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[Record of Panel Meeting on Smoking and Health: Includes Industry and anti-Industry Positions]
Abstract
Record of panel discussion on smoking and health. Argues back-and-forth whether a link exists for smoking and disease. Questions impact of stress and disease. Examines viruses and cancer. Offers statistical examination of smokers, nonsmokers, and lung cancer. Argues that there is no causal link.
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- Region
- Japan
- Philadelphia
- United States
- Sweden
- France
- Named Person
- Aviado, Domingo M., M.D. (CTR Consultant; Special Projects Recipient)Dr. Aviado was a University of Pennsylvania professor and did work for tobacco companies. Dr. Aviado did secret dog inhalation studies in 1970s which were apparently covered up. Dogs were inhaling. No research papers were ever done, apparently (B.C. 7/7/94).
- Brownlee, A. (M.A.)
- Burch, P (Ph. D.)
- Cedarlof, R. (Ph. D.)
- Furst, A. (Ph. D.)
- Hammond, (Sc. D.)
- Langston, H. (M.D.)
- Levine, E. (M.D.)
- Meier, H. (D.V.M.)
- Ober, W. (M.D.)
- Ratcliffe, Hebert (CTR Special Projects Researcher)Industry-funded scientist, investigated lung cancer and cardiovascular disease in zoo animals, especially those maintained in an outdoor environment.
- Rosenman (Dr.)
- Seltzer, C. (Ph. D.)
- Selya, H. (M.D.)
- Selye (Dr.)
- Author
- Aviado, Domingo M., M.D. (CTR Consultant; Special Projects Recipient)Dr. Aviado was a University of Pennsylvania professor and did work for tobacco companies. Dr. Aviado did secret dog inhalation studies in 1970s which were apparently covered up. Dogs were inhaling. No research papers were ever done, apparently (B.C. 7/7/94).
- Brownlee, K. A.
- Burch, P.
- Cederlof, R.
- Furst, A. (Jr.)
- Hammond, E. C. (Jr.)
- Langston, H. T. (Jr.)
- Levine, E. R. (Jr.)
- Meier, H. (Jr.)
- Ober, W. B. (Jr.)
- Ratcliffe, Hebert (CTR Special Projects Researcher)Industry-funded scientist, investigated lung cancer and cardiovascular disease in zoo animals, especially those maintained in an outdoor environment.
- Rosenman, R. (Jr.)
- Seltzer, C.
- Named Organization
- American Cancer Society
- Council for Tobacco Research
- Harold Brunn Institute of CV Research
- Harvard University of Public Health
- Institute of Chemical Biology
- Institute of Experimental Medicine
- National Heart and Lung Institute
- National Institute of Public Health
- New York Medical College
- University of Chicago
- University of Illinois College of Medicine
- University of Pennsylvania
- Subject
- Health Effects
- lung cancer
- Nonsmokers
- Statistical Data
- tobacco use
- cancer
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At the end of 44 months, there were 600 ~d some deaths
in the nonsmokers ~d 1300 ~d some deaths in the smokers.
~out 15 or 20 times as m~y smokers as nonsmokers had
died of l~g c~cer.
. [m~[ highly respected m~ers.of the scientific co~un~
~rom the Ve~ ok-v~gorous exception to the
statistic~ methods ~d how the n~ers were use~.
For.
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Z~!~ ~ ~tazt~n--:~--- fc~ the ~dustrial northeast
~d midwest ~d virtually none from the ~tain states.
~R. 0BERt L~g c~cer is predo~n~tly.a disease of
people who live in large cities or in industrial ar~as,
whereas people who live in ~ral co,unities have a much
lower incidence of lung c~cer.
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.PR.OF. BROWNLEE: The Hammond Survey for the American
Can.cer Society suffers from the defect there was no/ a
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properly defined population. So we just don't
kn~w what
the population was.
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DR. EYSENCK: The ordinary statistical met s that have
been use~. are really quite worthless. The/y don' t prove
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anything a~ all, except that there may/.
may not be a
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relationshipJ _ ,
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., DR. ,OBER: The actual number of cases of lung cancer--
. although recognizable and significant--is
not
terribly,.
~/~ / t.erribly.large, ,whereas the ~umber. of. people who smoke
/ ~lgarettes is extremely larg~_. And any theory which
'(~~~"~'. ' explains why A causes B also has to "explain why A does ~ ~¢~
not'cause B in the people in whom it does not occur.
• And this is the one thing which these people have not ~
~ explained. It's an incomplete theory.
.N RRATC,~. ~ ~7~ ,,=~ -expia~neu.,wny une ~'~rted death.
rate from all~ypes of respiratory, diseases has steadily.
declined sin/e 1900, while cigarette consumption has
d/n " ""
increase almost directly opposite~ proportions.
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ny.~. low.nce is made by proponents of the smoking-lung
~for other possible causes of cancer'of~t~h~
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State of Minnesota, et al. v. Philip Morris, et aL
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,DR. LEVINE: There are substances in the air in every
city in the United States--and I suspect in every city
in the world-=which are.known to produce cancer.
~ Herbert ~ Rateliff~has noted a si~ifie~t inergase
in the fre~en~ of l~g c~cer ~ water fowl--especially
in two species of ducks at the Philadelphia zoo--located
in a t~ic~l city air pollution ~ea.
s s~le ~at they were ingesting materxal
~at has be~ deposited in this mud ~d that ~cretion by
way of ~e lungs is a possible ~it of the carcinog~s
~at are t~en in through the mouth.
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The other possibility is that they are inhaling it. If
SO~ they seem to be peculiarly susceptible to inhalation
Of carcinogens.
Siberi~ tiger died in the Philadelphia zoo. Cause of
death as dete~ned by autopsy: c~cer of ~e lung.
Others point out additional factors statistically
associated with the disease. ~ere's the matter of a.
marked differ~ce of the rate by sex.
~G~TON: ~is disease is a male disease. It is
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six or eight to one in favor of m~es. Wom~ do get the
disease, it is t~e. But £hey do not get it wi~ the
s~e fre~ency as the m~e. ~~ ....
=~ain~-rather constant. It has .not increase, ~d
~~n~.~s-.t~ng ~out the m~ked ri~e in th~ incid~ce-
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that one has ass~ed--~ote--~epid~ic ....
NAR~TOR:. ~other ch~lenge has be~ base,on how you
measure what really caused a person's dea~. Dia~ostic
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cap~ility wi~ respect to c~cer of th/l~g is a re-
latively recent develo~m~t.
" y . " g~ools .now for diagn "
as to what ~e prev~ce~f l~g c~cer was at ~at.
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p~cul~ t~e.
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~TOR" Most mot ity stat~ti~ in ~e cig~ette'
. . ~ity ~tat~ti~ in ~e cig~
DR. OBER: / dea~ ce~ficates ~otoriously
~less akrerson ~as ~een
ac~rate./~ ~e first place, ~ffi~l~e~ sure
antopsi~, somet~es it' s v~
whiP, died of. ~ " ~ ~"
~TOR: ~at ~st~es ~ght occ~ ~ d~a~o~s "of
/g c~cer based only £n death c~ifica~es?. ~
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, ~d m~y c~cers arising in other parts of ~ body ~el
I filtered ou~ ~d ~ deposits--~hieh are ~alled ,
metastatic c~cer--in the lung.
~at are diagnosed as ~ c~c~r without ~utopsy may
not be lung c~cer ~all, but c~cers in o~er org~s..
.~R. OBER: ~n I read ~ article in the medical litera~re
whlch i~..~ased upon death certifZcates I stop readifig it'~
~ bec ere's no point in my wasting my t~e. ~"~ve
,.,I/er thlngStion, to read which, are based on. . a fi=er founa~-;
~R~TOR: 'Though th: mo~t :t::klng associatlu**
One =zaz_~:z=:.:i.. -- corona~ illness.
~ we fo~d that there were2more th~ twice as m~y s~kers
~at died of heart disease as nonsmokers.
" N~TOR:/ M~y ~dversaries of smoking support~
'~ view. Oehers ~e not satisfied with ~his s~ple
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~: Few people ~e~i~e that actually the.j..~
,~tatistic~l risk so-called which has been given~it by
"~~lic He~th Se~ice of heart disease o~'~i~okers t~
States, J~p~ ~d Switzerl~d--~h ~rom arteriosclerosi~
~t~ 1955~~- ~hile it was rising by more~ 30 percen~
~ such/. "~ow-cig~ette-cons~ption. . . . coun tries~weden,. "~ "
~ ~s we've seen w~ ~espec~ ~o lun~ ~ce~,~e
of statistics ~ l~ted.
~e . S~geon General's repo .... had a& much
specific~ly stated that statistical methods c~ not
est~lish proof of a causal relationship in ~ associa-
tion.
Yet ~ere were some whosy n~tural desire to fi~
~. ~% .... ~t~j' z-1~z.- 1 Aii~h~zrt fizt--- ~ay have
led ~ to disreg~d ~is caution.
" el aft ....
_~9"~ ~~d .ee~.. hea=%- dlseas~.
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/~ ............................ Natlonal Heart
and Lung Institute points out that we've learned so much ~bout
how to treat heart ailments that we overlook how little we "know
about their causes. "We tend to obscure our ignorance, " t~e
Institute says, "by making it seem that a problem has been so'ived
when it has, in fact, Only been half-solved."
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State of Minnesota, et al. v. Philip
Court File No.: C1-94-8565
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~igarette. smoki~and corona~isease,- I. think we~ . .
-1969 -- The~eric~'Hea~ ~s
earch director
. ',told Congress~/ "Let's be sure we ~derst~.the. Heart
~Associati'o/~osition: We do not .say that we ~ave
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. ,data says. cigarett~ smoking causes coron~
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~ ... ~.~uk'-::~? What avenues 'of meaningful research should be
explored if the answers aren't all in? ,.
Many authorities feel that more attention should be
given to the smoker rather .than the smoke.
What kind of people smoke and why? Do they
differ from
those who don't smoke?
DR. SELTZER: Smokers tend to be more agressive, outgo£ng,
- extroverted people--hard driving, full. of tension. They
tend to marry more often, divorce more often, move their
houses more often, change their occupations more often
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DR. SELYE: The human being smokes only because he likes
to smoke. Nobody smokes because he .h,as, to smoke. "J~L~d
,~-~-~ emmet.-.-~ ~o~ ~o smoke. Su £~ l-~i~,, i-~-i~ ~ d~~
~:to~l oth~~~~~ .... ~---,~ ..... , .... ~' .~,'
DR. CEDE~OF: Say that you are a certain t~e of person
~d you like to..s~ke. You may also then be:.more
apt to start driving or more apt to h~ve a stressing
job or something like that. .
NAR T~R: ~or the past several years, Dr. R~e Cederlof
of Sweden's National Institute of P~lic Heal~ has
studied the effect of smoking ~d
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~. C~E~OF:~ Ye~ ~w. we did ask for a lot of other
~~a~-~.~.~~ ex~ ~a for.. d~e,~.
smok~r,,.i~,monozyg~ca=that is id~tical-~twi~s ~i1~-"~
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~would. ~"up what we have found here in such a ~ay ~at
._S_~k~ng.does not se~ to cause he~t disease, that is the'
~d_.~-heart disease we are studying--u6rona~ heart - ~.'
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