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H~y 24, 1979 Page 11 In concluding, I said to Dean Tosteso~, "|~ re~Tospect, I think we all could have done things differently. We could have approached things, with the knowledge we now have, in a much better way. That is part of a learning experience. Unfortunately, in this case, the price for these lessons has been very high." Dean Tosteson said, "Let us assume for the moment that it is finished. At least that its fiBished here or that we're going to phase it out. Yeah, and I suspect that any conversation that we mizht J~ve in the future with the C~lef ~xecutives of the industry should be. with the acceptance of that, as a pre~ise for other discussions, witi: the goal then being to have it ~nderstood that this school is not a tool of empathy for the tobacco Industryms interests, an~ so on." I told Dean Tosteson that I was not sure that the Industry executives would want to meet with him, I indicated that I would be pleassd if bstte~ und~rsta~dlng and communication were develQped, howev~ so tha~ all partles could learn better relative to ~ny future ~onsiderations here or elsewhere. Dean Tosteson said, "Sa, what a~e your pla~s? Your o~ personai plans?" I told bean Tosteson thlt, although I did not really ~nt to do so, I would remain at HarVard with this program th#ough a phase-out perlod to bring to a responslble concluslon our past endeavors. I would do that because I thought it was important to help the other investlgators In the pro~rmm salvage as much of their professlonal careers as possible, under these circ%tmstances. • I saldthat so much of my time and energy had been used up in the past year and one-half on futile endeavors, and t~at I needed an opportunity to recover. I told Dean Tostesonthat 1%~uld yery nuch like to go to Drompton Hospital, ~n L~ndon~ in order to bring m~self up to date on some new cllnlcal and applied research techniques. I said that in~)" Judgement pulmonary mediclne was now at the same crossroad~ that cardiology was whe~Cour~and first cat~erize~ a ~eart, ~ s~id we now have the fiSeroptlc bToncoscope in the pulmonary spec~altles and we can harvest from the l~ng of nan ke~ defense cells at various stages in the response of the lung to envlro~mental influences. ~ said that instead of stud~ing end stage diseases, we can quantify the very earlfest responses of the host to an en%'~ronmental agent. I told Dean Tosteso~ that f hoped the industry would give me a~ opportunity to conduct a Tese&rch program on their behalf elsewhere, although it would be somewhat different in design. I said that I, too, had learned a great deal from our experiences here, and did ~t feel that a program of this exact nat~Te would flourish ~nder any circumstances In a different university. A different kind 6f program would have a better chance Of success, hob:ever, I told him. Dea~ Tosteson and I discussed the importance of a year away'to put all Of ~hese matters in perspective, and to reestaSlish ~y research career after the additional adverse events that would Occur here in the coming yeKr,

• tr ~.lay 24, 1979 Page 12 DeB~I Toste$on said~ "~o q~estion, there's no question about how good your program was. ~at was not the issue, Your source of ~unding was, and that is un£oz, tunate." I told Dean Tosteson that, "I will pu~ sl| of that in perspective wit~ so;0e tl;~e .'* Dean Tosteson said, "Thank you for coming by and letting me know about this, Gsry, ~nd you have given me a new perspective. I will certainly discuss this further w~th Henry Neadow and Mitchel| Adams and they will be in touch with you soon on how we might structure a get together to make amends to the tobacco Industry. ~e will see how we can pick up the plecos o£ this disaster," I thanked Dean Tosteson for spending so much time with me. He said ~hst he was apFreciatlve o£ my stopping by, and discusslng these matters with him first hand. He said ~e was glad to meet me. I ~eminded him ~st we had met seve~&l years before whenwe so~ed togetheT on a joint comlttee at NIH, when he was still at Duke Unlverslty. He rocalled those meetings, and our discussions ~t that time. He said he would do his best to extend an ~olggy to the tobacco indust~7 ~or Hazard's mishsndllng of this p~ogrsm.