. he's dead+ llq Q: DO ~ou know ~.~yhody eLce who is -- [1~ A: TeX Woods. he w~ ~oLher tr~¢k driver I t~4) remember tuax He'* dead. [1~ Q: &n}'~ht ease? pq A:No, notrigbtoffmyh~d.[ca~seetheir [I;'] faces, but [ can't zec~![ tilcir names+ [~i] Q: We]/, if you da to:all t~eir names ~¢ any [1~ time dxtring this dcposiUon, would you teJl me? Okayt ~0] A: $~¢, I'd b~#ad to. Sam~tion were ],our I eisurc ~fiviUcs roughly the r~I s~me, shoot a ]ittte pOOl? A: Yes. Q: pray a [irtte b~d]? Pa~ 2t*¢ pa~2#5 [q t~ yes t~ Q: Anything el*c? [J] A: ~nat's about iL [x] Q: YOU mJked to us yesterday about how you [~;] l~ked to go him ring ~md fi~hi~g ? ~lq A: Yes. t 1 t~l Q: D~d'toudomwofthata this time I~] A: W©ek~rtds if the weather was nice, you kno~'~ go hunting because you don't -- well, m~yi~ you don't I0] hunt* but you~e go to ~aat tlr~ttl it fi~c~zc$ aIld ther, I q you go hxtrtting f~r r~bbit ~, you know i~ Q! Yo~ u~cd Io do that with your/~icnds~ i~] A: Yes. I~] t;: DO ~/o~ r eca~ ~ho you dld Lhat v,a~ I~] A: O;~ o~ of the guys [ r~ca~l ~ D~vld Lee 101 C~trtcr, my brother-ha-law Q: Who ,~as thai? St: [c~n'trcmembetthcbo¥'sfirstname. lt *~ wiiJ come to me. Q: Okay Was thi~ Ora Lec's bzothcr? z~J A; Yes. z~ Q: Anybody cise you recall? z~] Qt You told u* about Albert HoIt ~m*r~rday.Vo~ z.~ Said he lived ~ross the s~-ce~ firom ~'ou~ pa~2B7 ~68 paGo~6g P~e264-P~e269 ~n-U-S~ JayE. Suddre~ & ~so. 913-492-o111 2 202 536
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David Burton a~d Ora Borton v. David Burton P..,J. Renolds Tobacco Company. et aL VoL 2. November 8. 1994 ItI ~awCSt ed? A: No. I don't r ¢me~a3ber the date. I don't fat remember the date. 14t Q: Now. you said that you did your tum¢ for #; that? [~1 A: Not right at tlmt tlm¢. He just ~rcd mc M be~usc [ ]tad a fight with the city poUcc. [B] Q: Was Lifts at S~ve's place? Ai .No. It could have beelL yeaJL becau-¢e I was [*el ~ to r~atch a Cab ride. I was ~atchmg a cab. It1] waatifig off the cab. and he *aid, "Da~, you're dlxuxg" [t~ ~d I said, * TJLig iJ why Im wa~ting On my cab,* ~nd [*~1 rtex~ thia8 we k~ow we was at a fight. [*~] ~ Q; Trt~ was -- Its] A: They were harassing me. I'm waiting on z [17J O: You were drinking pretty heavy? its] J~ ~teve2. I ]lad iust cno~Jgh to get me a 0t9 cab,That's why I yeas 5 tanding -- with my wife. Q: Which wife was that! [2q A: Jxm¢. ~2lQ: Nov~, v~s she .d~o ~rrested? ~l A: Ob~ no. [atI Q: I~ ~t just you that got ar tested? [~q A: [ put her m the cab I *aid, "Go on home." ill O:.Oid they arrest you on the spot. or did they [21 have to come to your house aJXd get you! A: No, right there, That's when I k:nOCkEd him [*1 out, and them I stood there and ,~uled fi~r the other. [l] Q: SO yotz waked ~'or the other policeman to [*1 come? A: R~ht Is] Q: AI~*= you knocked th© fir*t one ou~ ~l A: Ye~, aaxi they put me all in iatl. [10] O: And theaX you ~ventua~y c~mc up for tOtaL pq Did you plead gu~l:yl [*~1 A: Sure- [1~1 Q: What happened! What w~ yoar sente~e! ~l A: 2~ days, 30 days. I doCdt kna~ [*s] Q: Ia the county -- p~] A! Uh&uJx [17] Q: -- county jail? Did flxey ~J[ow smoking in [I~] the j~d~2 [~ ~ O: Did you smoke in the jaiL~ ~ Sure. Q: Smoke Camels? A: Sur*. Q: Buy them m the ~ail? A: My b~othcr m I think ~ey Ixad machines right p] there in the jaiL I think they had mac-t~ e s right t~ there.yeah. I'm pretty sure they did. tal Q: Anyway. you lost yoLtg Job at City Sanltadon. ~md then what did you do? iq A: Let's ~. I thilLk I were to CaLifot rfia the~. ie] O; "lTna~s when you pitied up m~d leaX? I~ &:yes. Itl Q: ~0 ~t sold you worked wiGa Alb~t Holt 1 ~q A: I didn't work with him. H© w~s just my [I01 f~iend. [1t] Q: M~yt~ [ mlsunderstood ~e~ you went to [l~ Catifor~xia. what did you do~ [**1 A: I worged foe pem~etort Die & Toot Compan]~ ~1 Q: You didn't work doing some mechanic work? [1~ A: I ~ doing ~ busy learning body work. I [I4 didn'~ work per se.1 was lost learning uati[ I got me I1~ a job. [u~ Q: How ]ong was that [earrdng period? [~ A: Just-- tt ~a*o:t long. Maybe a month at the 120] most. [21] Q: And who el2e w~ w~rking w~th the5 ~ body-- A: He'* dead nOVL He owned the pIaee of ~4) busines~ or whatever, the body shop, the body shop and [2~ ~ e ~z2d'.ic work, mad I 0xiglk he$ dead rlov~ I cafi+t Pa~270 Page271 page 2?2 (I] Q: Well, how lon~g wa~ thaO R A: Couple years, 1 thlak. [3] Q: Okay. ~tI ;t: I don't r eal~y remember. (~l Q: yoar best recollection is all we're looking I~l f0~ SO it was a couple years, ma)~be xwo, royce? A: tymhtth Q: Something hke that? A: yes, uh-huh Q: Tfien you got h~gt? A: Yes. Q: And bdorc we get imto your i~xjttry, who did i~1 you ~ork with t~ere? 141 A: [ don't reoLI all the people's names. It ISl w~ the mai~temance department of pe~tdletort Too[ 8c Die i~ Company. It w~ 5 to 600 peop]¢ the~e. 17~ Q: Sure.You didn't kav~ anybody )rott worked m] with? I~] A: I'm u3Mg to remember this fellow's -- when I t~nk of the names, ~tl try to come back to the ~11 names, but ~ r said, that's been 15 years I've beeax • v.~y from them, you know And if I can think~ I will com~ back to let you kno~v some of the people's ~e~ ~141 that I worked with thereI but right now if you *t~at to f~ go ort to something else and I'll ]o:ep that ilt my mil~d [I] ~d [~t'$ go on to some Lhing ehe beuau se [ e2dl' t remember right now. Q: ['11 do that. A: Okay. l appreciate that. Q: Did you hve at the ~me place thJoushout the ttme L.x Califorr&a? A: NO. ~: X*Wh~ie did you ~ive lit C,a~foiTti~ A" $~mta Mol~Jca mad I cmYt U~dt of the adch~s~ [m] off of Washington Boulevard.Washifigton a~d -- I can*t It q r ece~ember that street either, Q: Is it 3 pri~te house, sir? A: yeah, apartmenL you kno~ I~ke [ h~d the Its) bachelor side. and then some other people had the other [ib~ side. Q: Two- famdy housc I~ke? St: Yes u~huh. Q: Who were the people hying th the other part [It] of the hou*c? f201 A: They were Spare sh-Amerlcan I don't rernewJoer ~'l thea name Wc di~,*'t soc~dlze. He'd speak~ [ would ~2] s pc-~k. H~S ~.~'c wou~d speak~ I would *p~.k like that, and go on Io work, I go o~1 to my b u~iae~ ~qd they do ~41 thc~ thing. I~sl Q: Did you slL~re the apartmcnt with somcbocty or Page 213 Pa~ 274 1~275 J~E. Sudd~e~ & ~so. 913-492-0111 Min-U-S~p~ P~e 270 - Page 275 zs 02 537

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