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you ~ boy ~ ~otzospeetl~e studLes A ~Jo. I don0t Jtm~ boy ma~y thee hate boon. I donOt ~l~l~lt tt0s too tmpol~c~nt ho~ ma~v thas'o have boon. A The question bsvo boon ]wopewly £ntea~F~tad o~ w~ot~ the~, have boon ovo~£ntmted. (~ekett, p. ~ Do you kna~ how many px~speotlve st~tts- A I donor knov ho~ m~n~, but I know th~o halo boon tlwoo ox. (1LDokett: p. 1~) A +1oi I eanOt. (Llttlo, p. Ii

• tn~e~ e~e~ b~en b~ousht to ~ou~ attmst~on~ [Iotos Hu~ yes ~uJ~L~ vlth the I/anmund-l/o~n study and stated time he vent ~h~ouSh 1~ ~.er7 ea~oLhzLl~ at one vho had 4ohm 8tat2st~eal vos~ /n Hoen 1~po1~ p_ubliahsd ~ one fo1~ or anothee. (p..~) ] ~ Zn~tdonta~¥, a~o you asm~o o£ 1~. DO~l~n0s latos~ 8tatLstLoa~ et~¥ vith ~ospoet to motc~nj llo/mann, rhea asked ~ he ~as mm~o a oompL~at~on b~ ~e~ sons ~d of 8u~ ope~at~n Vh4Oh Yes v~y d~fe~ent

(a) you tanili~ with the studies done who ha~Q• A~e the~e any othe~ people you ean think done epldemlolo~t~al work? has e~aluated ~he Ineldence, and atteapted to a~:Ive at a ~easonable ease of the g~eate~ ineidenee in one locality t~an another, for ~ ¥tth ~espeet to the ~e-ealle4 s~attstical relationship, wo:Id it be fal~ to say that tJae people that we have :ontlono4~ that iS the Doll ~ Hill ~udios, the ~k:aend s~udles, D~. _~_~n': s~udies, ~ated that the~e va: a ~elatlonshlp -

MR. ~s I ob~oet ~o that qmst~on, boeause It a~ ett~ts to oltelt the t~h the test~ of. t~s witness. t~at as a standing~.bJoetton to each one. All ~tght. A. ~ ~ as I k.now all studios of that so~t whteh have taken a saaplo of the ~p~t~on ~o ~ I ~ean those people vo were speaJ~i~ abou~ said t~ has a causal rolattonahlp, dld they ~t~ ~ t~ ~n~lusion he said t~ It ~u~ ~O ~ld ass~p~tons~ bu~ vlth the~ ~ ass~~ns he ~e ~o the ~ncinslon t~t th~e wee a ~~tty of ~ause and effect. ~ And did ~nd ~,-o to a s~~ ~n- eluslon~ A ~a~mond ~o ~ a s~lla~ eonelnslon. But I ~vo ~tst~ to ~~, I ~Vo ~d ~~, ~t with ~e ~thesls." I ~h~ he t~t "It offoe~ Felat~n." ~ ~ ~8 boon v~y ~~us In ~;he ltn~ut~o he has uotd. ~ has neve~s 8o fa~ as I know, sald that these optdemtoloKleLl studios pl~vo that With l-espo~ to ~. Do~n5 Is his opln- M~ D~rdh Samm ob~ootton. A It is a little difftenlt fo~ ae to say what D~. Do~nOs eonelasions, a~es beeaase D~. visited us~and in £aet it was boeanse of the of the National Canee~ Institute to ~ake t~As And the last t~e I sav hi~ he did not thLnk the~e was an~ causal ~elation. I don~t k~w vhothe~

~ta~t~tiea~ S~dies (Contia~ed) (Continued) A As ~a~ as I ,i~ov they have, vAth the one exeeption of the suzvey whlch we n~de, whleh was not a sample suzwey but ~cluded the entire population. Q Yours was done on Amerioan Tobacco Com- pany el~ployeus over a p~lod of a~ fo~ y~s, a~ I th~ it was done by ~u ~d ~. t~g, is ~ "I do not recall how they worded that. They discussed the :attez o~ oausal relationship. Whethe~ they stated it as a definite eoneluslon, or vhethe~ they stated it as a tents- t lye conclusion, or whether they stated it as soaethtn~ that their york wou~d lndl~ate ~ght be a con- (po

~t~tixtleal ~tt,d~e~ (Continued) Ha~lan stated that the stray ~ed an assoalation and we| asked "They d~d not say i~: was an aetual relattonship~ to the best of ~ou~ knoeledse?." to . whieh he replied "~, SLOe" ~po 127)o ~akett 8rated that "The:e a~e se~ea-al sta~Istleal s~.dles tha~ report an asso¢iatlon between mokJ~g and the ineldenee of l~ng cance~, but, of course, these stetisties a~e disputed feel that this. ~ay be a ~atheemtieal fietion. ~hoy donOt believe that it rill ovontua£1¥ stand up," (p. 133)0 Little aoknowledged that the sa~oeity of the studies showed an assoelation edd/~g "~hethe~ they al_l do or ~ot l don,t ~ow.. (p. 203)] [ Note, In thei~ study ]~as~ond a~nd thee is ~ do~t ~ o~ m~s as tO the ~tdt~y o~ the assertion £o~ b~e~ etg~ette ~k~ ~ ~~ Causation vas not even discussed in thei~ second or final, report, although it had been ~entioned ~n theL~ p~el~y repo~ where they said "FoF rea~ns dAs- eus~ed, we aze of the opinion that the associations fOl ~ betveen regula~ ~lgmtte o£ the cozonazy a~ta~lea and betvoen :e~ula~ eiga~ette mkAn~ and death ~tee f~ l~ng eanee~ reflect ~ause and effeet ,Some months a.~e~ thOi~ final "* * *. The fact t~at • disease is associated with so~e faeto~ in the environment does not ~eos~ily ~ the faet~ ~ues ~e dtmse • • ..- U~mmond. "Smoking and Death 3ares - ~ Riddle in Cause a~d Effeet," ~:e~lean Selentist ~(~), 331-3~, Dee. 195~, at ~p. 3~:~-3~3). 3.6

ltahed, a d~wing of conclusions of thls kind f~om my etudy yes not done. ~ ~ou ~aeau ~ou d£~net do At £a you~ stud~ , £ No, my ~tnd¥ is not fini~ed, When the ~tud¥ is finished, X e~pee, t to ~ato v~a& ~.y~. eonelusioas are e~nee~nAng ~e ~eeults of aF st~¥ ~d¥ is not e~lerce4. tabha M~ s't|a~N¥ is mt ~ot, ed s~nnl,. ~ ~ do Feel X am in a poaitlon at thAe time to (~. the • ~de~ad it, and of eo~e l £nt .end n~ reflection at all on yo~, lnte~it¥ o~ oth~ b~~t~s ~ m~i~ doer.s ~ ~£os~8 o£ p~blAe heath in eonee~ express ~h£s opinion etth

A I a~ n~t ~a~e~ to ~ake that s~ate-. ment at the ~A~sent t~8. with It, ~ ~ ~ ~ neith~ a~eo ~r di~ee. q and y~u don,t '~ t~ ~ess an opi~on ~tlt ~u ~ve ~=plet.M ~ o~n ststlstl~l lnves~i ~ i~ha~ is eo~Teet. you rant to e~tdenee to this effeet. Zt is d:J~fl-

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tho B~ttlsh onv~onmont, and ha found~ tho anm~o~ o Dooto~, is m~ question o~eo~? If notj lo~ ml Ko back and have It Feed aKa~n. Po~hape l did not mako It o~e~. MR. HA£TII~S, (Roeord reed.) WLII .l,,o= road the q~e- ~ DYERm I wLII oh jolt to tho form of tho quostlon unless the question also ineoz~po~ate8 the v~toue faotoFe t~t ~e ~olv~ In tho ~tl~ tt~l st~tos~ ~ ~t ~ust ~ttsti~l ~tom t~ ~e ass~ the fa~t t~t bo~u~ a ~n is a be~oon t~t p~n ~ 1~ ~~ w~t~ the oth~ ~eeossa~y factors bo~nK tnvol~od ~n tho study. No~, ~o ahead and ans~o~ tho best jmu Did you hea~ tho quoet~on, Dooto~? I hoard the qtsos~i.Ono I don0t thl~ T could alto any study that poaltt~oly d~Jpa~o~os a possSblo statt~teal ~olatfonshlp botwoen the tnotdonoo of' oen.ez, and mokln~. (Hookott, pp, 3~36-~38 2O